August 15, 2022 Show with Dr. David Ayers on “After the Revolution: Sex & the Single Evangelical”

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 15th day of August 2022 and I'm thrilled to have a first-time guest today. Dr. David Ayers is joining us today professor of sociology and former dean and interim provost at the Alva J Calderwood School of Arts and Letters at Grove City College in Pennsylvania.

Who holds a PhD in sociology from New York University and is the author of Christian marriage? experiencing social research and Investigating social problems and has taught courses on marriage and family for more than 30 years.

Today We're going to be addressing his new book after the revolution Sex and the single evangelical and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Dr. David Ayers.

Well, why don't you tell us first of all something about your role on the faculty at At the Grove City College in Pennsylvania, I happen to know that T David Gordon was at least at one point on the faculty.

I've interviewed him a number of times and I know that dr. Carl Truman still is on the faculty there. Why don't you tell us about? Your position on the faculty and what you teach there.

Sociology I teach I teach our basic class on Wow.

Wow well Now we have a tradition here whenever we have a first-time guest on the program. We have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and Any kind of providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew Them to himself and saved them.

And I'd love to hear a summary of your story.

Catholic in a divided household. My father rules in ninth grade. I basically began moving very quickly.

People call that. People called me that all the time.

It was just sex drugs and rock and while I was there again in nineteen seven grandchildren.

Well, praise God. And what led you into the the realm of academia specifically Grove City College.

Kind of like my salvation. It was a series of accidents time while I was in collar research and writing but wing even than psychology was. I transferred from the graduate program in psychology at American University to a graduate program in Sociology their sociology course in my life sure of that year that I transferred.

I was getting a full scholarship and Go at that point operating in and around the Washington DC area, you know people like the family research council right to life. People like that about becoming a car turn me down in the New York City air and or New York.

Praise God. Well, we have as our theme today. The theme of your new book after the revolution sex and the single evangelical. I want to read an excerpt from dr. Carl Truman's forward that he has written for this book a depressing read but an important one.

The best arguments for Christian morality are Sadly the ruined lives of those who ignore it. This book arms pastors and lay people alike. To face what is the most pressing issue of our day? That's quite a compelling Commendation for this book.

And obviously has added to it urgency. Tell us with the books that are already available about sexual purity sexual morality a Christian and sexuality. We could go on and on with ways to describe this.

Why is it that you said to yourself, you know, there may be good books out there. And there's a lot of bad books out there and mediocre books out there. But I think that I need to join the conversation with something of my own in print.

What was the most compelling factor of you even? Delving into this subject and writing on it.

Both at the level of the Christian colleges, you know actually seeing the young people up close and in 80s and just not that there's no differences at all, but that the Purity or there's a lot of bats.

But I didn't see was anything that really tackled the the facts the nitty-gritty research as a whole theology. Think about everything the down-to-earth honest Reformers and a pure history of Christians of Christian understanding of sex.

What the church fathers thought about it where they got it wrong. You know some of these kinds of things and to try to bring all that together Into a kind of a comprehensive picture of not only what's going on, but why it's going on and how to fix it.

That kind of avoids gimmicks make pledges and get virginity t-shirts and rings and to the normal work of the Christian Church as We've always understood it historically got in front of us right now, which is basically to be committed to what I call now.

I hope that when anyone from our audience Picks up this book and They begin to read dr. Truman's forward The first few sentence do not compel them to throw the book across the room or in the trash or in the fireplace.

But he begins with some very surprising words for a Bible believing Evangelical to read and perhaps you can explain. He says Sigmund Freud may have been wrong about many things, but concerning sexual behavior He was Indisputably, correct.

Let's hear more about that. What did he mean by that?

Well sex the human life and the human person and social desires and a therapeutic self the individual, you know. God God worry of God and it's very it's very central to what it means now.

The the actual subtitle or actually the title itself of Excuse me there the title itself after the revolution. Obviously from what you said in your own description of yourself regarding your salvation testimony.

You come from the hippie or freak movement and I'm assuming that that would involve some of what you mean by the revolution the sexual revolution. What were some of the pillar elements? of the sexual revolution that were antithetical to the scriptures rebellious against the scriptures and Was there anything that may have even been in harmony with the scriptures?

Well, I guess I have to say that many of us from my era of the baby boom era were fortunate in that a Lot of what you know that we were not just walking around, you know. Not to be a not for and they you know, we're basically being devastated by these things.

And that's in spite of things like abortion on demand and all these other things. So what we found is is that they didn't work. Personality. They live a great deal of pain and and wreckage into our lives.

Now obviously There the sexual revolution was primarily Based on rebellion against traditional understandings of sexuality that come from the scriptures. Some might even call it the Judeo-christian of sexuality.

What was there? Anything in the minds of Those that were I guess in the limelight of this revolution those who were Looked upon as experts or gurus or spokespeople. For sexuality. Was there anything that was off-limits in their minds?

Was there anything wrong that could take place within the realm of sexuality. Or was everything or anything was it anything goes. Was that really a a Consistent motto lived out and.

Proclaimed by those leading this movement come up with euphemisms of people that are minor attract these boundaries push. I think that's as long as it does. Yeah, it's true. Not only for sexuality, but yeah, I'm sure that most people.

Our age and older. Can remember the famous song do it till you're satisfied by BT Express? That basically is an anthem for that, isn't it? Right.

Many many different anthems like that. I remember to a lot of our heroes were rock stars. I think at one point these were people that we looked up to and admired we we wanted to be. Like that we dress like that.

We adopted a lot in everything. I think it was David the feeling of the first time and realizing Wow that he was destroying himself. He was trying to. I believe it was one of the members of three dogs night who ended up so So badly addicted that he lost all his pushing a shopping cart around, you know, but Wow, I did not do that.

Oh, yeah, he's rehabilitated now, and I believe he's. Didn't really feel. Also remember this is a little bit later, but Queen and Freddie Mercury. Rightly pushing the boundaries on homosexuality. And ultimately, you know dying and now and now of course, they think they've got that managed and along comes monkey pox, you know, right it's other words nobody's frontiers, but I think the disturbing thing is that I believe that that revolution hit when Christianity was becoming more of a Capital that it was increasingly being used up and had lost a lot of its real strength.

But the theology in the ground on a lot of evangelical little God people are big. Wow.

Well, we're going to our first break right now. And when we return we're going to enter into God's design for sex and marriage. If anybody has a question for David Ayers. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Our email address is Chris Orenson at gmail .com. If you have a question, give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence. Tell us about what you offer in the book in regard to God's design for sex and marriage and maybe you can include in that Afterword what in your opinion and your estimation from what you have witnessed yourself.

From what you have heard. In any matter of means whether it's counseling people or just hearing about the the prominent ways where professedly Bible believing Christians are seriously getting things wrong about this issue of.

Sexuality and what the Bible has to say about it. Gonna begin. You begin at the beginning. It's like people say well, you know, where do I get started at the beginning is in the book of John. Tell me you believe Jesus Christ.

Amen. Wow, what a great way of putting it. I I you know, I knew that doctrinally and theologically. But I never heard of put that way believe it or not. And I think that's an excellent way to put it.

Well when he was asked about divorce. And whether or not a man can divorce his wife for any you want me to do you so I want you. He said well He said you learn in the book of John and unique and very powerful ways.

Back to the exact same woman are united as one flesh to the unfaithful. Uniting marriage sex and children forms the heart human society. It's you know, you know, you don't need to be a believer to see that many unbelievers have pointed out.

That that the faithful monogamous marriage is the base as the place in which children are had and raised. It's a foundation. I also you know, another thing that I think has been less emphasized in Protestant circles.

And should be emphasized more. I talk about it in my book. Is that and I especially in my book in Christian at John Paul? But it's an icon of the trend of the Trinity is to fruitful union of three persons in one fourth life Mary making that their pulpits.

What if I'm the lady in God's will for human society? It's created by God. And so I'm gonna go after that when he said that Freud I think in all those things. People want to ask me is this covenantal union of one man and one woman who are bound to each other for life.

Anything outside right right that being a collector of rocks when I was a kid I know exactly what you're talking about. You had to crack that baby open inside that plane to my wife. In other words, it's easy pickings in terms of human desires.

Also, we have to do it in the matter of gender.

Well, we have a few Questions from listeners, we'll get to one of them before our midway break because we have to go to our midway break momentarily but we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who asks. One of the accusations routinely hurled at evangelicals and perhaps you could include in that any conservative religious person by the leftists is That we do not believe in enjoying sex and sexuality.

We hate sex, but the thing I find absolutely ridiculous about this charge is that Christians and conservative members of other religions Tend to have much larger families which reveals they are likely having a healthy sex life.

How do you respond to this. What I believe is an absurd accusation by liberals.

Well, first of all, I mean it was kind of not this is the up in medieval ages creational thing is almost a right as. Kind of withholding sex from people that aren't married or maybe aren't able to get married until they're older is somehow cruel.

But the other thing is people with an old idea and applying and in fact the Catholics During the time of the Puritans accused them of being sexual hedonist that doesn't really have a lot of validity.

We have an anonymous listener who seems to be pushing back on my statement. The anonymous listener Says lots of children is prima facie evidence of a healthy sex life. Well, obviously. It's an evidence of a frequent sex life within the confines of marriage but I didn't mean to imply that.

Every single person that has a lot of children is necessarily having a mutually enjoyable sex life. You might have husbands that are Not seeking to please Their wives and not even concerned with that.

But do you want to respond to our anonymous listener? I mean was I off base in the way I phrased that.

I wouldn't say you're off base and I phrase it but it's certainly not the only evidence we have the. We have lots of great. We have to go to our midway break. They just remember where you left off there.

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