Conversation: Mormon On The Streets of Salt Lake

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It's okay. We won't bite. Elder Hare? We care about you. Where are you from? South Jordan. Where? South Jordan.

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Oh, you didn't even have to go far. You're a missionary in your own hometown. Yeah. That's sweet. So, when did you go on your mission?

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When did you start your mission? I started in May last year. Oh, okay.

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So you're a little over a year into it. Give or take. Yeah. Well, just so you know, we're

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Christians. We care for you deeply. And, you know, you teach the

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First Vision account in one of your lessons. That all of our creeds are an abomination. All the professors, that would be he and I, are corrupt.

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And so we're here because we care for you. And we want you to know that, you know, when Joseph Smith had this revelation, the

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Word of God was present and there already. And our concern is not over the little incidental things like coffee and tea.

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I actually, I want you to know, I love your community so much.

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And I think you guys build some of the most amazing communities. And I truly treasure your community. But the differences,

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I mean, are serious. Because the Bible says there's only one God. None before, none after. But you believe that you're going to become a

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God one day. We believe that we can become like God. Well, but Joseph Smith said in the

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King Follett Discourse that you've got to learn to become gods the same way all gods have done before you. Right?

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Isn't that goal exaltation? Yeah. And so, well, our concern for you,

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Elder Herr, is that the Bible says, Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I am the first and I am the last.

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Besides me there is no God. So when Joseph came with his revelation, the Word of God had already said there's only one eternal

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God. He's always existed. He's uncreated. And there's none before him and none after him.

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And he doesn't even know of any other gods. Joseph says there's a council of gods. I don't know that much to say.

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Well, that's why we're here, because we care for you. We don't want to beat you up. We don't want you to feel bad. We love you. And we believe that Joseph Smith taught a false

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Christ. You believe that Joseph Smith's, oh, sorry. You believe that Jesus is

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Lucifer's brother. Elohim created Lucifer, Jesus, and us as spirit children in the pre -existence with one of his goddess wives.

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And the goal ultimately is to become a god like him. And that's a different Christ.

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Right? So like Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. He didn't die on the cross for sins.

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But like you and I, they still say the name Jesus. They still say they believe in Jesus. But you and I both would join hands and say that's not

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Jesus. What they say about him, right? It's a false one. And that's what we want you to know,

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Elder. We want you to know that the Bible says that Jesus Christ is uncreated. He's always existed.

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And that he created Satan. John chapter 1, Colossians chapter 1, says that Jesus created

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Satan. But your church teaches that Jesus is a created being. And that he's

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Lucifer's brother. Well, when put that way, it sounds a lot more far -fetched. I mean, we believe that we're all

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God's children. And when you put Jesus and Satan in the same family, it doesn't seem that weird, does it?

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Well, except the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the eternal God. But what about God?

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He's our Father, right? Right. The Bible teaches there's one being of God. None before, none after.

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And yet it says the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Ah, when they say they're one?

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Three persons, one eternal being. Right? So we don't believe Jesus is the Father. But John chapter 1 says he existed in eternal fellowship with the

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Father from all eternity. So Jesus never came into existence. According to Scripture, he always existed with the

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Father from all eternity. John chapter 1 says that. But Joseph taught that Elohim was once a man like you.

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That he sinned and went through exaltation to become a God of his own planet. And he has many wives.

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And he produced you and I and Jesus and Lucifer as spirit children in the pre -existence. That's a different God.

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We would say it's a false God. And if you and I, listen, if somebody named this post

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Jesus Christ and started worshiping, saying, come worship Jesus with me, you'd probably be like, hey bro.

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Like, no, right? But it's the same thing. If you put a name over an idol, a false

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God, and say it's Jesus, it will not save you. Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

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No man comes to the Father but by me. That's the first thing. The second thing is the Gospel. You believe, tell me if I'm wrong, that we're saved by grace?

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After all we can do. Well, because it's...

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Grace and works. Well, we'll keep going.

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So, I want to just point you to this. Not just like on the spot, let's try to get an answer. But later, go read

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Romans 1 -5. Just five chapters. Romans 1 -5.

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And John 1, to talk about who Jesus is. But Romans 1 -5. I'm so sorry, we have to go for that meeting.

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The missionary meeting. Oh. Oh, really? Okay, this is one thing I wanted to share with you before they take you.

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Because they're taking you away from us, and we understand that you're told not to talk to us. But if you really know that you have the truth, it should hold up under any type of scrutiny.

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You don't have to rescue him from us because we might be telling him something. You guys are on your mission? We actually have a missionary meeting.

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You're missionaries? Here is a community to be a missionary to. We actually have to go.

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But, hey, brother, before you go, that's what I want you to do. It's okay to test to see whether or not what you believe is true.

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But don't test it based upon your feelings. Test it based upon Scripture. And when people are trying to pull you away from information, and it can't be falsifiable...