Update on Dobbs and a Historic Day in Louisiana

Come on.

Non-rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it.

Are you going to bark all day, little doggy? Or are you going to bite?

We're being delusional.

Delusional is okay in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay.

It doesn't really hurt.

It's hung up on me. Yes!

What?

What?

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Don't go into the world and make homies. Disciples.

I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

When we have the real message of truth we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

The Proverbs of Wisdom and the Call to Make Disciples

And now, O sons, listen to me. Blessed are those who keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise and do not neglect it. Blessed is the one who listens to me, watching daily at my gates, waiting beside my doors.

Whoever finds me finds life and obtains favor from the Lord. He who fails to find me enters himself. All who hate me love death. Oh, I almost nailed it. Oh, there's Jeff. Sorry. Sorry. Doing too many things at once.

I was so close on that one.

I know. I think maybe.

That is creating a problem. It is creating a problem for me. So, today I am wearing my AR500 shooting glasses and they have that, I can't think of what it's called, they have that special coating on them, you know, where you can use it for fishing and stuff.

You guys know what I'm talking about?

All I can think of when I look at you is Cyclops.

So, Cyclops. Cyclops.

You can use them for fishing, meaning they have an extra protective for the glare off the water.

Yeah, but I can't think of what it's called.

My brain's not working right now.

Anyways, they have that, but it makes it really hard to look at screens because it does this weird mirrored thing with it and that's what's happening right now with my computer screen.

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Yeah, these are my AR500 shooting glasses.

I thought you were just like stunning shades.

Inside or something.

These studio lights are bright.

Polarized, that's the word I was looking for. Yeah, they're polarized and they're really great for shooting, I love them, but they're making it really hard to see what's happening inside right now.

Great for shooting and fishing, not great for sitting at.

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I'm going to take them off because, oh look, I was going to tell you they have this sweet little carry case too with a zipper and everything and I'm going to put them in there right now so I can see.

The issue is that they're liberty focused, but you're looking at Facebook on your.

IPad and so it gets blurry. Not very.

Liberating. Speaking of trying to read notes and things in this tablet specifically when it's bright out, that rally though, it was hot and bright. I had my sunglasses on, could not see my notes and it was so bright and there was a couple times where I was like what is that?

And I think I even accidentally clicked like a box opened up but I couldn't tell what it was and I was just like well hopefully this goes away.

My iPad ended up dying on my last.

Sentence. Are you serious?

Praise the Lord.

God's timing right there. Speaking of God's timing, it's been a lot of that going.

On this week. Yeah, for sure. Super providential. Yeah, we're going to get into.

That in a second. So it's been a very exciting week. We've had a bunch of special broadcasts. We had a very historic day yesterday that we're very excited about that I almost crashed while I was driving because I was so excited.

True story. We're going to talk about that in a minute, but first I'd like to welcome... Pastor Jeff, by the way, took a couple days off because he's been in Louisiana, I feel like, for three straight months.

Yeah. We got the old Ballywin over here.

On my right. What's up everyone?

Half of him because his beard is gone.

Well when you said my iPad died on my last sentence I'm like, we all know.

We all know.

How long did you go? You did.

A pretty... Just under 20 minutes.

Only joking. Yeah, that's not bad. I don't know what Jeff wants. Just kidding.

A little bit longer.

I literally, like you probably saw me, the moment I was done, I beelined it off the steps and went directly to the shade and started to strip off some layers because my shirt was literally wet.

Oh, were you guys in full.

Professional? We were in direct sunlight.

I had long sleeves and a tie on. I had a jacket.

That I brought. That makes it quite a bit harder.

I was like, it's not happening. Not happening. So my shirt was literally just wet. But Brian, who I guess we'll be on in a second, he's probably laughing at us because he had on a polo and was like.

Suckers. Yeah, you're gonna have to get some humidity tips. I mean, you're from the...

I don't like it.

That's for sure. Pastor Brian was like,.

Just because I mean business doesn't mean my attire is business.

It was moist but we were like directly into the sun the whole time and there was like no cloud cover and the breeze would hit every once in a while which was.

Kind of nice. But almost just kind of like in a teasing way. Wouldn't this be nice if there was.

More breeze? I will.

Say the talks.

Match the atmosphere. That's for sure.

They were fire. There you go.

From all the speakers. So I also have.

Joy the lady mama on my left.

I know at some point somebody was like I don't like that you call her.

The girl.

But I am a girl. You are.

I'm proud of it. I'll go ahead and bring in... I'm excited man. This has been just a cool week. I'm over the moon right now. So I'll go ahead and bring in my good friend Brian Gunner. No T.

Gunter.

Come on, get it right. But yeah, but they were saying Gunner and they were like Brian Gunner. And I was like what happened to the T? You say it.

With a T. Yeah, I.

Say it correctly. Okay, that's good. No one else was calling you Brian Gunter.

I do call you Gunner. Louisiana.

I noticed that... Go ahead. Maybe it's because I was bringing the heat, you know. I was fully armed and ready to go. So they just called me Brian Gunner.

Oh, that's good. I like that. I noticed that in Louisiana, you say Louisiana. So we had a whole discussion about this. You say Louisiana.

Louisiana. But.

Half the people there say Louisiana. So there's even a debate in your own state how you say the name. Not here. No one's like calls it something other than Arizona here. Look, there's.

64 parishes in Louisiana and I think each one has its own distinct dialect.

Man. I noticed.

You guys, you leave out a lot of letters though. And words like.

Gunner.

Or Ole. Like we got Ole spill. I was like what happened to the I?

I also feel like sometimes people from the south leave out spaces. That's what my husband does. Like he just takes like five words and makes it all one word. Oh really? You got an example of that? I don't.

Experts of abbreviation.

It's efficient. As long as you are from there and you know what they're.

Saying. Economy of words for those familiar with the message.

We're spending all this time on fully enunciating everything.

We're not even getting into the important things here. Let's do it. So Darren is talking trash about your face. Hi Darren. Love you bro.

So.

Let's be serious here. I can't say enough how excited I am right now. As you can tell I can't even talk. So we had the rally in Baton Rouge.

On.

Saturday which I learned that they call it Baton Rouge and not Baton Rouge which you would think that's what they call it but they don't. So it went really well. Had a decent turnout other than being really hot and I was very excited.

So we had the bill, Dana McCormick's bill just got put into committee and so that was Saturday and then Monday right or Tuesday was the SCOTUS leak.

That will be Tuesday I believe or Monday night I think. It was late. Yeah it was late Monday night it came down the pipe.

So if you guys happen to be living under a rock and miss that there was a leak from the Dobbs case in Mississippi which literally has never happened before.

In the history of the Supreme Court. Unprecedented.

So it clearly was intentional. You know they're saying that Sotomayor's assistant.

Leaked it.

And basically the point was it showing that it looks like the SCOTUS is actually going to overturn Roe v. Wade which would be phenomenal, put us back to the states where it should be which we didn't really think they might actually do.

So if it goes that way because it's not final it's probably going to be another month or two before we know for sure.

June I believe. Yeah.

So they obviously were trying to create a firestorm. We already saw today just now before we went live Chuck Schumer saying that they're going to try to codify Roe into law before then. So it's kind of a big deal.

It was a big leak. But at the same time we're like oh my goodness praise the Lord because the timing of this is perfect and I'm going to let you get into that Brian but because yesterday we had our hearing in the committee for HB 13 in Louisiana which got passed out of committee that's historic if you're watching that has not happened in any other state of all the work we've been doing and those before us have been doing like that's not happened except for Texas where they did that because of a loophole not because it was legitimately voted out of committee.

And not only did it get voted out of committee but like it wasn't.

Even close. 7 -2.

And did I see that there was like two people that didn't even vote maybe?

Pastor Brian would know better.

So I'll let him speak to that. So anyways I literally was like driving listening to the vote and it passed 7 -2 and I was so excited I was like screaming and yelling and almost crashed my truck. So that's what's happened this week.

It's amazing. This is what we've been asking God for. This is like one of the biggest things ever for Apologia in our ministry and Action for Life and End Abortion Now. So.

All that to say. For the abolitionist movement.

In general. Exactly right.

All the work that's been, all the foundations that have been laid by others before us. I mean this is just something we're trying to build on.

I'm sure Rusty cried a lot yesterday.

I think we all shed a tear and it's historic in the sense of it's humbling to see the fruit of faithful consistent Christian witness in this area and the proclamation of the gospel in the area of protecting preborn children.

I remember we started out just going to the mills then we took it to city council and now we're getting to take this message to the state level and to see the progression of the arenas that the Lord has allowed us to speak the gospel into.

It's super humbling to be a part of and thankful that we get to do it at the state level with men like we have on today in the show who are just bulldogs honestly when it comes to getting it done. That's what we needed and it's truly great to be a part of.

Yes. Somebody said that Representative Marcel walked out before the hearing and didn't return so there were, I think I heard two names where they called their name and it was like silent. Yeah. But whatever that's fine.

Before we get into Louisiana specifically I know you did the show with Bradley on, I think it was Tuesday right? It was like an emergency or was it Wednesday? I don't know it doesn't matter.

It was Tuesday. He was flying out.

He was flying out to Louisiana.

So you want to talk about that for a minute and just the importance of that if anything that I missed and then I'm going to bring Brian in to talk about how that ties into what's going on.

Yeah, not to wax too long on it if you want to see the interview it's up right now on our YouTube channel but Bradley Pierce constitutional attorney we've had him on before he was just discussing really the implications of this for Christians in particular at the state level and what this means, what the possibility of Roe versus Wade means and we of course came to a place where we're always calling us back to the reality that overturning Roe is never something that we needed to wait for at the state level in order to abolish abortion.

The states have had the duty and the moral obligation to do it since the beginning. Every state is the one that is charged with protecting its own citizens whether born or pre-born. Now with equal protection gaining a wider public audience and hearing I think people are really starting to understand this now.

Really we're just demanding consistency when it comes to the protection of innocent human life. We want the same protections applied to the pre-born that everybody else enjoys. If you want to know what the position is legislatively what we're advocating for that's it.

And Bradley of course does a great job of explaining that, talking about what is the basis for this? It's scripture. Of course it's based on the constitution, the 14th amendment says that no state shall deprive any of its persons the right to life, central to the founding of our nation, central to the rights inherent to every human being that are inalienable, right?

This is not something that government can grant. It's something that we're supposed to recognize and protect. And then of course the biblical basis. What does Christ say? Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

This is the greatest commandment. We're not to show partiality. We're not to demonstrate unjust weights and measures. We're not to acquit the guilty and punish the innocent. All of these things, fulfilling the royal law of scripture, fulfilling the golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto you, that's what we're saying needs to happen for the pre-born in the womb.

We need to treat them with the same protections that we want to be treated with. And so that's the basis of HB 813, House Bill 813, that's in Louisiana right now, but all of the hoopla is going on over apart from the Dobbs leak.

Really where it landed with Brad, though, is that we need to be as focused if not more focused and motivated than ever because of these circumstances. We have an advantage at the state level to call on our legislators to end and criminalize and abolish abortion as never before.

Because this if you don't know this was really the excuse that a lot of pro-life legislators and pro-life lobbyists used to say, we can't do it because we gotta wait to see what the Supreme Court's gonna say and we're pointing to it saying, look look at what they're saying right now.

You never needed to wait to begin with, but look they are likely going to overturn it and so we're not waiting for that even. It's great that, you know, Samuel Alito, the justice that rendered the draft and the opinion is coming out and saying things like Roe is not the law of the land.

We've been saying that forever and praise God it went before the courts in the amicus brief that Bradley helped file, but to hear things like that now to hear it disseminated from such a large entity that people look to as the higher voice the higher power, the entity that we need to wait on, the institution that we need to wait on before we can do anything to hear that, be consistent with our message all we need to do is just keep our feet to the gas pedal and say keep pushing, keep putting the righteous kind of political pressure on these state legislatures that we need to end abortion and that's what we're trying to do in Louisiana.

Amen.

Speaking of the amicus brief so if you guys don't know what that is, it's a fancy legal term Bradley, we were supposed to have our friend Bradley Pierce I know Zach mentioned, I think he got caught in an emergency, but he wrote the amicus brief, we were part of that with him with an abortion in action for life and there's like 20 different groups behind that but basically what it was saying was it was calling on the supreme court justice to do what's right before God, to overturn Roe and you know all that.

Right, do their duty basically. So I was thinking about that, I was like man when this all comes out, if like they mention the amicus brief as part of their decision.

It'd be just. Yeah, who knows.

But the way that they're talking is the way that we've been talking.

So I'm just saying. Very encouraging.

So before I get to Brian here, excuse me, I've got a frog in my throat.

Ribbit. Ribbit, ribbit.

Did you eat frogs.

In Louisiana? I did not. I did not. I can't, I don't know I know people love frog legs but I like frogs, I don't know but I don't know anyways. I did have gator. Okay. I did that, we talked about that.

Gator's good if it's cooked right but if it's not it's really greasy and it's gross. I.

Would imagine it's a little like swampy. No actually it's.

Pretty, I mean it does taste a lot like chicken. It's pretty you know, minimal in flavor but yeah I've had it where it's just really greasy and like it's just not good but if it's like cooked nice like a piece of chicken, like a chicken nugget or whatever.

But you're good on frog.

You're good on frog. I can't, I don't know.

I don't know. It's a mind over matter thing for me.

The Dobbs Leak, the Louisiana Abolition Bill, and the Fight for Equal Protection

Alright, let's rope.

Pastor Brian in here. I want to hear from this man.

Sorry, before I get to that I want to go hard for a second. Can we go hard on the paint? As soon as the leak for the SCOTUSDADOBS thing went out it was like you start seeing all these Republican governors all over like Oh, if this goes through we can finally, you know do the right thing and it's like At that point I'm wanting to like punch a hole in the wall and I'm going to mention Kathy Harroder.

President from the Center for Environmental Policy.

Yeah, I mean she immediately put out a video and I know we've had some people of ours going hard at her but she was like, no it's enforceable and I was like, no it was enforceable before you just chose not to do it and here's what people need to understand.

This is what we've been saying for a long time. I think people think we're crazy when we say it. If this goes the way we want it to go with the DOBS case and right now in Arizona it is against the law to have an abortion but they're not enforcing it.

It is enforceable they're just not because they're afraid of the federal beast but that is and it was illegal for the abortionists and the mother. But thanks to Kathy Harrod and Cap this year, or was it last year?

This past year. Yeah.

They went and decriminalized it for the mother.

So they rejected our bill House Bill 2650 which was the Equal Protection Bill in Arizona that would have protected all pre-born children from death by abortion. They rejected that they actually went to legislators that were co-sponsors and convinced them to not sign on to the bill and then in exchange they removed the statute from the books that criminalized the mother and so Kathy Harrod decriminalized abortion in Arizona and instead instituted a piecemeal half measure related to genetic abnormalities and then of course they just passed the 15 week ban in exchange when they could have ended an abolished abortion altogether.

Right.

So if this goes the way we hope it goes the DOBS case, they strike down Roe v. Wade, then now in Arizona, it will be illegal for the doctor, for the murderer, but the mother is not. She can now abort her child with no consequences because of the laws that they put into place.

Which is just infuriating and like, that's what we've been saying would happen and it's gonna happen not just in Arizona, there's gonna be states all over the place that have similar laws. I mean, I would say all conservative states probably have similar laws of war, that's gonna be the case stuff like that.

So it will be legal to some degree because of the laws that the pro-life industry has put into place. Now, Louisiana is a little bit different because there is a trigger law there which Brian is very familiar with.

So Brian, I want to turn it over to you turn it here over to you. First, tell everyone why this DOBS leak was so critical for what happened yesterday in Louisiana.

Why the Dobbs Leak Mattered for Louisiana

Yeah, that's great. You know, when we heard on Monday night that the U .S. Supreme Court majority opinion draft had been leaked that the justices were going to overturn Roe and fully send the decision of whether to regulate or totally prohibit abortion back to the states.

I mean, this was the best news we had have had in half a century concerning the U .S. Supreme Court on abortion. Now, of course, states should have never complied with Roe. The reality is that the U .S. Supreme Court is not above the Constitution.

And certainly is not above the Lord Jesus Christ. And as I said in my speech at the rally, the U .S. Supreme Court is not the highest court. The highest court is in heaven, and there is one judge there, and he's not up for re-election.

He doesn't need our... He doesn't care what the opinion polls say. He doesn't need our agreement. King Jesus rules from on high, and he says that children are created in the image of God, and we have to rescue those who are being taken away to death and hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

So the reason that the U .S. Supreme Court draft being leaked, which said, we've been wrong for half a century, and we're preparing to make that right. The reason that was so important was because the pro-life movement in Louisiana had largely been trying to ignore HB 813.

Our bill says that we are going to criminalize abortion. Totally ban it. No exceptions, no compromises, no waiting. Children in the womb will have the exact same legal protections as all other persons in the state of Louisiana.

There is no difference in the personhood of the child inside the womb or outside the womb. Life begins at conception, and we are going to protect their lives by law from conception. And so when this decision leaked, suddenly, it comes out that, oh my goodness, the U .S. Supreme Court agrees with us.

The U .S. Supreme Court agrees with us that states have the right to totally prohibit and abolish abortion. And so, Luke, what basically happened was is this threw gas on the fire of the abolition movement in Louisiana.

We had our rally on Saturday, and then on Monday night, news came out, and I'm telling you, I have had friends who were on the fence on whether or not to join on to the abolitionist movement who, when they saw this leak, they realized the historic moment, and now they're getting on board and supporting abolition.

This could have never happened in the Louisiana legislature before this year. I know many of the legislators, and this really would not have passed in previous years. This is a providential moment that God has ordained for us to finally put an end to the murder of children in this.

State. Amen. And so, I think what's important to mention is we had the rally on Saturday. So, between Saturday and Monday night, you had a number of legislators or pro-life lobbyists who were telling you like, well, we're going to wait until after the Dobbs case to vote on this, right?

Well, not just over the weekend. I mean, for the past few months. Yeah.

Yeah.

I worked in the pro-life industry for five years in a staff position for the past five years in Louisiana. I tried to reform our state's largest pro-life organization toward abolition from the inside, and they just didn't want to do that.

And so, I let them know I have a difference of conviction here. I believe that we need to move to totally ban abortion and criminalize it, just as all other murder.

And.

I'm convinced that I can no longer be a part of an effort that doesn't do just that, because I believe it is compromise before God, and I'm going to stand before Jesus one day, and I'm not willing to be guilty of that sin.

And so, I told them my conviction and finished up the responsibilities I had in that capacity and left that position earlier this year. And we filed Danny's bill in the state legislature, and the rest has been the providence of God ever since.

I was told there's absolutely no chance this bill will pass. It wouldn't pass the legislature. It wouldn't even pass a committee. There's no chance. There's probably not a single legislator that would vote for it.

Well, yesterday, we found out that wasn't true. So, the reality is,.

God.

Has intervened supernaturally. I mean, it's all a providence. The reality is that might have been right a year ago, but that's not the truth today. You know, I have been one of the key leaders in the pro-life movement in Louisiana over the past eight years.

By God's grace, He's given me the opportunity to do a lot of work in this area.

And.

I'd say about four or five years ago, God began to just change my heart that we need to move toward total abolition. And the more that I dwelled upon these things, the more that I considered these things and searched the Scriptures and prayed, the more convicted I became to the point where I had to make a break.

Courage, Conscience, and Calling Out Compromise

Well, one thing that I appreciate about Brian is you're pretty chill. We've got to spend some time together. You're pretty easygoing. But this man steps behind the pulpit and he's straight like the Apostle.

He's straight, hardcore, old-school Baptist. And I love it. If you guys didn't see, we had the In Abortion Now Day there at your church in Pollock in December. We put up your sermon. And I'll be honest with you, I don't think I've told you this.

That was one of the best stinking pro-life sermons I've ever heard in my life. It was fire. Saturday at the rally, you were up right before me and you were just going to town. It was just fire. You were just burning the place down.

You might see me when we put it up lean over to Lautenschlager and I'm like, I've got to follow this guy. I don't know how I'm going to follow this guy. So, thank you whoever, I think it was probably you, whoever put me behind Brian.

Thank you for that. But, I appreciate it because you got everybody fired up. So, maybe by the time they got to me, they were already fired up. You can't do everything right. I know.

I think the energy in the crowd kind of hit a lull right after I finished speaking. I don't know what happened.

Probably. They're probably like, who's that big dude melting on stage right now?

I had to go up after you and the microphone was like...

Well, that mic kept like falling down because I had to put it up.

You had to tape that bad boy.

I had to put it up and it was like...

It was also melting.

Yeah, and if I could point out something about that, guys, one of the things we have to do in this fight is we have to be willing to call out the politicians who tell their voters that they're pro-life and then are inconsistent.

And, in that speech I called out a so-called pro-life state representative, Gregory Miller because he said he was pro-life, that he was going to work to end abortion in the state. And we had a different bill, the five row, and he would not schedule it for a hearing.

I called him out in the speech the minute or so where I was calling out state representative Gregory Miller. I said that if he doesn't immediately schedule our bill for a hearing because he's the chairman of the committee that has the bill and he has the power to schedule it or not schedule it, I said if you don't immediately schedule it then you need to tell your constituents that you lied to them that you're not pro-life and you're protecting abortion in this state.

And, wouldn't you know it, he just scheduled the bill for a hearing.

That's how it works.

I'm sorry that that's what it took, but praise the Lord.

Yeah, that's how it works, man. Okay, so going to yesterday then, we had a ridiculous turnout, which was awesome. Unfortunately, we weren't able to be there because we had just got back, but you said we had about a hundred people I think there from, I don't know if it was just from Louisiana or from all over.

I know like Lautenschlager and Bradley were there. They flew in for it, but we had so many supporters there for this bill that there was standing room only. They had to open up the overflow. It was like a Sunday service, for apology.

And.

It was amazing. It was so encouraging to see. So, anything you want to say to that?

Bro, I got to the Capitol that morning and so I'm walking in and I'm talking to some different legislators that I know and different things and I go down. We're in the very bottom floor of the Capitol where committee room six is where the hearing's taking place.

And so I get to the hall where the committee room is and those halls are usually pretty empty. And I get in there and there's people just stacked in this hallway. I mean, it's like shoulder to shoulder.