- 00:00
- of it if I can and to answer that question first so we go back to what Tyler was saying and he was talking about we're not going to have a we're not going to have perfection until glory and until that until the end comes however and Claude is going to be speaking on this at the laborers conference
- 00:17
- Psalm 110 Jesus is going to be defeating all his enemies until the last enemy which is death so that's a that's a projection that's sanctification that's going in a certain direction and so if we're if we're growing in Christ then we're going to be growing in a direction where Christ is going to be ruling the nation is going to be flowing to him and so the more
- 00:43
- Christians there are the more we're going to honor in Christ the more we're going to have theonomy and so that's why it's an important subject to be talking about is what is what is it going to look like how do we apply it how do we apply it correctly if we're if we're going in that direction and you were asking about the circles that I run in or listening to I don't want to speak for any of them
- 01:05
- I just want to speak for how I'm understanding the subject and so that's that's where I'm coming from how
- 01:11
- I'm understanding the subject so that's what I would say first on that and I think
- 01:17
- I think you're hitting Jonathan a lot of where the rub is from the application on a horizontal level and that's where a lot of the conflict and rub comes in.
- 01:25
- How do we do that? What does it look like? Is it coercion? Is it forced compulsion? and so I think if we go back to the question that I was asking a few minutes ago
- 01:37
- Christians believe in religious liberty you know that's that's where we are in America that's where we were founded it's a it's a
- 01:46
- Christian doctrine I believe that religious liberty and I believe that the law and it's only
- 01:51
- God's law will lead us to Christian liberty and it also and I think if we try to answer that question
- 01:58
- I think it will put it will ease the pressure of the objections that you were bringing up Jonathan.
- 02:04
- Why do we believe in religious liberty and how does the law of God lead us to religious liberty and and to bring in where Big John was taking us with the 1950s in my perspective and I could be wrong on this but in my perspective and I do you know here have felt that sentiment what if it was like it was back then of course we don't know how it really was because we didn't live then but it may have been a lot different than our perspective on it but the perspective is you know everything was so much more church -centered and the laws were more
- 02:47
- Christ -centered you know we have that mindset that everything was more what's that leave it to Cleaver or leave it to Beaver we have that mindset about the 1950s that everything was just hunky -dory however it was church -centered instead of Christ -centered it was moral centered instead of gospel centered from from my understanding so I wouldn't want us to go back there
- 03:17
- I want us I want us to leave that slippery slope that America has got into and get back on the gospel train and head back in the gospel direction and so we were in our discussion in the debate or not the debate but our chat room that we have we were talking about the three uses of the law and what is that first use of the law it's it's a mirror it's it's to show us our sin it's to it's a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ so if we are looking first and foremost at the law in that light then we we are no longer showing partiality we we are loving one another when we don't show partiality there's no more racism and that you know and it just it keeps going and going when when we live in light of the gospel because of we can see then our sinfulness we are gracious then towards one another so I am living in light of the law of God because I am being graceful to someone else and I think one of the goals of of theonomy and I made this as a post would be to get back to the simple few roles that the
- 04:47
- Bible does give the government and you guys brought up some of those which was to to wield the sword and then the other ones were or are to reward the righteous and to punish the wicked and and that's very what we like to say limiting government and we need to get back to a limited government but then we need to re -centralize we need to decentralize government have a limited government and re -centralized
- 05:20
- Christ and so that goes back into this this sphere sovereignty topic that we talked about we want to we want to honor
- 05:30
- Christ and his law above all in my own life in my family in my church and then it would just begin to spread into the other spheres of sovereignty into the community local community into the government and once it begins to grow like a tree the top level becomes smaller in their reach and their authority and their influence and we begin to have the rightful influence that we should be having all along and I think that's where we've fallen short as a church is that we we are not honoring
- 06:12
- Christ locally at its smallest level and being that influence because we see where the government is now our government that is of the people by the people for the people know they're for themselves because we we've not honored
- 06:29
- Christ here and so I think that's why the theonomy issue is such a good and topic to talk about is because if we're going if Christ is taking us in that direction and he's drawing all men to himself then government should be heading in that direction as well where eventually you honor
