March 23, 2023 Show with Gary George on “Is the Church Israel Today?”

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March 2023.

I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest who is also a very

dear friend of mine going back to the early 1990s.

His name is Gary George.

Perhaps some of you remember that we just recently conducted an

interview about a week or so ago on iron sharpens iron radio with Gary

George.

We discussed the Jesus Revolution movie, and that was actually on March

9th that we conducted that interview.

And today we have an entirely different subject that is no doubt going to

be very controversial.

In fact, it may even get some of my listeners angry if they happen to be

especially within the realm of dispensationalism or the Messianic Jewish movement.

But we are going to be addressing the question, is the church Israel today?

And Gary George, my guest to discuss this, is a conference speaker and pastor of Sovereign Grace Chapel of Southbridge,

Massachusetts.

And we're also going to be announcing the 2023 John Bunyan Conference in Franklin, Tennessee.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio, Pastor Gary George.

Hello, Chris.

Can you hear me?

Okay.

I hear you.

I hear you perfectly well.

All right, good.

Glad to be on with you again, brother.

You're always a joy.

And so are you, brother.

And for the sake of our listeners who have not yet heard you on this program, tell them about Sovereign Grace Chapel

of Southbridge, Massachusetts.

Yeah, well, we started in 1991.

It was planted by a Reformed Baptist pastor.

They had some rough goings about a year into it, and that's when I kind of came into the picture.

I was friendly with a number of members of the church at that time, and since that time I've been the

pastor.

We changed our name in 2000 to Sovereign Grace Chapel and have been that ever since.

And we are a Doctrines of Grace Church.

We hold the plural eldership and the basic tenets of the Reformed faith, all the doctrines of grace, etc,

etc, and we praise the Lord.

Well, if anybody wants more details on this church in Southbridge, Massachusetts, Sovereign Grace

Chapel, go to SovereignGraceMA .org.

SovereignGraceMA for Massachusetts .org.

Well, Gary, there are a few subjects that are more controversial than the one we

are going to discuss today, especially within conservative

Evangelical Christianity, because there are stark differences

amongst brothers in Christ among us that

have polar opposite views on the answer to this question.

And also, unfortunately, what comes with that very often is,

and I'm not saying that this is always the case, but very often there is more heat

than light that begins to erupt when you have a difference of opinion on this issue.

Folks like you and I have been called, not that we have been called

personally this, but the view that we hold to has been identified by some as

anti -semitic.

It has been confused

with the ideas of Anglo -Israelism, perhaps,

where the Jewish people are wrongly being understood

as being replaced by Gentiles.

Things like that seem to add a lot to the confusion and

perhaps you and I will even have our own differences of opinion as this program

develops.

I know that you and I do have some differences of opinion on matters that

that those among us in the Calvinistic and Reform Baptist movement,

some would say our differences are monumental, and I don't believe that they are monumental.

I believe that they may, as important as some of those differences may be, I don't think that they are

monumental differences.

But is the church Israel today?

You might as well start off the program by answering that question.

All right.

Well, there's a lot to say about that particular topic.

Maybe I could start off by saying this.

On one occasion, I was doing evangelism in the city that I grew up in here in Worcester, Massachusetts, and handing

out Christian literature, and one woman was sort of repulsed by receiving it, and she said, well,

I'm Jewish.

I'm Jewish.

I don't accept Christianity.

And I said, oh, really?

I said, so am I, and she looked at me strangely because I was blonde -haired and green -eyed and didn't

have the features of a Jewish person, and I said, yes.

I said, I'm an offspring of Abraham's.

I said, the difference probably between you and I is that you're a natural offspring of Abraham's, and I'm a spiritual

offspring of Abraham's.

But the scripture says that Abraham would become a father of many nations.

That was a promise that was made to him back in Genesis chapter 12.

I began to explain that to her, and of course, because she had no biblical understanding of these things, it

obviously was a dud, but I can use that to say that that's why there is a connection

between modern -day believers, post -resurrection believers, I could say,

and Judaism or Jews of the past.

We know that there's a continuity, and there has to be a relationship of some sort, at least,

between Old Testament Israel and the New Testament Church.

So to try to answer the question, is the church Israel?

Well, I think we could probably start with maybe, first of all, I already did mention that Abraham was given the promise that he would

become a father of many nations.

The book of Galatians tells us that the gospel which was preached unto Abraham afford that he would

become the father of many nations.

So it was a latent truth that a time would come when

Abraham would become a father, not of just ethnic descendants of his Jewish people, but

rather it would be broader than that.

It would be inclusive of the Gentile world.

So when John the Baptist comes on the scene, as we know, he's the forerunner of Jesus, he says right at the

outset, the ax is laid to the root.

What does he mean by that?

Well, when he was calling people to repentance and for them to come to the baptism to be

baptized, a baptism of repentance, there are many that came that sought to be baptized

by him, and he says to them, don't think in yourselves that because you're

descendants of Abraham that you have rights to be baptized.

He says rather bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

So right there, there's a discriminating between Jews and Jews,

those that had repented and those that had believed not.

And we know clearly from the Old Testament that there were those that Nicodemus should have known, that being a

master or a teacher in Israel, that the teaching of the new birth was something

factual in the Old Testament.

And we know that not all Israelites were born again, but yet they were part of the Old Testament covenant.

But now a new day has arrived with John the Baptist, who's about to introduce Jesus himself, is

saying that the ax is laid to the root, and only those that can bring forth fruit, and we know that that fruit is something that's

generated by the Holy Spirit in the heart of a man, to really create true repentance and faith

in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

So what happens then at that point, Jesus begins to, he comes on the

scene, like John, he uses the same word, repent, and the same expression, the kingdom of God

is at hand.

So the fact that Israelites had to repent is an indication right there that Israel

was not in full spiritual relationship with the Lord.

In Matthew chapter 10, when Jesus sends out the disciples, he sends them not to the

Gentiles, nor to the Samaritans, but only to the lost sheep of the

house of Israel.

So within the confines of the covenant community, there are those who are classified

as lost, and that they are in need of redemption.

So the very fact that they had a.

External.

Covenantal relationship with God did not qualify them for being kingdom

people.

There was a need for repentance and for the lost to be found.

So the gospel is proclaimed and taught.

And Jesus, as he goes along in his ministry, over and over again, we see his

rejection.

And Chris, by the way, if you want to stop or interrupt me, please do.

I don't want to become too much of a monologue here on your program.

But if you want to stop me on anything, please do.

But as Christ goes along in his ministry, we see over and over again that Jews were constantly

adverse to Christ, rejecting him, despising him, wanting to kill him, especially

as we know in the Gospel of Luke when Jesus talks about when he opens up the scriptures and the spirit of the Lord God, he says is

upon him.

And he goes on to talk about there were many widows, but he went to the widow who was a Gentile.

There were many lepers, but he went to Naaman who was not a Jewish person and that was offensive to them.

And when we trace the gospel ministry as it continues from Luke into the book of Acts, who wrote

both Luke and Acts, we see over and over again the constant refusal of Israelites,.

Not.

All Israelites, but we know that's a fact, but many of the Israelites, the Jews, refused

the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he was Lord, that he was king, that he was

even risen from the dead.

So we start again with John the Baptist.

Christ carries a message.

And finally, Jesus, it's near the end of his ministry.

He has to state this, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given unto a nation

bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So there's indications that the kingdom would be taken from them.

He said, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how often would I have gathered you together as a hen gathers her

chickens under her wings, but ye would not.

And then he goes on to say when he returns, he says, I'm leaving your house

desolate.

When I return, you will say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

That's a key text because some would argue that, see, when Jesus returns, that's

when the Jews will turn to Christ.

So a lot of people have a problem with seeing the church as being the Israel of God is because

they see a future national restoration.

They see Israel in the land right now.

They see, they think some of the promises that are of the Old Testament or prophetical

passages are being fulfilled in the current time, and they don't want to acknowledge

that the Jews are ousted.

From.

From becoming God's people once again.

In Romans chapter 3, we have, it begins by saying to what advantage then has a

Jew much every way chiefly that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

They definitely had an advantage over all the nations of the earth.

It tells us in Amos that thee only have I known of all nations on the earth.

And it tells us in Deuteronomy 7, 6, the Lord thy God has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself

above all the people that are upon the face of the earth.

Some Christians want to believe that the Jews have a separate category of a relationship with God

apart from faith, repentance, and believing in Jesus Christ, and they're almost equal

with the believers, the church in this current age.

So trying to get to your questions that we're raising, Chris, as to whether

is the church Israel would be better framed by saying, is the church the

Israel of God?

In the Old Testament, Israel is viewed as the apple of God's eye.

Would it not be appropriate to say of the church, the church is the ones who Christ

loved and gave himself for her.

Christ loved the church and gave himself for her and died on the cross for them.

So the church then, according to Galatians chapter 6, 15, Israel

likes to whom it says there that as many as walk according to this rule, peace be upon them and

mercy and upon the Israel of God.

Who is Paul claiming is the Israel of God in the book of Galatians?

He couldn't be isolating the Jewish community of the faithful from the

Gentiles who are also spiritual offsprings of Abraham.

That would be a deflection from the theme of the book of Galatians who's

trying to say to them that Jew and Gentile, all the spiritual offspring of

Abraham are united together as being a part of that one olive tree.

There are not two olive trees, there's one olive tree.

So has the church, and this is getting more specific, has the church

replaced Israel?

Well, after Christ rose from the dead, he tells his disciples to go into the world and that

repentance and remission of sins should be preached in my

name.

And that would take place after the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the apostles and the commission

for them was that they were, after they received power, they would be witnesses of Christ in

Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the earth.

That's really the table of contents for the book of Acts.

So the ministry of the gospel begins in Jerusalem, and we know at Pentecost,

Peter receives the spirit along with the other apostles and is empowered to preach the gospel and present the

gospel.

And many of them who heard said, men and brethren, what shall we do to

be saved?

And Peter says, repent, just like Jesus had said that repentance and remission of sins

should be preached in my name.

And who are those that receive the message of repentance and believe?

They that gladly received his word were baptized in the same day that were added unto them about 3

,000 souls.

Who was the audience that Peter was addressing?

He was addressing men who were devout men from all regions of the earth who

had come together for the feast of Pentecost, primarily, and maybe

even Passover.

They would have been there for a length of time.

So even in that audience, there would have been a mixture of Gentiles, devout men, proselytes,

no doubt, who are hearing now the gospel and repenting and believing and therefore

being joined to the church.

So we could say that what God is doing is he's,

as Paul says in Romans chapter one, it's to the Jew first and also to the

Gentile.

The first opportunities of hearing the gospel of the risen Christ, which is really, we could call that the

greater salvation.

How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?

Hebrews 2, 3.

The gospel has always been there from the beginning.

And thy seed that was promised back in Genesis chapter three, that seed was always

there as a gospel handout to people or opportunity for

people.

But in the New Testament, that gospel is magnified and heightened by

the greatness of the appearance of the Messiah and his accomplished work on the cross as

atoning death, burial, resurrection, and ascension, and then enthronement.

And Chris, where is Christ enthroned?

It's very distinct that Peter's saying he's enthroned on the throne of David.

So here we have Jewish language that Jesus, the Messiah, risen from the dead is on the throne of

David, which makes him a king.

We get that language in Acts chapter 17, where they were preaching another king, one Jesus.

He's the other king.

So we have the Davidic promise that through the generations of time, there would be a greater than David who

sit on his throne.

And that's Jesus Christ now who's sitting on the throne, which his kingship is

hailed.

He's Lord.

And these now are required to bow to Jesus as king and as Lord.

And prior to that, Peter says about the prophecy of Joel, this is that which was spoken by the

prophet Joel, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters and so on.

That was happening right there.

It wasn't something postponed to a post -church age.

It was something that had been predicted by Joel as occurring in the last times.

In Jesus, we know half in these last days appear unto us.

So eschatology and theology are really commingled.

And I think if you have one wrong and the other one right, or if they're not

properly aligned, I think you're probably going to come to a faulty conclusion.

So one of the big questions, is God done with Israel?

Well, as the book of Acts unfolds, it tells us in Acts chapter 326,

God raised up Jesus unto you first God, having raised

up Jesus, sent him to bless you in turning away every one of you from his

iniquities.

So Christ was risen from the dead.

And guess what?

The first opportunity for conversion, repentance and salvation was

proposed to the Jews.

That's why in Acts 319, Peter says that repent ye therefore

and be converted so that your sins may be blotted out.

So Christ is exalted and those who repent and believe him, they have the

opportunity to be saved.

In this presentation, in chapter 3 of Acts, I'm in right now, verse 23,

Peter says, quoting from the book of Deuteronomy 18, 15 and following, where

it was predicted that a greater than Moses would come.

Moses says it, that there will be a prophet who God will raise up.

Him shall you hear.

Peter quotes that verse and says in Acts 3, 23, every soul which will

not hear that prophet shall be destroyed.

Notice this, from among the people.

So there is an extraction of Jews from the people of

God.

So getting back to the metaphor of the olive tree, we have

the olive tree is the plant, you could say, of God's people.

But in the New Testament, we have the branches are broken off.

The natural branches, the branches that have natural connections, descendant

wise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, those are broken off in the

unnatural branches.

That's the Gentiles who were wild plants.

They are grafted in and with them are partakers of the root and

the fatness of the olive tree.

So that's important to see that the connection that the church has is with the Abraham,

Isaac and Jacob.

And we draw from the root and the fatness of that olive tree.

So there you can see a continuity between the old and the new.

And in the new, there's a refinement of who the people of God are.

And that refinement comes with the teaching of the new covenant.

The new covenant is composed of people, only people who have been circumcised

inwardly, who are born of the spirit and have the indwelling of the spirit.

They are the children of God.

Romans 9 verse 8 says, or verse 6 rather, they which are the children of the flesh,

these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for the

seed.

So the natural seed, because of their unbelief and blindness and part that has happened to them,

they were cut off.

So now who are the ones that come into the olive tree?

Who are the ones that partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree?

It is the church, the church age.

So we need to probably, and I know I'm all over the place here, because I'm trying to cover a lot of

material and a short, you know,.

Yes, well, believe me, this is all necessary because you're laying an essential

bedrock from which we are going to be presenting the case you're making.

So, let me finish what I wanted to say about Acts.

So we have Peter mentioning that Jesus is risen from the dead and seated on the throne of David.

That's very significant.

So those who were repenting were repenting towards God and putting faith in Jesus Christ, and they were now

added to the ecclesia, the gathered out one.

So they're united to the king, their servants, their subordinates.

They're in the family of the king.

And then chapter 13, we have Paul preaching in the synagogue and he uses the expression, the sure mercies

of David.

Then when we get to Acts chapter 15, the Lord is building again what was ruined and had fallen

down, the tabernacle of David.

So these are Jewish terms that have application to the church.

We see Jesus on the throne of David.

We have the sure mercies of David, and we are a part of the tabernacle of David.

And then if we take this further, we find that we are the ones who are circumcised.

Now, some may not take Romans 2, 28 and 29 as being strictly

applicable to Gentiles and Jews, and some would see it as applicable only to

Jews.

When it says he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, and circumcision is not

that of the flesh, but the true circumcision is a circumcision that is in the heart

by the spirit.

Like Colossians says, we're circumcised without hands.

So whether or not you see the Gentile as being able to be called a Jew, I think we can at

least say that we have a spiritual offspring of Abraham.

So has the church replaced Israel?

It's better to think of it that the church is the church age, the people of God.

It's a fulfillment of the promises that were made in the Old Testament of the Abrahamic promise

that he would become the father of many nations.

And those who are of the nations that are connected to Father Abraham are those that have the

faith, like Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him for

righteousness.

The same thing is applicable to us.

We believe God.

We have righteousness imputed to us.

Therefore, we are in the spiritual family of Abrahams.

We can call Abraham our father, and we are the circumcised.

It tells us there in Philippians 3, and we know that this has Gentile applications.

It says that we are the circumcision who worship God in spirit.

We are the true circumcision.

So we are viewed—maybe you might not want to use the word.

I don't have a problem with it for me to say that I'm a true Jew, and by that I would mean that I have the circumcision

not made with hands of men, but by the spiritual hands of Christ who has circumcised my

heart and made me a true spiritual child of God.

Amen.

There's no reason you should be hesitant to proclaim that because it's biblical.

It comes from Paul's own words in the inerrant words of Scripture, the God -breathed

words of Scripture.

But we're going to pick up right where we left off there, Gary, because we have to go to our first break.

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We're now back with Gary George from The Sound of It.

I think he's torturing an animal in his home there or wherever he's conducting the interview.

Gary, why don't you pick up where you left off and conclude anything that you care to say

about the bedrock of what you are defending today, and then I'll move on to

some listener questions.

Okay, I think probably what your listeners would be interested in is maybe addressing the

question about does the New Testament teach replacement or

supersession theology?

Has the church replaced Israel?

It's one question to answer by the church being the new

Israel of God, but the other question remains, is the church the

final and only people of God?

Will there be a future for Israel?

So I think that might be important to your listening audience.

I think you'd agree with that.

So I think we can go in this kind of direction as far as

replacement.

Has the church replaced Israel?

Well, if you believe that there's a future national restoration ahead for Israel, you would obviously

say, the church hasn't replaced Israel.

Israel is still on hold.

They're suspended until a post -church age, if you're a dispensationalist,

or the end of the church age when Israel will be back with a national

status before God.

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embraces and are classified as being united with, and let me give you some examples of that,.

For instance.

Melchizedek has replaced Aaron, right?

Who is a high priest?

And ironically, if you hold to a future Ezekielian temple and are going

back to a ethnic priesthood of the Zadokites or the Levites who will be

conducting ceremonies and sacrifices in the future

temple, then how is it that Melchizedek will have to forfeit

his Melchizedek forever priesthood classification and yield it back to Aaron?

But rather, one has given way to the other.

The Melchizedek priesthood has eclipsed or replaced the Aaronic priesthood.

I think maybe your listeners have not really considered that possibly.

It's obvious that the new covenant has replaced the old covenant.

So we are a covenant people.

Israel was a covenant people.

They had a relationship with God, an external one, the new covenant

people of God, those that have been born again, those that have been circumcised inwardly,

those that have the new nature, those that don't have to be taught to know the Lord, for they'll know me from the least

to the greatest.

It explains that in Hebrews chapter eight, in Hebrews chapter 10.

So couldn't we say that the new covenant has replaced the old covenant?

I'm just trying to give your audience some ideas about the use of the word replacement and

examples of replacing old with the new.

The temple, for instance, of believers right now, which is what we have called, we are the temple of God.

We are individually temples in which the spirit of God dwells, but looking at

ourselves corporately, we are classified as the building, the temple of

God.

So there you could say that the temple of believers has replaced the physical temple

or temples of the past or any other future type of temple.

Again, there's another example of replacement.

The true Jew, the one that was circumcised inwardly has replaced the ethnic

Jew or the one who has been only circumcised outwardly.

The Jerusalem, for instance, of the old has been replaced by the Jerusalem that is above.

Important verse, Galatians 4, 26.

Jerusalem, which is above, is the mother of us all.

We have freedom and liberty as being connected to the spiritual

Jerusalem, which is above.

The one beneath, Paul says, he classifies it, that the children of the

Jerusalem from below are in bondage and with their children.

The seating of Christ on David's throne now has replaced any idea of a

future Jesus sitting on a throne or another David -like character sitting on

the throne.

The Zion above, according to Hebrews 12, 22, has been replaced, has

replaced the Zion on earth.

The once for all sacrifice has been replaced by all other sacrifices, past or future.

Jesus, the greatest servant of Yahweh, has replaced the inferior servant Israel, Hosea

11, 1 and Matthew 2, 15.

They're both all God's son.

Jesus is the greater than Israel.

He's the new replacement for Israel.

The Sabbath rest in Christ has been replaced.

He is our Sabbath rest.

He has replaced the need for a future or a present Sabbath keeping.

The Jewish feasts have been forever replaced by Jesus and his work.

The Passover celebration has forever been replaced by Jesus's judgment death on the cross.

Christ, our Passover, is sacrificed for us.

So if people wanna go back to temple worship and there's this suspense that many Christians,

evangelical conservative Christians hold, they're getting the red heifer ready, they're getting the construction of the

temple.

When I went to Israel, I went to a place called the Temple Institute where they're actually

constructing our temple pieces of furniture.

And I saw these life -size pieces of furniture that are worth thousands and hundreds of thousands of

dollars.

And there is some expectations that some sects have that the temple is going to be restored and

rebuilt.

And of course, dispensationalist has a difficulty of understanding is that the temple of Ezekiel?

What other temple would be prophesied in the Old Testament that would be one that would go back to

one preceding the millennium?

That's a difficulty for dispensationalists.

The children of faith have replaced the children of the flesh.

Circumcision without hands has replaced the circumcision with hands.

The types and shadows have been replaced by the substance, Colossians 2 .17.

The children of the devil, the Jewish unbelievers, that's what Jesus calls them, have been replaced by the spiritual seed of Abraham.

Worship is now at a sanctified location that has been replaced

by spiritual worship in an undesignated place.

Like Jesus talking to the woman at the well, you say that this is the place and Jerusalem is the place and so on.

But he goes on to say elsewhere that where the two or three are gathered together in my name, there

am I in the midst of them.

So the idea of one sanctified location where persons would meet together and are going

back to Old Testament practices is ridiculous.

And it's contradictory to the progression that the New Testament makes.

It's absolutely contradictory to the book of Hebrews.

I met a Jewish woman when I was in Israel.

She had been saved a number of years and she says, you know what I give to my fellow Jewish countrymen here?

I have copies of the book of Hebrews that I give them.

And I agree that that's the best thing that could possibly be handed out to a Jew because

it obviously indicates replacements or replacement theology.

The old national Israel God has been replaced by the new Israel of God, Galatians 6 .15.

And the natural children of Abraham have been replaced by the spiritual children of Abraham.

So can we have fault with the usage of the term replacement theology?

At least you'd have to admit that Melchizedek has replaced Aaron and spiritual circumcision

has replaced natural circumcision.

The once for all offering of Christ has replaced forever the temporal offerings that

never really took away sin anyway.

So these are strong indications that we have in the church.

This is an important verse in 1 Corinthians 10 .11.

It talks about the church upon whom the end of the ages has

come.

There is no post church age that is after the church.

The church is the conclusive age.

The New Testament is a fulfilling of the Old Testament.

So you could call it instead of replacement theology, if you don't like that, you could call it fulfillment

theology.

I like to think of the Old Testament as the bud and the New Testament as the blossom.

So that there were things that were promised and hoped for in the old that come to pass in the new.

The physical is replaced with the spiritual.

And so we're enjoying the end times with a high priest who's

after the order of Melchizedek, who's a king priest.

And he's a prophet that every soul that doesn't hear will be removed from the people of God.

So Jesus right now is currently carrying out his office of prophet, priest, and king

at the right hand of God.

So, okay, I have given you a few things there in regards to what one could

understand by replacement theology, the church replacing Israel.

Yes, and the thing that is baffling, you can understand

the uneducated non -believer, unbeliever being confused

by this and wrongly coming to the conclusion that this is a

bigoted ideology where

a belief is being taught that Gentiles have replaced Jews.

And that is not at all what you are saying because the church

began completely as a Jewish group and then

gradually more and more Gentiles began to join that group

by becoming circumcised in their hearts by becoming born again.

And we have reached a day, and this has been the case for many centuries,

that there are numerically a greater number of Gentiles in Jesus's

church, but it is not an exclusively Gentile club of some kind.

And so, as I said, it's understandable that an unbeliever may jump to that wrong

conclusion of using terms like replacement theology.

But what is baffling is that our dispensationalist brothers in Christ,

some of them whom are very biblically literate, they might even be scholars,

and also our messianic Jewish brethren, how they, as the world does,

equate the term church with Gentiles.

Even if they're not doing it consciously, it appears that they are at least unconsciously doing that.

There would be no reason for being upset and hurling the charge of anti -Semitism if that

was not the case.

Am I right?

Yeah, and here's another angle to look at, Chris, and the fact is that the church, and when we're saying

the church, we're using it as the New Testament terminology of the new

covenant people of God.

There's definitely a continuity between the old and the new.

We get that teaching from Romans chapter 11 so that there's no real separation.

There's no two peoples of God.

There's one people of God, and Christ is the reason for the union with one another.

But in the New Testament, we have obviously a new day where Jesus says, I will build my

church.

So you could say the spiritual construction is now put under new management,

and Jesus is the builder.

How interesting that Jesus was a carpenter himself, and he describes the way in which the church

would be constructed with the term using, I will build, a building word expression.

And so when we get to Acts chapter 2 after we read of the conversion of the Jews particularly, and then in verse

47, it says the Lord added to the church daily those that were being saved.

That's how Christ was building his church.

And this is the point I'm trying to get to, Chris.

Who was the nucleus of the nascent church?

It was the Jews.

Yes.

It was the Jews that were converted.

In fact, every book of the New Testament was written by a Jew except for Acts and Luke.

And absolutely.

Even Paul, who's an apostle and teacher of the Gentiles, who's commissioned by Christ to

go to the nations and not to stay in Israel, in Jerusalem and Judea and so on, but he

sent him far hence unto the Gentiles.

Where does Paul set up camp, so to speak, in the presentation of the gospel?

He goes to the synagogues.

OK, we have to pick up where you left off.

We have to go to our midway break.

Be patient, folks.

It's the longer break than normal.

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which is, is the church Israel today?

And Gary has emphatically answered that question with a yes.

And before I go to our listener questions, did you want to finalize anything?

Because I had to cut you off when we went to the midway break.

I just wanted to say about the Apostle Paul.

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Again, getting back to our point that if we say, and I would say, yes, the church is the

Israel of God today.

Does that mean that Jews are excluded?

Of course not.

The gospel is unto all and upon all who believe.

The first churches in the first centuries were composed of primarily Jews.

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He is also including Jews into the family of God by the new birth.

People like to say, well, aren't the Jews the chosen people?

Yes, they were the chosen people, but they are no longer the chosen people.

The chosen people are the people who have been chosen by God in eternity.

They are the true people of God and the true Israel of God.

And of course, some of those chosen people or another term is the elect.

Some of those are Jews, but the Jews are not exclusively the chosen people.

No, well, they were.

I was saying that in the Old Testament, they were primarily the ones whom God had chosen nationally of all

the nations of the Europe.

And even people have problems with election and so on.

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And that was the nation of Israel.

So why would it be difficult to understand that God chooses some people and not all people to become his

sheep anyway?

Yes.

Go ahead.

Oh, I just wanted to say I think that some things need to be clarified, especially

when using the word replacement, especially since there is a very

popular buzz phrase being used by those who are opponents to

what you and I believe about this.

They will hurl that accusation.

Oh, you believe in replacement theology, but they have in their minds something

that is different.

They in fact, a beloved brother that I love so much.

I used to love interviewing him.

A believing Jew, Marty from he's now in eternity with Christ, wonderful

brother.

And I had so much in common with him theologically, but he would unintentionally

misrepresent our position.

And he would say things like, you believe that God is through

with the Jews?

I've never heard a reformed or Calvinistic pastor, scholar or

theologian in my life say that.

Nobody that I know that I would give an ounce of respect to says that God is through

with the Jews.

God saves Jews through the evangelism of his people every day.

He brings them to their knees to bow to the finished work of Christ on Calvary as their

only hope for salvation.

He's not through with the Jews.

In fact, even there are some reformed Christians who believe that there's going to be a mass

conversion towards the end of earthly existence as we know it before the

return of Christ.

So I just want to interject.

Something that I think is very important.

If we shouldn't be using the expression, God is through with the Jews because

God is not through with the conversion era of time.

God is saving people throughout the times that we exist.

And so those whom he saves, they embrace and come into the

new covenant people of God.

So even if people want to hold to a national grand, you know, resurrection and

restoration of national Israel, there's not going to be another covenant.

There's only two covenants.

One we know is passe, and the current one is the one that we are in now called the church

age or the new covenant, the second covenant.

And any Jew, whether individually, corporately, nationally, they've got to

be included in this one and only last final covenant.

It's called in Hebrew 13, the everlasting covenant.

So even if you want to say there is a future for the Jews, that future for the Jews is that they're going to be

included into the church.

That's the bride, the final peoples of God, the church.

First Corinthians 10, 11, I'll repeat it again.

Upon whom the end of the ages is come.

What's one of the things were written for time were written for our learning.

What was written for time?

All the prophets and law had spoken.

We're addressing this time period as well as well.

And Paul uses the same expression.

He was accused of being a heretic.

But yet he's speaking.

He's speaking all the things that were written by the law and the prophets in Moses.

And I think we also have to be careful about you used the phrase before that I think would, if

you use it, would require explanation.

The New Testament has replaced the Old Testament that may convey in the minds of people

that the Old Testament is worthless, that the Old Testament is nothing but

a history book that we can return to from time to time just to

titillate our imagination or learn more about the origins of the

Christian faith before Christ and so on.

Obviously, the Old Testament or the Hebrew scriptures are extremely important.

We have to handle them with just as much care as we do the New Testament.

And there are bedrock truths.

There are essential truths contained in the Old Testament that we have to believe today.

100%, I mean, 2 Corinthians 3, 16, all scriptures given by inspiration of God is profitable

doctrine and so on.

And what is Paul referring to when he's writing that to Timothy?

The New Testament canon was only in progress at best.

Right, right.

And he was obviously referring to the Old Testament.

So there's tremendous value in the Old.

You know, this is all inspired scripture, no prophecy of scriptures of any

private interpretation for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men, but by holy men of

God who were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

That's sacred scripture.

So it deserves and demands due reverence.

Amen.

And I've actually heard in my lifetime after becoming saved, not from my own pastors, but

I've actually heard pastors tell their congregations that

the Old Testament is not really all that important now.

In fact, I would encourage you to buy the New Testament that is isolated unto itself without

the Old Testament on it.

I mean, I understand that for convenience sake, that those versions of the

scripture can be helpful just because they're smaller and lighter and easier to fit in a pocket or

something.

But you know,.

But you've never.

Go ahead.

The New Testament contains about 8 ,000 verses, roughly 1 ,800

really.

About one eighth of them, approximately 1 ,000 verses have either

direct reference or allusion to the Old Testament.

So you could say that one eighth of the Old Testament is contained in the New Testament.

As a matter of fact, when I was a young believer and I started reading, I started reading the gospel of John and Matthew and the

epistles.

And I come across the name Abraham and David and Elijah and so on.

And I said to myself, boy, I need to know who these characters are.

It's important.

How am I going to understand the meaning of what the New Testament author is writing when I don't understand the context

of who these people are from the Old Testament?

So it motivated me to want to read the Old Testament scriptures.

Amen.

All right, let's go to some of our listener questions.

We have Pat in East Brookfield, Massachusetts.

Will you please elaborate on the differences if there are any between replacement and fulfillment?

Actually, you've already done a great deal of that already.

Is there any one thing you want to add to that?

Rephrase the last part.

I missed what you said there.

Will you please elaborate the differences if there are any between replacement and

fulfillment?

Yeah, it's just a matter of semantics.

It depends on how what emphasis you want to put.

Like I had put emphasis on the replacement from the standpoint that, you know, Melchizedek has

replaced Abraham's virtual circumcision, has replaced the physical circumcision.

The spiritual temple of the church has replaced the old temple.

And I gave numerous examples of Jerusalem, which is above, has replaced the Jerusalem, which is below, and on and on.

The Passover has been fulfilled or replaced by Christ's Passover sacrifice of himself.

So there, I think you could use the word replacement, but it does need explanation.

People have a problem with replacement because it gives the impression that that means that there's no

future for Israel.

And we just addressed what that meant.

But I think fulfillment really gives what we were talking about, the interrelationship between the old

and the new and how one yields, the old that is, yields itself to the new.

I had referred to an expression like the bud develops into a blossom so that there's

really a integration that takes place an actual organic,

dynamic unity that takes place between the old and the new.

As one is coming into fruition, it is actually taking Old Testament

types and shadows and putting body on the skeleton, if you will.

Oh, we have a listener, Susan Margaret in Dauphin County,

Pennsylvania, who asks, in light of everything you have said today, how are we

to view that national area of the Middle East today

known as Israel?

Well, of course, it's obvious that they were formally the, it was God's territory that God gave

specifically a land that flowed with milk and honey to Israel.

And he ousted all the nations.

And he tried to do that through the people of God, the Jews.

And obviously, they have been ousted again, not only in past exiles, but the final exile that

took place in 70 AD and subsequent to that.

So all Israel was scattered.

So what, in my opinion, and I could be wrong on this, but I'm definitely not a Christian

Zionist.

I don't think that the Zionist movement that began with Herschel back in the 1890s and

was carried through into the 1900s and so on that Israel has been nationally

restored and that they're back on their feet spiritually.

If you know anything about Israel today, they are primarily and I shouldn't say maybe primarily,

but there's a mixture.

They're not, they're not there religiously.

They're there politically.

They're there for a personal gain and for any other nation that would want to enjoy

a land for themselves.

So I don't see that as a fulfillment of a promise that was made to Abraham about the land.

I feel that that promise was fulfilled in the invasion of Joshua with the people.

And I think Joshua 21 pretty much settles that idea.

And the New Testament gives us no impression at all that the land is a future

promise for Israel.

We have come to the fulfillment of all land like promises spiritually by our

receiving Christ and having all the spiritual blessings that are in heavenly places in Christ.

So a land in the physicalness that may have been important to an Israelite and to a

Jew today, possibly is not something that the New Testament or that the Bible holds out as something relevant

to us.

Yes.

And don't you think that there is much abuse?

And I gotta, I gotta repeat myself.

There are so many dispensationalist Christians that I love and one of my greatest modern day heroes

is John MacArthur.

So I don't want my listeners to think that I am trashing all of

dispensationalism and dispensationalists.

But there are important things that

rise up due to a faulty theology on these things.

Like, for instance, the misuse of Genesis 12, verse 3, where

God says, I will bless those who bless you and I will curse him who curses you.

There are many Christians that might even be the majority of Christians in the 21st century

who think that that means we have to side with the current day

nation of Israel at all costs because if we don't, we better watch out.

God's going to curse us.

And you have atheists ruling that country,

socialists and so on.

You don't have people who return to the land because of a devotion to God.

Obviously, there are some people who believe that they're there for that reason, but I'm talking about as a whole.

In fact, as you may know, when the new nation of Israel

began, in the late 40s, this was a work of liberal Jews.

The Orthodox and the Hasidic wanted nothing to do with it because it was being viewed by them

as a manufactured Israel because the Messiah had not yet

come in their mind.

And today, there are many Hasidic Jews who still have that view.

But go ahead.

I'm sorry.

So I was just going to say when you talk about Israel nationally there in the land, Palestine,

they are definitely a secular community for the most part.

We Christians are naive in thinking that the Jews are like a homogenous

people, I should say, and that they're Jewish in their religious convictions

and so on.

Tel Aviv, which is the biggest city in Israel, happens to have the second largest gay parade

in all of the Middle East countries.

They pride themselves in that.

They're hardcore atheists.

And same thing in New York City.

And we always think of those Orthodox Jews and we see their zeal and their Sabbath keeping

and their ordinance keepings.

And we sympathize with them and we see them praying before the Western Wall with real fervor.

And a heart goes out to them.

You know, I was at the Western Wall and I was with a brother and I went up to the wall and I took the brother that was with me.

I said, let's back up with me, brother.

I said, let's pray for the conversion of these people.

Let's pray for their salvation, that the gospel would reach them.

I wish I could put a big sign on the Western Wall.

Repent towards God and put faith in Jesus Christ.

He is your only hope.

And there's a hatred of Christ, not only in Israel, but among many Jews and I have

confronted, I've had interrelations with rabbis and Orthodox Jews and they have

been harsh as the harshest persons I have met in my evangelistic outreaches

because of their despisal of Jesus Christ.

And I'm not saying that because I'm anti -Semitic.

I love all people.

We're commanded to spread the gospel to everybody.

And I feel like with the Jew, they are prime targets for the gospel because we have

so much in common with their belief in the full Testament and we can use the Old Testament, the

Isaiah 53s and various Psalms and so on and make them applicable and realized by

Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

Uh, we have another first time listener question.

Gregory in St. Kitts in the West Indies.

How does the Valley of Dry Bones and Romans 11 tie in with the church being the new

Israel?

Jesus told the Jews that he will give the kingdom to another nation producing the fruits

thereof.

What does that mean?

OK, that's a good point.

When he's going to when he went to the fig tree, Jesus cursed the tree and said, let's said, said, let

no fruit grow on the henceforth and forever.

I think that God God closed the door on Israel nationally.

So any prospects of future rejuvenation of Judaism, temple worship,

reinstitution of a priesthood, which is so contradictory to the New Testament where you don't have

in the New Testament these two classes of people, a hierarchy and the laity.

It runs so contrary to that.

But it's a good question.

I think that the person is asking concerning how does the Valley of Dry Bones and Romans 11.

I know he's talking about the end times when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

It'll be like life from the dead.

And of course, the application that the that the question person wants to raise or bring to our attention

is that isn't that referring to Israel nationally being restored in some good men,

A .B. Spurgeon included in that would see it that way.

And I don't put I don't have a a problem with that.

I don't see it as a national restoration.

But I see when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and then all Israel shall be saved.

I think it's the completion of the history of the conversion of Jews through the period of the church

age over the course of different ethics, you could say.

And each of those ethics, they remain the remnant, according to the election of grace like Paul.

And there would be other remnants throughout the next centuries in the next centuries and so on.

And when that's all completed, it will be life from the dead.

But go ahead, Chris, on your next question.

We have another first time questioner, Corey in Worcester, Massachusetts.

Did I pronounce Worcester right?

Well, no, you didn't know.

How do you pronounce it?

Worcester, Worcester.

Corey in Worcester.

I'll talk to you after the interview about that.

How can we say our beliefs are similar to Gary's, even though we are in a

culture where we will be labeled as anti -Semitic and they try to cancel

me?

I think what he's saying, I think he's what he's saying is how do we react to people

who slander us as being anti -Semitic and try to cancel us?

I think.

Well, you know, if we really tell them the truth that we want to see

Jews converted, we want them to, we want to see them to repent.

They would label us as anti -Semitic in some fashion or form.

If we believe that they nationally are rejected and that they have no future with

a return of the temple or this construction and all that type of thing, we're going to be labeled

anti -Semitic.

But the fact is, and I want to be as far away as being anti -Semitic as possible,

I and all believers should have a generosity and a charity towards all

people, including Semitic people.

So we don't, we shouldn't ever be thought of as anti -Semitic.

And if we give any impression, it's because of a wrong impression they got of our interpretation of

scripture.

But scripture would not point us in a direction to despise Jews, Israel or anything of that sort.

I think we can befriend them.

I think we can, we should love them.

And I think we can show them the fruit of the Holy Spirit, that that's where the life changing comes by faith

in Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit that makes us new creations.

And I would also add to that my comments that I am not

a Christian Zionist and you said the same.

In my case, that does not mean that I don't believe that

it demonstrates wisdom on many occasions for the United States as a

nation to often support the nation called

Israel today since they are an ally in the Middle East, surrounded by

people who want nothing but not only the destruction of Israel, but the destruction of the United States.

So, I mean, I'm not saying that we should ignore the importance of that nation or anything like that.

I'm just saying that we are wrong when we automatically assume that this is a, this

nation is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

Exactly.

And we have to go to our final break right now.

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Well, I guess what I want to say is I think it kind of wrapped up with what Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1

.20, all the promises of God in Christ are yea, and

in him amen to the glory of God.

So that's how we need to look at the Scriptures.

When Jesus met with his apostles after his resurrection, he expounded

unto them the things concerning himself.

And we are really the outflow of the person of Jesus.

As we are recognized as being the body, and he is the head, and we are members one of

another.

So whether it's a Jew or whether it's a Gentile, it's a wonderful thing to have a union together

as believers, but our union is in Christ.

So it kind of wraps the whole thing up as well.

In Ephesians 1 .10, it says that in the dispensation

of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one all things in

Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even

in him.

So Christ must have in all things the preeminence.

So whatever our particular views may be, what needs to be highlighted the most is the

preeminence of Christ, that he is a glorious, exalted king sitting on

the throne.

He's lord of lords.

He's above every name that has been named, and to him be glory, honor, and power forever and ever and

ever.

And we are a part of his plan and amazingly united by his

powerful gospel call.

All right, we have time for at least one more listener question.

We have Christopher in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Have you ever heard an answer from a dispensationalist or Christian

Zionist to 1 Peter 2, verse 9?

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own

possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who has called you out of

darkness into his marvelous light.

In context, Peter is obviously speaking to Christians and

not exclusively to ethnic Jews.

How do they respond to this?

Who would say how do dispensationalists respond?

Is that the question?

Yes, I mean in your encounters when you've had dialogues.

These are the kinds of verses, as you call it, as implying that I think are stumbling to the

dispensationalists because the next verse, even after verse 9, says you who were not a people

are now the people of God.

So there's this, you know, electing gospel of grace that saves people

and brings them into the family.

And so he's not a Jew, which is one outwardly, but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly.

And now we have replaced Israel in the standpoint that I think maybe the

person who sent in the question might mean that as in Exodus chapter

19, Israel was called to be a priesthood of people of the kingdom.

And they had failed.

And now you are a chosen generation.

You are a royal priest, a holy nation, a people of God's particular treasure.

Yes, we have, in that sense, again, you could say we are the new people of God, the replacing people of

God, or the fulfillment people of God.

Okay, we got time for one more with a quick answer.

Let's see.

I am remaining anonymous because most of my dear friends are dispensationalists.

And I am being told over and over again that Romans 1 verses

16 is teaching us that we are to give priority in our

evangelistic efforts to Jews over Gentiles.

The text says, for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation

to everyone who believeth the Jew first and also to the Greek.

But is this not just a matter of chronology from history and not

comparing two groups of people as one being more important?

Paul uses a similar language when he goes into the synagogue and the Jews reject him.

He says it was necessary that the gospel be first preached unto you, and now I must bring it unto

the Gentiles.

So yes, it is sequential.

As it says in Acts, when they receive power to be witnesses, it's Jerusalem, Judea,

Samaria, and the outermost parts.

Of the earth.

That's the chronological sequence, and the gospel did begin, as Jesus said, your witnesses unto me

from Jerusalem to the outermost parts.

Of the earth.

Amen.

Well, I also want to quickly plug the 2023 John Bunyan Conference, April

16th through the 19th at Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee, who sponsored this program.

If you want more details on this conference, which should be utterly fascinating, they have quite a number of speakers there.

I believe 12, 11 or 12 speakers, including my friend Dr. Tony Costa of

Toronto Baptist Seminary.

If you want more details, go to ptinct .org.

That's ptinct .org.

Also, if you want more information about the church where Gary George, my guest today, is a pastor,

Sovereign Grace Chapel in Southbridge, Massachusetts, go to sovereigngracema .org.

Thank you so much, Pastor Gary, for always doing such a spectacular job.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

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I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.