WWUTT 1174 Q&A Theological Liberalism, Imagine No Stupid Songs, What God Has Promised?

The Bible Answer Man, Spotify, and a Bonus Q&A Schedule

What is theological liberalism? Which comes first, a liberal view of scripture or rejecting Genesis one through 11 as literal history? And will the world ever realize Imagine is just the worst song ever?

The answers to these questions when we understand the text.

This is when we understand the text, a daily Bible study in the word of Christ that we may grow in love for God and for one another. Tell your friends about our website at www .utt .com. Here once again is Pastor Gabe.

Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. Something that I keep forgetting to mention every week is that we are now on Spotify. Yes, we are. This update was made a couple of months ago, but I keep forgetting to mention it.

We got several requests. Surprise. Yeah, hey. Some of you probably figured that out by now. Probably. We had several requests from folks saying, hey, could you get on Spotify? And it was one of those things where I just kind of kept putting off.

And everything that we do is through Podbean. That's like the main host site we use for the podcast. If you're able to find us on iTunes or Spotify or any of those other places, it's because Podbean has put the podcast out there on those different podcast hosting places.

That's awesome. But I never thought about Spotify. I have rarely used, I think you use Spotify, don't you? No. You haven't listened to like music playlists through Spotify? No. Okay. I could have sworn you did.

No. No. Well, when you would listen to like those oldies channels on your phone sometimes.

No, that was Pandora. Oh, Pandora. That's okay. And then later it became Amazon Music. So, you know. I got it, I got it. Yeah.

Yeah, Pandora. Pandora, I got confused with Spotify. Yeah. But like I said, I've never used it, so. It's not the same. If you couldn't tell. Anyway, it turns out that on Podbean, it's just like a little box I had to check.

And then boom. Oh, neat. Now the podcast is on Spotify. Glad it was so easy. Yeah. So that's all it took. So much hard work. I know. Whew, man. Thanks for being patient with me, guys. I don't know how I get by.

This is Friday. No, it's not. It's Thursday. I was gonna say. And on Friday, we take questions from the listeners. No, this week you're getting a bonus Q &A episode. We're gonna do Q &A Thursday and Friday.

It's your special quarantine, isolation, social distancing, twofer Q &A on Thursday and Friday. So you can send your questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com. I don't know yet what our questions are gonna be tomorrow unless we're able to get, unless there are some of these we don't get all the way through.

Okay. Then they'll just carry over to tomorrow. But you can always fish us more questions for the Friday broadcast as well. Whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com. Of course, some of these questions that I have in here are coronavirus-related.

Last week, we didn't get to any of these questions.

Which hopefully soon will be dated. Hey, that rhymes. I know.

They're coronavirus-related, which hopefully soon will be dated. And we can get back to work and not be sedated. Yeah. I got nothing. Yeah, so, and then we've got other questions about some other things here as well.

What Is Theological Liberalism?

We're starting here with this one from Joshua in New Braunfels, Texas. I think that's how you pronounce that. New Braunfels, New Braunfels? No idea. Anyway. I haven't been there. Thanks for your question, Joshua.

Dear Gabe and Becky, I recently listened to James White on The Dividing Line do a critique of Hank Hanegraaff and his rejection of Sola Scriptura. What in the world happened to the Bible Answer Man? I used to listen to his show all the time, but once he converted to the unorthodox church, he has un in parentheses in front of orthodox church.

Gotcha. Once he converted to the unorthodox church, my heart was broken and I could no longer listen to him as any kind of credible source for answers about the Bible. I still remember the episode you did explaining why he was no longer fit to be called the Bible Answer Man.

When people ask me now, where can I go for good Bible questions and answers, I recommend your show. You're the new Bible Answer Man to me. Maybe not Becky because she's not a man, but sometimes she'll ask exactly the follow-up question I'm thinking, which is why you guys make such a great team.

I was just writing to tell you that, but I suppose if I wanted to dub you the Bible Answer Man, I should ask you a question. So here is one. If a fundamentally sound Christian falls into theological liberalism, which happened first, did he reject a literal reading of Genesis 1 -11 and thus became a theological liberal, or did he become a theological liberal and then rejected a literal historical understanding of Genesis 1 -11?

I'd be curious to know your thoughts, God bless. Well, thank you so much for your email, Joshua. I'm flattered that you would think of me as the new Bible Answer Man, but I'm gonna tell you that is a title that I absolutely don't want, because I don't think you quite understand the burden that you place on somebody by calling them the Bible Answer Man.

Now, I'm like you. I used to listen to Hank Hanegraaff quite a bit. I also was heartbroken when he basically left orthodoxy and went to the Greek Orthodox Church, Eastern Orthodox. I don't know what branch of it that he's a part of.

I can't remember anyway. But yeah, I was as disappointed as you are that he left orthodoxy for the Orthodox Church as much of a paradox as that is. But even when I did listen to Hank Hanegraaff, even when I was pretty regular to his program, not just listening to it on bot.

I think when I first started listening to it, it was when it was on bot radio. And then when I figured out, hey, I can listen to this on my iPod. Then I just started listening to it there and I wasn't trying to catch it on a daily schedule.

Yeah. That's one of the nice things about podcasts. You don't have to tune in at this time every day. And you miss the first five minutes. Yeah, that's right. I can just get it all whenever I feel like it.

And when the kids come in and interrupt, I can just pause. Right. Instead of trying to listen. Rewind. Quiet, quiet. Daddy's trying to listen to this. This is the third time. Yeah. But even when I did listen to Hank Hanegraaff and even when I did recommend him to other people, read a couple of his books, I still, I was always troubled with that title, Bible Answer Man.

Yeah. In fact, I didn't start listening to him at first because I was like, Bible Answer Man? How arrogant is that? He's the guy with all the Bible answers. Yeah. And even when he was not part of the Orthodox Church, it was kind of give and take on some of the answers that he would give.

There were most of the stuff that he would say I would agree with, but then there were some answers he would give that I didn't agree with at all. And then some of you, especially you, Joshua, a regular listener to James White, you know the history that he's had with the Christian Research Institute, CRI.

And there kind of became that dividing line, no pun intended, where the Bible Answer Man program was just no longer going to be apologetic on the side of Calvinism or reformed theology. They were gonna be shuffling all of that off the table and calling that, I can't remember the term that Hank Hanegraaff used for it.

I heard him talking about it one time. It was untenable, I think. It's untenable with biblical orthodoxy to be a Calvinist, I believe was what he said. But anyway, yeah. But though I appreciate it, Joshua, I just, I don't wanna be the Bible Answer Man.

You can be the what guy. I'm just the what guy. I'm good enough with that. What guy? Yeah, exactly. The what guy. We'll stick with that. So then this next paragraph here, I was writing to tell you that, but I suppose if I wanna dub you the Bible Answer Man, I should ask a question.

If a fundamentally sound Christian falls into theological liberalism. So you understand theological liberalism? Nope. See, this is why Joshua said we make such a great team. Yeah. Because had I not asked you that question, I might have just moved on.

And somebody probably needs an explanation.

Of theological liberalism. Well, you know, it helps, yeah.

I'm turning to an article here from Kevin DeYoung, and he's even referencing seven, let's see what it says, seven characteristics of liberal theology that were summarized by Gary Dorian. So DeYoung says this about theological liberalism.

Liberalism is both a tradition coming out of the late 18th century Protestant attempt to reconfigure traditional Christian teaching in the light of modern knowledge and values, and a diverse but recognizable approach to theology.

That probably didn't help you out at all, did it? Nope.

That's kind of what I was thinking. You're answering my question with bigger questions. I mean, bigger words. This is not breaking it down for me, come on. Throw me a bone.

Okay, so here we go. This is kind of like the main tenet of liberal theology, that religion is not based on any external authority. Now, what would be our external authority? Like government. Well, no, you and I, what's our external authority?

God.

I feel like I'm wrong in answering this.

Well, I know, you're thinking I'm, I was being very general when I was trying to, so what is our authority? Very specifically, it's everyone's authority. What is our authority? God. God's word. Right.

Specifically the Bible. Okay, yeah. Yes, God, but right, I was going for scripture here. Okay, okay. The theological liberal would say there is no external authority. So God's word is not authoritative.

Okay. And therefore. I've heard that, yeah. So therefore, since it's not authoritative, they'll throw out inerrancy, sufficiency, even that this has to be historically accurate. Right. The theological liberal is gonna say, well, there's things here may not be true, but I choose to believe it, or I read it as poetry or allegory or something to that effect.

Now, incidentally, the atheists, agnostics and skeptics have all caught on to this. And I just had a conversation with somebody about a week ago who was a skeptic and said to me something to the effect of, anything that I show you where the Bible is not true, you're just gonna blow it off as, well, it's allegory.

And I laughed when he said that, because it's like, see, that's the response you've heard, because you've been talking to mostly theologically liberal people. You've really never had a real interaction or a conversation about the Bible with somebody who's an inerrantist, who would say that this is the perfect revealed word of God.

Right. So that's kind of the That would make a totally different conversation. Right. The emergent church movement was this way. I mean, they're theological liberals. And it's one of the things that kind of diminished the emergency church.

The emergent church movement into oblivion, it's still out there. It just doesn't have the prominence that it did back in the late 90s, early 2000s period. So another tenet of theological liberalism is that Christianity is basically social reconstruction.

And we've seen that with the woke movement. Okay. Social justice stuff, intersectionality, critical race theory. Those who we otherwise thought were Orthodox, it's like the young restless reform kind of group of people are those that started to seize hold of the woke movement.

When they went down that path, they're going the way of theological liberalism. It's like they're teaming up with theological liberals and making Christianity into this thing that becomes a project of social reconstruction.

Like we can improve everybody's lives. And it's the job of the Christian to do that. Right. We need to make society better. We need to make everybody's jobs better. Okay. Everybody's lives better. But as Martin Lloyd-Jones has said, the terrible tragic fallacy of the last hundred years has been to think that all man's troubles are due to his environment.

And that to change the man, you have nothing to do but to change his environment. And that's a tragic fallacy. It overlooks the fact I was gonna say, that's not gonna help him. Yeah. It overlooks the fact that it was in paradise that man fell.

Right.

When everything was perfect. Well, they don't believe that the Bible is fully true then. Well, yeah.

And that goes back to Joshua's question here. Cause he's saying, I mean, the theological liberal rejects Genesis one through 11 anyway. Right. So of course they can believe that the Christian's job is supposed to make society better when they're not even gonna consider that the world was perfect at the time that Adam and Eve had disobeyed God.

Right. And then the curse came into creation. And that's the way, that's the reason why things are what they are right now. It's the reason why we're fearing the coronavirus. Right. It's because all of creation's been subjected to futility.

Okay, a third aspect of theological liberalism, Christianity must be credible and relevant. You know, you hear those pastors that are trying to make Christianity relevant and they end up watering down the gospel so much that there's

Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, there's nothing to it that really is any different than what I'm getting in the world. You're just listening to a pastor that's basically a motivational speaker with a few Jesus verses thrown in.

Right. But just because you see a pastor that is trying to make everything relevant, that doesn't necessarily mean he is a theological liberal. It does mean though that he's flirting with it. Yeah. And that he likes that aspect of theological liberalism that he starts pulling it in and thinking, hey, I need to make the gospel relevant to people.

The gospel's already relevant. Yes. You need to tell people They are all sinners. Right. And it is by faith in Jesus Christ, we are forgiven our sins and we have eternal life. You need to tell people that the point of being saved, when you call yourself saved, when you call Jesus Christ a savior, they need to understand what they're being saved from.

Their sin, death as the wages of their sin, and the wrath of God that is coming upon them because of their sin. Jesus has saved us from that by faith in him, we will not perish under the wrath of God, but we will live forever with him in glory.

A kingdom that awaits us where everything is perfect. And this is by the mercy and grace of God that we have received this as a reward. And it's, if we don't understand our own sinfulness and what we really deserve, then it isn't grace.

Right. It's something that we deserve. God's just gonna give it to you. Right, I earned it. Yeah. Yes. And that's really Because I can do it. That's right. That's really the position of the theological liberal.

If they even have anything close to a biblical understanding of heaven, then they're most likely universalist anyway. Everybody's just going to go to heaven. Right. Or if you go to hell, it's whatever you make hell to be.

But ultimately love wins. Right, well, of course. Yeah, you know, the whole Rob Bell thing. So a fourth characteristic of theological liberalism, truth can be known only through changing symbols and forms.

So in other words, the analogy is how we understand truth. Oh, okay. So the truth is not just a statement that exists on a page coming from the mouth of Christ, written down by his apostles, which we have in scripture.

Right. The statement itself, as we would have it in the Bible, wouldn't be enough. You have to frame it in some sort of a modern analogy to make sense of it for me.

Oh, well, that goes back to relevant, being relevant. Being relevant, right. They're kind of interconnected.

Yeah, okay. But all of this is interconnected again with dismissing that scripture is inerrant. Right, insufficient. Yeah, once you kind of throw that out the window, then it's Anything goes. Right, a fifth characteristic of liberal theology, theological controversy is about language, not truth.

So you've heard this before. It's like the whole, a very common argument that you hear that goes with 1 Timothy 2, 11 and 12, where Paul says, I do not permit a woman to have authority over a man. Oh, okay, yeah.

Rather, she is to remain quiet. So a common excuse to that passage is, well, Paul was just explaining the world as it existed in his time, where men were dominant.

But now when men have freedom and yeah.

So therefore, we don't need to follow the 1 Timothy 2, 11 and 12 instruction because that was for that time period and it's different for us. Or you'll hear this explanation. Well, Paul was confronting an actual problem that was going on in that church where women were just kind of trying to dominate everything.

Okay. And that's not Like our world right now. Yeah, see, that's not the problem in our church. It's not that women are trying to dominate everything. We're just supposed to see each other as equals.

So men are supposed to be putting women in those positions, like pastoral positions.

So that way women don't I see very angry women all over the news. Oh, yeah. All over my feeds of social media and they're just so angry and all over the place. Yeah. There are so many. Can't tell me that women aren't trying to dominate.

Yeah, so if you're saying that that was the problem during Paul's age, we're like times 10 on that now. Oh, no, Joe. That's shooting themselves in the foot when they use that argument. Yes, definitely.

Well, that's kind of our problem now.

So I see the You know, do you not recognize this history repeating itself? Right.

And then a sixth characteristic, the historical accuracies of biblical facts and events are not crucial so long as we meet Jesus in the pages of scripture. So once again, historical accuracies of biblical facts and events are not essential to understand so long as we meet Jesus, quote unquote, in the pages of scripture.

It's just all about Jesus. I don't understand how you can get that without the other,.

But Yeah, well, yeah, you're exactly right. You know. So you can't actually know Jesus if you're not knowing him according to his word.

Right, it's just, it astounds me that they try to separate everything.

This is just dismissing any need that we have to study theology. Yeah. And there are people who practice this in a practical way, even though they probably wouldn't be categorized as a theological liberal.

Okay. They don't wanna study the theology. I don't wanna learn the terms. I don't wanna hear the words. I just want Jesus, you know. Yeah. But it's in studying theology, studying scripture, combing the words, rightly dividing the word of truth as Paul instructed Timothy to do.

It's in doing that that we see God all the more clearly. Yeah. And so there is a much value in theological study. It's why when you go to a church, you probably want a pastor that's been to seminary. Yeah.

And you might say of yourself, well, I don't wanna study this stuff, but you're not gonna go to a church where the pastor has not shown himself a worker approved by putting a lot of years of study and understanding into the pages of scripture.

Would you hire a pastor who said, well, I've not actually read the entire Bible? Well. Even a theological liberal wouldn't admit that. Yeah, no joke. But that's really where they come from. And it's like, I've read it, I threw it away, and then I went and did my own thing.

And I blacked out those parts I didn't like on the way or that weren't relevant to me. Words I didn't wanna have to study. You know. Yeah, and you hear

Or say. Yeah. Yeah. There was a high school ministry that our church hosted for a lot of years. I think over 20 years before the high school eventually closed lunches. And so they couldn't come over to the church anymore to get lunch and hear the gospel.

But we were feeding something like, I can't remember what it was, two to 3 ,000 students a school year. Yeah. With food, they got free lunch, free lunch for them. They didn't have to pay for it. Right.

And we gave them the word of God. So sometimes we would attack some topical things, but most of the time, we just tried to put the gospel in whatever we could. So we might use a current event. You guys might be asking questions about this.

Could be something that happened locally. Could be something that was going on nationally. And then we would point the teens to Christ. And then a lot of the teens would stick around. They would ask us questions afterward.

Anyway, so this was a ministry that we did for a lot of years at our church. I ran it for about 10 years. So about half the time that it was with our church, I was involved in it. It was a pastor, like two or three pastors before me that started it.

Right. But there was one time, we did invite other youth groups in town to be a part of it. There were some youth groups we excluded because of what was taught at their church. They weren't gonna allow to be involved in that.

But even those youth groups that we did permit to be involved, I said to those youth leaders, if you start softening sin, if you start describing sin as brokenness or describing it as messed up. I was gonna say messy.

Yeah, messy or something like that, then you're not gonna speak. I'm not gonna give you a platform to stand in front of these students and speak. You have to talk about sin. You have to talk about judgment.

You have to talk about salvation is in Christ alone. That is essential to what it is that we're doing. So their statements of faith, their church statements of faith had to line up with ours. Close, yeah.

They had to certainly agree on all the mains. Right. But then if I caught one of these guys, and I did this one time, I actually had to confront a youth pastor doing this. He was quoting Romans 5 .8. God demonstrated his love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Well, he said, and he's speaking to like 100 youth in this room. And he said, Romans 5 .8, while we were messed up, Christ died for us. And I had to confront him afterward. And I said, explain to me messed up.

What do you mean by that? And he said, well, you know, the word that's there is sin. And I said, right. That's why I'm asking you this question. Why did you substitute sin with messed up? Well, the teens don't understand sin.

They don't know that word. That's not just a word that we commonly use. They're not walking around, talking with their friends, using the word sin. So they don't understand it. So I'm gonna use a term that they do understand.

And I said, well, you're softening sin.

Not in today's society. Messed up is like, oh, I'm just gonna go sweet talk my way and fix things and it'll be all better by the end of the day.

Yeah, messed up can be like, my sports team never wins the championship. Yeah. That could be messed up.

Yeah, this is like petty stuff. Yes. Very, very petty stuff.

It's not confronting the wrongs you do and the evil that's in your heart. Messed up is somebody else's fault.

Or you just, you know, somebody else pointed out your fault.

Yeah, and they're the ones that are making me feel bad.

Yeah, well, yes, exactly, yeah.

So I said to him, you're a teacher, you're a youth leader. So as a teacher, you need to read the scripture the way it reads. And then you need to explain to them what it means. So you say, God showed his love for us and that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

And then follow that up. Well, what does that mean? What is a sinner anyway? Anybody know what a sinner is? You can ask him that question, see what kind of answers you get. But then you explain to them what a sinner is and why it's so serious to know that we have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Why do we need Jesus? Because we're under the judgment of God. Christ died for our sins by faith in him, our sins are atoned for and we stand before God righteous. But you have to grieve over your sin before God.

You have to know that you have rebelled against the creator of the universe who sits enthroned over all things. What do you think God is gonna say to you when you betray the king? When you go against what the king says, what happens to you?

Off with your head? Right, yeah. This is how serious sin is. But God demonstrates his love for us and that though we had sinned against him and though we deserve judgment, he sent his son to die for us.

So whoever believes in him, their sins are atoned for, they're paid for in Christ. And now we are received by God as righteous instead of judged by God as unrighteous, filthy, unrighteous, filthy sinners.

So this is, again, it's the way of theological liberalism and a person who does such a thing may not be categorized as a theological liberal, but they're borrowing from liberalism when they do things like that.

Dangerous territory. Yeah. And so then the final characteristic of liberalism, number seven, the true religion is the way of Christ, not any particular doctrines about Christ. So it just comes back to this thing again of

Separating everything. Yeah, I just believe in Jesus. No. I don't need to believe in these other things. Well, we played a clip on this, I can't remember how long ago this was, a couple of months ago, but it was when Max Licato was on with Jen Hatmaker.

Okay. Do you remember going through that? Yep. Okay, so Max Licato had been talking about how we just need to, what are the basics? Like, what are the basic things about the gospel that we all just need to believe?

We all just need to agree on this and then we know we're Christians. We can receive one another and not have to argue about all the other kinds of things. We don't have to worry about our differences.

Yeah. And he whittled it down to what was stated in 1 Corinthians 15, starting in verse three where the apostle Paul says, "'For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried and he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures.'".

And that's it. Yep. So as long as we agree, Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures and he was buried and he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, that's all we need to agree on and now we're fellow Christians.

Oh boy. But notice there that it says, "'In accordance with the scriptures.'". That's what I was gonna point out. That's what we did. That's what we talked about that last time too. Yep. And the scriptures have a whole lot more to say about that.

Yes, they do. And here, we've not said anything about walking in holiness. We've not talked anything about the Trinity of God. Right. Or the holiness of God. Any of these essential doctrines to the Christian faith are not even summarized there.

So that's That's crazy. Yeah, when you just whittle it down to, well, I just need to believe in Jesus and then who cares about all these other doctrines? And you had this back in the 70s. One of the big controversies was, you don't have to believe in the virgin birth.

Oh, okay. So virgin birth, you can take it or you can leave it. It doesn't matter. Well, if Jesus wasn't virgin born, then he wasn't the pure spotless lamb. Right. Who could die on the cross as an atoning sacrifice.

Because he would be filled with sin. That's right. Only Christ was the perfect sacrifice.

Because he was virgin born. Which is why the Bible makes sense. Yeah, that's right.

This is why his impeccability matters. We know that Jesus is perfect and what is understood about his perfection is bound up in the fact that he was virgin born. Yeah. That he was not born with Adam as his federal head, but conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Christ is the second Adam and all who are in Christ are under his federal headship and not Adam's. Right. That's why that's important. Anyway, that's Jumping into some more theological topics there.

But there's, in answering Joshua's question here, which I thought was gonna go a little bit faster than that. There is your basic understanding of theological liberalism.

So once again So now continuing his question. Yeah, continuing his question.

But let me summarize this again. Okay. So we've kind of been everywhere with these seven points. Sure, of course. Number one, true religion is not based on external authority. So it's not based in scripture.

Number two, Christianity is a movement of social reconstruction. We're supposed to be making society better. This is all according to the theological liberal. Number three, Christianity must be credible and relevant because this book apparently isn't modernized enough for our present day.

So we need to help it out a little bit. Number four, truth can only be known through changing symbols and forms. The analogy is what's important, not actually the words on the page. Number five, theological controversy is about language and not truth.

Number six, the historical accuracies of biblical facts and events are not crucial. So long as we meet Jesus in the pages of scripture. And that leads to number seven, the true religion is the way of Christ, not any particular doctrines about Christ.

So given that that's our understanding of theological liberalism, Joshua's question now is, if a fundamentally sound Christian falls into theological liberalism. So there was once upon a time when their profession of Christianity we would have said is true.

Right. It's solid. They're a Christian who is in love with sound doctrine. That's what we would have said about them at one point. But then they scooted off into theological liberalism. They dismissed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God.

They just started saying things like,.

Well, I just believe in Jesus. And that's all I need. I would say they would be coveting that in their heart first. Yeah. And then just follow, the Lord would just let his hand off of them and let them have the.

Right, I think the two of them kind of go hand in hand. Yeah. So again, a fundamentally sound Christian falls into theological liberalism, which happened first? Did he reject a literal reading of Genesis one through 11 and thus became a theological liberal?

Or did he become a theological liberal and then rejected a historical understanding of Genesis one through 11? And it's kind of which came first, the chicken or the egg? Yeah. But of course we know the chicken came first.

I think they go hand in hand. So yeah, like Becky was saying, it's just kind of exposing the fact.

That their heart is not devoted to the word of God anymore anyway. Yeah, I mean, they might've professed it with their mouth, but their head.

Yeah, I can't make sense of Genesis one through 11. Yeah. But I just choose to believe,.

You believe what you wanna believe. Right, or I know what you wanna hear. So I'm gonna tell you what you wanna hear. Something like that.

Kind of the beginning of the end when those start to become your answers to things like that. Yeah. You had the recent controversy that came up, I think about a month ago with Rhett and Link. Oh, uh-huh.

Good Mythical Morning. Right. So these two guys who, by the way, the first time I ever was introduced to Rhett and Link was when they were the fabulous Bentley brothers on What's in the Bible. So they sang those songs on the What's in the Bible DVDs.

I didn't realize they had a show. And somebody said to me, hey, have you seen these guys? Yeah, they're fabulous Bentley brothers. No, it's Rhett and Link. And they have this podcast called Good Mythical Morning.

Right. So Becky and I started watching it quite a bit. They were pretty short. I think, what, like 10 to 20 minutes or something like that. Yeah, something like that. So we just went through a bunch of episodes on YouTube and thought they were really funny.

Kind of stopped watching them after a while. One of the things we noticed is that the more current episodes that we started finding, they were becoming more and more crass. Yes. And they were even welcoming guests onto their show and stuff like that where we were like, well, we don't want our kids to see this.

Yeah. And so we stopped watching. So it wasn't any surprise to us when we saw that that was kind of their trajectory. We weren't surprised to find that story that had popped up. Yeah. About a month ago that these two guys who had at one point been youth leaders, that's most likely how they got connected with Phil Vischer.

Okay. And then we're doing, is that him? Is that the guy? Yeah. Yeah, Phil Vischer who did Veggie Tales and what's in the Bible. Anyway. I know a name. Hey. That's how they got connected with him and did the songs for the What's in the Bible DVD.

I guess there was at one point even a video. Somebody had asked me if I had watched this, but when I went to find it, I couldn't find it anywhere. But I guess Rhett and Link are playing chess against Albert Moller.

Oh, okay. It was a YouTube video at one point, but it must have been deleted by the time somebody told me about it because I never could find it anywhere. Supposedly there is this video of Rhett and Link playing chess with Albert Moller.

Okay. And it takes two Rhett and Link, two guys. Two Rhett and Links? Yeah, two Rhett and Links against Albert Moller and they still lost. Oh. I don't know. I have to see the video, but I never did see it.