January 1, 2018 Show with William Downing on “What it Means to Be Born Again”

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I Was quite depressed last night watching Fox News and hearing the new year being rung in. By the John Lennon song imagine and that song is basically the anthem for Marxist atheism. But anyway, I did hear from Peter Jones of Westminster Theological Seminary in California that a mutual friend of his and John Lennon's told him that he is Fairly certain that John Lennon actually came to know the Lord before he departed this earth.

Peter Jones was in the same. I believe elementary class as John Lennon in the UK. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about today. We are going to be discussing what it means to be born again.

With dr. William Downing the pastor of Sovereign Grace Baptist Church of Silicon Valley, California. And he's also the director and president of the Pacific Institute for religious studies. He is supposed to be with us and we did have a conversation over the weekend where he confirmed that and we came up with the topic but he Did not answer the phone.

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This is Chris Arnzen, and we do have joining us on the phone all the way from Silicon Valley, California Dr. William Downing who is an author. He's also the pastor of Sovereign Grace Baptist Church of Silicon Valley and Director and president of the Pacific Institute for Religious Studies today.

We are going to be addressing the theme What does it mean to be born again? And it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Dr. Bill Downing.

Thank you. Yeah, I.

Assume that the last time I called you and that was a rarity. Usually my guests call me and it's like maybe one half of 1 of the time I call them and that's what threw me off. I guess so. I'm sorry about that.

That's right. Well before we go into the subject at hand, which is a very important one. And I think an excellent way to start a new year by discussing new life in Christ. Let our listeners know something about Sovereign Grace Baptist Church of Silicon Valley, California because there may be listeners who are joining the iron sharpens iron radio audience for the very first time and have not heard you before and Perhaps are unaware of you and Sovereign Grace Baptist Church.

So if you could let our listeners know about that.

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Our guest today just turned 77 last week and I remember I Wished you a happy birthday live on the air when I was interviewing a mutual friend of ours pastor Joe Jackowitz.

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Amen and we'll be giving contact information for Sovereign Grace Baptist Church of Silicon Valley and other ministries under the umbrella of that church throughout the program so I hope that you'd make note of that information and if you live in Silicon Valley or nearby or have friends family and Loved ones who live there or if you're planning to visit there This will be valuable information for you and I might as well Remind you of that website right now.

The website is s GBC SV org that's SG for Sovereign Grace BC for Baptist Church SV for Silicon Valley Org and you can find out all of the other Informations about the Institute in the seminary and so on on at that website well, I think That one of the best ways you could possibly start a new year this being the first day of 2018 is to talk about the new birth the new life that one can have in Christ and the the phrase born-again.

Is something that? definitely confuses a lot of people just as it confused Nicodemus When he by night snuck to see Jesus Christ to ask him questions and That is a very important phrase that comes up from the lips of Christ and And That is the the thing that our eternal Destiny hangs on whether or not we are born again, and I was wondering if you could start off With a definition.

In fact, let me before you even do that. Let me read from the New American Standard Bible. The the text that I am speaking of in the Holy Scriptures that involves the new birth. This is Starting in Chapter 3 verse 1 now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus a ruler of the Jews.

This man came to Jesus by night and said to him rabbi. We know that you have come from God as a teacher for no one can do these things that you do unless God is with him. Jesus Answered and said to him truly truly I say to you unless one is born again He cannot see the kingdom of God and Nicodemus said to him How can a man be born when he is old?

He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born Kenny. Jesus answered truly truly I say to you unless one is born of water and the Spirit He cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That's that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Do not be amazed that I said to you you must be born again. The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it. But do not know where it comes from and where it is going so everyone who is born of the Spirit and If you could Tell us exactly what Jesus is referring to because there are people who think Born again just means that you are a part of some kind of a denomination that they wrongly Perceive in their minds is called the born-again denomination or something.

Some people believe that if you are born again, that certainly must mean that you are a charismatic or Pentecostal somebody who speaks in tongues and dances around in their worship services and does all kinds of things like that that very enthusiastic and exuberant demonstrations of what they believe.

And of course the the term Now has been borrowed by secular society. Being born again just means to them that you're having a brand new start. In fact, a lot of people might be considering themselves born again New Year's Day because they have made a resolution to quit smoking to quit drinking to quit doing drugs to.

Do all kinds of things or stop doing all kinds of things. But what is it to be born again? Dr. Downey and.

In the text that I read It is interesting that Nicodemus did not know what Jesus was speaking about and yet later on in the The text a part that I did not read. Where Nicodemus says in verse 9? He says to Jesus how can these things be.

And Jesus answered and said to him are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things truly. Truly I say to you we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen and you do not accept our testimony.

If I told you earthly things and you did not believe how can you believe it if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended from heaven the Son of Man as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness.

Even so must the Son of Man be lifted up so that whosoever believes in him has eternal life may have eternal life and The the the question I have in regard to that is that it's obvious that Jesus is chastising Nicodemus the leader of Israel.

For not already knowing this how would Nicodemus have Been responsible for knowing what born-again means when the concept at least in a cursory View of this this experience that that Nicodemus is having with Jesus.

This is something being introduced to the people of God for the first time and and yet as I said Jesus is Chiding Nicodemus for not already knowing it. Where in the Old Covenant.

Would he have known this concept and many people came in the most intimate way Nicodemus. He thought he was in the kingdom of God already completely outward rights ritual ceremony cleansing jurorship offering sacrifices and He said how can a man be born and he bring Tadut around the second time into his mother's womb and be born?

Can he of course not and the construction in the original language? Anticipates a no answer. He was completely at the end of his thinking. So our Lord begins to raise the conversation to a spiritual level.

Except a man be born of water and of the spirit He cannot enter into the kingdom of God and he explains this to Nicodemus. Nicodemus should have known is John 3 5. Except a man be born of water and of the spirit at a loss.

Are you not hardly are you not the each of them very. I will give you three paths of their fathers in the day when? I took them by the hand to bring them out of the Egypt was outward. Circumcision was outward in the flesh in dynamic of grace and he continues.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts. And will be their God and they shall be my people no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more so God was going to do and in 20 and I will give them their flesh and Will give them a heart of flesh my statutes and keep mine ordinances and do them and they shall be my people 27 then will I sprinkle clean water upon you and you shall be cleansed and from all your idols.

Will I cleanse you? Of course, this has nothing to do with sprinkling or baptism. It had to do with the water of purification that was Involved the red heifer his sip and so forth. You know heart also will I give you and a new spirit will I put within you and I will take away the stoning you to walk in my statutes and ye shall keep my judgments their flesh and Giving them a heart of flesh a live and acting heart and it would Prince that they had at that time and you already.

Addressed this but I want you to perhaps go a little bit further into this because as you know a great number of professed Christianity Will believe or does believe that? Water is required for someone to received the gift of new birth.

We have the Roman Catholics Who believe in this we have the Eastern Orthodox who believe in this and even those perhaps closer to home? Lutherans believe this and Those within the restoration movement or the Church of Christ believe this and yet we who are known to be Calvinistic and others Who are evangelical?

Do not believe that the requirement of water and the spirit in these texts has anything to do with water baptism and I'll repeat it again and Starting in verse 4 of John 3 Nicodemus said to him. How can I a man be born when he is old?

He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born. Can he and Jesus answered truly truly I say to you unless one is born of water And the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So I have heard some explanations that involve.

Evangelicals.

Saying that this is referred to the water that That flushes out when a when a baby is born vaginal fluid. We I have heard that this is referring to the water of the Word of God Because the Bible itself refers to the scriptures as the water.

So what what is your opinion on this. Specifically on what Jesus is talking about?

The man is now with the Lord and we were gathered together at a bar. He was needless to say he was because he had a flat view of would like to give so I can whip any Baptist. This is gambolite debates and Noah on a certain issue.

Eyes to every one of you and to all that are far off. Even as many as the Lord a physician a preposition ace I mean that but that's not really birds. Repent and be baptized every one of you. These are not equal in the original language yet Lee and urge much much less promises unto you and to your children and Our reform brethren Pato Baptist will say you see some to you and to your children.

Amen. Well, uh going back.

To another part of the verse that I would like you to exegete or explain we have back in verse 3 of 3 Jesus answering Nicodemus truly truly I say to you unless one is born again He cannot see the kingdom of God.

Now is that phrase that Jesus is saying? Meant to Be equated with he cannot enter heaven after he dies or is Jesus talking about something else?

Tiles was to judge that the world through him might be saved. It just was astounding to Nicodemus that Salvation through Christ would go out. He cannot even see the kingdom of God. I think it's an extreme statement that you don't even you can't enter it.

You can't even see it. You can't discern it. And of course Nicodemus at that point in time was completely blind to it. The religion was.

One of the reasons I brought that question up is because we who are theologically reformed Who believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace or how it is? nicknamed Calvinism we use that as one of many texts to prove or At least bolster the notion that the ordo salutis the correct ordo salutis or order of salvation is that regeneration must precede conversion or faith.

And Here we have an example of Jesus saying that unless one is born again he cannot even see the kingdom of God meaning that the the rebirth or being born from above is Required for anyone to have any kind of spiritual sight at all.

And are those who use the text in that way?

To bolster the reformed order of salutis. Using the term the text correctly if I may use the term family together. And that's the fruit of faith someone. X regeneration divine reaction to man's ability and faith and.

The the whole concept that someone Could not only believe in a trusting way in a way that would save him Before he is born from above while he is still dead in his trespasses and sins while he is still in the flesh.

The idea that he could repent and Truly turn to God in more than a mere intellectual way, which obviously James says in his epistle that even the demons believe there is a God but they tremble. So the the mental assent or intellectual recognition of Jesus or even the gospel is not obviously enough for one to receive a new birth, but doesn't Romans 8 8 Bolster the notion that one who is dead in his trespasses and sins Cannot offer a faith to God that would please him and save him.

We have Romans 8 8. Paul says. And those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Well if faith That saves you pleases God How can someone in the flesh possess that faith unless he is already born again?

Am I right in using the text that way?

Well in you and if any man have not this man by name man by nature does not and man by nature is and.

I'm gonna go to one of our Listeners. We have a number of them who are waiting anxiously to have their questions asked and answered by you dr. Downey. First we have Anthony in Hoshton, and I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that perhaps, you know how it's pronounced Dr. Downing, I don't know how to pronounce s.

I'm sorry. H o s c h t o n Hoshton or Hockton. I'm not sure but uh Anthony in Hoshton, Georgia says could dr. Downing address the water of the separate the water of separation from numbers 19 in reference to Jesus's instruction to Nicodemus in John 3 if Numbers 21 and the serpent of brass was spoken of in this same context.

There seems to be a link here. Well while you're doing that.

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Please only remain anonymous if your personal involves a. If your question involves a personal and private matter and. So we are. I'm gonna repeat Anthony's question. Could dr. Downing address the water of separation from numbers 19 in reference to Jesus's instruction To Nicodemus and John 3 if numbers 21 The serpent of brass was spoken of in this same context.

There seems to be a link. Or the water of pure look and live the fullness of the well.

Thank you, Anthony. And keep listening to iron sharpens iron radio and keep spreading the word there in Hoshton Georgia and beyond. And if you have the time, let me know if I'm pronouncing Hoshton, Georgia correctly.

We have another listener we have. Let's see here. We have Joe in Slovenia. Let's See, he says. I reposted a meme on Facebook today that reads. I can't believe it's been a whole year since I didn't become a better person.

Once again millions of people are pledging themselves or pledging to themselves in God. Others that are. And others that they are going to in some way become a better person in 2018. The vast majority of them are deluded that they can accomplish their own self-improvement.

Well, they are as yet not born again. In what ways can we use this clearly this yearly cycle of? Unfulfilled New Year's resolutions as a talking point in Evangelistic conversations to steer the discussion towards the gospel and specifically the necessity of the new birth.

Very good question from Joe in Slovenia. Basically, how do we if somebody says I'm doing this and this and I'm stopping this and that for my New Year's resolutions. How do you use that?

Conversations when when somebody brings that up to steer them to the gospel. And the woman at the well was actually an immoral woman. But the Lord had to be done with call next morning when I call it the in the life.

You are not ultimate articles would command. Dynamic of grace. I believe that's the thinking of that and I believe That there's a there's a dynamic of grace. The divine grace is a reality of the life.

Well, thank you Joe in Slovenia and we are going to our break right now if you would like to join us on the air with a question. Of your own or email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com chris a r n z e n gmail .com.

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One lives in Hoshton, Georgia one lives in Slovenia, but has a daughter in Georgia, please. Why not take this opportunity? To come to the g3 conference since it's right there in Atlanta and Joe in Slovenia.

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