Why Impeach Trump?, Is Social Justice a Fad?, and the Hypocrisy of Cancel Culture

Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. My name is John Harris, broadcasting from my wife's laundry room, once again, sporting my Mike Lindell MyPillow loungewear. That's right, I finally got it in the mail, and it is very comfortable, I must say.

They did not pay me to say that, but I will say it, because I think Mike Lindell is getting a rough deal, and it's very concerning what we're seeing form right before us, where the government, big business, big tech, the entertainment industry, all in lockstep, and forcing people, canceling people, forcing them to do things they don't believe in, just being bullies, and it's not good, guys.

It's really, really not good, and so I think to support people who are being canceled, Mike Lindell being one of them right now, I think it's good to purchase something from his website. It's good quality stuff.

It's not like you're purchasing something that's terrible that you didn't want, and actually, I'm wondering why I didn't have loungewear before. I never had it, though. I just, it wasn't me, but now it is.

So, go to mypillow .com if you need pillows, or any of the other accessories he has. I think he's got all sorts of things. Towels, and sleepwear, and comforters, and bathrobes, and all kinds of things, so you can go check that out.

Help support someone who is getting canceled for doing the right thing, in my opinion. He's trying to shine a light on something that happened that, frankly, should shock everyone more than this supposed capital riot, whatever that means.

We're gonna talk about that in a minute a little bit more, but it should shock everyone, and he's being canceled for even talking about it, so go there, help him out if you can. I'd encourage it, and we're gonna talk a little more in the program later on about cancel culture, because we have some, well, let's just say some people's sense of proportion is a little off.

We have some examples of people getting canceled, and then some other people on the left saying things more extreme, but their careers are blossoming, and we're gonna shine a little bit of a spotlight on that, but here are the two other things that we're gonna talk about today, if I can bring them up here.

The Purpose of the Impeachment Trial

We are gonna talk about the impeachment trial, what the purpose is, and then we're gonna talk about the social justice movement and how it's not really a fad, and I'll show you examples of people, at least one person saying it is.

I may mention a few others. People that I love, by the way, and have no bone to pick with at all on a personal level, in the least, but I wanna share with you why I think it's important for me to talk about this, even briefly, and then, yeah, and we'll get to the cancel culture stuff, so let's start with the impeachment stuff.

Now, I'm sure you've heard from Republicans, Ted Cruz, I just heard say this this morning, that this is just motivated by hatred for Donald Trump. That's all this is, so it's just motivated by hatred for Donald Trump.

Trump derangement syndrome is causing this, because everyone knows they can't get the votes. It's meaningless, is what a lot of other people are saying. They're saying it's meaningless, it's a sham, it's political theater.

I say no. I say that's yes, but there's more to it. There's a bigger thing going on here. I think Hillary Clinton, actually, and I should've probably brought this screenshot up. She said it, I'll see if I can pull it up, earlier today, let's see if I can find the quote.

She said, and I quote from Hillary Clinton, if Senate Republicans fail to convict Donald Trump, it won't be because the facts were with him or his lawyers mounted a competent defense. It will be because the jury includes his co-conspirators.

In other words, she's saying that the Republicans in the Senate would be co-conspirators with Donald Trump to foment what they're calling the Capitol insurrection, which we're gonna talk about why that's probably not an appropriate term to use.

But I think that's getting out where the goal of this is. It's not just hatred for Donald Trump. It's hatred for anyone who was there, who would support the idea that there was election fraud. Anyone who is a seated Republican, who represents probably many of you who are listening, this is an attack on all of you.

This is what you need to realize. This isn't just about Trump. Trump, there was a meme that went around for a while. Maybe some of you saw it of Trump. He's kind of like in black and white looking at the camera.

And then the meme said something like, they're only going after me because they can't get, they have to come through me to get to you, something like that. So the hatred is really directed at us, but meaning middle Americans, conservative Americans, people that don't go along with the great reset agenda, that kind of thing.

Hatred is directed at them, but they can't do much because Trump's in the way. I think there's some truth to that. I don't think all the hatred for Trump was they just really legitimately didn't like Trump.

Some people didn't. But you have to somehow balance that with the fact that Trump was in the entertainment industry and business world before ever running for president. And he was quite popular. People liked him.

He hosted Saturday Night Live. He was in movies. They didn't have a problem with him back then. Now I realize not all of his views were shaped by then and they weren't known and he wasn't governing. I get all that.

But it was like a switch flipped when he decided to run for president and people started taking him seriously. That's when the switch flipped. It was when people started taking him seriously and they would actually vote for him.

Then all of a sudden he was a danger. It's because of the support he had by regular, decent, common, working class, mostly Americans. That's really what it comes down to. And by the way, mostly Americans that are influenced by even if they're not Christians themselves, some kind of a vestige of a Christian understanding of right and wrong in some way.

That's my thinking on this. I don't think that this impeachment trial is about Trump as much as it is about the people that took hope in Trump, supported Trump. It is to condemn anyone, to suppress anyone who would say that there was election fraud.

That's what they're going after. And I think, I'm gonna show you some things. I think this kind of, it's just interesting. It plays into this whole idea that this is beyond just Donald Trump. And Karen Swallow Pryor, she's a professor at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, used to be at Liberty University.

And she's very popular. She's one of the most popular, I'd say other than probably Beth Moore. Yeah, I think I'm comfortable saying that. Other than Beth Moore, she's probably one of the most popular social media users in the evangelical world.

If you wanna call it evangelical, I don't even know what to call it anymore, but formerly evangelical world. Here's what she said. Watching the new footage from the Capitol insurrection, my heart is sick.

So this is, okay, they're not gonna be able to convict Trump, no. But what effect is this having on some people? This is the effect it's having. They're getting to show all these images that they wanna use to vilify the people who supported who?

The GOP. Here's her next sentence. I'm incapable of understanding how any member of the GOP can place party above democracy, order, and human life. Having voted Republican most of my life, I'm also incapable of imagining ever doing so again.

And then she tags Ben Klein and Bob Good, who are both Virginia members of the Senate. I don't understand. I thought she lived in North Carolina, so I don't understand why she's tagging them. But she wants them to know this is how she feels about this.

Now, this is dripping with irony and hypocrisy. Almost every other word has a problem with it, in my opinion. But the big picture, I think, Gordon Sanchez captured. I want to, you can go to at Gordie for Justice to follow him on Twitter.

Here's the thread he made. Okay, I gotta go out of character. If you watch the Democrats' Capitol video and are shocked, appalled, and weepy without being that way all summer, there are many adjectives that describe you, but the one that comes to mind the most is nationalist.

Think about it. A violent movement, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, founded on lies, took to the streets, and killed, maimed, burned, looted, declared de facto war on local private citizens. Violence was random and didn't seem to ever line up at all with the ideological vision of the movement.

Fed up Americans that felt like they had no recourse went to the number one place it makes sense to go to declare their grievances, violent and nonviolent alike, to the U .S. Capitol, the center of power, decision-making, et cetera, the sensible place to go.

So if number one was merely an expression of justice, but number two was an unhinged, evil, dangerous assault on democracy, you are by definition a nationalist. Why? Because you only care about a hubbub when it's at the seat of democracy.

You're obsessed with the nation, not its people. Let me read that to you again. You're obsessed with the nation, not its people. He's absolutely right. David French, Russell Moore, Karen Swallow Pryor, Eric Erickson, these guys who couldn't find the will to condemn the Black Lives Matter and TIFA riots in these kinds of terms, in these strong terms over the summer, not saying none of them ever said anything against it, but it wasn't this, their sense of proportion way off.

They couldn't find the will to do that, but they have suddenly the fighting ability to go after all these evil, evil Trump supporters. And the lie that they spread in their minds about rigging the election, et cetera, that makes them nationalists.

That means they don't care about the little guy as much, the little guy who's, what, over a billion dollars of property destruction, over a thousand police injured, murders. They don't care about that stuff as much as they do the temporary storming of the Capitol.

And I use that word for a reason. I don't even know if that's the right word, but I use it because it's not, it wasn't an insurrection. The coup, the insurrection, the revolution, that happened on the 7th in the early morning hours.

It wasn't on the 6th, it was on the 7th when there was a vote taken to certify a fraudulent election. That's the understanding many of these people are coming with. Now, Karen Swallow Pryor is mimicking the same thing that elites in the media and Hollywood, and pretty much every other field you can think of are also saying.

They're signaling how emotionally disturbed they are about these images of people inside the Capitol, some broken mirror, broken glass here. Let me put this in perspective for you once again, I've put out a number of things about this because I was outside the Capitol.

I was there for the voter integrity rally, and I knew five other people in the crowd. None of us knew what was happening in the Capitol. There's about a million people there. And the people in the Capitol were at best a few hundred.

And of those people who made it into the Capitol, and this is a liberal estimate, guys, liberal estimate, meaning it's probably less than this, in my opinion, 60 maybe, 60 people involved with the storming, with using force to try to get in.

That's a liberal estimate. Most of the people who got in came behind those people and didn't know about the struggle that happened. Police in some videos were welcoming them in. They didn't know. This is a little more complicated than these puritanical individuals wanna make it, that it's just this black and white thing.

It's not. It's way bigger than that. And their sense of proportion is completely off. Now, it doesn't justify the damage done, some of the violence that happened, but to call this an insurrection, though, is just disingenuous.

It was a very confusing situation, if you look at it from a bird's eye view. If you look at it from just the people that were using force to get in the Capitol, if you wanna look at just them, then you'd have to say they were disorganized for the most part, unless, by the way, unless you wanna focus on John Sullivan and supposedly the police officer, the Capitol police officer who shot the young lady, who was a BLM activist of some kind, or there's some evidence to that effect, at least, the pipe bombs that were planted.

If you wanna look at those things as there's some premeditation going on or insinuating that there might've been, sure, okay, but then you're not looking at Republicans in the Senate motivating this, are you?

You're looking at probably people on the left that are planning and organizing it, and maybe some radical extremists on the right. I don't really know. There's a lot of smoke right now in the fog of war, and we may never know some of this stuff, to what extent was there planning beforehand, et cetera, but what we do know is, from even all the camera angles, it was very confusing, very confusing, and the goal seemed to be just to get in there to somehow, in some naive fashion, those who I'm putting, those who had the best construction on this, who really thought that they were doing something good in an ignorant way, they were going in to try to stop a revolution from taking place, because certifying a fraudulent vote, in their minds, that's what that would've been.

I don't see, how do you say that's an insurrection? Storming of the Bastille, you could say that's an insurrection. Very organized, very, with even military help, you had, I mean, typical revolutions, look at the Bolshevik Revolution, I mean, there's a lot more at play than just some confused people wandering around the Capitol, and some others who are trying to make their way to the halls of power, to notify their senators, or congressmen, to stop, to not certify a vote.

Some of them using, breaking things along the way. Some of them cleaning up things along the way. When trash cans got knocked over, you know, there's a bunch of them inside the Capitol, cleaning it all up.

So, to say this is an insurrection, that's just, it's a lie. I don't know how else to characterize it. It is a lie. I'm incapable of understanding how any member of the GOP can place a party above democracy.

Well, now she's making a few logical jumps. She's making the jump that Donald Trump motivated this somehow, and that GOP members who don't vote to convict Donald Trump are complicit with the worst things that happen inside the Capitol, and there were some bad things, which are certainly worthy of being condemned.

But there's two huge jumps here going on, and these are the exact jumps the media wants you to make. And they're stupid. They're actually crazy. The time sequence doesn't work. The people are already, the worst actors in this whole thing, the worst provocateurs had already, were already doing their thing before Trump had even finished his speech.

They weren't at the speech. Trump said to go make your voices heard, peacefully and patriotically. You can't put this on Trump at all. You can't put this on members of the GOP either, as somehow they, from sitting in their chamber, were part of this, or because they're not gonna stand up to Trump and impeach him that they're part of this.

They might be worried about the precedent that sets to impeach someone who's a private citizen. It hasn't happened before. So this is bigger than Donald Trump. This is about pushing a narrative, and Karen Saul Pryor is carrying water for that narrative, like you wouldn't believe.

And the concern for what happened on the 7th, not there. The concern for what happened all summer, not there. Hasn't been there. Not like this. One of the things, and I keep pointing this out, one of the things Jesus went after the Pharisees for was their sense of proportion.

They're trying to strain those gnats while swallowing camels. That's exactly what she's doing. That's exactly what you're seeing from the evangelical left. There is no standard that, no objective standard that doesn't change.

The standard changes a whole lot depending on who it is. And that's not justice. That's not justice. If justice is applying a standard faithfully, no matter who is the one that's being the provocateur or doing something wrong, it's the action that they're engaged in that makes it wrong, not who they are.

Karen Saul Pryor, you're engaging just like many, like David French, like Eric Erickson, like Russell Moore, you're engaging impartiality. And it's a sin and you need to repent. And that's all I have to say about that.

But I want you guys to see how this is being used and maybe think through ways of responding to it if you know people that believe that kind of thing. Here's the political context going on to sort of turn the heat up on this.

Who is benefiting from Karen Saul Pryor and what she's saying? Who's benefiting from this stuff? Well, here's an article in the New York Times recently. A century ago, white Protestant extremism marched on Washington.

And it's a picture of a bunch of Klansmen in the 1920s. Yeah, that's what happened on the 6th at the Capitol. It's a bunch of extreme Protestants. That's what it is. It's Christian. That's what motivated this.

How about the Politico, politico .com? It's time to talk about violent Christian extremism. They're not just going after Trump guys. They're going after Christians. If you can't see the writing on the wall, I don't know how to help you at this point.

These are just two examples. But people on the evangelical left are carrying the water for them. They're saying, yeah, those people are right. This is what's been happening. This whole anti-Christian nationalist thing.

Those are the hands they're playing into. People like that. And it's sad to see. So before, actually, we're gonna get here in a minute. But before we do, I just wanna put kind of a cap on this. Right now, we are in, this is like a postmodern dream right now.

You have different narratives. And it's very hard to know even who to trust, what narrative to trust. You look at mainstream outlets. Most of them are marching lockstep on this. You look at alternative news sites.

Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they're spouting things that sound kind of fringe and you're not sure. And I think that's the point. The confusion is the point right now. There are gatekeepers who want their narrative to be the right one, to be the one that you believe.

But sometimes they'll let controlled opposition out. Why do you think over the summer there was so much attention, and there still is, on Q? I don't go to the Q website. I don't know much about it. Things that people have sent me about Q are usually cryptic and vague, and I can't make heads or tails out of any of it.

I don't know what the... To me, it just was never beneficial or helpful. But why do you think so many mainstream organizations want to talk about Q so much and shine lights on Q? And CNN the other day just did this investigation into a Q group and stuff.

They want those people to be the ones that stand against them. They want... That's called controlled opposition. They want to platform that group as these are the ones, and we're only gonna let you see them through our lens, by the way.

That's why they went after Marjorie Taylor Greene. We're gonna characterize her the way we're gonna characterize her. And that's our opposition. So you have a binary choice now. It's not Democrats, Republicans, although it kind of can play into that politically.

It's bigger than that. It's a culturally bigger thing. It's either with the people who are friends of democracy and civility, and they don't believe in what happened on the 6th. They want to condemn that.

Or you're with these nutcases who believe in Q. That's the dichotomy they want to sell to us. And of course, within that whole conspiracy theory world is Christian nationalists, and I mean, the list just goes on of all the villains that they want to put in this category.

But they want to make them into cartoon characters. That's why Phil Vischer's being so, I think, successful in that group right now. Because he was someone who did cartoons. And so he can do the stereotypes and stuff.

And that's what it's become. It's cartoon politics at this point. And it's within the postmodern kind of framework. Truth, objective truth does not matter. What actually happened on the 6th, you don't have investigative journalists going after it.

What actually took place, who planned it, what groups, you don't have any investigative journalists from the mainstream media even caring about those kinds of questions. It's all about painting a narrative and vilifying a certain class of individuals.

And Karen Swallow Pryor and people like her are carrying the water for them. They're believing the nonsense. And as a literature person, you'd think she'd know about narrative. It's sad. Now here's a question that it's come up a few times.

And I've thought, I'm not gonna go talk about this because it's inconsequential, but you know what? I've thought, no, it's not. It actually is a consequential. So let's talk about it. This is something Daryl Harrison, which by the way, I love.

You should subscribe if you haven't. If you like podcasts, and he hasn't paid me, no one's paid me to say this, but the Just Thinking podcast, I think Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker do a great job, by the way.

So these are friends. These are not, I'm not going after them in a vicious way or even going after them. I just, I have maybe a respectful disagreement. And maybe now I don't even have that. I don't know.

I think, I appreciate just about everything I've heard from Daryl Harrison. So I need to say that up front. Here's what he tweeted though. And he's not the only one that feels this way. He said, Christian entities like Lagos, Lifeway, and others need to realize that the woke bandwagon they're climbing onto is merely a fad.

A trend that eventually will fade away, just like all the predecessor fads and trends before this, because it doesn't change people's hearts. Now there's, I think there's a point there. I think he's making actually a very good point that it's, a false gospel is not gonna change people's hearts in the same way the true gospel is gonna change people's hearts, not in a redemptive way, right, at least.

But does it change, does it warp people's hearts? Yes, it does. I mean, so technically it kind of does change people's hearts. It's just not the Holy Spirit doing it, right? So like, pick the example we just had.

Karen Swallow Pryor and the road she's going, she'll never vote for Republican again. Her social media presence, in my opinion, is probably increasing. She's very popular, as are a number of others in that same movement.

And I don't see this going away, guys. And the reason I bring this up isn't because of Daryl Harrison. It's just that that was where it caught my eye this last week, that same narrative. I know people like Todd Friel have said this.

I think Phil Johnson has said this, who, by the way, love them both. Probably listened to more Todd Friel than maybe 10 years ago or so than almost anyone else. Phil Johnson, love him to death, I really do.

Again, please don't. If anyone says John went after Daryl Harrison, Phil Johnson, Todd Friel, nope, didn't do it. I did not. So that would be a lie. Don't say that because I didn't and I'm not. I have a possibly, and this is only possibly, a respectful disagreement with how they're thinking about or gauging the intensity and importance of this issue.

I think it has lasting power. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think I am. I think that the social justice movement is, it's been compared to the emergent church. Like it's just like the emergent church, a blip on the radar.

No, the social justice movement is different than the emergent church in these ways. It's politically motivated and funded. It's a political religion. And all the power of big business and Hollywood and education and government are all behind it.

You can't get away from it. The emergent church never had that. So that's another thing. There's a secular, there's a parallel secular religion, secular Marxist inspired, postmodernist inspired religion that is already formed and forming in front of us.

And the social justice evangelicals are just parroting what they're seeing in that world. That's what it is. But it is a religion. This is different than the seeker sensitive, we're just gonna have motorcycles in our church and do cool music.

That wasn't motivated by a secular religion. This is, this has staying power. It has lasting power. It's well funded by government entities even. Their stakes are very high. These decisions that are happening on all these business and governmental levels are affecting people for years to come.

This is more akin to what we saw in Nazi Germany during the German Christian movement. When there was a movement of Christians who wanted to ingratiate themselves to the state and the Nazi narrative. And so they reconfigured their Christianity into the shape of Hitler's agenda.

They used it to reinforce whatever Hitler's agenda was and cut out or de-emphasized all the areas that would have contradicted what Hitler believed. So that's what we see going on right now. That's what you see in the social justice movement and evangelicalism.

And we see this playing out because they have, they are incapable of fighting for Christian gender beliefs, all the things going on in sports right now. They're not outraged about that. They're not outraged about what Biden's doing in promoting abortion, getting rid of policies that Trump administration had put in place to limit abortion.

They're not outraged by court packing. They're not outraged by environmentalism, killing jobs. And actually even this morning I saw with Danny Akin, president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, looking forward to the dreamers becoming citizens.

They're not outraged by illegal migration. Look at all the things that they're not outraged about and then look at what they are outraged about. Systemic racism, what happened, the narrative that there was voter fraud.

These are the things that outrage them. They're going to de-emphasize the things, especially those things that are actually overtly biblical. I think of gender roles, et cetera. They're gonna de-emphasize those things, not talk about them, they're not important when the left wants to destroy the fabric of our society by destroying women's sports, destroying the family.

And then, destroying competition really. And then what they wanna do is walk hand in hand with them when it's something they feel like they can manipulate scripture to support. So scripture talks about justice, therefore systemic racism.

We're gonna buy into that whole narrative and say it's wrong and scripture's against it and we'll walk with you on that. That's what you see going on. It's very similar to what happened during the German Christian movement.

And that's more of a parallel. It's not the emergent church, it's the German Christian movement. If you're looking for a parallel. I think Michael O 'Fallon from Sovereign Nations had a good take on this.

And here's what he said. He said, I love my brother, Daryl Harrison, but I would clarify that we are witnessing the largest move of a totalitarian cult in the history of mankind. The woke movement is meant to transform everything, everywhere, and to introduce the cult's new system.

The role of the new subjective metaphysic in the fourth industrial revolution is necessary in providing the semi-spiritual vacuum that fascist movements need to transcend the physical, the real, and the objective.

But the new religion must be completely integrated to the new system and the new paradigm, the new doctrinal morality that guides all. Intersectionality is the perfectly synchronized algocracy. Here's what he's saying.

I know there's some big words in there. Saying that, this is a new religion that is forming everywhere around us. And intersectionality breaks through the objectivity that the fascist government, he's saying fascist, needs this authoritarian, controlled merger of business and government together.

That central authority needs to transcend the physical, the real, the objective, to be able to get done what they need to have done. They need people to believe things that aren't true. And that's how they're moving.

And so this is much bigger than just a fad that's happening in the church. Yes, there are some people that probably are, hey, we can get new members if we just go along. I get it. And Daryl Harrison's right about that.

But this has lasting power beyond that. And I think the reason this actually is important is because it will affect the way that we approach it. If it's just a fad, and I see this playing out, guys. If it's just a fad, then you can just outlast it.

That's all you have to do. You just have to wait long enough, and the fad goes away. What do you do with other fads? You wait 10 years, or one year sometimes, depending on how long a fad lasts. I mean, 10's a long time.

We don't like perms or whatever. Wait, wait, and long hair. Wait, wait a few years, and it's no longer perms and long hair. I mean, those are fads. I can't stand listening to that, whatever music. Backstreet Boys.

I don't like listening to Backstreet Boys. Well, it's a fad. It's gonna go pretty soon. This isn't like that, guys. It's not. I mean, people were saying this, because I remember, people were saying this years ago.

Like, 2018, MLK 50, ah, it's just a fad. Yeah, it's stronger now than it was then, guys. And it's gained steam and momentum. So I think it will fight it harder. We won't try to outlast it. Oh, and let me just, one more thing.

I should probably tell you what I think outlasting it would look like. If you were gonna try to outlast something, all you would do, this is what I would do if I was gonna try to outlast something, maybe, knowing that it's not gonna be a threat soon.

I would build alternatives, alternative institutions and groups and whatever, to those that are pushing the false narrative. And I would probably, because it's gonna be just temporary, I wouldn't want to name names.

I wouldn't wanna call out people too harshly, because I realize they're gonna be, their eyes have been glazed over, but they're gonna open their eyes when the fad's over, and they're gonna realize, oh, it was just a fad, and they'll move on, and that's all it is.

And I'm just not gonna be as harsh against them. I'm gonna want to recruit them. I'm not gonna name names. It's probably not what I'm gonna do as much. I'm not going to sound the alarm bells about this horrible religion.

I'm not gonna produce. Why would I produce material? Why would I write a book on it? Which, by the way, I'm doing right now. But why would I write a book on it if I was the head of a big ministry on social justice?

Have you wondered why conservative groups haven't put out much material on this in evangelicalism? And I, look, and I don't have the answers to all these questions, and I'm not going after any particular ministry, even though names of ministries are popping up into my head.

But think of seminaries, think of organizations, think of the ones that maybe even you support that are conservative, and ask yourself, have they been producing material on this issue? Maybe they have material on all sorts of other things.

The charismatic movement, maybe. They go after that. Maybe they'll go after the prosperity gospel. Maybe they'll go after other cults. But this is the one thing that, you know, if you want to find their material on it, maybe it's a few sermon quotes here or there, or a few, you can't find much.

There's not a book, there's not a video series, there's not a small group guide, there's not, it's none of that stuff that they have for other things. And that makes sense if you think you're just trying to outlast a fad.

But if you don't think you're trying to outlast a fad, if you think that this is a threat to not just the church, quote unquote, but to everything that you hold dear, your family, your local community, the organizations, the civic organizations you're involved in, if you think intersectionality is a threat to your very existence, your business, everything that you believe, and it is a true new religion that is coming down the pike, then you're going to fight it with everything you have.

And I think there's a big separation here, that's my opinion, between some people who are conservative on this issue, but don't think it's a threat, and the people who do. And by the way, Daryl Harrison, in my opinion, is one of the guys who does more, he does name names and he does go after this stuff.

So actually he's not the best example of this. Daryl Harrison is probably one of the best voices that has done more to move the needle, I should say, than almost any other voice on the conservative side of this issue in evangelicalism, and I'm very grateful for him, and he's a wonderful brother.

So I just have perhaps a slight disagreement with this. And maybe if we talked about it now, maybe he would have, I think he even liked these tweets by Michael O 'Fallon, by the way, so I think he kind of gets it.

But I'm using that to make a bigger point, because he's not the only one that said this kind of stuff. A lot of people have said this kind of thing. So I wanted to make that point. I think it's very important we look at this as more than a fad.

We have to look at it as a false religion. I think James Lindsay actually said, I'm gonna read for you this thread, because I think James Lindsay said one of the most helpful things on this. And he's not a Christian, but that's actually the other thing that's almost a dividing line, is that those who understand Marxism well, and totalitarianism, and postmodernism, and how those things have worked from Jean-Jacques Rousseau up through the present, those who understand Rousseau, and Gramsci, and Foucault, and Marx, and all the Frankfurt School guys, Adorno, and Marcuse, and all the way up to the critical theorists like Derrick Bell, and Kimberly, Williams Crenshaw, those guys are the ones that seem to get what's happening more than anyone else.

I also see this with people who lived in Eastern Bloc countries under communism and stuff. They seem to understand what's happening better than anyone else. Cubans seem to understand what's happening better than anyone else.

So this is one of those areas where, yes, we need to know the Bible, absolutely. Study the Bible, be involved in your church. You need more than that to understand this, though. That's not against the sufficiency of scripture.

If you were gonna, this is just like any other discipline, you're gonna have to understand it so you can apply scripture to it. And I think we're lacking in many ways in that area. There's a lot of people that they wanna say something about this, but they're gonna stick to the ecclesiocentric, church-centered, kind of that bubble, and only as it affects the ecclesiastical structure in the church will they say anything, and they don't understand what they're actually dealing with.

That, I've seen this tendency. And so I think because James Lindsay, though he is not a Christian, understands totalitarianism so well, he's read all the primary sources and so forth. He has an insight into what's actually happening, and maybe what a good way to react would be.

Now, I think as a Christian, we can bring biblical principles into this. Maybe I will, but let me just read for you what he says here. He says, people keep asking me how we win this. We don't win, LOL.

We throw sand in the gears and wait for the thing to grind itself into its own destruction. Hope we don't lose everything in the process and start rebuilding after the catastrophe ends. Winning has left the building.