Does morality evolve with Culture

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Amen. All right. Hi, everyone. Thank you for joining us. And I am Stacey with throughout all ages ministry, and 1530 apologetics. And what we do is we go into the public high schools to build up the students character to intellectually think about their worldview and weigh it with truth.

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And today I am excited about our speaker. He is my son, Joe Gaona Jr. And I am thrilled one of my favorite speakers. And so anyways, Joe Gaona Jr. has has been in ministry since 2001. As a pastor, missionary, and worship leader, God has opened doors for him to teach the Word of God in churches, conferences, camps and high schools within the United States, as well as internationally.

His preaching style is expositional, with a focus on finding Christ in biblical texts. Currently with his wife and four children, he serves at Calvary Chapel Santee. Tonight's title is does morality evolve with culture?

All right, Joe, I'm excited and go ahead and take it over.

The Origin of Morality and Whether It Is Subjective

All right, sounds great. Thank you, mom. Appreciate the the introduction. And I just want to say guys, I'm very thankful for this opportunity. And, and so I hope I'm gonna, I'm gonna multitask here, but I'm gonna try to share my screen, but then also talk.

I was watching some of these videos. And I kind of noticed like when it was only on the screen sharing, it just kind of was like, it kind of got slow paced. And so I don't know, it's just a way to connect with everybody.

But anyway, yeah, thank you for having me here, guys. And I think this is a big question. You know, let me see if I can start it now. In fact, I think it's a big question. Can you guys see the screen here?

Are you guys able to see this?

Yes, yes, we can show.

Okay, perfect. From here on out, just let me know if you can't see it. But I'm going to go back and forth between the screen and and also just me talking. But yeah, this is an important question. Does morality evolve with culture?

I mean, we're living right now, everything going on amongst us right now, you know, really just the, the subtitle kind of explains it well, which is that in an ever changing world, how can we trust that moral truth does not evolve with culture?

And how can we determine when to stand firm? And when to allow freedom regarding the teachings and precepts of God's Word? So that's what I want to dive in today, I'm hoping to kind of methodically work our way through it.

Because it's an interesting question, you know, so many people right now are, are working through that. And I think our society as a whole, pretty much believes that morality does evolve with culture.

So let's, let's work our way through this, you know, does morality evolve with culture? And let's start with, let's start by talking about the origin of morality. So the origin of morality, so, so get into the definition of the word morality, because I think that might kind of help us get to, you know, what we're what we're trying to get to.

So I looked up the definition of morality, and it says that it's, it's conformity to the rules of right conduct, moral or virtuous conduct. And so then I looked up the word moral, and the word moral is defined as of relating to or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct, or the distinction between right and wrong.

And so what we're diving into today, guys, is what we define as moral philosophy. It's the branch of philosophy that contemplates and explores the nature of morality. And, and so that's what we're doing right now, we're kind of contemplating this.

And, you know, just like a good superhero movie, we have a lot of superhero movies out these days, right. And, and every time you watch a superhero movie, there's always they always have an origin story.

And that's what makes it so meaningful. And so, you know, same thing, one of the key factors to contemplate, when it comes to any type of idea that's out there that strongly affects the way we live, is to figure out its origination.

You know, how did morality originate? What I mean by that is, is morality a social construct that we created to protect human civility, as we're being told that's what it is right now? Or is it a universal principle that exists, whether we believe in it or not?

I want to say that again, because that was a lot of verbiage there, right? Two choices really what it comes down to is it, is it just a social construct that we created, just so that we can have just civility, you know, with, with our society?

Or is it a universal principle that exists, whether we believe in it or not? And what I mean by that guys, is that, is it a real law that exists beyond our imagination? Like gravity, or heat or energy, right?

These are things that exist, even if we believe in them or not, right? Like, we cannot believe in gravity. But obviously, if you jump off a building, you know, it's going to happen. And so it doesn't matter, because gravity exists.

It's real, it's a real thing. Or is it a man is morality, a man made idea accepted by people in society, a man made idea is something like, you know, the 40 hour work week schedule, right? I don't think we're always working 40 hours a week.

In fact, when you read the Bible, it says that a man is supposed to work six days a week and then rest on the seventh, right? So we created this, this kind of social construct, this idea, which is the 40 hour work week, it's not really a, it's not a real thing in itself, it doesn't exist, except for the fact that we, that we created it, and then we accept it as a society.

Right? Does that make sense so far? So if it's a social construct, if morality is a social construct, then in essence, it's kind of like the 40 hour work week, morality only exists, because we say it exists.

And if that is the case, then morality can only be defined as subjective. Right? So the main factor in determining whether something is subjective rather than objective, is if the idea can be redefined, and changed based on the opinions of the individual, or society as a whole, if they can be redefined by the individual, if they can be changed based on the society, right, then this thing is really not objective, it's subjective.

For instance, you know, a good, something that's subjective is happiness, right? The term happiness, some people, they are happy going out to a fancy restaurant, hanging out with friends, they're extroverted, right?

And so they like going out, they like hanging out with friends, they like the social scene, while others would find that exhausting, right? And so instead, they find happiness by staying at home, reading a book, you know, kind of being by themselves, right?

And so we find happiness based on our within ourselves, it's subjective, to how we feel how we think. Now, the pitfalls of treating morality, as a subjective idea, is, I actually believe is extremely dangerous when you begin to think about it.

Okay, so if morality is subjective, if it can just be redefined here and there, and over there, this individual in this, or even the society, right? If it can be redefined, then honestly, good and evil can be redefined.

That's kind of interesting to think that good and evil can be redefined, good and evil can be redefined. Let's think about this, then what we did good prior could actually be evil. Right? And so now we're in this kind of like circle of going, well, wait a minute, is what we think is good.

And this is what's kind of happening with society right now. What happens when if good and evil can be redefined over and over and over again, then really, if it's subjective, if everyone can redefine it as they will, then really, there's no validity for judgment.

There's no validity for offense, right? Have you noticed that no matter what you are, if someone commits an atrocity against you, if someone commits a sin, right? What we call a sin or will commit an evil deed, right?

No matter who you are, no matter how you think about morality, you will cry out against it. For instance, if you're walking with your bike, and someone comes runs up, pushes you grabs your bike and takes off.

I can't see anybody who would just sit there and say, Oh, well, you know, that's, that's just what it is, right? I mean, that person thinks it's good to take what they need. So you know, it is what it is.

No, they cry out. Hey, hey, stop, stop. That's mine, you know. And so they're to say that's mine to cry out, stop, you know, anytime you see a comment like that, you're believing your your worldview or your presupposition is that there is validity to judgment, there's validity to offense, which which is actually implying that there is a standard of good and evil that is outside of yourself, right?

Or an outside of everyone. So I'm getting ahead of myself, though, let's stick to this. If if morality is subjective, there is no validity for judgment, there is no validity for offense, right? So now no one can judge anybody, no one can cry out against any atrocity, because really, it doesn't matter.

And then if that's true, then it also the second extremely dangerous thing about treating morality subjectively, is that it leads to chaos. I mean, it's the path of chaos, everything is constantly being redefined.

You can never know, when you're doing something good, you can never know when you're doing something evil. Everything is being redefined. And then even our even our communication begins to change. Because I can, you know, how can I tell you, hey, don't do this?

Or how can I, you know, right, like everything starts starts to become chaotic, because it can be redefined. And then lastly, the reason why it becomes extremely dangerous is, and again, this is presupposing that human life and civility is a moral thing is a good thing, because you would have to presuppose this moral subjectiveness, it actually gives an open door for a society to come in at any time and create dogma that brings forth death and destruction a lot like Nazi Germany, right?

Where they come in, they bring this dogma, that everyone begins to buy into, you know, that they we have to create this, you know, this perfect race, right? And every other race, you know, it doesn't matter what happens to them, in order for us to have this higher goal.

Well, you buy into this dogma, and it brings forth death and destruction. So it's really scary. It's a really scary thing if you treat morality as subjective. Now, here's the other thing, though, if morality is a universal principle, like it's real, it exists, okay, it's not we didn't, it's not a social construct.

It's not an idea. It's a universal principle, just like gravity, just like energy or heat, then that means that there is an objective moral code that's out there in the world today. There's actually a moral code that's out there, outside of you outside of me outside of our society outside of culture that exists, right?

Because gravity doesn't change based on culture, right? Heat, energy, the way energy works, it doesn't change based on culture, it is what it is. And it does what it does, because it's a thing and exists on its own.

And and if morality is the universal principle, that means that it does the very same thing. It is what is it does what it does, it exists on its own. And if this is true, let's keep going down this rabbit hole, then morality or good and evil are just as real and absolute as every other principle that we have.

Meaning we don't get this, we don't get a say into what is good. And what is evil. The only the only thing that we can do at this point, then, just like we do with gravity is to experiment to, to look into it to discover what is already there, to discover what is already good, and discover what is already evil.

That's, that's all we have, right, just like we do for every other principle in this world. But let's keep going down this rabbit hole, if there is an absolute code of morality, that transcends the individual transcends society, then it must come from a being who transcends humanity and creation, it has to because where else does this intellect come from, right?

It has to come from a being that transcends humanity and even creation. Even further down the rabbit hole, you can figure out characteristics of this being, this being must be all knowing. Right? Because if he's not all knowing, he doesn't know all things.

And how can he tell you what is good and what is evil? Right? If he doesn't know all things, he might one day learn, oh, wait a minute, that thing I was calling good is now evil. So now I got to go change it all up.

Okay, well, then it will now it's it's all in chaos again, right? So he must be all knowing. The other thing is that he must be never changing, because if he's changing, right, if he's changing, then also his moral code is going to change.

And that means good and evil will change. And that means that what you were doing as good is now evil. And also, when can you ever trust it, right? If good is going to be changing, all the time, you never know when it's going to change, then then how can you say it's good?

You can't, right? So this being must be all knowing, must be never changing. The other thing, though, is that this being must be altogether good. Altogether good. Even if it has even if this being has one ounce of evil, well, he could be doing a prank, right?

He could tell you that it's good, but but he may not even know because he's evil. Right? I hope I'm not losing too many people with this. I know we're going down this rabbit hole. But this is what happens when you begin to think through logically what's going on here.

You're like, oh, wait a minute. Like, this being, he must be all knowing, he must be never changing, he must be altogether good, or else good and evil, objectively just can't exist. So he must be altogether good.

And he also must have because he is altogether good, he must have the same moral code, the same moral compass, as the moral code that exists, that is out there in this world. So whatever is already good, whatever is, you know, already evil, he also sees good as good and evil as evil.

Make sense so far? Goes even a little bit further. If that's the case, then the being must also be not only our creator, but our judge. Because why else is there a moral code out there? Why else is there good and evil out there in this world?

This person must also be our judge. Now what's interesting is I finished all that right about this being is, there's this verse, it's a beautiful verse in Hebrews 11, verse six, and it says this, it says, but without faith, it is impossible to please him.

For he who comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. Okay, so in that verse, guys, what it's saying is, is without faith, it's impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe three things.

All right. He must believe that God exists, believe that God is a rewarder, which means a judge. And he also must believe that it comes from diligently seeking the Lord. That's the moral code. The moral code is founded upon this one principle, seeking God diligently.

We see those three things in that verse. And it explains everything that we would come to logically just thinking about morality. It's kind of interesting. I love how the Bible does that. Logically, we come to these conclusions.

And then we look at the Bible and we're like, oh, there it is. Everything that we were kind of thinking was already written down for us to see. By the way, one of my favorite things to say to scientists, because for some reason, I'm not saying all scientists, but you know, the science field, right?

They have a bit of, not everyone, okay, so don't get me wrong, but they have a bit of arrogance, right, as if they almost treat, like when they come to a new principle, or a new, you know, thing or whatever, they almost treat it as if they created it, almost as if they invented it themselves.

And really, though, if you think about it, all that science is, is us discovering for the first time, ancient truths that have already been around forever. Basically, it's like when a two year old realizes, oh, snow's coming down from the sky, like, oh, wow, you know, and yeah, that two year old might feel intelligent and might think, wow, this is so profound.

Yet it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, snow. Okay, come on, let's, let's move on, you know, and so really, we shouldn't be arrogant, as we begin to discover these truths, it should humble us, we should go, wow, it took us this long to figure out that the universe is a, sorry, that the earth is a sphere.

Wow, it took us this long to barely figure out atoms. We just discovered it, you know, it should, it should really humble us when we begin to do that. And so, yeah, I mean, because these are ancient truths.

So anyways, let's continue. What is the Bible say about the morality? Because that's important, right? I, my presupposition is that, that God's, you know, that God exists, and his word is given to us to reveal these ancient truths to us.

So what does the Bible say about the origination of morality? Well, the first thing I want to point out is that God is the source of all things good. Okay, so this is found in James chapter one, verse 17.

James chapter one, verse 17, it says, every good, and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of life, with whom there is no variation, or shadow due to change. All right. So this passage is stating that the essence of goodness and everything that is good in this world, it comes from God, which means that it belongs to God.

Like God is, is allowing us to partake, but it's his, it belongs to him. And he's letting us partake of it right now. So everything good in this world that we are experiencing, guys, we have to realize is a gift.

And we are to be thankful for every single good and perfect gifts, because it really belongs to God. And he's only allowing us to taste it. And if you think about it, when it comes to the end, right, when people desire to reject God and be separated from God, a lot of people don't realize that what they're really saying is that, you know, God, I want to be, I want to be separated from you.

But what they don't realize is that they're also going to be separated from every good thing that exists in this world, which is what we call hell, right? Which is to be eternally separated from God. In hell, there is nothing good, because all good things belong to the Lord.

In hell, there is only things that are evil, like fear, doubt, frustration, anger, bitterness, right? Hatred, right? All these things exist there, because those are outside of God. In God is everything good.

The other thing that this scripture tells us is that God does not change, right? There's no variation or shadow due to change. That is an amazing truth to come to realize, wow, God does not change. A lot of people look at God as this ancient being who is telling us relics from days past.

That is not how I see the Lord. Okay, God is actually, if you think about it, He's this, He knows the future. He has gone into the future. He knows all things, sees all things, you know, all things consist because of Him.

He knows the future. And He's basically, if you kind of think about it, it's almost better to kind of see it as this. He's coming back in time to tell us what the future is and say, Hey, I'm telling you right now, this is the truth.

This is, you know, this is what the future is going to look like. So live in these values that I've written in my word, because this surpasses the culture that you live in today. He knows what the future is.

He surpasses all culture. He's not an ancient God that speaks old relics that make no sense to us. He is so beyond our culture. He is so beyond what we could, you know, ever imagine or think or come to realize, right?

And He's just, He's laying it out for us and saying, Hey, look, I know the truth. This is the truth. God does not change. Thus, what's cool about that is that morality really did not have an origination.

If you think about it, morality did not have an origination because morality is everlasting. Why? Because God is everlasting. Morality is in God. And if God is everlasting, that means that good always existed, right?

Creation, Goodness, and the Origin of Evil

Hey, sorry to interrupt Joe, but we do not see your PowerPoint, just so you know. We have not seen it.

Yeah, yeah, it was it was like, I was like, you know, it's going to be too difficult to jump back and forth.

Okay, just double checking.

Yeah. So I just left that to the dust. Sorry, guys. Um, let's see we were talking about morality, not having truly an origination because it's everlasting with God. Scripture, we see that as God created all things.

There is a phrase, as God created all things, there was a phrase that was repeated over and over. Do you guys remember what that what that was? I'm so used to like, connecting with the crowd. So I forgot everything.

I forget everyone's muted right now. So maybe mom, you can unmute if you want to answer something. Exactly. God saw that it was good, right? That phrase was repeated over and over and over. It's kind of funny.

A lot of times we read, you know, the Bible, people will read the Bible and not really even think about the principle that's being set in place. But God was telling us that creation was created good. Right?

It was good. All things were good when it when God first created, when everything came into existence through him. But creation was created in God's goodness, and all things were good. And then we get, you know, we kind of like, zoom into man, humanity, right?

And Genesis chapter one, verse 26, and 27. It says, Then God said, Let us make a man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the, over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock, over all the earth and over every creeping being that creeps on the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God, he created him, male and female, he created them. So we see in this scripture that mankind was unique from all other scriptures in the fact that God made man in his image after his likeness, right?

So goodness exists before man is created. Man is created with the capacity to be moral beings. And thus the origination of morality for mankind begins. It's really not the origination is more like just it begins for us, right?

Morality is already there. But for us, morality begins when God breathes life into Adam. But what of evil? We've been talking about good, but what of evil? Did God create evil? We see that goodness has always existed.

Evil though, check this out. Evil is simply, it's simply agents with free will choosing to respond outside of God's goodness. I mean, that's really what it comes down to. Evil is free will agents choosing to respond outside of God's goodness outside of, of what belongs to God.

I know it sounds kind of interesting, but if you think about it, that's what we're doing. Every time we commit sin, every time we commit evil, we are, we are pulling from resources that are not from God.

If anything, you can actually say it's more like it's the absence of God, right? Evil is the absence of good. When Adam ate the fruit, it was not, it wasn't the act of the fruit that was evil. If you think about it, like what, you know, if you really think about the practical, the pragmatic thing that Adam did, it was he ate a fruit.

Okay. Well, what's, what's wrong with eating a fruit? I mean, geez, it was just, it was just a fruit, but it wasn't the act of fruit that was evil. It was that he was choosing to rebel against God. He was, his response was, I don't want to do this with you, God.

I want to do this outside of you. He was choosing to create his own moral code. Romans chapter five, verse 12, it says, it says this, it says, therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man and then death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sin, right?

And, and that's where we see that, you know, you can say evil kind of originates, you know, evil is just the absence of goodness. But what, you know, now it's here, we have this moral code where we can see, okay, that's good.

And that's evil. But what we're really saying is that is of God. And this is outside of God. That's what we're really saying. So anything evil is just outside of God. The Bible declares that God's law was written in our hearts, but was also revealed to us through the written word of God.

So, so we can see that through scripture, it says that God has written the law in our hearts, like, you know, it's a basically meaning that it's, it's an innate thing to have the law in us, we, we know, what is what is good and evil.

And we have the capacity to do what is good. Romans chapter two, verse 15, states this, that it's written in our hearts. And then James chapter two, verse 10, it says, for whoever keeps the whole law, but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

Right? And so that's, that's where the gospel comes into play, because all obviously, we have all broken God's law. And we all have all become guilty of this law of God's holiness, really. So, so now what I want to get into, that's, that's just the first point, guys, it's the, you know, the origination of morality.

Now, what I want to get into is the immutability of morality. I mean, we're kind of already touching it. But I kind of want to restate my case as to why morality must be objective, immutable, never changing.

Okay, it's really important, because that's kind of the, that's the core of really understanding what morality is. And to understand that, it's going to lead us to all the truths of the gospel, right, that that we are in need of a Savior, that we are sinners, that we're in need of a Savior, that the only way to become righteous is, is by putting our faith and trust in Jesus Christ, it's to understand the immutability of morality.

And so there's three points that I want to, that I want to dive into on that. Okay. If I could do this, I guess I'll try, share my screen. This is, I actually did practice this, but it's a little bit harder when you're when you're right in the thick of it.

Let's see here. Alright, so the second point that we're going to get into is the immutability of morality. And I want to, I want to look at three things that I believe validates this truth, which is there's philosophical validity, there's pragmatical validity, and there's biblical validity.

And so I want to talk about these three points with you guys right now. So, so the first thing, philosophically, philosophically, if morality is subjective, we already kind of went through this already, but restate it really quick.

If morality is subjective, then it only exists because we say it exists. There is no validity to judgment or offense, right? And if no judgment or offense, and think about that, guys, let's go down that rabbit hole.

That means then shame is not real. Guilt is not real. Justice is not real. Virtue is not real. Forgiveness is not real. And on and on and on. So many things that we that we describe and that we actually feel within ourselves, right?

As we, as we do these things, they're not real. It's a figment of our imagination based on a social construct that we created and accepted. That is, that's kind of humiliating if you think about it, right?

I mean, that's kind of humiliating. If that's the truth, we all should be pretty humiliated that we're believing in a fairy tale. And it's creating all these strong emotions in us. It's also sad, because if you think about it, anytime we cry out for justice, it's not real.

It's not true. It's a made up thing. It's a really sad point. Now, the second thing is that philosophically, if you begin to think about it, it leads to chaos, because it can change. It can be redefined, right?

And we're actually seeing this right now. For instance, the word justice. Right now, we have so many different words for the word justice, because it's being redefined, right? And they, people like that word justice, because it, you know, everyone loves justice, right?

But now I'm going to add a different word in front of it. And it's going to mean something entirely different. Social justice, distributive justice, environmental justice, corrective justice. You see, when you say, do you believe in justice?

I want to ask you, well, what do you mean by that? I have to know what you're actually talking about. Because we've redefined this word in our society to try to change morality. And so what happens is you say one thing, I say another, right?

We redefine it, the next day it changes. Now, communication doesn't even matter. There's no value to communication anymore, because tomorrow I can say, well, when I said that word, I meant this. And we're seeing this play out right now in society.

And it's actually really scary. I don't know if you guys saw, but you know, the protests that took place, wherever your political standings are, I mean, just think about this. I mean, really just think about this.

Okay. So for a year, we saw people protest in the streets, and they were burning buildings, locking police officers in their own precinct and setting it on fire. They were throwing things through windows, right?

I mean, just destroying cities. And then we'd see them get off on no cash bail, right? They just get set free, they didn't have to put any money down, they'd get set free, they'd get off on bail, right?

And you begin to see that. And so then you begin to think, oh, okay, I guess that's what protesting means, right? I guess if you protest, you know, then that's what it means. And you're not going to get in trouble.

And then we saw, as you guys know, what happens January 6, we see that the other side, if you will, I don't really know if it's the other side, but we see, you know, these people come and they cause what is called the insurrection right now, right?

Which is these people come to the Capitol, and they march into the Capitol, and what do they do? Well, windows get broken, and things get, lecterns get taken, right? And really, guys, we all know, no matter where you stand, we all know that those things are wrong, right?

Those things are wrong to do. But the injustice is that these people got treated completely different than the other people that did pretty much the same thing, if not worse, right? These, the people on January 6, they got put in jail for months and months and months, they got, you know, their bank accounts frozen, they got, I mean, there's so many things that happened to them.

And they and see, we used to be in the United States of America, we used to be what you would call a land of the law, we weren't a land of the people, we're a land of the law, which is actually good. It means, hey, if the law states this, it doesn't matter who you are, or who you know, if the law states this, then that's what it is, become a land of the people where we're kind of just like, you know, because morality is becoming subjective.

It's like, well, hey, you know, if you protest for this, it's good. But if you protest for that, then it's bad. If you bash, if you break buildings, and you know, smash windows and all this for this cause, well, it's not so bad.

But if you do it for this cause, then okay, then that's really bad. Right. And so we're seeing this happen in our society today. And it's really scary, because it's, it's really injustice. It's like, wait a minute, shouldn't they both be wrong?

Shouldn't they both get the same penalty for what they've done? You know, and that's what it should come down to. Now. So we see the trouble philosophically, also pragmatically, okay, pragmatically. What I mean by this is that, like, you know, on a practical level, like in real life, right?

If, if morality was subjective, how could there be like, if we just kind of like, if it's a social construct, and we were just kind of making it up, it's kind of interesting to think, first of all, of the major unanimous approval with what is good.