Matt Slick exposes Roman Catholicism

Marian Dogma and the Catholic Catechism

I could tell you something about Mary that the Catholic Church teaches, it's like...

No, tell me something about Mary, seriously. Have you ever heard of Sam Harris? Yeah. Yeah, he's a smart guy. I'd say he might be smarter than you, Matt, but he's like... Oh, a lot of guys are. He's like really strong atheist.

Like, I love listening to opposing opinions. So like, if you want to try and like tell me what the heck is wrong with the Catholic Church, I don't care.

Sure, I can tell you. It teaches a false gospel and it promotes idolatry. Okay. Okay. So what Catholicism says in paragraph 268 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it says that you obtain salvation through faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments.

And that's a heresy. And all of the cults and all the false religious systems that are out there, that's what they teach. They teach the same thing. And so let me read you something. And come on, get in here.

Oh, you slimeball. Did I do that? It's a Watchtower, 1983, February 15th, no, April 1st, page 12. All right. Where it says the second requirement for salvation, the second requirement is more difficult.

That is to obey God's commands. That's right. That's true. To obey God's commands and conform yourself to his word and et cetera. So you obey commands in order to be saved. In Mormonism, in the Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25, 23, you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do.

In Moroni 10, 34, if you deny yourself of all ungodliness, that is God's grace sufficient to you. In Islam, in Surah 23, 101 to 102, that if you do enough good works, you're going to make it to heaven.

So let me just tell you something. If Jesus Christ is God in flesh and he is God in flesh and he became one of us under the law, Galatians 4, 4, and of course he never sinned and he bore our sin in his body, he did two things.

It's called active and passive obedience. Active and passive. Active obedience is he did everything that the law required perfectly. But he's God in flesh, perfectly in his intention, his hearts, his words, perfectly every second.

You and I could probably last two, three milliseconds. So he did perfectly for his entire life. That means he did everything right. That's his active obedience. His passive obedience is he let them take him to the cross.

They put him on the cross. They put nails into his wrist. It wasn't here in his hand. That's that part of the hand. And they nailed him. Okay. And he went to the cross and then our sin was imputed or reckoned to him on the cross.

He died with a sin. Now, is there anything we can add to that? No. We got nothing to add to that. Because to say, well, I got to do something else. I got to add something to that. Is to insult God who became one of us, never sinned, did everything perfectly, then bore all of our sin in his body on the cross, 1 Peter 2, 24.

To say, oh, we're saved by grace through faith after all we can do. Or we obtain salvation through faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments. Let me give you an illustration. Have you heard me talk about the cross?

Christ is there, the hill, and crawling up to it. Have you heard me talk about that? No, I have not. Imagine this. The cross is up there, and the Lord is there, and his blood is dripping out of his back, out of his wrists, out of his mouth, probably from when he was beaten.

Beard ripped from his face, feet pierced, and he's still alive. And that crucifixion is a horrendous way to die. I could talk, give more details about it. The blood is dripping down onto the ground, mixed with the filth on the ground.

And a Christian, a true Christian, is crawling up to that cross, but he won't look up. He won't look. He's not worthy to look at that cross. And he approaches so far, and his face is to the ground, tears dropping.

This is the place of redemption. But he hears from one side, he hears noise. There's another man crawling on his hands and his knees. And he's crawling with his face down. He's also weeping. And he crawls, and he passes up this first man, and he crawls up to the cross.

And he takes out of his pocket a list of his deeds, his baptism, his communion, helping the lady cross the street, keeping the commandments, not lying, all the stuff he's done. And he takes a little thing, and he tacks it onto the cross, and he humbly backs away.

And what he's hoping is that God himself will accept him into the kingdom based on what Christ did and what he did. That's the height of arrogance. It's the height of foolishness. Because all the false religions, and I've been studying this since 1980, all the false religions in the world add works to salvation.

It's Jesus and something. They don't realize that he's God in flesh. He is the truth. He is the one who did it all. He did everything. Are you going to say I've got to add to that? Well, we can't go out and sin, can we?

Well, no, we're not supposed to. We're to show him we love him. Absolutely. But those things don't judge us for salvation. They judge us for rewards or loss of rewards. What does Catholicism say? You obtain salvation through faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments.

So you observe the commandments to be saved. That's what Catholicism teaches. That's a damnable heresy. It'll get you to hell. And the reason is because it's crawling up to the cross and listing what you have done and saying, God will forgive me based on what Christ did and what I've done.

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And he likes this. He likes to be held upside down. And you see how big he is. I'll tell you some more here in a second. Look at this. Look at that. Look how big he is. And I'm six feet tall when I stand up.

So, yeah, we're gonna put a saddle on him and see if we can pull the car out of the mud with him. So we'll see. So this is why Catholicism is false among many things. And here's how it works in Catholicism.

People don't know. At your baptism, all of your original sin is washed away. Then you have all almost hurt him. You have this Catholic theology. I have an article written fully documented from Catholic sources.

So at baptism, all of your original sin is removed. If you died right there, you go to heaven. But if you look across the aisle and you go, man, she is fine. Okay, you just lost a little bit of the grace that's infused into your soul, which is paragraph 1999.

Grace is like a substance infused into your soul. Okay, well, that's a heresy itself. So it's infused into you. Well, you just lost a little bit of your grace. Then you die. Now you got to go to purgatory.

You got to do some suffering and be made worthy to be with God. Okay, so you look at her and you go, I shouldn't have looked at her. I thought what I thought. I shouldn't have done that. And so you go to the priest, right?

Okay, do the five Hail Marys, do the jumping jacks, do whatever you got to do. And the grace of God will be re-infused into your soul. So you've got to get that grace because the grace is like a substance that comes from God through the authority of the Catholic Church by the priest who has that authority.

And then by that, that's how you get grace re-infused. Take the Eucharist. You got to do the mass. You got to do penance. You got to do this. You got to do that. So grace is something that's like a commodity that you then obtain through the sacramental systems called sacerdotalism through the sacramental system of the Roman Catholic Church.

So what happens is you want your grace a hundred percent. But if it's down a little bit because you sinned and you die, you go to purgatory. And if it goes down far enough, you can lose your salvation.

So you got to go back to the church and it keeps you in the graces of God by its authority. So that's how salvation is wrought in Roman Catholicism through works. So many times I've said to the Catholics, so many times after we're talking about this and I'll say, so do you believe that we're saved by grace after everything you can do?

Yeah. I just quoted the book of Mormon to you. And Mormonism teaches God came from another planet. He has a goddess wife. They have sex in heaven, make spirit babies. Seriously. That's no joke. OK, so they teach.

All right. And that's that. Now, I'm going to set you up for a fall. Can I set you up? Yeah, go ahead. OK, you ready? All right. So paragraph 972. All right. 972. I've got this in my notes on Catholicism, which is 177 pages.

All right. When speaking of the church, her origin, mission and destiny, we can we conclude that there's no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. There's no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary regarding the church's origin, destiny and mission.

OK, no better way to conclude. I will get to that. Here it is. After speaking of the church, her origin, mission and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. Now, the Catholic catechism has called the Neil Loebstadt and the Stance of Approval that it's official doctrine and it be taught to all Catholics.

So I asked Catholics, I say, do you agree with that statement? You can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. They go, that's true. I said, what about Jesus? Well, you see, you know, you can look in the text there on the right.

It says private chat. Oh, but wait, there's more. OK, I'll read this. I'll give you a bunch of stuff here. All right. So what I'll do is I'll put this quote in there and hopefully it'll all go in there.

See the quote? See it in there? Yeah. OK. Christ alone truly offered the sacrifice of atonement on the cross. Now, there's about four or five sentences between this, but there's just not really necessary stuff.

I just put this in for the shortness. You can see where it is. You can go look. In the power of the grace of redemption merited by Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine son for men, made atonement for the sins of man.

What do you think of that? The grace of Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice, made atonement for the sins of man, readied the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. And Charlie put the link.

Into the page and you can go see the whole context. You can check it out on the CARM website.

I mean, on the surface, clearly it would, you know, like everybody talks about the whole like Mariology thing and that, yeah, that would point that out. What is, I'm just curious, what is the fundamentals of Catholic dogma?

Like who is Ludwig Bott?

He is a, it's a book that is sold in Catholic bookstores and it has the neologstat and the imprimatur, which means it's been approved by, I think, a bishop and nothing in it contradicts Catholic theology and it can be taught in Catholic churches.

Yeah. It's approved by.

The teaching magisterium as authoritative. Okay. Want some more? Sure. Okay. All right.

So I like to do these. I mean, I could do so many things, so many things. It depends on how much you want. Okay. So I just want your most compelling arguments. Oh, there's more. I'll tell you what I'll do.

Let me do this before I get to that. I'll do this. Okay. Oh, look at that. Mary is full of grace. We'll get into that one. Let's go into Mary not being subject to corruption. I asked Catholics, can you show me that in scripture?

And they can't. That's a big discussion. So how about this one? You can look in the text. Okay. By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and address ourselves to the mother of mercy, the all holy one.

Now Mary's the mother of mercy, the all holy one. Really? How about this? It was she, the second Eve, who freed from sin, original or personal, and always more intimately united with her son, offered him on Golgotha to the eternal father for the children of Adam.

So she offered him as if she's offering a sacrifice so he can look to Mary now. That's a lie. It was a sacrifice offered by God. Okay. Here's another one. The liturgical feasts dedicated to the mother of God and Mary in prayer such as a rosary, an epitome of the whole gospel, express a devotion to Mary.

It's not an epitome of the whole gospel. Check this out. Another one. Holy Mary, mother of God, we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her. She prays for us as she prayed for herself. Let it be to me according to your word.

By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her, I will be done. Okay. There's more. Okay. Here's another one. Mary is the perfect orans prayer, a figure of the church.

When we pray to her, we are adhering with her in the plan or to the plan of the father. You're praying to Mary, right? Okay. Now, there's some questions to ask. So Mary, I ask this of Catholics all the time in chat rooms.

I say, can she hear the prayers of people? Yes. Can she hear millions of prayers? Yes. Can she hear millions of prayers simultaneously? Yes. Spoken in thought? Yes. In different languages? Yes. Does she know the intentions of their heart so she knows how to answer the prayer properly?

Yes. It's idolatry. Catholics all over. Oh, yeah. She can hear millions of prayers simultaneously. Spoken thought, different languages, all over the world, know the intentions of their heart. They're attributing to her qualities of God.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Okay. I have a question for you. I got more to show you. Yep.

Just like in your framework of Christianity, specifically with that last one, what do you think would be feasible? Like, in your opinion, that do you think Mary could hear prayers from heaven or anything at all?

Let me explain something. Okay.

Coffee cup. It has a nature as an ontos. Ontology is a study of the nature of something. This cannot be my cell phone. The natures are different. Right? They're different natures. All right. You and I are human, and we have certain abilities.

We can run. We can tumble. We can swim. We breathe. We can think. We can speak. We are in one place at a time. It's our nature. We can't be everywhere all at once, because that's not our nature. The properties that we have exist because of the consistency.

The properties are relative to the nature. They emanate from the nature. So what the nature is declares what the properties are. So the properties of this cup has density, mass, has circularity, dried coffee in it.

It has volume, things like this, and color, this particular cup. So the properties are related to the ontos. All right. A human being has an ontological nature, has a nature in essence, and we know that what a human cannot be is everywhere all the time.

We know a human being cannot hear millions of prayers simultaneously. Those are the thoughts of other people all at once. That doesn't happen to us. We don't have that ability. But suddenly, Mary's in heaven, and now she can.

But if she was the same sinless individual on earth as in heaven, why the change? What changed in her nature that now the properties are now exorbitant and amplified? Well, the Catholics will tell me, God gave her the ability.

So if he said to me, I'm going to give you the ability to be the moon. I can't be the moon because the moon and my nature are not the same, and one nature cannot become the nature of something else without the nature ceasing.

There is no continuity. It does not work. But suddenly, Mary has this ability to be able to hear millions of prayers simultaneously, spoken thought, different languages all over the world, and know the intentions of people's hearts.

What human being can do that besides the Lord Jesus Christ and the reason he can do that? Because he's both God and man, and the attributes of his divinity are attributed to the one person of Christ, and that's called the communicatio idiomatum, the communication of the properties of both natures ascribed to the single person.

That belongs to Christ alone. Now what's happening is Mary has this attribution as well, and they say, but she's not divine. Well, then why does she have divine attributes? Because the properties of being able to access prayers of millions of people simultaneously is a divine quality.

Well, it's like the Eucharist. The sacrifice is the presence of God, so it's a non-bloody sacrifice. How do you have a non-bloody sacrifice? How do you have the blood of Christ be there without it being bloody?

How do you have water being there without something being wet? That's the nature of it. They hide behind mysticism and irrationality, and so with Mary, you know, she is the supreme minister of the distribution of graces.

Jesus sitteth at the right hand of the majesty on high. Mary sitteth at the right hand of her son. This is idolatry, okay? It just is. It's idolatry. Here's another one, see? There's that. Okay, she's the supreme minister to distribution of graces.

What? She's the one who distributes grace? Are you kidding? Now, she has to be the one who tells, who administers God's grace to each individual accordingly. And how about this one? Okay, how about this?

Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her son. This mother is waiting and preparing your home for you. Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 31, says that. Jesus is the one who's making a home for us, not Mary.

Okay, here's some more. Oh, I hit that, but it didn't go in. Sorry about that. My bad. Okay, and you can read that one. I thought I hit the key, but I didn't. All right, here's another one. The Blessed Virgin is invoked in the church under the titles of advocate, helper, benefactrix, mediatrix.

Wow. And how about this? Mary is the mother of the members of Christ. She's the queen over all things. Oh, I love this one. This one's good. Mary, by her manifold intercession, continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.

Okay, I mean, it's false. Okay, who crushed the head of the serpent? If you know the Bible, it's Jesus, right? Sure. Okay, all our hope do we repose in the most blessed Virgin, in all, in the all fair and immaculate one.

Someone, hello? Let me make sure my wife's okay. And there's somebody else in the house. You can see the text there.

Give me a minute. That's what we're doing. In the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world. Is that what you believe?

Is that what I believe? Yeah.

I have to repose in the most blessed Virgin, in all, in the all fair and immaculate one.

This is the Pope. This is the Pope speaking on a matter of faith and salvation.

Yeah, the Catholic Church I was brought up in, at least, said that Jesus was the one that brought salvation to the world. So, I had some rather well-grounded priests and nuns and catechism.

And you just said it was Jesus as well, Jeff. Yeah. So, who is it? Now Matt's back. We held.

The fort while you were gone. I was listening. Okay. How about this one? I'll just throw another one out. You, Mary, conceive the living God and by your prayers will deliver our souls from death. Wow.

Okay. So, let me go into apparitions. I'll paste them in. I do six of these. Three from Guadalupe in 1531 and three from Portugal in 1917. These apparitions are stated to be officially really Mary. The Roman Catholic Church has said these are really Mary, officially really Mary.

They've officially said, we know, we have authority. That's really Mary. Okay. Three statements I'm going to read from or I'll paste them in here. And here's the documentation so you can see this. This is where I got it.

I should check these to make sure the links are still there, but this is where it's from originally. Okay. And the apparition said, know, know for sure my dearest littlest and youngest son that I am the perfect and ever virgin Holy Mary.

Okay. Then it goes on a little bit later. The apparition said this, I am truly your merciful mother, yours and all the people who live united in this land and of all other people of different ancestries, my lovers who love me, those who seek me, those who trust in me.

Here, I will hear their weeping, their complaints and heal all their sorrows, hardships, and sufferings. Here's another one from the apparition in 1534. Am I not here? I, who am your mother, are you not under my shadow and protection?

Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hollow of my mantle and the crossing of my arms? Do you need anything more? Do you need anything more than Mary? That's what it said. The implication is no, I'm all you need.

What about Jesus, the savior, God in flesh? This cannot be anything from God because the apparition is speaking about itself. I'm going to paste something in here from scripture. I don't know if it's going to format.

It probably won't do a very good job. And it does nine of them. And I'll do, I'll do nine and 10 again. It did not. This is what the scripture says. Okay. There's a, that's the whole list I put in my notes.

Jesus bears witness of himself. Jesus works bear witness of himself. The father bears witness of Jesus. The Holy spirit bears witness of Jesus. The multitudes bear witness of Jesus. The prophets bear witness of Jesus.

The scriptures bear witness of Jesus. The father will honor us. If we serve Jesus, the father wants us to fellowship with Jesus. The father tells us to listen to Jesus. And what does the apparition say?

Sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say often to Jesus, especially when you make a sacrifice. Oh Jesus, it is for the love of thee for the conversion of, oh, that's Fatima. Hold on. I'll get to that one later.

Sorry. I messed up. Cause I had to scroll down. And so this is from Guadalupe. Am I not here? I am who your mother, are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hollow of my mantle and the crossing of my arms?

Do you need anything more? There's no way that's from God. No way. But wait, there's more. 1917, May 13th. Mary supposedly appeared and said, are you willing to offer yourselves to God to bear all the sufferings he wants to send you as an act of reparation for the sins by which he's offended and for the conversion of sinners?

Wait a minute. So now the apparition is telling these three children that they need to make a sacrifice for sins. The sins by which God is offended. Jesus did that. Why is the apparition saying that they need to now do it?

Isn't the cross efficient? Nail the list. Nail that list of the cross. See what I can do. All right. How about this one? So I wanted to talk to St. Janice about this. Didn't want to talk about it. I don't know why.

I will take Jacinta and Francisco shortly, but you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make me known and loved. He wishes to establish a devotion to my immaculate heart throughout the world.

I promise salvation to whoever embraces it. These souls will be dear to God like flowers put by me to adorn his throne. I mean, this should concern you. Jesus wants to make Mary known? No. Jesus says, come to me, all who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

That's what he says in Matthew 11, 28. Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father but by me. John 14, 6. John 14, 26. John 15, 26. The Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus.

Who's Mary bearing this apparition bearing witness of? Not Jesus. Therefore, it's not of God. Here's the last one. And this one. Okay. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say often to Jesus, especially when you make a sacrifice.

Oh, Jesus, it is for the love of thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the immaculate heart of Mary. Now you have to make sacrifices to atone for sins committed against Mary.

Demons want sacrifices, adoration, and worship to them. This is why I am so against Catholicism. We haven't even got into the salvation thing in depth. Roman Catholicism teaches a false gospel and promotes idolatry.

And it can't even tell the difference between a demonic manifestation. You want to know why those demonic manifestations occur? Because the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian. And because it promotes sorcery, it promotes occult practices.

Now I know because I was involved in the occult before I became a Christian. When you are praying to spirits, when you're doing rosary beads, when you're chanting repeatedly, when you're bowing before images and statues, these are all occult practices.

They open up the doors for the spiritual realm. And in the places where these happen, these happen because it was heavy Catholicism at the time. Heavy. The doors were open. Demonic manifestations were able to get through and imitate things.

So you see, Catholicism teaches all that, but it can't even get it right. It doesn't know. Here, I'll show you this. This is from the article I wrote. First, for salvation, God grants actual grace. In fact, you can find the article for that and you can put it in there.

But I have all the references. I have all the references. God grants actual grace to a person which enables him to believe in Christ. Paragraph 2000. And also believe in the truth of the Catholic Church.

Paragraph 1814. Now you got to believe in the church. After belief, the person must be baptized, which is necessary for salvation. Paragraph 1257. So I'm going to stop reading the references and just read you everything.

I've got them in here. I've got like 20 references. After belief, the person must be baptized, which is necessary for salvation. This baptism erases original sin, unites person with Christ, infuses grace into the person, and grants justification.

After baptism, he is saved. But to maintain his salvation, it is necessary for him to perform good works and participate in the sacraments which provide the grace that is, quote, proper to each sacrament, close quote.

This is necessary in order to maintain infused grace. However, grace can be lessened by venial sins or completely lost by mortal sins. Venial sins remove part of the infused grace, but not the saving grace known as sanctifying grace.

To remedy the problem of venial sins, the Catholicus should take the Eucharist, which the church teaches forgives venial sins. He must also perform various penance, which must be done in concert with perfect contrition.

But there's a problem. Sins require punishment. Even though sins are absolved by a priest, the punishment due to a person because of his sin can remain. To deal with that remaining punishment, indulgences are administered to deal with the punishment due to the guilt of the sins already forgiven.

These indulgences draw upon the good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of Christ and the saints so as to obtain the remission of the temporal punishment due for their sins. Furthermore, indulgences can be applied to themselves or the dead who are in purgatory.

Now, in case the Catholic has committed a mortal sin, then all his infused grace is lost. To regain this grace, he must partake in special penance, since it helps to restore grace that was lost. To conclude, the Roman Catholic must have faith, participate in the sacraments, take the Eucharist, keep the commandments, perform penance, and do indulgences in order to attain, maintain, and regain his salvation, as well as reduce the punishment due to him for the sins by which he's all been forgiven.

Now I'm going to show you something in Scripture. Okay, I'll show you something in the Word of God. Let's see if it'll all fit in here. Romans 4, 1 through 5. What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?

For if Abraham was justified, look at that word, if he was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. But what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited him as righteousness.

Wait a minute, what was credited as righteousness? His belief. Paul says his belief is what was credited as righteousness, his belief. Verse 4, not to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but what is due.

Verse 5, but to the one who does not work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. Now, logic. You have two things, okay? You have my phone, you have my cup.

Let's take one of them away. The cup is by itself, it's alone, isn't it? Verse 5, the one who does not work, but believes. You have works and faith. Does not work, but believes. That's faith alone, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Now, go back to verse 3. What does the Scripture say? Abraham believed, past tense, and it was credited, past tense, as him, to him as righteousness. That's before the law. Now we're after the law. I'll show you something else in a minute.

We're not under the law. I'll tell you why in a sec. But to the one who does not work, but believes, present tense, in him who justifies present tense, the ungodly, his faith is present tense, credited as righteousness.

That's the truth. That's the truth right there. Roman Catholic Church contradicts the Scriptures, the Word of God, teaches idolatry, and anyone who believes in official Roman Catholic theology when they die are going to go to hell.

That's what it is. I can show you more if you want. In fact,.

I'll show you a little bit of something else. Well, I think I'm going to go at maybe 7 .30 soon. I've taken like screenshots of all this. Okay. Take a screenshot of this as well.

Okay. See if this will fit. Or do you not know, brethren, I'm speaking to those who know the law, that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives. For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he's living.

But if her husband dies, she's released from the law concerning her husband. So then if while her husband is living, she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she's free from the law.

When you die, you're not under the law anymore, right? So it says, verse 4, therefore, my brethren, you are also made to die to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to him who's raised from the dead in order that you might bear fruit for God.

So you die to the law through the body of Christ, right? Well, check this out. This is Romans 6, 8. Oh, I should have gone with the other one even quicker. Now, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall always live with him.

Romans 6, 6, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him, right? So people say that's baptism. No, it's not. Well, Romans 6 talks about baptism early on. That's right. When was Jesus crucified?

2 ,000 years ago. Notice what it says. Romans 6, 6, our old self was crucified with him. Is that baptism? Nope. We died with him. When did he die? 2 ,000 years ago. This only works because of what's called election and predestination.

I can go on and teach and teach on this, and I do. That's what I'll do. I go into these rooms, and I start talking like this, and I start going in for an hour, and I start presenting this. I go a little bit slower, and I present this stuff, and the young men in there hear it.

They take notes. 50, 60, 70 people in rooms at a time. I know this stuff. The Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian church. Dead serious, it is not a Christian church. If you die believing its doctrines, you're going to go to hell, because you're not good enough, but I'm not good enough.

No, we're not good enough to earn any merit with God. We can't crawl up to the cross and tack on our list of good deeds that we've done. Yeah, James 2. We'll go to James 2. You know, then it's justified by faith and not by works, or by works and not by faith at all, alone, right?

That's what the Bible says. James 2 .24, right? And they'll always do that, because they want to do works. They want to say, look, a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Well, wait a minute.

Why did Paul speak to the contrary? And what they'll do, they don't realize what they're doing. I'll give them Romans 4. They give me this. They say, see? I go, wait a minute. Are you setting Scripture against Scripture?

They don't realize what they're doing. They reject what Paul says over in one place. They go with James, because their church tells them to. I'll show you something here. I'll put it in a couple of sections.

James 2 .14, the context. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? It's a dead faith, right? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, go in peace, be warmed, and be filled, and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

Even so, faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. Well, we Christians who believe in faith alone in Christ don't teach a dead faith. It's a faith that is true. And dare I progress or digress just a little bit?