Sam Gipp Attacks!

I am busily preparing this week for my debate with Dr.

Bart Ehrman next week in Florida and you might be a little surprised that I would take the time to record this video in light of the things that I've got coming up but it's sort of taking a little bit of a break and it is interesting because it's slightly related to the subject of textual criticism.

I was directed today to a video that Sam Gipp has posted.

Now for those who don't know who Sam Gipp is, he was on the Ankerberg program in 1995. He is a

Ruckmanite, a promoter of the radical form of King James Onlyism.

He's the one who looked right in the camera and when John Ankerberg asked him, well if I lived in Russia then would I have to learn

English to have the inspired and errant word of God and he said yes God only promises us one inspired and errant translation at one time right now it is the

King James Version of the Bible. So I had noted in regards to the

Ankerberg incident with Dr. Don Wilkins, I had provided a number of videos last year sometime and then

I discovered that Ankerberg had put out a digital version. I had been using the

VHS version which is what was originally put out which was edited and did not have the incident in it because Ankerberg said stop the tape start over because we're right at the beginning of the program.

I've been saying the same things since I first wrote an article on this. I think it was 96 might have been even late 95 when this took place

I think it was sometime in 1996 still on the website if you go to the King James Only section. Anyway they put out a digitized version of the eight part

King James Only series and so I posted that as well because they reinserted the very incident itself it's exactly where I said it always was it's exactly it is the only incident that took place.

Well once I posted that then Calcium Boy contacted Sam Gipp and Sam Gipp made some comments on a phone answering machine but now he's put out his his own video and he has a completely different recollection.

Now you have to determine who you are going to believe. I have had the same story on the internet since Tex Meyers first raised this issue shortly after the

Ankerberg series itself. I described the event I mentioned that as soon as it happened not only did

I say it was the beginning the fourth program Ankerberg had told Don Wilkins he was come to him he was gonna be asking him about Gail Ripplinger whole nine yards and I mentioned

I leaned over to Art Farstead after it happened and I said the King James Only guy is gonna make some of this and he did he didn't believe me but of course

I was right. Then this digitized version comes out and everything that is shown is exactly as I had described it from the very start so you have to find out you can trust me who's had the same story all along and now has the video evidence of it or you could trust

Sam Gipp who is asserting that not only am I a liar and I'm lying but that there was some other incidents actually there were two incidents evidently and that the we'll never see the video of the other one because it's been erased now how he'd know that can't begin to find out that's not how you do videotaping by the way

I've actually worked as a professional cameraman in my younger life and I know a little something about how things were done in those days and and they would reset the time sync and stuff and be able to do the to sync up with his introduction and things like that but they wouldn't be going back oh we better gotta erase that and the fact that they didn't erase it has now been demonstrated by the fact that in the digitized version they have reinserted that exact incident so that you can see that now the funny thing is

Gipp accuses me in this video of lying and yet what's painfully obvious in this video is that Gipp hasn't even taken the time to watch the videos

I've produced or read the documentation I've provided he's he's just grossly ignorant he has not taken the time to even look at these things and hence falsely accuses me of lying and saying things

I've never said he he says you asked you asked white did did they stop the tape and and start over again he'll say he'll lie and he'll say no

I've always said they did that since the very first thing I posted on the internet on it well over a decade ago and he just doesn't know he doesn't

Ruckmanites are extremely arrogant it's just a part of Ruckmanism and they don't think that they need to even think about what other people are saying because they're just horrible

Bible correctors and since they have the truth they don't have to listen to anybody else anyways and that comes out really clearly in in Gipp's comments here unfortunately so what

I'm going to do is first I'll just play for you a portion of Gipp where he's just you know ripping and snorting here and then

I'll cut back in and I'll provide you with what I posted a number of months ago that gives you the new digitized version as well as a

VHS version you can see for yourself and then just ask yourself a simple question who am

I going to trust now you know Gipp is gonna says things like well you know white has nothing better to be doing like this you know

I really do hope that someday we're gonna meet in heaven and Sam Gipp's gonna say to me

I am so sorry I Ruckmanism really caused me to do a lot of things that were inappropriate and and and that'll be wonderful but till then there is

I think something to be learned from the simple incapacity of Ruckmanites to deal with factual evidence that comes out clearly in their argumentation for King James only ism and their form of King James only ism but here we have an example of it in a simple thing that took place in the past and now that the the documentation is right there that it's it's video documentation he's actually saying that the clip

I'm presenting is a lie how does a video clip lie is he saying it's been it's been changed or something is it just is just how in the world could someone make a video clip up of Don Wilkins that would just happen to match exactly what

I said took place and have always said took place from the very beginning of hard to figure that one out isn't it but anyway

I I despite Sam Gipps nastiness toward me I I hold no anger toward him

I I feel I literally do feel very sorry for anyone who is stuck in Ruckmanism because it's it can't be a life and it really limits what you can do as far as giving a real defense of the of the gospel and of the

Christian faith and things like that so first I'm gonna play Sam Gipp there's a particular section and then we'll look at what

I provide a few months ago and you can compare for yourself and I think all rational people just sit and shake their heads and go there really are people that think this way there are and that's why

Ruckmanism should be exposed for what it really is the only thing

I'm saying is this number one white knows he's lying okay he knows he's lying if he hadn't been there he could be ignorant but he knows he's lying secondly where did this magic clip come from I mean what this this this thing is all about why doesn't

John Ankerberg come out and admit that he had the guy stop the tape and tape over it's been 13 years

John Ankerberg now look I'll admit the guy lost his voice during that break took a drink of water got his voice back and went on the program but think about this guys if one of us

King James guys if that question had been poised to us in some way if we had lost our voice

I'll guarantee John Ankerberg would not have erased the evidence if if that would have happened to one of us listen it happened to one of them on that question that is a real problem for them must be a problem 13 years later they're still running for the hills but but the thing is this if that had happened one of us

John Ankerberg would have used that very look look what happened to this so -called King James guy lost his voice but when it happened one of them he covered for him that's okay but I'm just telling you this

James White is like James you're a liar you know you're a liar you can shave your head and grow all the hair on your face you want so you don't look like the guy that was on the

Ankerberg program but you know you are lying when you represent that clip on your website as the actual thing that took place no one has what took place because it was erased

Ankerberg ought to be honest enough James White ought to be honest up why don't one of you viewers contact white and haven't say hey white did they stop and and retape anything

I want him to tell you no he'll just keep lying Ankerberg somebody contact

Jane Gingrich John Ankerberg and say hey did you guys run that tape back and tape over where he lost his voice

John Ankerberg will tell you yes or he will lie and if he lies we win listen

I'm done that's my thing I won't be back on I don't think I don't think this is not my kind of thing

I got things to do okay something really interesting just happened I was just sitting here in channel and a fella came in and he said

I'm a little confused I've been watching your videos on the Mars thing I have the video of where Wilkins gets a voice gets scratchy and he says

I lost my voice he's laughing takes a drink and then goes on and and I'm like no you don't he says yes

I do and you see all I've ever had have been the two VHS tapes from the

John Ankerberg show I think we got these I don't know about a year afterward well less than a year after is when the

Mars stuff started we had to pay like 89 bucks for him which back then was a lot of money we really put it out to get this and I gave you in the previous video

I made what the fourth for how the fourth program begins and I noticed as I was looking at these the first two programs they had this nice edited opening and and all this stuff but then after that they stopped and that would reflect the fact that what actually happened was

Ankerberg lost his major outlet shortly after this stuff took place with Christian broadcasting and that was what happened in that in that situation but this is all

I've had all along well lo and behold what's happened is John Ankerberg has digitized this material and in the process of digitizing clearly because of this controversy and the claims that these people made he went back and that stuff was still on tape and so what they did is they re -edited the fourth program and I guess

I could be a little upset here to make room they reinserted that whole thing and see what happened was

Don Wilken wasn't talking fast enough and getting the point fast enough and you'll see in the new version which is the original version

Ankerberg's trying to get him to so what'd you find out what you find out what was what results done they'd they'd cut out his need to take a drink of water they cut out part of his answer and they had started farther into his answer and then

I picked up and provided more stuff so what they did is they took me out I'm gone everything

I said about Ripplinger at that point is now disappeared and that made the room for them to do more of an introduction to the program and then include what he did and now you can see now we'll be able to see it was the beginning of the fourth program just as I said it was and you're you're able to see how everyone is laughing how there's not panic it's a you're like the

King James Oh like Mars is trying to make it look like he's laughing he's looking over at the King James guys he's like I lost my voice isn't that funny you know and you can tell he didn't actually lose his voice you can just hear a little raspiness in his voice he takes one drink goes okay

I'm ready to go and away we go and so now finally after all this time the exact incident itself is back in the programs and so what

I'm gonna do here is I'll give you that and then I'll fade right back into the edited version was on the

VHS tapes that they actually aired so you can see what the differences between two were and see that once again all the accusations if it is all

God can manage sorry guys these King James only folks that that really it still amazes me that anyone that is what amazes me is that the

King James only guys let text Mars do that you know who should have been telling text Mars that he was was completely out of line were the three

King James only guys not us but of course they never did that so first will be the the digitized version which will show you exactly what happened you'll see

Don Wilkins laughing about it taking a drink going okay I'm ready and then you'll notice you'll you'll you'll hear anchor bird going in fact

I'll start it where they're showing new age Bible versions and you hear Don Wilkins cough even before anchor bird goes to listen to that and then

I'll give you the VHS version which I put in the preceding video that'll give you all the documentation you could ever want on this particular issue follow the arrow of the dragon down she says it's the new case against the

NIV the new King James and the new American Standard Bible plus a group of the other modern translations and I have the general editors of those

Bibles right here and gentlemen I'd like you to respond and dr. Joe Chambers is also representing

Gail so he'll kind of take your response Don Wilkins you're representing the new

American Standard Bible and Gail in her book she groups all of you together and she says that the new translations and AS and IV new

King James have an occult bent to them they introduce new age philosophies into the church they spread mysticism and liberalism and line by line they are changing the face of Jesus Christ and Christianity now the people that read this book it appears to them that she has a mountain of documentation to back up what she has said what do you think about the evidence and the documentation in this book well first of all that book

I'm losing my voice I think

I'm all right now all right all right so we'll pick it up right there all right you ready okay what do you think about the evidence and the documentation that she has produced well let me tell you that we when this book came out the

Lachman Foundation we realized that we had to respond to it eventually that it was getting around and people were starting to make phone calls and ask questions and things like that and so we spent six weeks going through it or at least going through parts of it

I think she said she spent six years working on it and and frankly we didn't feel like we had that kind of time to go through that what'd you find we found what what

I personally found is that virtually everything she says is wrong or miss or misquotation or it's a mis deliberate deception of people misleading them about what facts there are what do you think of her documentation

I think it's it's it's ridiculous it's it's careless it is full of holes everything

I've seen in Riplinger's book virtually everything she says is either a misquotation or misleading of the truth people and I'll give you a good example she focuses in on among other things on Westcott and Hort and these are were fine men of the church fine

Christian men what do you think about the evidence and the documentation in this book I think it's it's it's ridiculous it's it's careless it is full of holes everything

I've seen in Riplinger's book virtually everything she says is either a misquotation or misleading of the truth people and I'll give you a good example she focuses in on among other things on Westcott and Hort and these are were fine men of the church fine

Christian men who together put together the text that as it's evolved in our in our use of it has become the text that most of us use and we think it's the best manuscripts she says she quotes his son who wrote a biography about Westcott is saying

Westcott's son writes of his father's lifelong faith in what for lack of a better name one must call spiritualism and this is page 407 the new age now

I looked at the books I looked at the actual biographies at these that the sons wrote for each of their fathers and what he actually said is what happened to this guild he's talking about a club that his father was in it in the end

I have not discovered my father ceased to interest himself in these matters not altogether I believe from want of faith in what for lack of a better name one must call spiritualism but because he was seriously convicted convinced that such investigations led to no good and what he actually said was that his father dropped out of it because in large part of his lack of faith in spiritualism rippling or completely leaves that out and makes it say that he had a lifelong faith in spiritualism that's just the opposite of what was true and it's a deliberate misstatement of the facts

I think we need to point out the fact that a lot of the type of complete misrepresentation we have here

I think part of the reason that we see it is not so much a specific desire maybe to twist something but there are there are things in New Age Bible versions that mrs.

Ripper claims God gave her for example on page 149 we have something called acrostic algebra and you take the

NAS V and the NIV and some by some mathematical process you take out the

AV and the last letters left is sin and this somehow is supposed to demonstrate that these modern translations have something wrong with them well

I asked mrs. Rippling her in a radio debate first of all why'd you call it NAS V throughout the rest of your book you called it

NAS B she said that's what God calls it even all through the rest of the book she said NAS B instead of NAS V and when

I asked her where'd you get acrostic algebra well God gave it to me now when people make claims like that being honest and inciting from one particular place being honest and saying well

Westcott also happens to have and in fact in a passage of Dr. Gipp cites in his own book they like to go after Westcott and say we'll see he found this thing of Mary and Dr.

Gipp accuses him of Mariolatry when you read the actual passage without the little ellipses that Dr. Gipp and Gilbert Plinger both use you discover that he talks about the superstition of the monks that they should have been out in the in the society he right afterwards finds a crucifix and he says