02-28-2021

Romans 9 and the Need for Context Going Into Chapter 10

All right, let's look at this right at the end of chapter nine, because we always want the context as we go into chapter 10. And you remember, you didn't have chapters in the original, so that's been added.

So a lot of times you wonder why they put the chapter where they did, because it's still the same thing, you know, the same part of the letter. So let's just look at this. What shall we say, then, that the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith?

And he's talking to a mixed crowd of Jews and Gentiles. And he's trying to make the Jews jealous, actually, because the Gentiles, a lot of them are seeing the light and receiving Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, and the Jews are sitting there looking at it all.

So here he says, well, here you had the Gentiles that knew nothing of the law, knew nothing of God's ways, and they're being saved. And then he says, but Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.

So here you have the Jews in the crowd listening. Now, imagine, you know, preachers used to make people angry when they preach. Nowadays, we'll make them happy. So they'll pay for the bowling alley and the church and all the property and won't leave.

So we hope you don't leave. But used to, they just told the truth. And what he's saying is, look, you guys, and he was a Jew, Paul was a Jew, of course, my brothers, what you're doing is you're seeking righteousness in the wrong place.

Because you're trying to achieve righteousness by being righteous, and it's not going to ever work. And we'll talk about that more in chapter 10. That's why I wanted to sort of review this a little bit.

Christ the Stumbling Stone and the Hearing Ear

So, you know, you have to have, let's look at the next verse, wherefore, here's why the Jews missed it. Paul says, because they sought righteousness, not by faith, but as it were by works of the law, for they stumbled at the stumbling stone.

Now, who is that? Jesus is the stumbling stone. And that terminology was used in the Old Testament. And the Jews out there in his crowd knew that. As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion, a stumbling stone, a rock of offense, that's Jesus, whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Now, it's kind of interesting, because what we're going to look at here in a little bit is there is a certain desire to believe that comes into the heart of the believer. If you remember, we talked about that last time.

And where does that desire come from? What causes this desire? Well, it's interesting, because 14 times that I could count in the New Testament, when Jesus was speaking, he said, he who has ears to hear, let him hear.

So I want you to think about what that means, because it's not talking about just hearing the sound waves. The Greek word means hearing with understanding. So Jesus is saying, he that has the ability to understand what I'm saying, let him hear, and he that doesn't is just not going to understand it.

So why is that? Why is it some people hear with understanding, other people cannot? And that's the question we're asking, okay? So another question I want to ask you as we jump into chapter 10 here, what makes the gospel actual good news?

For example, what does gospel mean? It means good news, right? And we're saved by two things. Only two things Jesus lists, same two things Paul lists. And that is the water and the spirit. The water is a picture, is an allegory of the word of God, the written word.

And the spirit doesn't have to be the written word, it could be you quoting the scripture. But it's the word of God is the water and the spirit is the Holy Spirit. If you don't have those two elements, there is no salvation, there is no born again experience.

The modern church today has developed a churchy type of salvation where you come down the aisle, you repeat a little prayer after someone and they now say you're saved. That is not how salvation works anywhere in the Bible.

That is a modern concept that's unbiblical and dangerous. The good news about that is that if you had the desire for Christ and you came down that aisle and they told you to do that, they can't undo your salvation, right?

Because it's between you and the Lord. It already happened in the pew before you came down here. And that's part of what the lesson today will be about. We talked about it a little bit last time out of chapter nine, but we're going to see it again in chapter 10 in a minute, which is really amazing stuff.

If you haven't seen it before, I think you'll go, you'll have an aha moment today. But my question is, what makes the gospel good news? Would it be good news if the Lord said in the Bible, here's what I want you to do to make it to heaven is I want you to be a good person.

Your whole life. What would you think about that? How many of you were born in this world, good people who never had to be spanked? I mean, if you have kids, right, you got to teach them to be bad. Or do you have to kind of work on that badness?

It's natural. You probably if you're a modern mom, you probably call it inquisitiveness or they have a leader. They're going to be a leader. They have leadership qualities. I say that as a grandpa, the time about my grandbabies, right?

Not that they're bad. They're perfect. They never get a spanking at my house. That's for sure. Hope they're not listening. All right. So be a good person your whole life. Would that be good news? Why not?

Somebody tell me. Why not? Huh? Yeah, well, you can't. You're not good. That's why we're not good. OK, so what if we said, well, here's the 10 commandments. Just keep those. What about that? Well, if we're not good, we're not going to keep the good commandments, are we?

So you can name. All right. How about this? Come to church, get baptized in our water and tithe regularly. How about that? Forgetting to heaven. Why wouldn't that work? I like the tithe part. Why wouldn't that work?

City water. No city water. And the city water has critters. You didn't hear all that whole story, did you? You don't want to hear the story. I have to tell it anyway. I have. I like. I've got a fish aquarium.

Had one since I was a kid. And so it gets a little bit low and you got to add some water. Right. So the water had been off for eight weeks, eight weeks. But finally comes on and I got a boil warning. You're not supposed to drink it unless you boil it.

Now I'm wondering. Is that really going to help? And I'll tell you why. Because I put this three gallon bucket in the tub and filled it up, you know, about a day after the water came on and put it in my fish aquarium and topped it out.

Went about my business and came back later that evening and the light had come on. And I looked and my fish were like little bass hitting things like eating stuff. And I looked real close and these little white things were floating all in there.

And they're hitting them and eating them. And I look real close and they look like baby shrimp. But they're not. So who knows what they are? That's in the drinking water in Texas. Thank you very much.

The fish were thrilled because they're meat eaters and I'm always giving them fish food, which is probably vegetables. They don't like it. So, man. So I had been brushing my teeth with that water, washing my hair, goes in my ears, my eyes, left my nose and my mouth.

And so then I had to share with the family. You got to still be careful for a while. That's amazing. What does that have to do with this? Nothing. Except I don't think getting baptized is going to make you clean.

Justification by Faith Without Works of the Law

Good point. That was a great illustration. I spent hours thinking that up for today's sermon. All right. So now we're in chapter 10. Remember, it's all just one letter. So forget about the chapter title.

So it says, brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they might be saved. Now, why would we start this out with the question? What is the what makes the gospel good news? Well, to me, it's the fact that you don't get saved by being good.

And you don't get saved by keeping the law. And you don't get saved by being a good church attender and a good church member and all that. None of that saves anybody. Why is that good news? Because you can't do it.

In the scripture, anywhere you see the law given, somewhere if you read far enough, you're going to see the word from God saying, and you need to keep all of it. That's there in every context. If you read far enough, everywhere the law is given, you need to keep all of it.

That's the problem because we fall short when we try to keep it, when we try to be good. You know, I remember Brother Otis, one of my mentors who's in heaven now, you sit right over there where Bill is.

And one time at coffee, I asked him, you know, what do you think is the best way just to be a good man? I just want to be a good man. And he said, Brother David, that's the worst way to think of it. He said, don't go about, you know, trying to think about quitting this sin and that sin and not doing that, not thinking that he said it'll never work because the minute you think about it, you're thinking about it.

So he said, what you need to do is just fill your day up with good things and serve people and fill your day up doing good. And then you won't have time to do bad. He took a sip of coffee. There's a lot of wisdom in that, right?

But the point is we can't be perfectly good. And we, you know, if we did the things God told us to well enough, we still wouldn't make, I mean, how are you supposed to pray, right? That's one of the things supposed to do.

We pray enough. Do you pray for everyone in this church every day? Do you pray for them every week? Do you pray for everyone in your family weekly even? See, we don't, if prayer would get us to heaven, we fell short there.

Church attendance, you know, that's, that's going down the tube nowadays in modern America used to young people. When they started having babies, they'd get in church because they want to raise them right now.

They're now they start having babies and they got soccer club and they got all this stuff, you know, or what are the little girls do jump around like monkeys. What do you call it? Yeah. Gymnastics and you like you're all over the place and you're too busy to go to church because that's the one day you can rest.

Am I right? So everything's changing and it's not changing towards more church attendance. So that's not going to save us. So, I mean, if the gospel said we had to do those things and do them right, not only count the things we're not supposed to do, but what about doing enough of the good things we are supposed to do?

We fall short on both ends of that. So he's, he says, I hope Israel will be saved. And why is he saying that? Because they think that you're saved by doing good works. That's exactly what they thought.

The crowd of people before him thought that they had a works system of salvation. We have a lot of Christian groups that say, Oh, we believe in Jesus, but, and that's always dangerous when you put that in there, but you also have to come to church regularly, but you also have to get baptized, but you also have to repent, but you also got to do, and they name a tons of things.

And in reality, none of those things save you. All of those things are just effects of the salvation. And it's just the Holy spirit and the word of God that God uses to save you. And then you're regenerated.

And then there's a lot of effects. Yeah. Then you do repent and then you do have faith, genuine faith, Jesus's faith. And then you do want to be around other church people. All of that comes as effects.

So it's all messed up. And these people are very similar to Christians today. Christians today love the idea of a list of rules to keep. And it just won't get you saved. And really that's the good news is that, that that's not the plan.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Now we shouldn't just read through this thing and just zoom on into the good stuff here in this chapter, because there's a lot of good stuff in this chapter.

But we need to stop and think about that a minute. How many friends do you have that are zealous for the Lord, but they believe all kinds of different works systems for salvation or some admixture of faith plus works.

Most people believe that believe it or not. They like you ask the person, if you died today, where would you go? If they say this, if they say, well, I hope I'd go to heaven. Then that proves they believe in works and you've got to do something to help God save you.

And they're thinking, well, I hope I did enough. And that's why they say, I hope. So that's the modern use of hope, not the biblical use of the word hope. And that's wrong. Well, I think I'd make it because my grandpa was a preacher.

We talked about that last time. That doesn't work either. Does it? You got saved by genealogy. So these people, part of the people in his crowd had a zeal for God because they were in church that day.

Not so much in a little church like this, but in a larger church, like maybe North side or first Baptist or first method, some of the bigger churches, even first Baptist, where I grew up years ago, you got a big enough group of people where you're going to have three kinds of people in that crowd.

Every time you're going to have goats, which are people who will never get saved. You're going to have lost sheep who are running with the goats, but someday they will get safe and you're going to have saved sheep.

And that's all there are other than the angelic world. So you're preaching to all three groups. Usually I get the good fortune of preaching, you know, to people that you at least look saved to me. So it's not so, not so scary, you know, and the ones you that don't look like you could ever be saved, you're probably the most saved, right?

Like brother Rob, but anyway, all right. So these people had a zeal for God, but look what he says, not according to knowledge. So let me ask you a question. How important is knowledge to you getting saved or being saved?

It's very important, but remember, do you remember the two ingredients? What are they again? The water and the spirit. And what does water picture the word? Where do you get the knowledge? From the word.

You cannot get saved without the word of God. Now, what if you're only getting it from preachers that are teaching false doctrine, showing you a false method of salvation, right? Come down to South repeat this after me, dear Jesus, put your hands together.

Come on, put them together. I hear just last week. I heard one had everyone in the room, everyone, everybody in the entire church, please put your hands together, pray this with me. And the music was playing in the background.

It was a beautiful music. That's why I was listening to it. It's because of their music, Lord Jesus, I give you my life. I give you my heart and my soul come into my life and save me today. And I mean, surely some of them were already saying, why are they praying this prayer?

You know, because it's their formula. It is so frightening. It's no different than this. They're not informed by the word of God. They're informed by a false preachers. And Jesus said, the closer we get to the end, and I don't know if you've noticed or not, but we are way closer since January the sixth, then we were to the end.

And they're going to be more false prophets. He said, and none of us think they're false because they're dressed like me and look true. Like me, I can barely get that button anymore. All good preachers are gluttons.

But anyway, I'm not according to knowledge. Let's think about that. Okay. So number one, he mentions they have zeal without knowledge. The zeal can fake everyone out into thinking that they're saved, including themselves.

They have a zeal for God. Well, they're in church. All right. Then he goes on and he says this, for they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves into the righteousness of God.

So now we know there are two kinds of righteousness, at least from man's viewpoint, two kinds of righteousness. There is self-righteousness where you do something to be right with God. And there is God's righteousness, which they are ignorant of.

In other words, they don't have knowledge about that yet. They don't know about it. They haven't been informed about that. So there you have two kinds. All right. So there is the wrong kind of righteousness.

And let's talk about it a little bit over here in Romans chapter three, verse 10, as it is written, there is none righteous, not one. So if you think just being born into this world and being a good person is going to get you there, that's the wrong kind of righteousness.

You see, that's the ignorant of God's righteousness, going about to establish your own righteousness. That doesn't work. Then it goes on and says, there is none that understands, none that seeks after God.

So you say, well, I'm just, I'm zealous for the Lord. I have a zeal for God. Is that enough to get you saved? No, because the Bible says there's no one that has real actual, at least not in their natural state, you know, before, prior to salvation, prior to the regeneration, no natural human man, woman, boy, or girl, none of them have a true zeal for God.

It's just because they don't understand the knowledge. It's without knowledge. They don't understand God's plan of salvation. They don't understand the gospel properly, and they have to have the word and the Holy spirit has to come along and open their eyes and their deaf ears and quicken their spirit and bring them alive before they'll understand it anyway.

And now that's not in the modern gospel at all. No one talks about the calling anymore that you actually have to be called by the Holy spirit, or you'd never get saved and that that has to come first before you do anything.

Because while we were getting our sins, has he quickened us? That means brought us to life. It's all about him and you. It's not about stuff doing things. All of that's the effects of it. It's not the cause of it.

And as Charles Burden said so wisely, an effect can never be the cause of the cause. So there's none that understand it. There is none that seek it after God. They're all, how many people is that in the human race?

That's the entire race. They're all gone out of the way. They are together become unprofitable to whom their boss. Who are we talking about? They're unprofitable. Who are they supposed to bring profit to?

That is not a hard question. Come on, wake up. God, whose business is this? This is all God's business. Even the secular stuff we call secular, it's all his, or it's not worth being involved with and we're unprofitable to him.

We bring him nothing in the natural state, right? There is none that do it good. Oh, you mean this system that these, this crowd he's talking to, at least part of the crowd, the Jewish part of the crowd where they're going to seek to be a righteous person.

It says here, there's none that do it good. So God doesn't consider the good stuff they're doing as if it's good. Does it? Major problem. So when we look at the wrong kind of righteousness, let's talk about that a minute.

And then back in the scriptures, we just looked at it, talked about the right kind. And we'll talk about that if we have time. Romans 3 19. Now we know that what things over the law say, if it says to them who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God.

So God, so the apostle Paul presents this to the Jews in the crowd. He says, look, you got the law Moses and God didn't give that to you to save you. He gave that to you to show you how far from righteous you really are.

Isn't that kind of what that says? The whole world becomes guilty before God when they look at the law and look at themselves before the law of God. Therefore, by the deeds of the law, by doing good stuff, by trying to keep God's commandments, there shall no flesh be made right with God in his sight.

That's what justified means. Justified means that God makes you as if you've never sinned in his own eyes. He sees you as if you never sin. There is no man that finds that state by attempting to be righteous.

Now that seems like a conundrum, doesn't it? Attempting to be a good person and be righteous never brings anyone into a right state in the gods, in the eyes of God, almighty, holy, pure, perfect God, because we'll see later.

Why? If I get to it, I don't know how many sermon when I, uh, when I run out of material, um, I'll study, you know, all day Saturday and I don't know how many weeks of stuff I have. So what I'll do is like, if you get tired, just look really sleepy.

And that's when it's over and we'll pick it up next time. Okay. It's over now. All right. So by keeping the law shall no flesh be made right in God's eyes. Whoa. You think the Jews, the crowd knew that?

Do you think most Christian friends you have know that for by the law is the knowledge of sin. It just lets you know, you're not going to get to heaven. So where's the boasting then? Now the Jews were big on boasting about how righteous they were, weren't they?

You know, they want to pray in front of the whole city where everybody can see and pray. They want to put their money in, in, in the coffers in the town square. So everyone can see how much they put in there.

And where's the boasting then? Paul says by inspiration of the Holy spirit, it's totally excluded from true salvation. So what, by what law are you saying the works? No, but by the law of faith. Now the Jews are scratching their head and the Jews are going, I've told you so.

I mean the Gentiles, the Gentiles are going, I've told you so. And the Jews are scratching their heads. Because the Gentiles knew they were filthy because the Jews, the Jews told them how filthy they called them dogs.

They called us dogs are still do over in Israel. You know, a true Orthodox Jew would look at you with disdain because you're not a Jew. So it was a surprise to them that you're not saved by doing righteous works.

Therefore, here's the conclusion. We conclude that a man is made right with God. That's what justified means. It means to be made and counted as if you're righteous. We conclude that a man is justified by faith without, and that word without you been here very long, you know, we've studied that one word and that word means a great gulf, like in the rich man went to hell and, and he said, go tell my kin folks, you know, Abraham go tell my kin folks back on earth to not live like me.

Cause I don't want him to come here. And he said, well, you, you know, I can't come to you because there's a great gulf between heaven and hell. That word is the word there for without, isn't that interesting?

So there is a great gulf that God has put between salvation by faith and people that believe in salvation by works. The faith is here. The works are over here. There's a gulf in between and the works have nothing to do with the cause of salvation.

Only the faith does. And even the faith doesn't cause it. It's a, an effect of it. Now that one's that'll throw you. If you've been listening to typical preaching in the South of the United States of America, that will throw you because you thought you were saved by faith.

Well, in a sense you are, but it's not your faith. It's Jesus's faith. And it's a gift of the Holy spirit. Ephesians two, eight, nine, and 10. It is a gift, a free gift where God gives you Jesus's faith because your faith is hit and miss about the time God doesn't answer your prayer in about three minutes, you have doubt.

So that kind of faith is what you can work up in your mind, human faith. That doesn't save anybody back. Hebrews chapter 10, the last two verses prove that. So, um, it's a different kind of faith. It's a God-given gift where he gives you Jesus's faith, which is real, which can walk on water, which can move mountains from the mountain to the sea and can change lives and change everything.

It can even save your soul. And that's what it does. And once you have that, then there are many effects because all of a sudden your, your brain, what would you call it? Brain, uh, originated belief, you know, that you think up in your brain, it comes alongside the true faith God gave you the faith of Christ and it, it resonates with it.

So that's a, that's an effect. You want to repent. That's an effect. Repentance means change your mind about who's God means, you know, you're not anymore. You know, God is, that's an effect getting baptized in water.

There's a baptism right back there. That's an effect. Going to church is an effect get doing good things is an effect of your salvation. None of it causes it. That's what Paul's telling these people. We conclude that a man is justified by faith without a great dolphin between that and the works that you guys think save you.

You see what he's saying? Wow. Is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also God of the Gentiles? Yes. The God of the Gentiles. He's telling that to the Jews because they did not think God would save a Gentile.

That's why Paul said Jesus died for all men. He didn't mean for every individual he met for all kinds of men. And in the Greek, the word pass for all means a few from every group. It's a different, a little bit different word than in English.

Seeing it as one God, which shall justify the circumcision. That's the Jew by faith and the Gentile through faith. I did a study on that. Wondering why it says that you get saved by faith and the Gentile get saved through faith.

And I couldn't figure it out. It's been hours on it and never figured it out. So Dave and Jeannie, figure that out for me. I'm serious because they probably will or anybody, if you figure that out, let me know.

Bill, put some thought into that. That's a good breakfast question. That years ago that was one with me and Otis and we didn't figure it out yet. Yet. Always add yet because otherwise you quit studying something.

The Right Kind of Righteousness and the Law's True Purpose

All right. Now let's, let's think about this a minute. A lot of times the apostle Paul who didn't have a new Testament yet, the Holy spirit was using him to write most of it. He had an old Testament and that was the word.

That was the water of the word that he used in that God used in his life and other people to be saved at that time. So let's take a look here at Isaiah 64 and verse four for, for since the beginning of the world, men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen O God beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waits for God.

And there's a beautiful promise. You cannot even imagine what God has waiting for you guys and me too. All right. So please do not go up in the rapture without me. You can't imagine what this is going to be like when we get into that dimension and we'll still recognize one another.

We'll have a body, but the body can't die. The body will never be ill. That's why it says with his strikes, we were healed, you know, and saved and everything else. So we can't even imagine. Thou meetest him that rejoice and worketh righteousness.

Those that remember thee in thy ways, behold, thou art wrath. For we have sin in those is continuance and we shall be saved. They're going, huh? At least that's what I said when I first read that. Anybody want to come up and execute that one?

Don't you think that one's a little difficult, that last verse. I mean it, to me, it was required a little bit of study and asking the Holy spirit, what in the world are you talking about here? But it's interesting because what the Lord is showing very quickly, very concisely here is the same thing Paul was talking about.

And Paul is informed by this scripture, by the way, and that you cannot get saved by acts of righteousness. In fact, God is angry with you already. If you're part of the human race, God is already angry with you because you're part of a race that has none seeking him.

All have gone their own way. There's none that seeketh God, not one. There's none that's good, not one to a Holy God. He's already angry or filled with wrath. He's wrath. He's filled with wrath toward you, but right in that same.

So that's talking about depravity of man, isn't it? The great doctrine of the depravity of man in the same verse, it comes right back and says, and those, some, some of the same people though, part of the same group of Jews is what this is picturing is continuance.

And we shall be saved. So if you were to read that verse, does it imply that you're saved by being a good person and pleasing God? It is not because it's saying God is angry with you because you're not doing well, isn't it?

It's interesting. It helps to look the words up in the Hebrew. If you look up continuance, this is fascinating to me. I know it's not to you, but some of you, I mean, kind of like math, but it's alarm.

And the reason it's interesting to me is because that is the same Hebrew word for eternal. It's the, well, it may be more than one, but that's the only one I know that I remember for eternal alarm. And it comes from the idea of Greek is interesting.

I mean, sorry, Hebrew is interesting because it always builds word pictures rather than just a quick, sharp definition. It builds word pictures and you got to get all the pictures together in your head to fully understand the word.

You say, well, that's not very precise. It's not. But what it does give you that the Greek doesn't is that it gives you a whole lot more pictures than you would have had it been precise. So you can, there's so much embedded in the Hebrew.

You can learn for years by reading the same verse, literally, especially in the old Testament, true in the new Testament too, because the Holy spirit wrote it. Look at this. It comes from the idea of something that's concealed or hidden that no one knows about.

No human knows about this. Secondly, it can mean the vanishing point or you could say this way time out of mind. So you think about if you go to Genesis one, one where everything that we know of began and you step one step before that was just God, right?

The father, the son, the Holy spirit, that's it. Now, maybe we had some angels already, probably because I know Satan showed up pretty quickly after Genesis one, one, didn't he? So you probably had God.

And at some point he created the angelic beings in the heaven and a place we call heaven. But really you have to ask the question, Bill, you can help me with this, but if Genesis one one is where time and space and matter began, don't you have to have a place to put the demons in?

So I think maybe between Genesis one, one and chapter three, you might check on that, Matt. That'd be awesome. I think I just saw Katie run by there. They'll be all right. Okay. You must have had the creation of the angels somewhere in there.

Did you have to have a space to put them in? So, but before that there's a time where there's just God, there's no space. There's nothing. It's just God and God has love among the father, son, the Holy spirit because he's he is love.

That's one thing that proves the Trinity. You can't just be one thing because you have to have an object of love to have love. So he's always existed as a triune being. But think about that. That's kind of time out of mind.

I mean, don't we have trouble thinking about what happened before Genesis one, one, I know brother Otis is geniuses. He wasn't as much as he knew God. He had one thing that troubled him that I knew of because he would keep coming back to it through the 13 years.

We had coffee together in church together was he'd say it bothers me, brother David, because I can't figure out what God did before Genesis one, one, what do you do with all that time? And I said, brother Otis, it wasn't time.

Okay. I know. But what do you do with all that time? Well, I think that's an interesting question. I sort of, I gave him an answer and he didn't comment, which means I don't think he liked the answer, but I said, well, maybe Jesus, the God, man, maybe the father laid the plan out, but he actually let Jesus build it little by little like a man would, which would take a gazillion of our years.

Cause you think about those little critters floating in my fish tank and inside those critters are cells. And inside those cells are, what do we got in there? Mitochondria inside there, we got molecules and atoms and then you go out to the stars and you can do it the other direction.

Right? So how long did it take him to figure all that out? If he did it as the God man and Otis was saying, no, he just spoke it into existence, brother David. I'm saying, well, you asked what he was doing.

There's a thought. And he never commented on it again. So that tells you that that got shot down. But anyway, think about it time without mind. In other words, you can't even think about it. And from, from that Hebrew concept comes the word eternity, because you should try it sometime.