December 31, 2020 Show with Peter Robinson on “Lessons to be Learned from 18th Century Anglicanism Today”

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Lessons to Be Learned from 18th Century Anglicanism

And I am thrilled to wrap up the new year with an excellent guest that is a returning guest to this program, someone whom I always find utterly fascinating and edifying, and always proves to be a superb and very knowledgeable guest.

His name is Peter Robinson, and he's the Presiding Bishop of the United Episcopal Church of North America. And today we are going to be addressing lessons to be learned from 18th century Anglicanism today.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Bishop Peter Robinson.

Hello, Chris.

And if you could, let our listeners know about the United Episcopal Church of North America.

For the United Episcopal...

Great. Well, that's always good to hear. And having been one who was rescued spiritually and theologically out of Roman Catholicism by the grace and mercy of our sovereign Lord, I'm very happy to know that you are not leaning towards the Oxford Movement and are truly a reflection of Protestant Anglicanism.

And if anybody wants to find out more about the United Episcopal Church of North America, you could go to their website, which is...

United Episcopal...

Actually, I have unitedepiscopal .org.

Okay, both work.

Oh, okay, good. And since I'm looking at one that works, I will repeat that one, unitedepiscopal .org. And you can find if there are congregations in your area in that denomination as well, in addition to finding out other things about this fine denomination, which is neither Anglo-Catholic nor is it leftist and apostate, which unfortunately is probably the most typical thing that people think of when they hear about an Episcopal Church, which is tragic.

Well, you wanted to address today lessons to be learned from 18th century Anglicanism today. Now, what is unique about the 18th century with an Anglicanism that made you want to focus on that particular century in our discussion today?

Now, you mentioned Arianism. That is probably a more well-known heresy to our listeners, probably because the Jehovah's Witnesses, well, depending upon where you live, but there are areas, especially where I was from, I was born and raised on Long Island, New York, and we were swarming with Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus Christ, which would be a key tenet of Arianism.

So what would be the key tenets of this heresy of which you speak?

I remember back of the century, and then the breaks go with Evangelicalism.

So a lot of this bolstering or reaffirming orthodoxy seems to have been produced out of the challenges of heretics.

Yeah.

If you could repeat that one figure who seemed to be a primary champion for orthodoxy.

Daniel Walterland.

The 39 Articles man and the Reformed Anglican, I'm assuming.

He wasn't Reformed. He was an old high churchman. He was one of those who was a little...

Sort of like a Lutheran class election.

One of the things that's a little...

And that, from what I understand from confessional Protestant Anglicans, is the true via media, not a midway attempt for bringing peace between Rome and Protestantism, but between the two branches of Protestantism.

Yeah, I mean, it comes out of the...

Listener Questions on Anglican Identity and Churchmanship

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And we do have a listener, and this listener is choosing to remain anonymous. He says, I have many friends within Anglicanism and Episcopalianism on both sides of the Tiber River, as it were. Some are truly confessionally Protestant, and others are more of the Romish Oxford movement Tractarian side of the issue.

My question would be, even though I am leaning towards the Protestant side of this dispute, I was wondering, why is it that the Romish Oxford movement began to rear its ugly head in the 19th century? Where were they all along in the 18th century?

And I'm trying to recall from our conversations in our previous interviews, whether you yourself were a high churchman or a low churchman. It seems that the majority of men that I have had on this program that are thoroughly Reformed Anglicans and very Protestant are surprisingly high churchmen.

Although I do have some friends who are self-described low church rectors and so on. Where would you be in that realm?

And it's interesting also that you said that the Book of Common Prayer.

Appears to be more Lutheran leaning in its emphasis, and the Thurgo and Calvinists I know in Anglicanism are all strong prayer book men. So it's interesting.

Yeah, it rather resembles that.

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Midshow Listener Questions on Anglicanism and the 18th Century

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We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says, why does the 18th century have such a bad rap against it, when it produced at least two of the greatest minds of Christendom, which would, in my opinion, be George Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards, and let me even add a third, even though I am far from being Arminian, John Wesley.

I think a lot of it...

We do have another listener. We have Joseph in South Central Pennsylvania, who wants to know, when you say there was a resurgence of modalism in the 18th century, were these conscious believers in that heresy, or were they just sloppy at defining the Trinity as something prevalent even today?

Let's see here. We have John in Bangor, Maine, who says, you described England and the Church of England, specifically in the 18th century, as becoming more conservative. Was this a genuine, vibrant, born-again form of conservatism, or more prone towards dead orthodoxy?

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