Gail Riplinger vs. James White, 1993, KRDS Radio Part V

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Okay, we need to give you any other thing you want to say, Judy, before we go to our next caller? Basically, I'd still like to hear her response to his criticism of the textus receptus and the majority text, because this is the main issue.

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All right. Erasmus' textus receptus was put on the Index of Forbidden Books by the

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Pope. Erasmus wrote two other books, In Praise of Folly and Adagia. Both were rabid anti -Catholic books.

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At that time, he was the world's leading intellectual, and so when people say he had 11 manuscripts in front of his hand, that's hardly the case, because if you really studied his life, you'd know that he spent a fair portion of his life translating the

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Greek and Latin Church Fathers. So he had tons and tons of information. I have studied his life very in -depth.

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I've written a number of graduate papers on Erasmus, and the first edition of his New Testament was based upon that many manuscripts. He did make changes, and in fact, the whole reason that 1

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John 5, 7 through 8 appears in the textus receptus is, I'm sure you know this, but he did make changes. is due to the fact that he came under great fire under the first two editions.

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His first and second editions of the New Testament did not have that passage. And so, wait a minute, wait a minute, now you brought up Erasmus, and I want to point out to you that he wrote to his friend

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Bombasius in Rome, and asked his friend Bombasius to consult what manuscript, Gail, which manuscript did

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Erasmus consult in regards to that? He rejected the Vatican manuscript time after time. Excuse me, but which one did he ask?

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No, he did not have it. He wanted to have access to it, but he was not able to get it. He eventually wrote to his friend

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Bombasius in Rome. Well, we can tell he had it, because we've got the italicized words in 1 John 2, 23, so he definitely had access to the

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Vatican. He wrote to his friend... All right, let me stop you, gang. I think we're losing the audience.

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This is a very difficult thing to deal with. And our time is getting by. Take just a minute. My point was that Erasmus said that if he could find one

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Greek manuscript that had 1 John 5, 7 through 8 in it, that would be it. that he would put it in the third edition. The one was written simply for the occasion, and that's why it appeared in there.

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And the statement I made in regards to the number of manuscripts he had is substantiated by every source that you could look into it.

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All right. May I have a question, please? Go ahead and respond, yes. 1 John 5, 7, if you don't have it the way it is in the

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King James, the Greek genders don't agree. You have three masculine witnesses and three neuter nouns, and the only way it'll work is the way

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Erasmus has it. 1 John 5, 7 is in 170 Old Syriac, 180 Cajun, 200

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Old Latin, 2 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 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I truly appreciate what he said because I'm afraid that the people who go back to the Greek you know the

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Bible says are the Greeks seek after wisdom you know require a sign but we preach

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Christ crucified and I think all that's going back to the Greek is kind of the Greek seek after wisdom but you know written in Greek to preach

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Christ crucified is for the Greeks foolishness and people don't want to look foolish so they have to jump back to the

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Greek text but the Bible says preach the word let me hurt if I hit my heart you cannot hide the

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Greek in your heart and that that word was not written in English all right miles what's your question the question is if we have a a numerous amount of manuscripts available and the textus receptus was based on that which was available we got about 30 seconds okay now the textus receptus has been considerably changed or altered with so -called new discoveries was is what we have now compared to the

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King James Version is there any substantial difference I'm sorry the western text of the gospel

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Gail p45 p66 p75 agreed with the Texas receptive