October 5, 2018 Show with Christopher Hutchinson on “Rediscovering Humility: Why the Way Up Is Down”

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senior pastor of Grace Covenant Presbyterian Church in Blacksburg, Virginia, which is a congregation

in the PCA denomination, the Presbyterian Church in America.

Today we are addressing his book, Rediscovering Humility, Why the Way Up is Down, and it's my

honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Chris Hutchinson.

Thanks for having me.

And Pastor Chris, before we go into a summary of your salvation testimony,

which we typically have our first -time guests do, I would love for you to give

a little bit more details to our listeners about Grace Covenant Presbyterian Church of.

Blacksburg, Virginia.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Well, we're pretty much a normal vanilla.

Really, that's really what we try to be.

So that means we're a biblical church.

You have to be very.

Careful using phrases like this in this day and age of hypersensitivity and political correctness.

Okay.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

Well, let me describe it a little bit more.

We're a normal PCA church.

We preach Christ and his

gospel.

Every international steward has come into

worship.

Yeah, we're quite multi -ethnic, quite multi -racial.

Oh, yeah.

It represents the description of the.

Church in Revelation that those from out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation

worshiping the Lamb.

Exactly.

And the PCA is one of the conservative denominations within Presbyterianism.

Some people who are less familiar with Presbyterianism and Reformed Theology

immediately jumped to the wrong conclusion.

As soon as they hear Presbyterian, they automatically think, oh, you mean like the liberal church down the road with a female pastor

who is also a lesbian and they endorse all kinds of things like abortion and

so on.

But that is not at all the case with the PCA and the OPC

and the RPCNA and a number of other conservative and Reformed and.

Biblically solid.

Presbyterian denominations.

Yeah, that's right.

And those denominations you all

mentioned.

Amen.

And

now,

if you

would, give

our listeners somewhat of a summary of.

The account of your salvation, the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and

what kind of providential circumstances the Lord raised up in your life that drew you to.

Himself and saved you.

Yeah, well, thanks very much.

Well, I was raised in the church, and

my parents were great

parents.

One day when I was about 10,

they were brought to

the Lord through the charismatic movement,

either being Reformed or

Presbyterian.

I

actually

grew

up in

college and came

back, and then

by the end

of

my

junior year in

high school.

So there's a

wonderful chance for the

Lord to

say, oh,

you are

the sinner.

No, well, it's

always nice

to hear

refreshing.

Testimonies because most of my Presbyterian guests, I think, say, well, I can't remember.

The day that I wasn't a believer.

No, very much law and gospel for me.

I was convicted by the law.

Of God.

Amen.

And so how did you discover Reformed theology, and when did you

come to embrace it?

And then after that, or maybe even before that, how did you know that you had the call into ministry?

Yeah, a great couple of questions.

A couple influences on

me, maybe two when

I

grew

up.

Wow,

that name

is

very

familiar.

Yeah,

wonderful,

wonderful.

And how

did

you

realize

that you had a

call upon

your life

to become

a pastor?

Yeah, boy,

another, but having gone

through

Desert

Seminary, still

wasn't sure, but I

might end

up being

a part of the

deal, which was

in seminary, we got involved.

Let

me just

move back a little bit

and find out

why.

You had this desire, which actually came to fruition to enlist in the military.

Oh, sure.

Well, wow.

Yeah.

I'm

assuming

that you

may

have

seen

and

enjoyed

Hacksaw

Ridge, which I thought was phenomenal.

You have to be careful watching.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you're sitting there watching that movie, you're saying to yourself,.

This can't be true.

And then at the end, they have the surviving comrades in arms that he

rescued, at least some of them giving testimony, the actual people, not the actors,

giving testimony to concur that the movie was actually true.

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And by the way, I just had a thought that came in my mind, I've got to introduce you to Colonel

Kevin Gerard, who's in the United States Marine Corps.

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kind of reader.

I hope so.

And I use several illustrations from my army days

that's still going on and trying to serve the Lord above.

Praise God.

Well, if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own about humility, our email address is

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Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Well, what were the circumstances in your life, perhaps not only personal experiences,

but biblical studies or something that drew you to the point where

you.

Said, I've got to write a book about humility?

Oh, gosh.

It's been on my heart for

things.

One is I really only

live.

And then you see

that.

So

while

I'm

learning

that,

I've also joined

this

evangelical.

How much of

it is very much

about probably the most cited.

Giant of the faith from history on this program by my guests.

Is Jonathan

Edwards, as you

well should be, George

Marston.

But none of these

books on humility that have been

radio

shows.

You know, so in

other words, I

should not be.

Using Rush Limbaugh as my role model for radio hosting?

I'm not even going to go there.

Talent, what is it, talent on loan from God?

Yeah, I think a lot of conservative Christians get a lot of

their...

Right, and I think that...

Their policies and their politics.

But as far as the braggadociousness...

Right.

And not not to say that we

cannot glean information that happens to be.

Factual and so on.

But it's the braggadocious character that we

have to avoid as Christians.

Well, this may seem like a very simplistic question.

It may seem even like a foolish question to listeners who hear me ask it.

But I think it's important because people may even unconsciously

have a wrong definition or there may be varying definitions.

But in your opinion, from what you know about the scriptures and what you know about

actual vocabulary accurately used, what is the proper definition.

Of humility?

Yeah, that is a great question.

Is that obnoxious?

I say, you know what, you can look at the etymology

and

you see different...

Amen.

And the concept that many people who are

falsely professing to be Christian themselves or those who are just members of

secular society who have a high regard for Jesus, but it is really

a Jesus of their own imagination, or a Jesus of greeting cards, or a Jesus of fictional

TV and movies.

They have this notion about Jesus in regard to his humility that makes

him very approachable to them, but in such a

way that it diminishes his righteousness, his glory, his power,

his

omnipotence.

I know people who will use vulgarity when speaking in the same sentence as Jesus and

they'll say, Jesus is my friend and he likes to crack a joke with me now and again,

he laughs in heaven when he hears me say that, and they are not afraid of this

Jesus.

They love the Jesus, the baby Jesus in the manger, and they love the

Jesus that seems to be nothing more than a hippie blowing kisses to everybody

and just being nothing but meek and mild.

But this is a total, a really twisted understanding of

what humility is, isn't it?

It is, yeah.

Yeah, and I address that in a couple of chapters.

One is called, I call that hope for fools.

It's where Paul says if you want to become wise, first become a

fool.

That's not humility.

And

the

most humble...

Amen.

Well, we're going to our first break right now.

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Virginia, discussing his book, Rediscovering Humility, Why the Way Up is Down.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is

chrisarnson at gmail .com.

We do already have a question from Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania,

who asks, it is interesting that a military man has written a book on humility

because in the minds of many, being a Christian is bad enough when

joining the service because people wrongly think that you are going to be weak or pacifist, but adding

humility on top of it seems to be counterproductive in the minds of many

misled people who have this idea of machismo and braggadocio

being equivalent to strength and courage.

If you could nail that one down for our listeners so that they can more fully understand why humility is

actually a perfect ingredient to a dedicated soldier wanting to defend not only his comrades -in

-arms, but his nation.

Oh yeah, what a wonderful question, and that's one thing I do want to talk about,

and you need to

bring that with you.

Jesus did not tell...

A couple thoughts.

One is,

you might remember George Marshall during World

War II said,

as long as you're willing to let

someone else take the

credit.

Huh.

Going into

combat, that's your life

as

much.

It all gets

down to

motive.

I remember another story,

the mechanized infantry.

I remember in infantry,

that's why you want to go.

Really not a...

Yeah.

See that?

One says go infantry because

everyone's

working for you.

The other says, I want to go infantry.

It's not the position, it's the heart.

That you bring to the position.

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Let's see, we have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York,

who asks, could you differentiate between being a humble person and

allowing yourself to become a doormat?

Yeah, that's another.

I think, first of all,

you begin

with humility.

Then you

don't deny

that, you just

say it, and

then

maybe that's

where the

question...

You

want

to

put...

And

who

knows, as you listen...

Yeah, I guess

we have to

be careful

about how you would define being used.

As a doormat, because obviously Jesus Christ received silently

scourging and torture and crucifixion, but there are those

that are wrongly abused who

their beating and their abuse and their torture is not

something that is of value to anyone.

Obviously Christ's death is what was necessary for all of his people to be

saved, so I guess we have to be careful about what we mean by doormat.

If a wife is being abused by a husband and she is just a punching bag

and you have a husband who is a moron or just an evil person who is trying to twist

what it means to be a submissive wife, she needs to go to her elders.

She needs to even call the police.

Yeah, I want to be very clear about that.

Humility does not mean...

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Before we go into any more listener questions, I would like you to really lay out primary

elements that have to be included when understanding humility biblically.

Once

you've put

others,

their

interests,

their

needs,

their well

-being

before

your

own

is.

Something that the best of us find very often difficult to do, some more

than others.

In fact, I think it's... what we're seeing on our televisions and on

our computer screens during the Senate

hearing with Judge Derek Kavanaugh, this is

doing something that not only in the heart and minds of people I frequently

see and correspond with, but in my own heart and mind, you cannot help sometimes,

or maybe I shouldn't use that phrase, that you cannot help, but because of our

remaining sin in our hearts and minds, even if we're regenerate, I feel the

stirrings and the uprising of hatred in my heart and mind against these

evil people.

It is so transparent that they are looking

out for their own political gain and their own agenda rather than truth.

How do we face these kinds of things with humility, but at

the same time with righteous indignation?

Because in a case like this, it's not we who are being

slandered and being not only slandered, but slandered

with unbelievable and astronomically

wicked... with, you know, being guilty of astronomically wicked deeds that would even be equivalent to

war crimes in a sexual nature, gang rape, and all these kinds of things.

It's not us who are receiving that in the Judge Kavanaugh case.

It's somebody else.

So how do we as Christians not become too passive and

soft in the way we react to this, but without remnants.

Of hate, especially overt hatred that sometimes bubbles up out of

us?

Yeah, that's a great...

I do

talk

a

little

bit...

Can

come to

our

church,

and

then

another

was

Simon

the

Zealot,

who

was

angry.

We have

an anonymous

listener

who says, What advice do you have

to young ladies, especially.

Single young ladies, who seem to be drawn to young men who are filled

with pride and arrogance that is so heavily promoted in the hip -hop culture,

and even much of what is taught in public schools in regard to self -esteem?

There seems to be, absent from the interests of many young women, young

men who are potential spouses that are humble young men.

There are men that do not stand out in the crowd with loud voices

and pride.

Young men who are being viewed wrongly as perhaps insecure

or even cowardly just because they are humble.

How can we correct this erroneous notion in the minds of many young women who are

seeking for a spouse, especially in regard to our Christian.

Young ladies and

sisters

in Christ?

We'd

want

our young ladies to come to

mind.

So after being

renewed and no longer conforming to

life in

the church and love.

And so we need, even though they can watch

Netflix

and they can

get on the

internet.

And I can assure you that the vast.

Majority of women who wind up marrying proud and arrogant young men,

after a while when they see that their opinions are being treated as nonsense and that they may be even

become treated like dirt or as objects, they are going to long for the day that

they married a humble man.

And humility, as we have been saying throughout, does not equate to weakness.

It can equate to the height.

Of strength, humbly bearing, whatever.

And we have to go

to our midway break right now.

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Uh if you could.

Uh pastor chris continue to compare and

contrast true humility with the false concepts that develop in people's.

Mind when it comes to humility.

Yeah and by the way i didn't for

money you said to guard.

Well i

really appreciate.

Really really

it's it's about it.

One is humility

is not something you can uh

franklin once said look if i could make myself

whole warns about that

denigrating

the good

saying the words i'm really proud of.

Say it in a humble way.

They they they might use the wrong word but we shouldn't just jump on people because

they might say i'm proud of.

It's inconsistent recognize

where we're

all

inconsistent if

you're

not convinced.

Amen.

We have a question from harrison in mechanicsburg pennsylvania who says.

I often hear people say that they are proud of their race they are

proud to be black they are proud to be white they are proud to be asian or hispanic.

They may mean this in a completely appropriate way but far too often it seems that it is nothing more than

arrogance and looking upon oneself as being superior to others.

Shouldn't better terms be used like i am unashamed to be black or white or

hispanic or asian.

Uh is there a confusion being set forth by using the word.

Pride in wrong

ways.

Yeah jump on people if they're

trying to put

forth

one of

the ways.

You know i think maybe may i

never boast of anything except for the cross of christ.

Exactly exactly just whenever you talk about race or

how to make our society a lot easier

to.

Now when you suggest or counsel us not to be legalistic and jump on people don't

you think that it should be according to the context of why and why.

And when we are hearing things like that.

Yeah because you know you have this constant back and forth of people who

uh are saying i am proud of being black.

And then you'll have uh racists responding to that.

Well they could be proud for being black.

I'm proud to be white.

Right.

And this goes back and forth.

And it really is nothing more than a race war even if it doesn't include

violence.

It's a uh a competition on who is superior even if those words aren't used.

And we just have to be careful about being proud of anything.

Even american.

Uh as i was saying earlier or as the listener mentioned about i am certainly unashamed

for being an american.

I am grateful for being an american.

I love being an american even though i'm dismayed by much of what goes on in this country including the

wholesale slaughter the the holocaust of the unborn.

But uh we when it comes to pride it

is a delicate issue that we have to absolutely examine our motives for saying that.

We're believing it

right.

I think you

said

a couple of monday through saturday sunday morning we

get and we need to remember that on

social mission and

non -christian praying i mean

as a calvin.

Their minds maybe

great.

Uh we have.

Let's see here.

Bobby in hartsdale new york.

Who says.

Is it completely appropriate to say that you are proud of your children.

First

he

commends

them for the

grace of

god he

sees in

them.

So i think in that the uh issue

of.

Being attacked being wounded being mocked uh

the the secular society and false christianity offers as an as an antidote

the power of positives thinking the power of self -esteem.

How do we counteract the wounds that many of us

have received and maybe receive daily.

Or we see the wounds being inflicted upon children and others or just

just anyone that we may know for any number of circumstances.

How do we have them.

Or or how do we ourselves counteract this with a biblical

appropriate level of self -worth.

Or even more importantly that we are we are worth

much more than sparrows in the eyes of christ.

That that christ we who are reformed have have often been

accused and sometimes it's not without uh evidence that these

things have been taught or said or believed.

But uh we have been accused of viewing humanity as garbage.

Our view of total depravity sometimes extends beyond what the bible teaches.

And we forget that jesus christ did not die for garbage.

He did not receive the wrath of his own father right for garbage.

He was not the propitiation for sins for garbage.

So how do we respond to being attacked and and having our uh

esteem and confidence and view of ourselves just destroyed without becoming pride proud.

Yeah.

Oh well i think you've already said so much which i

when i first i

didn't want

to add to

any but yet the

more

the

lowly people with

lots of

gifts

after

one.

For not many of you are wise not many of you

are wealthy.

Help people yes you

are.

So we find all our dignity

all our worth.

That's a

long

answer but.

We have an anonymous listener who says i know that you and your

guest i guess he's speaking to me are calvinists.

And why is it that some of the most proud and arrogant christians i've ever met are

calvinists.

That's right.

And i'm one of them.

And and i want our listener to be aware of something uh even though i think that many of us

uh are that are arrogant and proud calvinists and that all of us perhaps

at some times can act that way.

I have been i have been uh in the christian radio industry since the 1980s

and i have met many different kinds of christians from all different kinds of theological perspectives and

denominations and fellowships and brotherhoods.

And there are proud people in all uh of them.

And even uh you know you have the the charismatic element that would say

uh why will calvinists be in heaven before anybody else.

Because the bible says the dead in christ shall rise first.

You know you have all kinds of me you have fundamentalists who hate calvinists

and and have pride uh sometimes in their anti -intellectual positions.

But you could go on and on and on.

Right.

Right.

Uh.

But but but.

But we should be wanting to clean house in our own circles.

And and wouldn't you agree that we are the least uh we should be the least

ones that have the character traits or flaws of pride and arrogance because the doctrines

of sovereign grace are intended to.

Exalt god and humble man to

the dust.

Amen.

Yeah.

Didn't write it to collect one of my endorsers.

Oh wow.

Humble man.

It

was

an old

church.

And

proclaim the truth in a way

nothing

standing on

truth

walking

a manner worthy of

the call.

Point

is is i'm

united to fundamentalists that love jesus.

I'm united to as i've united to mainline christian.

Amen.

And do

you think that.

One of the reasons may be that it appears to stand out more when we who

are reformed or calvinistic are proud and arrogant is because it just happens

to be a historical reality uh that

reformed people tend to gravitate more to a love for

literature and academia and um higher schools of learning and

so on and therefore there's a unique kind of pride that.

Comes out of that.

Oh i think so and and so.

One of my models in this was a professor of mine in college i

have george marston

that he modeled

humility right.

And

that to

be a true calvinist remembers deuteronomy 29 29.

And i'm putting work right.

Amen.

We have

to go

to our final break right.

Now this is your final opportunity to send in a question to our guest chris hutchinson

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hutchinson.

He is a senior pastor of grace covenant presbyterian church in blacksburg virginia we are discussing his book rediscovering humility

why the way up is down.

If you have a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

And please send in your question right away if you intend to write one because we are rapidly running out of

time and pastor chris if you could

before we get so caught up with listener questions that we do run out of time before

having you make this clear i want you to at least have five minutes of uninterrupted time where you could

lay out what you most want.

Etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners when it comes to rediscovering humility.

More of i mean i talk about that in the book that you can't really make him a

hammer down jello just you

know

if

you're

going to

get

looks but

more than

that he's.

And what that

looks

like is to look

like

jesus

name

it

claim

it don't

invite

yourself

up just

dying

to

yourself

amen.

We

have.

Susan margaret in dauphin county pennsylvania who says

that don't we have to be careful not to buy into the modernist lie that to

critique criticize rebuke or chastise those who are an error is a

sign of pride that we should avoid isn't very often the correction of

those whom you know and love.

Who are an error.

A great act of love.

Yeah i mean there's the balance where paul says in love

and again i think christian on the

other side.

We.

It's humble to

submit.

Yes

obviously

many of us.

Maybe even all of us at some time uh we seek to correct error

with pride and arrogance and nastiness and our main goal is to win an argument or to look

smarter or superior to somebody else rather than to have them.

Join you in celebrating and enjoying and believing and rejoicing over.

Certain truths that we may have.

Yeah and you can't.

That's the other thing is you do it right

patient amen.

And if any of our arrogant

calvinist friends listening want to be directed to somebody.

Who's a great role model.

I think for correcting error with great humility and love.

And that would be george whitfield and his friendship with john wesley.

There you go.

And john wesley.

Even though sometimes he responded with love uh his vitriol and the heat

of uh his argumentation with his friend george whitfield sometimes far surpassed the

light that came from him.

And obviously since he was an arminian we would say that that light was often uh

not true light.

Yeah.

A little diminished.

Maybe i i'm sorry i didn't hear that i was gonna say a little diminished.

Right right right right.

Still there.

Yes.

Yeah uh we have an anonymous listener who says one thing

that drives me up a tree is when people falsely

act as if they are humble.

When people compliment and praise them for their gifts by giving

all of the credit to god when it actually reaches a heretical level.

And this i think is especially true amongst some of my friends in the arts.

Or when it comes to literature if they have written a beautiful song or a poem.

And someone says wow that is beautiful.

I love that.

They say oh this came directly from god to me.

This is the holy spirit.

I have nothing to do with it.

They're actually elevating themselves as being a prophet or uh or an orator or

of divinely inspired extra biblical information rather than actually being humble.

Yeah that's that's a good point.

And i've experienced that many times amongst friends and acquaintances.

Right.

And then so

again just you want good

theology we don't i.

What i have found is

the most humble thing.

Thank you.

Glad it was healthy.

You know it was a great text you

know.

On and on and on.

Yeah.

And you're going to

be elevating

whatever it is

you've created

whether

a piece.

Of literature or music or whatever it is you've been elevating it far above what the

person complimenting you ever intended.

Exactly exactly.

I mean uh you know you could say all right.

Calm down i'm not stapling this poem uh next to revelations.

In my bible i mean well i love.

What a humble man could have designed the most beautiful and

not care that he did it in other he just loves the

amen.

Well i want to make sure that our listeners have all of the contact.

Information they need to get a hold of you.

First of all i know that the website of grace covenant presbyterian church in blacksburg virginia

is grace covenant pca .org.

That's grace covenant pca which stands for presbyterian church in america .org.

And of course uh people who want to find out more about your book can go to the website

of new growth press.

That's newgrowthpress .com new growth press .com but they could also order it from

cvbbs .com.

In fact i would prefer that you do that because you're not going to hurt new growth press at all.

Uh by doing that cvbbs .com who sponsors orange ripens iron radio and they do have this book in stock.

They have told me this.

Beforehand.

Uh so cheaper.

It's cheaper there than amazon so go there.

Great or new growth.

Oh great.

We'll go to cvbbs .com make sure you tell todd and patty jennings that you heard about them from iron trip and zion

radio.

Don't forget about the grace bible fellowship church conference this saturday and sunday october 6th and 7th.

Uh that's the grace bible fellowship church in harrisburg pennsylvania featuring mike abendroth on why the reformation still matters.

Go to gracebfc .com gracebfc for bible fellowship church .com

or call 717 -652 -5229 717 -652 -5229.

It has been such a joy interviewing you pastor chris hutchinson.

I look forward to your return.

I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions.

And i want you all to have a safe and blessed and joyful weekend and lord's day.

And i want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far far greater savior

than you are a sinner amen.