February 28, 2018 Show with Audrey Werner on “10 Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Children about Sex”

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February 29, 2019: Audrey Werner, Dean of Life Issues/Professor @ Master’s International University of Divinity, President & Founder of The Matthew XVIII Group: A Purity Paradigm for our homes, churches & nation, former Sex Educator & STD (Sexually Transmitted Disease) Clinic Nurse, Purity Speaker for LifeTalk Crisis Pregnancy Center, National Speaker for RSVP America, “Sex Education Expert” for the American Academy of Biblical Counselors, who will address: “10 TIPS on HOW NOT to TALK To YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT SEX!”

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this last day of February for 2019,
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February 28th. And I am so thrilled to have back for the second time on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, someone who proved to be an absolutely superb guest the first time she was on, and I am expecting nothing less today.
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Her name is Audrey Werner, and she is the Dean of Life Issues and professor at Masters International University of Divinity.
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She is president and founder of the Matthew 18 group, a purity paradigm for our homes, churches, and nation.
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She is a former sex educator and STD, which means sexually transmitted disease, clinic nurse.
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She is a purity speaker for Life Talk Crisis Pregnancy Center, a national speaker for RSVP America, sex education expert for the
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American Academy of Biblical Counselors, and the author of 10 Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Children About Sex, which is our topic today.
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And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Audrey Werner. Thank you,
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Chris, for having me on again, and I echo, it's an honor and a privilege to be on for a second time, so I really appreciate you inviting me back.
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Yes, and I'm looking forward to other future visits from you as well after these two programs.
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Well, we already had you give your testimony, your personal testimony of salvation and how you grew in maturity in your
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Christian life and how you repented of sins that you were experiencing and participating in and how the
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Lord really transformed your life as a Christian woman. But for those of our listeners who have not heard the first interview we conducted, please tell our listeners something about the
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Matthew 18 group. Yes, the
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Matthew 18 group is based on Matthew 18, verses 15 to 17.
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And I started this about 20 years ago when my dear friend
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Eunice Ray, who had started up the RSVP campaign, RSVP America, which stands for Restoring Social Virtue and Purity to America.
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And in that campaign, which ran from 1994 through to 2004, and during that time,
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Eunice Ray, along with Dr. Judith Reisman and Colonel Ron Ray, were able to expose
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Kinsey, Alfred Kinsey's fraudulent science. They were able to get that information to legislators, not only across this country, but across the world.
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And so from that, they were going to the different legislators in the different states to kind of wake up America to the fact that a lot of our laws were changed, especially in the sex offense section based on Kinsey's fraud science.
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So they were doing that, and Eunice Ray had pulled me aside and said, Audrey, you know, we're doing that in the legislatures, but we would love it if we had an organization that actually went in and kind of woke up the church.
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Because what I was finding is that I started 20 years ago looking at a
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Lutheran sex education program, and I found Alfred Kinsey's science had been used to develop the program.
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So I then started contacting them using the Matthew 18 process, which if your brother's sinning, you go to him.
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If they don't listen, you take someone else, and if that doesn't work, you take it on to the church. Well, I had found that the entire church really is in error, that we've kind of adopted and accepted this graphic method of sex education for children, not knowing where it came from and who developed it.
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So the Matthew 18 group is about waking up Christians to the fact that we're using Kinsey's science, especially in the area of sex education, and encouraging
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Christians to get back to God's Word, and he's all about chastity, purity, modesty, and self -control.
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Well, praise God. And this book, 10 Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Children About Sex, would this be basically a book written in general regarding all children of all ages, or did you have specific age groups in mind in regard to the children involved in this book?
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Well, this book is for parents to instruct them on the origins of sex education, where it came from, and what it has done, because we have documented the
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STD and the pregnancy rates have actually exploded since the 1960s, when we officially put sex education in the schools.
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And so I'm sharing the history behind sex education, what the intent was, who developed it, and what the results have been, and then going into just general biblical principles of how can we be guiding our children?
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How can we be raising pure kids in today's society? So it's really...
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I have not only parents that read it, but grandparents and pastors, because it's giving you a lot of good information on what's been going on and why we are where we are today.
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Great. And basically what I was specifically asking you is, in regard to this book on how not to talk to your kids about sex, what are the age groups of the kids that we should even be talking to about sex?
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Is there a... What's the word I'm looking for? What is the youngest age that parents should even begin the process of teaching their children about sex?
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Well, the thing to remember with this, Chris, is the fact that we are programmed to think that we have to talk to our kids about sex.
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And when we've grown and think about the talk, we're thinking we have to go in and tell them how a baby is made.
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And, you know, we squirm and we struggle with that, and there's a reason for that. But if we look historically, prior to the sexual revolution, what did parents do with their children?
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Because you never would have talked to your children about sex. You would not have talked to them graphically about intercourse and described it in detail.
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You would not have made sure that your child knew the correct anatomical name for the genitals.
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That all came out of the sexual revolution. And the intent or the purpose behind that was actually to sexualize kids and not to prevent
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STDs or pregnancy. And so looking historically, again, back to what did they used to do.
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And not just historically. The other factor is, how did the scripture approach the topic? How does
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God in His Word approach that topic? So with this, prior to the sexual revolution, you talked about the flowers, the birds, and the bees.
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And you could talk to your child, you could talk to your toddler, you could talk to your preschooler about the flowers, the birds, and the bees, as you were out in nature.
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And you could point that out with God's life process. For an example, with our children, when they were three or four years old, we would go out in the field and find a really pretty flower and find the stamen and the pistil and talk about the flower and how there's a mommy part and a daddy part in it.
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And isn't that great? When the two parts get together, there's a baby flower, that's how it falls out.
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And that's how it is with you, you know. And that starts the foundation for the talk, which you build upon, because only the parent knows where the child is at developmentally and intellectually and emotionally to what kind of information they can handle.
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I'm going to give our email address right now for anybody who would like to join us on the air with a question.
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It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.
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Please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the
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USA. And only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And I could readily understand a subject like this, any subject about sex, is liable to invoke questions from people who want to remain anonymous.
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So I understand that, but if it's just a general question, please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence.
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Before I start going through the 10 tips, I do want to take a listener's question right away, because it touched on something that you just said providentially.
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Mary in Cork, Ireland sent in a question, and Mary says, Hi Chris and Audrey, thank you for hosting this very important topic.
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I believe innocence is a wonderful God -given right to every child, and the longer it lasts for them, the better.
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The children nowadays here, I'm assuming she means in Cork, Ireland, down to the age of three and under, if they can speak, call their genitals private parts by the correct term, as if they were talking about their ear or their nose.
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They are taught this so that they won't ridicule their body parts and use nicknames out of embarrassment.
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It seems to be the modern way to go forward. I find this reasoning understandable, but personally
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I find it embarrassing, especially when I hear a little four -year -old girl blurt out the name of her private parts in the middle of a conversation without having the wisdom to go with her knowledge.
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I believe that those parts of the body should be treated with more honor, dignity, and modesty. How do you view this, and how would you see this as robbing them of innocence?
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What are your thoughts? I love her question. That is a wonderful question,
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Mary, and that's the whole point. The whole point of sex education and the direct graphic approach is to take away children's modesty and to take away that moral innocence.
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The whole intent today, what we are surrounded with, is a society that is trying to sexualize the kid in every possible way.
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They want to make sure that children identify with sexual identities now, because we're going to pull in, and when you get caught up in a sexual identity, it's hard to have your identity in Jesus Christ and to live that out when you start to focus on a sexual identity.
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So we're pulling kids away from the Lord through sex education, in essence.
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And so I quote good friends of mine, Gary and Ann Mariezzo, they wrote
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Growing Kids God's Way and Baby Wise, and they wrote a really great curricula called
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Protecting the Innocence of Childhood, and I love the quote out of their workbook.
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It says, Childhood innocence is what keeps a child in childhood. Remove the innate innocence of childhood and you remove the essence of childhood.
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In our 35 plus years of parent education, we've come to realize that nothing assaults childhood innocence faster and with more destructive influence than providing children with inappropriate sex knowledge before they're developmentally ready to emotionally, intellectually, and morally manage such knowledge.
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And that's a really great point today, because my question is, if it's so important that we teach our toddler how to say the genital names, have the correct anatomical term for the genital names, why aren't we teaching them any other part of the body?
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Why is the focus on the genitals? Which the point is, that is what they want you to have your child focus on the genitals.
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And if we look to scripture, even when the Lord is talking about parts of the body, you never see a reference to the genitals.
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And I had shared in the last show where as I got into this and realized, oh my gosh,
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I've got to wake up everybody in the entire body of Christ. How do I wake them up to this lie of sex education, and how do
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I get them back to God's Word? And the Lord just kept putting key people in my path, and one of those was
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Dr. Christian Mitchell, who had written a Song of Songs commentary. And I asked him,
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I said, Dr. Mitchell, I said, is God's modesty in scripture?
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And he said, absolutely. He said, Audrey, if you notice, even in Song of Songs, that when
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Solomon is describing his wife, he goes from the navel to the thighs. And he said there's a reason for that, because that was such a holy procreative area that it was treated with a tremendous amount of modesty.
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And when we look to the sexual revolution, the sexual revolution was all about separating out procreation, in matter of fact, eliminating procreation through abortion and sodomy, and then elevating pleasure.
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And that's where we are in society today. So again, if we start with our children very young, teaching them about modesty and helping them to stay children for as long as possible, protecting their moral innocence, then that goes a long way in helping them in the long run in terms of following purity.
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So that was a wonderful question. And she actually has a... I'm sorry, what did you say?
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I just said that was a wonderful question. So I said, thank you, Mary. Oh, okay. And she has a follow -up question.
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I would love to give your book to my unbelieving neighbor, and would appreciate your suggestions as to how to approach her, as I know it is an extremely sensitive and private matter.
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I'm assuming that her neighbor has children that are doing this, blurting out names of their genitalia.
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And by the way, Mary in Cork, Ireland, we know that you are visiting the
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United States, as you have told us. So you'll be able to get that book here in the
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United States when you arrive, because we do not ship books out overseas or anywhere outside of the 50
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United States because of the shipping costs that CVBBS .com
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would have to endure. They are our sponsor, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, who ships out the books.
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And of course, we do not want to burden them with overseas or foreign shipping fees.
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So it's good for you that you're going to be here in the U .S. to get the book. But if you could, do you have any advice, as she asks, suggestions as to how to approach her neighbor, her unbelieving neighbor?
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Yeah, I think the biggest point that, you don't have to be a believer to get this, but the biggest point is when we research and when we look at the origins of sex education, the origins of the direct graphic message, and I shared this in the last show, the fact that sex education was developed by Alfred Kinsey, who was a man who interviewed pedophiles who raped children and came up with the conclusion that children are sexual from birth, based on that data.
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And then we have Mary Calderon, who was the medical director for Planned Parenthood, and we have
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Hugh Hefner. So we have the... Do you realize, I mean, you can say to anybody, do you realize where sex education came from?
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And you can share these three things. Of course, anybody can understand that's pretty darn alarming to hear something like that.
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So it's really, you can start with that preface and then say, this book is about where sex education came from.
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And I give examples of antique books. I've gone through some antique books and pulled out how we used to talk to our kids.
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And it's just, it's very interesting just from that perspective alone, just to read historically, what do we used to do with kids who influenced us and why do we change?
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So I hope that helps. Well, thank you, Mary. Keep listening to Iron Trip and Zion Radio and spreading the word about the program in Cork, Ireland and beyond.
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We'll take one more question before we go into the 10 tips. We have another Mary. This Mary spells her name with an
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I rather than a Y, and she is in Shillington, Pennsylvania. And Mary from Shillington, Pennsylvania wants to know,
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I have been very compassionate and involved in assisting people who work with victims of human trafficking.
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I was wondering if you and your ministry are involved in this at all, and is there any way that I can assist you with your ministry?
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Okay. In terms of assisting me with my ministry, I've had people say that.
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Definitely pray about, Lord, what can I do? How can I help this woman? And then definitely contact me.
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I would love to talk to you. In terms of sex trafficking, as we can see, as I talked about the statistics of STDs rising and teen pregnancy rising, something else alarming that happened is once society started to believe that children are sexual from birth, that also meant buying into the lie that Kinsey said, which was children having sex, it's not harmful for them at all.
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As a matter of fact, it's beneficial to them. And we have a lot of people today who truly believe that, that are abusing children.
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We also have things to, for Kinsey's science, pornography was made legal in the 1950s.
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It used to be against the law. As a matter of fact, Abraham Lincoln had one of the first laws, because he saw that soldiers looking at naked pictures, that that weakened the troops.
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So there was a law put into place for that to make sure that wasn't happening. Those laws were all removed once Kinsey's science said we're all sexual animals and we shouldn't be restricted.
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And it's nothing harmful. So now we have this awful sex trafficking that we're dealing with.
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And I do, I remember speaking to one parent group, and I had a parent come up to me who had recently adopted two little girls that had been rescued from sex trafficking, and they were two and four years old.
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So when they were one and three years old, they were put in rooms with men. And so this woman came up and said, you know, oh my gosh,
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I've got to talk to them about sex, because they've had this awful life. And I said, but I said, you are to look at these children through Jesus' eyes and not through Kinsey's eyes.
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And I said, they still need to know about God's standard of purity. They need to know about self -control.
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They need to know these basic things, chastity and modesty. Those are all things that you can teach them.
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They've seen the satanic view, but they've not seen God's view. So you still are going to teach those.
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You're going to look at them through Jesus' eyes, and you're going to treat them like holy, precious children of God and instruct them in that way.
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So we have to understand that sex education is really childhood pornography.
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I mean, if we want to get down to it, and I've heard Carol Everett, who's one of the prominent pro -life speakers, when she's out speaking, that's what she calls sex education.
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It is childhood pornography. And when we look at children being abused, oftentimes they are exposed to pornography by the abuser to prepare them for sex.
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So the whole push, and I've been working in the Church, and now more recently, now
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I'm working with state legislators on the fact that we need to get sex ed out of the schools.
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It used to be against the law to even say the word sexual intercourse in a classroom up to the age of 21.
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That's how much we protected the moral innocence of our children before.
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So we need to start to look at these laws, where Kenzie, science was used to make this stuff legal, and we need to remove these laws, and we've got to start protecting the moral innocence of our kids.
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Because if we can raise them up to be purer, then we're not going to be dealing with STDs, we're not going to be dealing with pregnancy, we're not going to be dealing with abortion, kids attracted to pornography.
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If they've got standard of purity, that protects them from all of that, and that's what we need to do, especially in the
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Church, but across the world, we need to be doing that. Okay, since we are drawing near to our first station break,
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I might as well take one more listener question before we go into your 10 tips. And by the way, Mary with an
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I in Shillington, Pennsylvania, please give us your full mailing address in Shillington so that we can have
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And thank you for the excellent question. We have Maggie, who is actually the
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Maggie who listens to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, who directed us and recommended us to interview our guest today,
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Audrey Werner, Maggie in Plano, Texas. And Maggie says, thank you for doing another show with Chris.
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I honestly believe that you could do this once a week with the constant assault against godly sexuality and sexual innocence in society today, to help keep us educated in this extremely important area.
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Aside from waiting until ages that are appropriate to speak with our children in a society such as ours, that is so overtly sexualized, what methods would you recommend for protecting our children from information which we do not want them to have, especially if we have no choice but to place them in a public school system?
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That is a loaded question. Thanks, Maggie. Wow, yeah.
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And the other thing is, you will hear, I've heard this from a lot of speakers, and that's kind of why my book is also titled,
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How Not to Talk to Your Kids About Sex, because there's so many authors of Christian sex ed programs that have this rationale that say, you've got to go in there and you've got to talk to your kids about sex first, because they're going to hear it from somebody else, and it's better to hear it from you.
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And I have heard parents, oh my gosh, now I've got to talk about oral sex with my child, because that's out there.
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And then someone else, oh my gosh, now I've got to talk about this and that, because as we get more deviant, then we've got to go and talk to our children about more deviancy.
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Again, where's our focus? Our focus has to be in raising up the next generation for the
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Lord. Our focus should be in teaching our children about God's Word. In terms of modesty, teaching your children about modesty and looking away when they have these...
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We taught our children when they were young about modesty, about being covered up and not running around naked when they're five or six or seven.
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We started to teach them about modesty as they were getting older. I'll give the example of...
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We don't watch TV anymore. That's one way to get rid of it, but we don't watch
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TV anymore, because American television is so graphic. But one morning we had on Good Morning America, and there was a picture of Kim Kardashian from the back, and it was very graphic.
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But they had it on Good Morning America, but it had flashed up so fast, and my young son walked into the room, and he saw it, and he just went, ah!
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And he turned around, because he knew to shield his eyes. We had taught him that early on, that if he's ever exposed to something graphic, to turn away, which is what
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God said his words were to turn from, were to flee from. So general principles like that growing up.
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And again, if they have a relationship with the Lord, which is our first... should be our first and foremost priority with our children, is that help them have that relationship with the
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Lord, because everything... We always said this. Everything that you do... We say this to our children all the time.
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Everything that you do represents you, represents your family, and represents the Lord. So it's important that we focus on that with our kids first, and then, you know, build upon that.
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So, and in terms of putting them in the public school, I have friends who are battling the sex education program, but it is getting so bad, because this is about indoctrinating children, and it is getting so bad that I have so many people that I know that are pulling them, and yes, it's sacrifice.
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Trust me, I know. We homeschooled, and it was sacrifice, because I'm an RN, and instead of me working and helping to support the family, we made the sacrifices for me to be home to homeschool these kids.
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So again, knowing, are we going to put them in the middle of where the enemy is attacking, or are we going to raise them up for the
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Lord? Well, thank you Maggie and Plano, Texas. Let us know whether or not you already have this book.
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If you don't, we'll ship you out a free one, but since you are the one that referred us and recommended us to Audrey Werner, our guest today,
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I assume you may have it, but if you don't have it, we'll have CVBBS .com ship a copy out to you in Plano, Texas.
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Make sure we have your full mailing address if you don't have the book. Now we're going to our first break, and please send us an email with a question, if you'd like, to chrisarnsen at gmail .com,
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Don't go away. We'll be right back with Audrey Werner and 10 tips on how not to talk to your kids about sex.
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Audrey, as you know, more is caught than is taught. Tell us about that.
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I have a feeling I know what that means hearing it from other kids, but if you could let us know.
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Yeah, we want to start out with parents because we are the first generation to have been lied to and deceived.
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And by that, I mean we were the first generation. I was born in the early 1960s, so I'm referring to from that point on, we were the first generation to have gone through sex education.
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So what that means is we were taught early on, we've been trained and our modesty has been removed.
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So we watched things and we did things that probably our grandparents didn't do.
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So I know that this generation of parents, many are struggling with sexual sin that they have from the past.
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Maybe they're even struggling with sexual sin that they're struggling with now, whether it's addiction to pornography or whatever.
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So if we're going to raise up the next generation, then we need to make sure first that we are modeling purity and modesty, chastity and self -control to our children because that speaks volumes over any words that we're going to give to our children.
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So the first thing is to examine our environment that we have our family in.
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What are the things that we're watching and that we're spending our time on? What are we putting before our eyes?
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So that's really, really important. Are we honoring God in what we're watching and what we're hearing?
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So that is important, but also the fact that many parents, a lot of parents have come up to me.
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I had one parent who came up to me in tears and said, I wish I had you as a parent because my life would have turned out differently.
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And the point of that was she was struggling with sexual sin and she said, how could
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I possibly talk to kids about purity when I erred in that area?
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And the whole point of that is that we have a loving Savior who died on the cross for our sins and we have simply to repent of that and to leave that at the cross and God provides that forgiveness and that healing and that restoration.
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But what I find is a lot of people go to the cross with that sin, but then they take it back and they put it back in their backpack, and it's as if Satan just continues to beat us down with that.
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So we need to repent of any sexual sins of our past. We need to look to the
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Lord for guidance, and as I said, more is caught than is taught.
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We have a listener in Bangor, Maine. John in Bangor, Maine wants to know what your opinion is about healthy romantic expressions of love that parents demonstrate towards each other in front of their children.
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Obviously nothing of a sexual nature, nothing like having makeout sessions in front of them, but I'm talking about cuddling in front of the
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TV and other acts of affection, kissing each other on the cheek, and isn't this a healthy thing for children to witness their parents doing?
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Yeah, and that's a great point to bring up, and I know sometimes people in the Church can be really legalistic on things, but certainly, you know, those hugs and kisses, that is, we do want to display affection for one another, definitely in front of our children.
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So yeah, that I have no problem with, and I try not to be in the legalistic mode, but again, you know, we want to follow
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Scripture, but it doesn't address that per se. So yeah, that's fine.
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Well, let's go to tip number two, approach the topic with modesty. You obviously already addressed modesty a bit, but if you could elaborate on that as far as the tip.
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Yeah, with that, I start out that chapter talking about something that was really interesting when
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I started this ministry 20 years ago at the Lutheran School, where I actually, it was my alma mater, where I had gone as a child, and I remember in fourth grade getting that book from the
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Learning About Sex series, getting that book and feeling very uncomfortable with the material in it, you know, the pictures of the naked genitals and the descriptions in it, and I remember as a child,
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I guess that's my way of protecting my innocence, putting it in my desk at the farthest away point, the deepest part of my desk
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I could get it to, and you know, fast forward to now
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I'm an adult, and my firstborn was going to that same school. He was in kindergarten, and they still had the
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Learning About Sex series there. So I, of course, that's where I started my research and realized what was happening, and I asked the principal,
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I said, you know, some parents have some concerns about the Learning About Sex series. Could I meet with them? And what
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I would do is I would give them the book for that age group, which has the description of sexual intercourse in it, what needs to go into what and all of that, and so I would pick a father out of the crowd, and I would give him the book, and I'd say, okay, could you read this to everybody here?
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And there'd be dead silence, and of course he couldn't read it because of modesty that he had, and I said, okay, then why are we doing this in the classroom with our children?
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So, you know, God has, as I said earlier in the show, God even models modesty in Scripture as Solomon goes from the side of the navel.
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But I want to read you a quote that I have in the book, and it's from, I love this book, it was written in 1912 by Mrs.
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Woodall and Chapman, and she wrote a book called How Shall I Tell My Child? And I thought, oh, is this really what
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I think it is? And it was. Well, someone in the book had, toward the end, she kind of had a
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Q &A section, and in it, someone had asked if she should tell her daughter of 14 everything, and so this is what she, how the author answered her.
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To this mother, I say with renewed emphasis that information does not protect. I would be extremely careful in what
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I said to a girl of 14. To tell her everything in detail, as this mother suggests, might be to put her in a place of great danger.
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We must remember that just at this period of her life, the creative forces of her being are receiving a new impulse.
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Not only are new powers awakening in her body, but in her mind as well. Especially is her imagination increasing greatly in its activity, and it is prone to follow any suggestion made to it along the line of this new process of development, and therein lies the danger of the plan this mother proposes.
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Now, I think that's a wonderful quote, and this is a woman who didn't have 50 years of data of what has happened since sex education has come out.
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I really believe this is the Holy Spirit speaking through this woman, because words, sexual words and images are powerful, and so it's really important that we approach this topic with a tremendous amount of modesty, just as God does in Scripture.
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By the way, I don't know if I told John in Bangor, Maine that he won a copy of the book, but you did, John, so just make sure we have your full mailing address in Bangor, Maine.
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Identity matters. We've been hearing that phrase or that word, identity, a lot lately in the media, and in very disturbing ways, but what do you mean by this chapter titled,
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Identity Matters? Well, again, going back to 1 Peter 2 .9,
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that you're a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who calls you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
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I think the thing that is so important is, you're right, children are being given this new identity.
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I'll give you, here's an example. This is a book called Sex is a Funny Word, which is being used with children in preschool now, and here's a quote from the book.
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It says, when we were born, a doctor or a midwife calls us a boy or a girl because of what we look like on the outside.
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They choose a word or label, usually boy or girl or male or female, to describe our bodies, but that's based on our outside, our cover, and who they think we are.
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What about our whole body inside and out? What about who we think we are? So again, planting that identity or that question of your identity is really under great attack today, you know, because our identity is in Jesus Christ and the maleness and the femaleness that He has created, and now that is under attack.
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So again, it's really important that we are nurturing our children's relationship with the
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Lord, because if their identity is in the Lord, then that will speak volumes.
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And I quote a friend of mine who wrote a book called
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The Failure of Sex Education in the Church, Linda Bartlett, and I love what she said.
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She said, it matters how we identify ourselves. If we're mistaken about our identity, we're going to be mistaken about our purpose, our behavior, and our choices.
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So if we focus on their identity in Jesus Christ, that's going to affect their behavior, their purpose, and their choices.
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So again, we want to counter what the world is throwing at them, which is to have that sexual identity, which can go in any direction nowadays.
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So it's really important that we focus on that with our children. We have an anonymous listener who says,
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I have friends who see nothing wrong with the beauty pageants that little tiny children, prepubescent children, are involved in, particularly, obviously, little girls.
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They are very often dressed in provocative clothing that even adults, if they are
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Christian, should not be wearing in public. What is your guest's view of these events, which very often, especially in the
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South, are participated in by Christians? Again, you know, parents are, you are the first and last line of protection for your children.
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So the world is trying to sexualize children at younger and younger ages. I remember being in a department store and seeing songs for elementary school children and thinking, oh my gosh, what parent would do that?
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So again, common sense would tell you that we don't want to sexualize our children.
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Judith Reisman, who is the leading expert on Kinsey, she had done a great amount of, it's interesting, she used to work for, way back in the day,
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Captain Kangaroo on television, which was a children's program when I was very young.
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Yes, and one of my favorite shows as a kid. In fact, Bob Keeshan, Captain Kangaroo, lived on Long Island, in West Babylon, Long Island, and he actually lived right behind the
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First Baptist Church of Babylon, Long Island, and used to occasionally visit that church, although I don't know anything about his personal faith when he was still with us on this earth, but just thought
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I'd throw that trivia out there. Wow, yeah, well, and her background, and she also then saw how images, you know, because again, she's dealing with television and images and those types of things, and she started to do extensive research, she's researching on Kinsey, on pornography.
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As a matter of fact, I think she served on the, there was a team that President Reagan had put together to address the pornography issue with James Dobson was on it, and Judith was on it, and in her study of pornography, now this was, you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, and she found that a third of pornography had children, images of children as sexual beings in the pornography magazine.
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So again, adopting Kinsey's, you know, children are sexual from birth, so when we're sexualizing children, we're, again, they're getting that sexual identity as well as the adult who has believed this lie through pornography that children are sexual, and I have a quote, because I'm talking about in the identity how each profession has changed.
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We've adopted this children are sexual from birth, so now schools have sex education. We've adopted it, and now when you take your 13 -year -old son to the pediatrician, he's going to pull him aside and ask him if he's sexually active, because we've been taught through our medical training that, you know, kids are going to be sexually active, and of course churches have adopted sex education.
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The laws have changed. The restrictions or the penalty for a pedophile used to be that he was thrown in prison and the key was thrown away, or he was put to death.
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That was a pretty strong deterrent that now, because Kinsey said it's not harmful, the pedophile now is therapeutically managed and put back on the streets.
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But I put a quote in the book that just talks about, again, the sexualizing of children, and it is, the extreme seductiveness of a young female is a factor which has no place in the law, but it certainly affects motivation.
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Even at the age of four or five, the seductiveness may be so powerful as to overwhelm the adult into committing the offense.
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The affair is therefore not always the result of the adult's aggression. Often the young female is the initiator and the seducer.
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So we're talking about a four -year -old saying a four -year -old is a seducer, and this is the
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Vanderbilt Law Review, which affected loosening those penalties against the pedophile.
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Wow, that seems like an area that even most leftists would be appalled by. Well, but that's why the laws change.
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That's why you can go on your website and find the pedophile in your neighborhood, all the sex offenders that are registered, because they're allowed to be out there because this kind of junk was brought in and the laws were changed based on, again,
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Kinsey Science. So going back to the beauty pageant, obviously what's happening is we're sexualizing children and that's very wrong, very, very wrong, taking away their moral innocence.
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Yeah, how about, I have a feeling I know where you're going to go with this judging by what you just said, but something that's more common all over the
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United States and perhaps the world is not something as elaborate as a beauty pageant, but even
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I have seen, and I've gotten knots in the pit of my stomach when I see parents do this, but they will get such a big kick and a big laugh at bringing out their young tiny child, particularly a girl, who can dance and sing to the the top pop artists very often who are singing very provocative and sexually driven songs.
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This is really totally out of line, isn't it? Well, and I always thought you were going to bring up like dance competitions, you know, a lot of children get into dance and they can have, you know, very provocative outfits or dances that they do as well.
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So again, but you know, these are parents who were born into the sexual revolution and know no different.
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This certainly isn't something you would have done 100 years ago. So we've all been lied to and deceived and we've shifted in how we look at children.
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And again, we have got to get back to how we used to look at children, which was they were holy and innocent and we protected their innocence.
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So he is one of the speakers at this Sanctification Through Suffering conference.
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Frank Mullis is also one of the speakers. Frank Mullis is actually going to be our guest tomorrow, and his area of expertise is not totally foreign to what we're talking about today, because Frank is a counselor to prison inmates who are sexual offenders, one of a very rare career for someone to have, and I thank
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I say Colleen, I'm sorry, Colleen Sharpe is also a speaker. She was just our guest on Tuesday here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and this is going to be held in New Jersey.
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Audrey Werner who is the author of that book and if you'd like to join us on the air our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com
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Tip number four, Audrey, don't use the sex word if you could elaborate. Yeah, I did some research on some of the words that we use and sex has changed in its meaning just as the word gay has changed in its meaning through the years and also connected to the sexual revolution.
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I looked up the word sex in the 1828 Webster's Dictionary and it said the distinction between male and female or the property or character by which an animal is male or female.
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The male sex is usually characterized by muscular strength, boldness and firmness. The female is characterized by softness, sensibility and modesty.
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Then looked at the 1935 Webster's Dictionary and it still had the physical distinction between male and female.
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It wasn't until Kinsey's books were launched first in 1948,
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Sexual Behavior in the Human Male and then Sexual Behavior in the Human Female that we noticed in 1953 a third definition is added to the term sex, which is anything connected with sexual gratification or reproduction.
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If we look at that word when we say sex, what does that mean today? It could mean a whole host of things and if we look to scripture and how
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God uses words in scripture, we note that chaste is mentioned three times, pure and other forms of the word purely, pureness, purify and purity are mentioned 130 times in the
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Bible. If you look up the word sex, sexuality or sexual intercourse, it's not mentioned in God's Word.
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The point is when we look to even the Lord referencing to procreation, it's to know to become one flesh to begin.
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So looking at all of that, we have raised our children, when they were young, we called it the marital act, which means only one thing between a husband and wife.
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So the point is that when we use the term sex, we have to be careful because the world interprets it totally different than what the
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Lord does. So it's important that we understand what does God's Word have to say about that.
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So that's why we say don't use the sex word. Great. We have, let's see here, we have
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Christian in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who asks, normally when a preacher is faithful to the
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Word of God and teaching the whole counsel of God, issues regarding sex come up in sermons.
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How can we shelter our children from discussions over these things if they are sitting with us in a pew in a church hearing a sermon that has some kind of reference to sex acts, either godly ones that are biblically permitted or some that are wicked and abominations?
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Right. And again, even, and I have heard that a lot from people who have said to me that they were in a church, heard a very graphic sermon, and wished that their child had not been sitting next to them.
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Because again, pastors today were born into the sexual revolution. So in terms of modesty and how we approach these topics, we've become a very graphic society.
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So that also carries into sometimes the sermons. Sometimes pastors will give you the disclaimer of, if you have a child under the age of 13, you know, we recommend that they leave.
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But sometimes you don't have that. So again, when we look to God's Word and how
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He models a tremendous amount of modesty, even when we're approaching any of these topics in Scripture, you hope that they would do that.
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But yeah, that's a good point that Christian makes, is that how do you shield?
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Because there is sometimes, even churches can be a culprit of taking away children's moral innocence.
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Sometimes youth pastors can be extremely graphic, sometimes Sunday school teachers.
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So again, going back to God's Word, how does He model it to us? And if that has happened to your child, you know, taking them back to God's Word and how
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He models modesty. I have to share that when we started with our children in this, and I'm a nurse,
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I'm an RN, so I started with the, you know, using the correct term for the genitals, and I had to go back and apologize to my children that I realized where that came from, and that wasn't coming from God and His Word, and I want to honor
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God in how I approach this. So I asked for their forgiveness, and then I said, we're going to do this differently.
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We're going to talk about, you know, we're going to say the marital act, we're going to say the private parts instead of the names for the genitals.
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So, you know, we shifted that. But He does bring up, I appreciate
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Christian bringing up that point, because it is heartbreaking, but sometimes it does happen in the Church as well.
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Well, let me follow up with that. Obviously, not every pastor is going to be graphic in his language with a detailed description of a sex act, but there are passages in the
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Scripture, if a pastor is involved in expository preaching, there are texts that have mention of sex acts that, of course, as I was saying, they are not detailed, at least in our
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English translations, because from what I understand from my friend Dr. James R.
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White of Alpha Omega Ministries, who's a Greek scholar, New Testament Greek scholar, the term that Paul uses for homosexual is actually male penetrator, which is actually obviously a vividly graphic term.
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But other than that, since most of us are using English Bibles, how do you respond to a pastor who is basically bringing up monogamy within marriage or a prohibition to homosexuality, something like that, where he's not giving people titillating details, graphic descriptions, but he's just mentioning something that is in the
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God -breathed text? Right, right. Yeah, and again,
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I think those things can be said, but I think a pastor also has to be, as I said, not looking at children through Jesus' eyes, but Kinsey's eyes.
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So if a pastor is covering those topics, perhaps does a child need to be in that sermon, hearing that sermon?
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Would that be something that the parent would have sat down and talked about, you know, polygamy or some of these other issues?
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So, you know, I'm not a theological expert in regards to that, but I would just hope that a pastor would use discernment in terms of, much they're getting into it, and then understanding that they've got children in the congregation there.
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Is that a message that they should be hearing at that age? We have, oh, by the way, Christian, you've won a free book, 10
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We have the next tip, teach self -control.
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Yes, that is in regards to what is called masturbation now, what used to be called self -abuse, actually, and in most circles today, actually in school even, children are taught that it's healthy to masturbate, that this is the first way that they can obtain sexual pleasure.
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So some child experts will say that's no problem with that, but I, again,
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I quote the woman from 1912 because I think she said it so beautifully.
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Her chapter was called, When a Wrongful Habit Has Been Formed, and what she said is, from the very first hour of its birth, the baby is either being taught self -indulgence or self -control through every experience of its daily life.
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She, a mother, can tell him or her of the sacredness of that part of the body because it's connected with the bringing in of children into the world and the great need of guarding it carefully from all possible harm.
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Tell the child that those organs are as sensitive as the eye and would be greatly harmed by rubbing or other misuse as the eye would be.
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So she, again, it's a good point in that are we teaching self -control, are we teaching self -indulgence?
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And what I say in the book is definitely we don't overreact because that is there, and a child sitting in a tub is going to find it, and it'll be there, and how we respond is also very important.
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You're not to get emotional or to scold the child, but simply redirect the activity for the very young child.
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It's something where we're teaching self -control versus, as it used to be called, self -abuse, or as this author called it, self -indulgence.
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So I thought that was a good way to put that. So that was something I thought that needed to be addressed in the book.
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Sure. Well, we have to go to our final break right now. It's a lot more brief than the last one. If you have a question, send it in now.
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ChrisArnson at gmail .com. ChrisArnson at gmail .com because we're rapidly running out of time.
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We hope to hear from you soon with your question and the remainder of our program with Audrey Werner on 10
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Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Kids About Sex. Don't go away.
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We are now back with our discussion with Audrey Werner, 10 Tips How Not to Talk to Your Kids About Sex.
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And our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. chrisarnson at gmail .com if you have a question.
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And since Maggie in Plano, Texas was instrumental in getting you as our guest today,
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Audrey, we will allow her a second question because she just sent in one. And her question is, let's see,
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I've got to enlarge this font because it's microscopic. So while I'm doing that, I'm going to ask our listeners, if you have a question, send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.
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That's chrisarnson at gmail .com. chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence.
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And we have the question from Maggie in Plano, Texas. I'd love it if Audrey would address what seems to me to be a common misconception in the church about the scripture, which is often quoted that the marriage bed is undefiled, when in fact it says let marriage be held in honor among all and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
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And that's from Hebrews chapter 13, verse 4. There seems to be a huge distinction with a difference.
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Okay, yeah. When I started this ministry 20 years ago, my focus was sex education because the
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Lutheran sex ed series, the learning about sex series published by Concordia Publishing House had developed that sex education series with the use of Alfred Kinsey science, known humanists, and people who worked for Planned Parenthood.
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And in doing that, I thought, okay, I can wake up parents to that. But in researching sex education, which came out of the sexual revolution,
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I also had to look at other issues, such as the life issue, the birth control issue, because all churches were against birth control until the teachings of Margaret Singer and Alfred Kinsey influenced many in the church to shift on that.
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And then we have the issue of the marriage bed being cured and undefiled.
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And of course, people think of the adultery issue there. But many Christian books,
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I tend to go, when I go into churches, I go to their libraries and I start looking in the section where either the
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Christian sex ed section or the books on marriage. And a lot of people will tell me this, that their pastor, if they have a question about something that's happening in the marriage bed, that they'll go and talk to the pastors.
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And oftentimes, the advice that they get is, as long as you're both comfortable with it, as long as you're both consenting, whatever you do behind closed doors is okay.
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And that's a very dangerous statement to make, given the society that we live in today and what has been normalized.
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So just the act of sodomy, we talked earlier about Paul's description of the homosexual, but in the
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King James version, talking about the sodomite, the effeminate, and those types of things.
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And again, that comes back to the normalization of acts that happen in the marriage bed.
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So I think when I'm looking at that, it's not just adultery, but it's beyond that.
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It's what are we doing? Are we honoring God behind closed doors?
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So I'm not sure if that answers her question in regards to that, but that is the third area where I think that the church has bought into the life that came out of the sexual revolution.
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And many in the church have shifted their stance in accepting sodomy in the marriage bed when it was clearly a perversion prior to the sexual revolution.
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Yeah, from what I'm reading in Maggie's question, she is basically saying that I'm assuming that people are leaving out the part that let marriage be held in honor among all.
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I guess that's what she is saying. Because thank you, Maggie, for another excellent question.
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And she did inform us that she does not have the book, so we're going to have it shipped to Plano, Texas. Our friends at CVBBS .com,
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that is, are shipping it to Plano, Texas. So thank you for giving us your full mailing address over there.
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And please, if you could explain foundations, use the Bible to talk with your children.
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Yeah, that is just to encourage parents that we have such a rich resource in using the
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Bible to talk to our children about marriage, the first marriage being Adam and Eve. We can talk about God's life process in Genesis 4, with Adam knowing his wife and generations beginning.
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As I referenced earlier, the word purity, just looking up that, the 130 references in Psalm 119, verse 9, how can a young man cleanse his way by taking heed according to your word?
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Talking about pornography, we addressed with our sons in their junior high years, talking about Proverbs 6 and 7, the seductive woman and the not -so -smart guy, and how that seductive woman is pornography today.
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So learning lessons from that. How do we treat one another?
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How do, in 1 Timothy 5, verse 1, where Paul exhorts
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Timothy to treat all young women as sisters with all purity, and our sons, as they got into high school and saw their peers dating, and what they were doing, and trying to apply that scripture of, but that doesn't, you know,
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I'm not treating her as a sister if I do that, and I'm not treating her with purity. And talking to our teenagers, the difference between biblical love and lust, when
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I work in the Crisis Pregnancy Center and sit down with young people, and we talk about that first Corinthians passages where it talks about love is patient, and I'll ask them, okay, well, what's the opposite of that?
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And they say, well, in a hurry. And I say, well, okay. And then they say, well, love is kind.
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What's the opposite? Well, not so nice, unkind. So going through each one of those attributes, which lists what biblical love is, and then having them identify what is the opposite of each one, then at the end,
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I'll say, okay, that's lust. That's lust. And of course, you know, the young person will go, gosh,
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I thought I was in love, but I'm not, I'm in lust. And I want biblical love. That's what I want.
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So it's just such a rich source that we can use in using scripture. So that's what that chapter is about, is talking about how we use
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God's word to educate our children. And you have next, when your child asks you questions about sex, ask them more questions first.
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It sounds like you are telling people to imitate Jesus there. Not that Jesus was specifically talking about sex, but he would always follow up questions with questions, and I've heard that's a very
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Jewish thing. Well, you want to clarify, because if Johnny comes to you and says, mom, where, mommy, where am
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I from? He could want to know what city he was born in. That may not mean that, oh my gosh, I have to sit down and do the sex talk.
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So it's really important that we ask more questions of our children. And if your children are giving you graphic, they're giving you graphic information that they've been exposed to, you need to find out where that source is coming from and handle that.
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I give the example in the book of, and I've had parents say, you know, oh my gosh, my child got this graphic information.
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And I give the example of our one son in second grade. He was, you know, it was evening and he was taking a bath, and I stuck my head in and I said, are you okay?
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You need anything? And my son, you know, shared with me something graphic that he had been exposed to in school.
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And when I was talking to him, I said, you know, do you remember when we talked about the flower? And he goes, yeah, and, you know, the importance of the marital act.
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And he said, yeah. And I said, you know, that is such a holy procreative act that God doesn't even talk about it in detail in scripture because it's such a special gift between a husband and a wife.
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And he goes, really? And that's all the information he needed at that time. So it's really important that when our children are asking us questions that we probe a little bit more and find out what exactly, clarify, what exactly are they trying to get?
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What kind of information are they trying to get from us? So that was the point of that. Look at your children through the eyes of Jesus.
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Yes, that is really important because we, again, we're a generation that believes that we're supposed to give graphic information to our children, but that came from a really bad source.
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So it's important that we look at how did Jesus treat children in scripture. And he even warns, you know, in Matthew 18, verse 6, whoever causes one of these little ones who believes in me to sin, it'd be better for him to have a millstone around his neck and he is drowned in the depths of the sea.
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We don't want to lead our little ones to sin. We don't want to lead them to sexual sin.
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Sexual information, sexual words and images are powerful. So again, instead of us looking, you know, we want to make sure that we're not looking at our children through Kinsey's eyes, which would mean they're sexual beings from birth and they need to be taught how to handle their sexuality, to rather, these are precious children of the
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Lord, and how would Jesus treat them? So that is some of what I talk about in that chapter.
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And this, I think, may clear up a lot of confusion that there may be some listeners that are thinking wrongly in regarding or misinterpreting some of the things you're saying.
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And this is, we want our children to be morally innocent but not naive.
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Yes, yes. Some parents would say that I'm just not going to address it all.
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I'm just going to, you know, try and keep them completely ignorant of that. And that's the wrong approach, because we do need to give them a foundation.
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We need to give them a biblical foundation that they can then build upon. We need to give them
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God's view versus what the world is trying to impress upon them. So I share in there the importance of, well, when
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I first got up to speak about this matter, I was serving in the
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Lutheran school where I had, you know, been, I had gone there as a child. And now my oldest is in kindergarten there.
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And they had, that year was the year to review all the curriculas. So I was put on the sex ed curriculum review committee.
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And I had to get up and speak for 15 minutes on why I thought Kinsey was in there sex ed. And it was the most difficult 15 minutes of my life that it was the first time
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I ever spoke about Kinsey being in sex ed. And at the end of it, a gentleman got up and was very angry, a
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Lutheran teacher. And he said, you know, why you? Why now? This sex ed program has been out for 30 years. Why are you questioning this?
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Why isn't anybody else? And then he went on to share how he hadn't gotten any information and how he was embarrassed in the locker room.
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So we can give basic information to our children. And we still can protect their moral innocence.
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But we don't want to not give them any information so that they're completely naive.
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So that is the point with that chapter. So we actually have time for tip number 10.
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The sexual revolution can continue with our children or it can end with our children.
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Yes. I give a bit more history of the sexual revolution in that chapter.
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And that morality is really a national security issue. Samuel Adams, one of the signers of the
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Declaration of Independence, said, a general disillusion of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy.
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While the people are virtuous, they cannot be subdued. That when once they lose their virtue, they'll be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.
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The whole pillar of the sexual revolution is sex education.
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There are three. If you're going to shift a Christian nation away from God, there's three areas that you target.
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You target the men because they're the head of the family.
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So pornography is legalized in the 1950s. You target marriage because it's the foundation of the family.
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And so it wasn't gay marriage becoming legal. That was the attack on marriage.
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But going back even further to when sex outside of marriage became legal, because it used to be illegal.
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And then the third is to attack the children, which is sex education.
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So it's really critical that we remove sex education from the schools, that we give it back to the parents, because the parents are the first and last line of defense for their children.
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They are the ones that God commands to be the one raising up their children and educating their children.
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And so it's important that parents understand, are they going to allow other people to give their children a different identity?
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Or are they going to take on the role and the responsibility of impressing upon their children their identity being in Jesus Christ and living pure lives in a very sexualized society?
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Well, I just really, really enjoyed this very extremely informative interview with you,
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Audrey, and I look forward to your return to Iron Trip and Zion Radio in the future. Please keep us updated on anything else you're writing or if there's another subject related to this that you'd like to address.
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But I want to make sure our listeners have all of your contact information. The Matthew 18 ministry website is
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Matthew18 .org, Matthew18 .org, or you could use
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Roman numerals as well, MatthewXVIII .org, and do you have anything else in regard to contact information that you'd like to share?
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Yeah, they can contact me. We also have the Matthew 18 Facebook page, so you can also check out the ministry there.
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It's called the Matthew 18 group as well. So yeah, I would love to hear from anybody.
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Well, thank you so much. I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in questions, and make sure you mark your calendar for tomorrow.
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Frank Mullis, a Christian counselor for sex offenders, will be on the program. I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater
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Savior than you are a sinner. We look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests tomorrow on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.