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Cling to the cross then put both arms around it Hold to the crucified and never let him go

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I'm a fresh to the cross at this moment and rest there now and forever

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Then with the power of God resting upon you go forth and preach the cross

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Rob's been raptured I'm only joking. I've not been rapture

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But we do want to talk about the rapture tonight on labor's podcast Stick with us.

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Welcome to the laborers podcast, which is a part of the truth in love

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Network Join us as together. We strive to grow up together in all things into Christ subscribe and follow the truth and love network on Facebook YouTube rumble

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Spotify and iTunes now, let's join our laborers for tonight's broadcast

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Welcome to the laborers podcast. We are thankful that you are with us or listening or watching later

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The comment line is open if you would like to give us a shout out a critique

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Say hello a prayer request whatever it may be We just love to hear from you and as you saw at the very beginning the labor's conference is coming up this

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April So go to labor's conference comm and you can register there. We'd love to see you in Newton, North Carolina Guys, how are you doing?

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Good evening and good morning to you brother Mario Well, thank you

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I envy your cool Studios there. I have

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I have a cool studio myself, but I have no access to it 2 o 'clock in the morning

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So I have to do it on my phone So you have to bear with my very humble background here

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Well, we're humbled that you were able and chose to get up that early in the morning where you are to be with us tonight

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I'm I'm truly thankful Appreciate the invitation. Thanks. Mm -hmm

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I'm doing good. I'm doing good The dude I'm sorry,

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I heard like Overlapping voices. Did you ask me and Troy how we're doing? I did.

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I'm sorry. I did not I'm doing well. Thank you. Yeah Well, we're we're thankful to be here together tonight

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I appreciate all my brothers and like I said tonight We're gonna talk about the Rapture and I want to preface this because we had a conversation

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When I brought up this topic and I generated the questions There was some concern

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Amongst some of the guys in our group and it was a good concern Because we we strive to seek true biblical unity

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I think there are some folks and hopefully the laborers the truth and love network the guys in the network

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We can begin to maybe produce some videos on True biblical unity, but I think there may be some misconceptions on what what unity may look like But we want to strive for that and so we and we want to be respectful and we want to speak truth

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We want to speak truth and love and show grace. So we want to have the proper balance in that conversation

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But when it comes to the conversation of the Rapture There are there's some of us who do not believe in a a secret free tribulation

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Rapture There are different takes on the Rapture But we do not want to come across for those of us who do not believe in a free trib

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Secret Rapture from a dispensationalist point of view. We don't do we do not want to come across as Disrespectful to those who are maybe dispensational theologians who hold to a

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Pre -trib Rapture, we want to be respectful to you guys. There are many great theologians even in our day who hold to that view so we appreciate all their work and In their ministry and what the

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Lord is doing through them so we want to just have a conversation on the

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Rapture tonight and See where that leads us. I'll go ahead and and start with the first question

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This is these questions as I told the guys are they

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Read as if they are coming more from the dispensational secret pre -trib

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Rapture view asking a partial preterist to maybe defend their position so and I think that's good because The the dispensational pre -trib

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Rapture view is probably the the most popular and has been for a good while now

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But but the first question that I want to tackle is and in first Thessalonians 4 16 and 17

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Which is probably the most popular passage for the Rapture describes believers who are being called up on the

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Greek word there's our Pazzo to meet the Lord in the air How do you interpret this passage if it's not a

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Rapture event Or if it is not the pre -tribulation

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Rapture maybe you could just Explain how you interpret first Thessalonians chapter 4.

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Yeah, I'm gonna go first. Sure Okay So I think we have to clarify that Technically We all agree that there is a

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Rapture but or at least I think we all agree that there is a Rapture but not in the way that most

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Christians would say the Rapture is Going to take place right like most people because like you were saying dispensationalism is the predominant view

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Would say that When we talked about a Rapture what's going to happen?

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Is that Jesus is gonna come down and rapture the church take them up to heaven and Basically just rescue them out of here, right because the tribulation is coming.

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It's gonna be seven years of tribulation. Everything's gonna go Terribly the earth for the next seven years.

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And so Jesus is just saying hey, let me get my people out of here before this begins If We were just talking about being caught up in the air,

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I Think everybody agrees on that Rapture, right if you just say well Those who believe in Christ will be caught in the air

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But the reason why he's gonna be caught up in the air or we are going to be caught up in the air From our perspective.

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I think everybody's perspective here as far as I can tell and you know We were missing one or two at least more laborers to kind of give us a little bit of pushback

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I think but most of us here not all of us here would say well Yes, because at the second coming of Christ, we will be caught up Up into the air to meet our coming

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King as a as a triumphant King coming to make all things new and What's not gonna happen is we're not going to then go up to heaven with him

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So does that kind of help set up the the conversation Rob Absolutely, and Troy I know you come from you've changed from where you started

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And I think you're currently are you Amil or I am your Amil and then

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Mario? I'm not I'm not sure. We have not haven't had the time to have the conversation about your eschatology.

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It's not I I'm a post millennial Okay, all right, but maybe maybe it is helpful to at the start clarify

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What setting at all? makes a pre -tribunation tribunational rapture

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What what is the reason why people Take it that way. You want to maybe talk about that a little absolutely go right ahead.

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Sure because because when we talk about Hermeneutics and how this particular passage you quoted is to be understood

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There is a set of beliefs Which are used to execute this passage by the people who have a dispensational understanding of a rapture in the sense that People are taken away from the earth and the earth keeps spinning and things on earth keep keep happening because if we talk about the rapture and the differences between the view we are presenting here and the well

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The popular view is that you have a rapture in which clothes are falling down people are

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Wondering where all the raptured Christians went and the history of the earth is

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In my understanding if that is correct continuing for another seven years So that is the view which we are talking about, right?

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so that there is this disappearing of Christians the world is still spinning and We would oppose that and say that the rapture is an event that Happens at the last coming of Christ in the sense that the church is taken up in the air to meet him there to be kind of a greeting committee, which that Greek word also indicates like chain pointed out and That the history of the world is done at the moment of the rapture

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Because Christ has come to make his last but major judgment

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So, why do people take passages of Scripture like the one you named or like first Corinthians 15 as a disappearing of Christians before the world history ends, maybe we could put it that way and Basically the reason for that why anyone in church history started to interpret it that way which is a quite new understanding is because of Dispensationalism the only reason why

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Christians felt the urge to understand it that way is Because God needs to make way for his plan a to return which is of course

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The Israel according to the flesh So this big framework this big idea that God has his plan a

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Israel but they reject Christ So he goes to plan B and gets the church and since the church

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Project is done. He raptures the church and gets back to plan a that is basically the whole

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Framework in which people started to understand these passages as a

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Secret rapture before the coming of Christ So maybe that is helpful to understand the bigger picture of why people felt the urge to interpret passages

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Such as first Corinthians 15 or the one in Thessalonians in the way they do

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So if we want to understand scripture, of course, we need to interpret passages

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Which talk about one of the same subject together, right? because Scripture gives us much light and sometimes

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Bits of light are found in different places And if they are talking about the same topic because they were all given by one

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God We can take them together and get a bigger picture and I think that is what needs to be done in order to understand

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What the rapture even is? Absolutely, yeah, and also by the way

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One of the most hilarious jokes I have ever heard of was done on the topic of the rapture because John MacArthur once told that he was in Bible school and There were students which were afraid of the rapture that it would happen and they would be missed and then they would be left on Earth so they got themselves some trumpets and some big old

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Metal plates and they shook it like thunder and blew the trumpet and laid a cloth on there on their tables

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So all the younglings thought that their rapture happened and I found it really hilarious that someone would put off such a hilarious prank

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Is that on video? Yeah, no, no, but John MacArthur told the story from his seminary days

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Yeah Seminary days

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Yes, I thought you were saying that it happened at his seminary. No, no, no when he was still at seminary when he

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Well, they didn't have video back then Yeah They even have they even have cars.

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I Think so John MacArthur has been a blessing for a long time He is one of the theologians that would hold to dispensational pre -tribulation rapture

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But is so good. Actually our church uses Uses his guidebooks for Sunday school and just just good stuff

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There is that a you know, occasional, you know, like oh he went full dispensational with that. That is interesting, but Good man, good man

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You hit it right on the head brother Mario with you know, you have to understand the hermeneutics of how someone gets to To these types of beliefs, right?

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and so whenever we talk about eschatology in any form or fashion whether you're Postmill or all mill or pre mill or dispensationalist any of these things what we are essentially doing is drawing a a timeline of redemption of redemptive history and We are charting verses on that to certain time points regardless of how we do it.

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We had personal conversation When was it is this past week on?

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on our personal messenger and it was about Where do we put Isaiah 2 on the timeline of redemptive history?

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And so you're gonna have disagreements and this is one of the things where where they put this on the timeline is before a before the book of Revelation really kicks off right right about Revelation 6 and then they would see all of these things in Revelation happening and then the the final coming and the reason why they would see it that way is really due to We're in first Thessalonians 4 16 through something

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But in first Thessalonians 5 10, right? So the same context and it says

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God has not appointed us to the wrath to come and so they read all the all the scary things that happen in Revelation and I think you're getting ready to jump on to this question.

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Oh get What earthly reason would there be for the true church to go through a seven -year tribulationary period okay, so the the way that we would read a tribulation period would not see it as a

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Most of us would not see it as a seven year period but yet Revelation would be teaching recapitulation and So you're seeing the judgment and Christ's return, right?

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You see the Christ returns in chapter 6 chapter 13 Don't quote me on those specifically.

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I didn't really make an outline for that But yet this is the reason that they would see this and so as We read and compare these with other very didactic clear text

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Think mainly just what comes to my head is first Corinthians 15 and I'll read it here

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First Corinthians 15 verses 23 It says but every man in his own order

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Christ the first fruit Afterwards, they are they that are Christ at his coming

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Then comes the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom of God to God even the

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Father when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power and so just as We come to the scriptures answering

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Andy here Reading that I would put first Thessalonians for that coming of Christ and our gathering with him to the clouds with first Corinthians 15 or it says

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Christ comes and then they that are Christ the gathering of his saints to him

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Then comes the end when he delivers the kingdom to God so we would go Straight into the consummation of all things right?

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We would go to what you would call the great white throne judgment This is also consistent with John right when

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Jesus says That he will raise his own up on the last day so When we went to and when we want to talk about rapture

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That really is the questions which need to be tackled does

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God have a plan a Church and a plan B Church Plan a church being

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Israel and plan B Church being the church do these different groups exist because if If it doesn't if that is not the way in which

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God intends to save in this two different kinds of ways There is no reason whatsoever to believe in the rapture in a dispensational sense

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That Christians will disappear before the world history ends So I think that is that is where where the rubber meets the road where things need to be discussed because if God Intended to let

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Christ be neglected by the physical Israel and therefore gather his spirit his his true

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Israel out of Jews and Gentiles to himself and If God has not the plan to Well rapture the church and go back to Judaism and save people there by building up a third temple all the reasons to understand passages to be a pre -tribunation

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Tribulational rapture. I sorry still clock in the morning. I can't say that word Pre -trib,

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I just say trip pre -trib rapture Is is Obsolete there's no more reason to view it that way.

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Would you agree? that this is the only reason why people started to interpret this passage as The church being taken away from the earth before world history ends

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Mm -hmm. Yep. Yeah Yeah, if you see Israel and the church as two separate entities

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Then then yes, you have to come up with a system to protect that Interpretation of Scripture and I believe that is

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If if that was true, I would interpret the passages which are interpreted as a preacher sure like that as well

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But if if this presupposition is false every reason to interpret it that way is false also right, right and And I would say the consistent look at the

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New Testament is telling us Look back at Abraham and and those who are in Christ who who believe in Christ They're children of Abraham.

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There's there's one faith and one baptism There's one way to heaven and that's through the Messiah whether faith looking forward or faith looking back into Christ When we're all one in him past present and future and I think that's that's a

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Good take on that and and I do want to reiterate for those who didn't hear at the beginning Who are now with us now that that we do respect our?

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pastors and theologians who are dispensational pre -trib rapture believers

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And and even in our group we come from different eschatological backgrounds So we are just here speaking in and we can only speak for those of us who are here live

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We can only speak for our Interpretation of Scripture and we don't speak for every person in the truth love network.

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I will make that clear as well It's only oh no What do we have here?

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Look at that he was game to do two of them at at the same time tonight, too. Absolutely.

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Have you had your ice cream yet? Yes, I just finished it a few minutes ago. There was a slight panic

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I thought I was out. I've not had ice cream in three nights April and I had a discussion.

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She told me there was more buried in the freezer. And once again, my wife was right

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April come through like always a good wife Well, let's take he he's being so kind to ask us questions let's tackle his next question

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What are we going to do with Daniel 9 24 through 27 and this 70 yes.

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Mm -hmm the 70 weeks of Daniel So with three question marks, so that is a really important question, yes

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So if you do Daniel 70 weeks And they're they're they're weeks of years.

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These are seven year weeks And so you do the math that works out to 490 years and so at the end of Daniel 9 what you do have is a is a cease of the

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Old Testament The the Old Testament sacrificial system where he puts an end to sin

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He puts an end to sin and it's from the decree Up to it's from the decree of Cyrus up to well, when was our sin ended 490 years

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We're gonna land at Jesus we're gonna land at the who put an end to the the sin

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Who made that that atonement is Christ? And so we would see

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Daniel or at least I would I can only speak for myself I would see Daniel 70th week ending at Jesus Christ And your second question about Revelation 20 verses 1 through 10 the section on the

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Millennium. We would see that for The Millennial Kingdom that's going on on today in a verse that comes to my mind right off the rip

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Right because we're talking about the cast the binding off of Satan Until he returns for for his for his season that he has and so I would quote

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John 12 31 as Jesus is in the is He's predicting his death walking with the

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Apostles and he says now is the judgment of this world Now shall the prince of this world be cast out

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You know, we know that that the the prince of this world was was the the devil right and Jesus crushed him

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At the cross making an atonement for sin conquering over death in the grave and That that all is ultimately fulfilled in what

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Christ accomplished not in Going back to reinstate

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Animal sacrifices or or anything like that? We would see all of that fulfilled in the life ministry and work of Jesus Christ Does anyone else have anything else to add to that that's good man

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I think Hebrews makes that abundantly clear that there is no more animal sacrifices to come

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I do think that we are in the Kingdom right now in the the thousand years that Revelation speaks of Luke 17 2021 says being asked by the

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Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come He answered them the kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed

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Nor will they say look here it is or there for behold the kingdom of God is in the midst of you

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And so I would say and I think everybody here would say that we are currently in the kingdom

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Jesus has inaugurated his kingdom and his kingdom is growing right because as we preach the gospel

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As we bring more people into the church We see Christ growing his kingdom now we might have some differences on how you know, the the finer details of The implications of all that but I think all of us here would would agree with what the scripture says there that the kingdom of God came with Christ and I just want to say one thing.

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I agree with Andy. There is no such thing as replacement theology I think that there is adoption theology.

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Some people might call it fulfillment theology. I think I would call it adoption theology Because we have been adopted into the family of God and those who truly love

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God who have trusted in Christ are The family of God and so yeah, you're absolutely correct

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Andy. There is no such thing as replacement theology So hopefully that addressed everything

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I Wish I could get my mouse to work correctly tonight. It's one of the nights up.

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I even changed the batteries So I Would start at his first question for me personally

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And I'll try to touch on some things that maybe yes from a different perspective so I can

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I can speak for when I was growing up and I don't know that I really believed or Bought it hook line and sinker, but I the only thing that I was taught

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So therefore the only thing that I knew was the I didn't even know what it was called Dispensational theology that featured rapture, but you know, that's what

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I grew up believing because that's the only thing that I was taught But when I began to say it for myself one of the things that is taught is

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Just what is asked in this question? Why would a the true church go through a seven -year tribulation?

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So that's what I was taught. There's gonna be a seven -year tribulation. So when I begin to study things for myself

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And then going to the next question what happens in Daniel chapter 9 You see that there's not a seven -year tribulation.

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There's a three and a half year tribulation So I'm asking myself while I was taught that there's a seven -year tribulation

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But scripture saying there's a three and a half year tribulation So if what I'm being taught this system that I'm being taught is not teaching me accurately from scripture.

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I As opposed to what this system is telling me And so when you look at Daniel chapter 9 like the guys have already talked about You don't see a gap in the text

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The gap has been inserted because of the system there has to be a gap there so that it fits and protects the system and then as Troy was talking about he was talking about the the one who

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Made an end to sin and the one who made it into sin as Daniel talks about is the one who made the covenant

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It's it's not the Antichrist or the devil the one who made the covenant was Christ and he put an end to sin

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At the the three and a half years So we don't see a gap and if you don't put a gap in there and you follow the timeline just like Troy Mentioned and you you count up the years

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You take scripture literally according to the text according to the literature You come up to the time of Christ and then you have the three years three and a half years then you have is the feeding of sin making covenant and That's how you know,

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I read scripture put it together and then That's exactly we we go from there and look at what

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John tells us in Revelation Which is the only place that speaks of a millennial? Millennial Kingdom, but you know

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Jesus is sitting on the throne of authority He's sitting on that that throne of David which represents the the throne of authority

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He's sitting there now Scripture tells us that he he ascended and is sitting on on the throne

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Where he reigns as king of kings and Lord of Lords and it says his kingdom shall have no end so he he has taken his seat as king and his kingdom will have no end and I would totally agree with The guys here.

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We don't believe in a replacement theology that As I stated before We're all

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Abraham's children There's only been you know one faith

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And he has inserted another question and one of you other guys can in fact not really a question

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It's more like a yelling at us at this point. Oh No, the 69th week was

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Jesus death on the cross the 70th week is yet to come We are now in the church age that will end in the preacher rapture

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Daniel to contradicts that because Daniel is seeing the same thing over and over again and That is it is important to understand

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Daniel that Daniel is basically seeing one of the same thing over and over again in more detail so Daniel 2 says that in the days of these

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Kings the God of heaven will bring the kingdom of heaven to earth and Daniel basically in Daniel chapter 2 is giving these outlooks of the four empires to come one is

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Babylon There is another one to come in which we read off in the scriptures When the

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Persians take over then the Greeks come and they take this world

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Power over and then the the Romans come and in the days of these

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Kings the fourth kingdom God will institute the kingdom of heaven on earth and that is where the scope goes away from the earth

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Because then Daniel 7 13 talks about Where the

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Son of Man is coming on the clouds and being made by the Ancient of Days King over everything

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And there is a theme in Daniel Concerning kingship.

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It's very interesting. If you if you read Daniel chapter 4 nebuchadnezzar when he realizes

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What kind of King Yahweh is? So if you want to pause and go to to Daniel 4 and read this section that is vitally important to understand this kind of kingdom is

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Yahweh's kingdom a supreme kingdom over everything he's ruler over all and He is giving that kingdom in Daniel 7 to the

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Son of Man. And so in in multiple sections of Scripture Christ claims that he has fulfilled that that Happened that this kingdom has been given to him

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For example Matthew 26 when he is talking to the

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Jewish elites he says You will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven sitting to the to the right hand of power, right?

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so he is claiming to have fulfilled Daniel 7 13 and Psalm 110 1 which basically is talking about the same thing and Also Matthew 28 all the power in heaven and on earth has been given to me

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So he has taken this kind of throne from Daniel 13 so you can't isolate

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Daniel chapter 9 and to make a Crack where there is no crack

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It is meant to be understood in the context of the whole book the one the same vision is seen over and over again and Daniel makes clear the days of these kings of the fourth

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Empire Christ would come and would set up his kingdom and that of course is

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After Babylonians Persians Greeks the Romans and then days of this

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Roman Empire Christ had set up his kingdom So there is consistency in the New Testament about this this topic as well and That is basically flowing natural from this topic of scripture

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I would say I'm I'm so glad that you pointed those things out because it is it's terribly important that we hear what the text actually says

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I'm sorry also I would give Andy the advice to go and get Doug Wilson's commentary on the revelation or anyone else because I was around when a man comes around it is an excellent resource and What what

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I have to admit sometimes when people like Andy would ask me particular questions, for example

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Okay, when did this or that exactly happen? Like when when when did the the?

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King of the Romans do miracles and deceive people and I have to honestly say

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I don't know but overall the framework in which the book of Revelation is to be is meant to be understood is

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Quite clear, even though I cannot execute every single detail

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Because people who lived through that Destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70 they might have known but some things are just lost in history

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But the overall framework is very clear in which the book of Revelation is to be understood

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That it is to be understood as something where Christ is reigning and making his first move as a ruler to destroy what he has said that he would destroy namely

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Apostate Judaism and all its structures Sorry, go ahead.

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I didn't mean to interrupt you No I was just gonna say I appreciate you saying what you said because the hearing what

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Scripture says is so important when it says in the days of these Kings So you have to remember that it says in these

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Kings and then when you come to Matthew when Jesus is telling them You will see me coming and then he said in Matthew 24

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When you see these things It's so important to hear the text and what it said Yeah to follow the theme through scriptures because there are some themes which are meant to be taken up by the reader

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You just can't You can't like like Jeff Durbin once say you can't come into Star Wars the last five minutes and interpret everything

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From the last five minutes you witnessed you need to watch the whole thing in order to understand the last five minutes

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Yeah, it's the same thing with the scriptures Another good book would be the triumph of the

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Lamb. It's a commentary on Revelation Dennis Johnson Very good book

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Helpful on that So guys

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I came in super late I was watching it. I was gonna try to just go to sleep

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I was watching you all listening you all so tell me what I'm what I'm missing here.

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And how can I can contribute Rob? Well, you can jump on this next one We're trying to be respectful to brother

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Andy and and address his questions from our perspective. Like I mentioned we were respectful and Really love our dispensational brothers and theologians and pastors.

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We appreciate them We can't and not everyone in our network Believes exactly the same on eschatology

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So we're just kind of giving things from from our perspective for the best of our ability

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And we want to be respectful to him who's taking the time to ask these questions This was his next one first three and a half years.

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We'll see seven year see the seven -year treat Trading trading by the end of Christ.

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He will break it at midpoint So, how would you respond to that? Hey before before Claude, I'm sorry

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Claude, can I just say one one quick thing? I'll get to one couple of ones before him.

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No, you're you're you're gonna answer this that that Rob is asking But I just want to say one quick thing so Andy I Said earlier.

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Well, he's more like yelling at us, right? Cuz he's put out all the the exclamation marks and so he clarified he's like, no,

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I'm not yelling at you I've been a pastor and teacher for 50 years and eschatology has been my priority

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So I've enjoyed this and I I respect that passion. So I apologize if I misunderstood what you were doing with the multiple exclamation marks, but I appreciate you listening in and I Definitely under I brother even if we disagree.

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I I trust me. I've got into those conversations. I appreciate the the past I have been there.

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So then apologies on the misunderstanding so anyway Claude Over to you.

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All right, so On that question there. I thought that was quite the question that Mario had just answered and I was looking up.

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Have y 'all already answered all the ones all the way up. I Know you were talking about replacement theology.

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But what about what is your what is your Explanation on Revelations 20.

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Did any one of y 'all get that one? I think I think Troy Okay, yeah,

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I went to 12 John 1231, okay If I jump it because I see another comment and they're by someone named

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Lonnie Smith He's basically answering that quite that last question of Andy's Yes, but from a different perspective

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Lonnie if I'm not mistaken, I think that you would be coming from a mid tribulation rapture theory, right?

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That may be what I'm reading there as far as coming to tribulation and and then

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I'll I'll throw it to you pastor Claude, but It's common that we read in Scripture that you know,

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Jesus promised us that we're gonna have tribulation in this world. I think of John 1633

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Says these things have I spoken unto you that in me you may have peace in the world.

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You shall have tribulation But be of good cheer I have overcome the world And so really we're gonna go through tribulation in this life

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That may not be there's going to be times of persecution Paul was ultimately martyred

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All the disciples aside apart from the Apostle John martyred for the faith

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Stephen martyred for the faith and there has been bloodshed all throughout history.

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We will have tribulation in this world The world hates us because it first hated

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Christ. That's not nice language We will have tribulation as far as God pouring out his wrath that is really where the conversation comes is when does

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God pour out his wrath on the world and Where are the Christians during this time?

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God does not pour out his wrath With us it first Corinthians 15 tells us he brings us up and then then comes the end

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Christ takes care of it all at the second coming So really not a reason to to divide divide it up there and then

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I jumped in in front of you pastor Paul I'm just happy to be here with you all

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So but but To that question and again, I know you said

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Troy you went in you went in through Revelation 20, right? Okay.

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Well, let's let you expound. Well The reason that I'm the reason I'm wanting to go to that just to answer this question alone, right because we see all the these things talking about We have the seven -year the the

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Antichrist mentioned we have the The midpoint or the three and a half year mentioned in the question.

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We have the last three and a half year will be The last three and a half years will be at the great tribulation

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I think that in just looking at Revelation 20 we We see a chronology a clear one by one by one by one chronology

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Right in particularly worse and we are the topic is still talk.

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Let's talk rapture, right? So we're talking about when we when we say the rapture have you all already mentioned and talked about this the

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Importance of this come in this conversation for us to understand what we mean by rapture

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Have you all talked about that? Okay Okay, so basically meaning that when we talk about the rapture as Christians we're talking about being caught up together with the

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Lord Yeah, right. Yeah, but here in Revelation 20 He said

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I saw an angel coming down from heaven holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain

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He sees the dragon that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan and bound him for a thousand years.

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So here we see The binding right for this thousand years, I think it's

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Truly understood Within the context itself that this thousand years is not a literal 1 ,000 year period of time

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But this is an indefinite period of time And it goes on and says he threw him into the pit and he shut it and he sealed it over him

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By the way, who is the he that's doing all this? The Lord, that's right, right

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He shut and he shut it up and he sealed it over him so that he might not deceive the nation's any longer

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Until the thousand years were ended after that. He must be released for a little while Simply a simple exegesis on that verse basically says this there's there was a time in When that when was that time?

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That Christ came For it was at the time that Christ came that Christ lived that Christ died that Christ rose and that Christ ascended according to the book of Colossians that he made an open show of Evil the principalities and the powers of darkness, right?

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They were bound up at that time Not that they don't have any influence, but they do not have

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Full run and full reign of things right and this means that the gospel is not going to be hindered that the gospel

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Like you could see in Daniel, right? Where there is an angelic force? over Persia an evil angelic force if a demon

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Like the like like the angel who said Daniel I'd like to have be have been here sooner But I couldn't because I had to fight the the angel which is over Persia the demon which is over Persia Like this is a done deal

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This will not happen any longer that the devil is able to deceive a whole nation like he did them, right?

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That's what you're referring to and even when even when the devil is loose like it says there in verse 3

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He must be released for a little while That is simply if we're looking at a chart, and I know everybody loves charts, but just a straight line chart

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Right, you've got you've got Christ Incarnation there's a little line.

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You've got Christ's life perfectly fulfilling the law of God You've got Christ's death

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Christ's resurrection you've got Christ's ascension, right? We've got all of these things these marks and they're all progressively

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Working their way to the final To speak in wrestling language where we get to the final boss

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Or the final deal or the final thing however, you can understand it right but the point is

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That releasing of the devil is and Will be like it says a short period of time

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Because what happens as We read through the remainder of that those verses that it says this

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Then I saw thrones and judges seated on them who were who were those to whom the authority of the judge was committed and I also saw the souls of them who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the

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Word of God and Those for who had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received its mark on their

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Foreheads or on their hands they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years there

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We see another that not that term again terminology again The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended

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This is the first resurrection So this indefinite period of time no matter how much you know folks want to go back to all these

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Old Testament passages and try to do do gymnastics and flips trying to figure out how these individual years and periods go by It's simplified in the text in verse 25

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The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection so the first resurrection in Biblically as it's referenced is a resurrection to life

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For the redeemed right then verse 26 verse 26

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Says our chapter 20 verse 6 is blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection

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They're called blessed. So we know that's the redeemed and over such the second death

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Oh, the second death is far worse than I think we or many folks want to talk about But he said over such the second death has no power

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But they will be priests of God and of Christ and they will reign with him for a thousand years

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Here again, we see this terminology right this thousand years and here we see them reigning with him for a thousand years again

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It's either going to be literal one thousand years or in the context of the writing itself

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It's going to be an indefinite period of time Lastly when the thousand years are ended, okay

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Keeping in mind This thousand when this thousand years are ended

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Satan will be released from his prison Now here's something for us to consider if after this a

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Thousand year time on earth where the dead are raised, right?

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We have it there in the text at that first resurrection if and during that time

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Before and concerning the first resurrection if at the end of that literal resurrection time and the devil is

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Loosed again for just a little while. We don't know how long that is, right? We don't know my hangman

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We don't know how many ticks on the clock it'll be but it says he'll come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth

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Gog and Magog and to gather them for battle for their numbers like the sand of the sea and they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and they surrounded the camp of the

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Saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed him and The devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were and they will be tormented day and night forever.

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Ah But then I saw a great white throne and him who is seated on it from his presence

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The earth and sky fled away and no place was found for him And I saw the dead small and great

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Standing before the throne And the books were opened then another book was opened which is the book of life and the dead were judged by what was written in the books according to what they had done and The sea gave up the dead who were in it death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them and they were judged

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Each one of them according to what they had done Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.

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This is the second death Right, and if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into that lake of fire so In reading it and you know, and I know

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I've just kind of jumped in and claimed a question on that thank you all for your kindness to me to let me do that, but concerning that Revelation 10 and then he's considering Andy Royals His last question if the millennial

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Thousand -year reign of Christ is not literal. He said I believe it is. Why is it mentioned so many?

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Why is it mentioned so many times? Or did you have that up there Rob I'll put it up.

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Yeah. Okay Why is it mentioned so many times in the fourth verses? well again the point

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Contextually when we are reading and interpreting the Bible we have to there's a number of things basic things number one we look at what the text is saying plain without interjecting our thoughts or our ideas or our

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Preconceived notions into whatever it is. We're reading. So just a simple reading of the text.

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What do we do next next? We have to understand the grammatical

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Context grammatical context teaches us and the grammatical context tells us that if phrases and words are used

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That seem to be out of the ordinary Right because all throughout the scriptures

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God uses and it's a morphic language. In other words language Spoken in human terms to relate to human things the strong arm of the

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Lord say right the Lord's ear It's not so heavy that he cannot hear. All right, nor is his arm so short that he cannot reach

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This is this is an example of grammatical context So as we come into this and and and to Andy's question, you know

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It's mentioned so many times the the key to solving and opening the door of understanding to this particular question concerning this is not

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It's important. It's important Andy that we ask correct questions so It's maybe a better question instead of why is it mentioned so many times in four verses if it's not literal is

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Why? Is it couched? within the text as it's couched within the text between the verses before and the

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Verses after because all of these verses before and all of these verses after They're all pointing to something that we

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Truly and I'm gonna pull this card. They're all pointing to something that our mind cannot fathom

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They're pointing to something that happens as quick as salvation happens like that We can't we can't we can't grasp it

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I mean we might be able to look at it but we're not we're not going to be able to grasp it because all of this that's being spoken of taking place in the thousand -year reign is

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Going to be I mean to to the folks that are a part of this

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It's gonna be like that. And then what happens at the end of the thousand years the devil's let loosed, right?

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all hell breaks loose on earth and so I'm going to another issue concerning that this question would be this if there is if Christ is ruling on the earth for a thousand years with his people and during this thousand years

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Would you all say there's going to be problems come up? Or not

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Are you asking us us? Yes. What would you all think?

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Well, no, there shouldn't be any problems with Christ's reigning, right? Uh -huh. Uh -huh

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It says that there's going to be death Still not not what that's the kid.

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That's what I'm getting at. Right, right It's confusing these these things that we see in the text, right?

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It's the consummation We cannot We we cannot theologically and doctorate doctrinally

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Bring those two together right because if Christ comes

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It I keep trying to keep I keep thinking I've got a touch screen I reach it

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So again, if we if we see these things, you know, like that what's talking about the first resurrection

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So we're gonna have a whole lot of people resurrected, right? And then it says that there's gonna be a whole lot of people resurrected that are lost to put it in simple terms

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Right, they're gonna stand before the great white throne. The books are going to be open.

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That's the books of their works and Then there's going to be another book opened which is the book of life

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Right, they'll be judged the lost will be judged for their

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For their works for their denial of Christ ultimately for their rejection of Christ So basically it's consistent with with what

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Jesus said the dead will be raised on the last day So the the first resurrection is this the resurrection to new life?

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conversion Thousand years The number thousand is like every other number in the book of Revelation like every single other number in the book of Revelation is meant to be

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Some symbolic you're correct Why why if every other number is a symbolic number?

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Why is that one not a symbolic number, right? since since also the theme of Revelation so consistently fits with clear teaching from the

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New Testament that Christ binds John chapter 12 The devil on the cross that happens here

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There needs a bell needs to ring when you read that text Well, and then also it is consistent with with the dead being raised on the last day, which you also read up this chapter so clearly there is a resurrection of people for a new life and they

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Live on the earth reign with Christ and that's what we as preachers basically do Every Sunday when we say

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Christ is Lord. That is his word. That's what you need to do. That is a form of reigning

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And maybe people people don't view it as that because it is not so shiny as we expect it to be but we still

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Reigning on earth when we proclaim what the king has said and calling on people to obey that so we take

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John very literal when he says that he will raise his own up on the last day that he really will be the last day

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And not the last day before a thousand years Yeah, so So, what do you what do you like to to maybe go to a very clear text once again to first Corinthians 15?

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because I think this text is meant to Talk about the order in which the resurrection also the so -called rapture will happen

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So we go to clear text, right? and we interpret the more obscure text in light of the clear text and we have a very clear text in first Corinthians Corinthians 15 and If you would allow me

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I'd like to read a few a portion of you I have actually Taken at hand the only imprint

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English Bible I own and it's a good old King James Bible Because I'm King James only or something but because it's the only one

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I could find So, so I I really enjoy that chapter because Paul is being

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Paul here he is like this intellectual giant making an argument

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Consistent with self and consistent with anything else I really like that aspect of Paul that he is straightforward clear and and and Logically sound argument in for his case

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And so not to read the whole chapter Background is that someone in the

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Corinthian Church? Taught the error that the resurrection had already happened.

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So that is the background that is what you need to understand to understand chapter 15 and so also this this bone shaking

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Conclusion of him that if Christ is Only for this life verse 19

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We are the most miserable of all men. Hey, man So if there is no resurrection and Christ only benefits you for that life, well, it's pretty poor gospel you have there

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Man so so he is starting out here at verse 20 But now is

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Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruit of them that slept

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For since by man came death by man came also the resurrection of the dead

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For as an Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive

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But every man in his own order Christ the first fruit. So what is the first fruit?

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if a farmer has his first fruit it shows that his Farming was effective and that he could expect more fruit to come because the first fruits are here

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It means the soil was good and everything went well. So that means other fruits are to be expected as well so Christ is this first fruit and Here in chapter 23

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But every man in his order Christ the first fruit afterward day that our Christ's at his coming

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So that is very important. When will they rise from the grave? When will be they be resurrected when he is coming back and when will that be?

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verse 24 Then cometh the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom of God even the father even to the father

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When he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power For he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet

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So there is a reigning which Christ does and when he is done reigning the resurrection of the dead will happen

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For he must reign until he hath put all enemies under his feet. Psalm 110 verse 1 is that applied to Christ?

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The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death For he hath put all things under his feet

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But when he said all things are put under his feet Under him it is manifest that he is accepted which he did put all thing under him and When all things shall be subdued unto him

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Then shall the Sun also manifest be subject unto him that put all things under him

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That God may be all in all. Sorry. I think I slaughtered the verses here. So but still

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Christ is reigning until he's done reigning then the resurrection of the dead happens Then death will be defeated when death is defeated as last enemy.

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He will deliver the kingdom to God to the father so that God may be all in all the idea is here that the triune

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God is Is is showing himself in redemption and when that goal is done

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He's he's unified again, not that not that God is ununified in redemption, but he's he's

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Made made visible for his people. He is revealed and as such this

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This plan of self -revelation in redemption is done and Crisis is with the

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Father and the Spirit with his people. That is the idea and then he explains that Like a seed which is put into the ground our bodies will be like seeds

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Which is basically something which many Christians contradict when they say well, this body is just an empty shell.

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Well, no, it's not God gave you spirit and body and the body is to be treated with respect because it is something that will be resurrected and I think that is something which could be applied from this text and Then in the end of this chapter after explaining how the resurrection will be done

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That we have resurrection bodies just as Christ he says

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Let me see where I shall read from. Let's start as verse 45 and So it is written.

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The first man Adam was made a living soul The last Adam was made a quickening spirit

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How how beat I have never heard that word before how beat that was not first which is spiritual

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But that which is natural and afterwards that was which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth the second man is the

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Lord from heaven as it is earthly such our day that are earthly and As it is the heavenly such our day that are heavenly and As we have have borne the image of the earthly We shall also bear the image of the heavenly is talking about the resurrection body, which will come forth from the grave

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Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God neither doth corrupt inherit incorruption

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Behold, I show you a mystery We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed and here is a verse which is understood to be the rapture and it

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Is in a biblical sense We shall all be changed in a moment in twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet

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For the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed for this corruptible must put on Incorruption and this immortal must put on immortality

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So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption and this mortal shall have put on immoral

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Immortality then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written death is swallowed up in victory

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Oh death where is thy sting or grave for a style victory? The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law so and The last verse last few verses, but thanks be to God which giveth us the victory through the

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Lord Jesus Christ Therefore my beloved Brethren be steadfast unmovable always abounding in the work of the

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Lord for as much as you know That your labor is not in vain in the Lord so He first gave the chronology at the beginning of the chapter in which the resurrection will happen

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Christ then he will rule and when he is done ruling the dead will rise and The the death will be defeated as the last enemy and now here it is expounded what that means

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It means that also the rapture would happen in that exact moment

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When death is defeated Read it again for yourselves at home.

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You will see that there is an identification of these two events for the same hour

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The death that the dead will rise and the the living Will be caught up and be changed with the resurrection bodies and that happens when?

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When Christ is done reigning when he is finished reigning when his when his reign is

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Consummated and when he is done and death is defeated So this passage is the nail into the coffin of dispensationalism

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Cannot consistently read 1st Corinthians 15 and it's clear meant to be understood way and still have a pre -tribunational or pre

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Earth history is not done yet rapture, right? You know what you what you said there

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Mario to on Particularly from Corinthians, but it'll tie right back to Revelation 20

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So it says this he must reign till he has put all enemies under his feet the last enemy that shall be destroyed his death

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And it says for God has put all things in subjection under his feet But when it says things are put us in subjection, it's understood

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It's plain that he is accepted from whom put all things under subjection to him But again back to primarily

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Verse 15 26 the last enemy to be destroyed is death, right?

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True that is destroyed. Yes Right. So you're in Corinthians.

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That's what we see However just for a little bit more on that think about think about the fact that If we take

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God's Word at face value the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death and we read over in Revelation that At the at the end

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I saw a great white throne right and the sea gave up the dead who were in it Death and Hades gave death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them and what they weighed

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And they were judged each of one of them according to what they had done and then then at that moment death itself and Hades Will be destroyed right death death

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Does not leave This planet until the Lord comes and the

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Lord makes all things new Mm -hmm. That's that is straight up and there is no secret coming of the

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Lord. It will be a straightforward Correct. No secret coming. It's going to be direct

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It's going to be clear in the scriptures even give us that and for me on this particular conversation in this

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Revelation chapter 20 it really pressed me some time ago because I'm not an intelligent man

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I'm not good with words I'm not good with you know,

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I can barely draw a stick man, but but To consider and to just force yourself to fathom this

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That when the Lord does come Instantaneously We always think of things linear in chronologic

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It's much better to think about this as chronologically because we have the chronology, but we don't have

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The linear look at this on the day Christ returns One thing's gonna happen

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The dead Saints will rise first and then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the air

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Right. Amen, right then for indefinite period of time

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Right, there's going to be there's gonna be men women boys and girls that die lost Martyred even go home to be with the

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Lord to be absent from the body is present with the Lord And what are they doing according to the book of the

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Revelation? They are crying out from under the altar of God and they're saying how long a

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Lord how long? until you Will avenge our blood

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Okay, so we're still We're still in a very real sense in in in the flow of the story in Revelation We're in a process of time so when

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Christ comes back the dead are raised first the dead in Christ raised first those who are alive remain and Then if you come over here, we find out in verse 20 what happens what not what happens later

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But here is the tricky part for me Because if every one of these things that happens is like this

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Like dominoes fallen, but they follow they fallen so fast. It's impossible to see them They all take in place at the same time the dead get raised

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Stand before God the judgment seat of Christ, right? We got to pull that in if we're going to talk about the great white throne that the the living the living dead if you would have it will stand before the judgment seat of Christ the unredeemed man women boys and girls are

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Already Already been in hell in a serious in a very serious

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Condition they've been there in hell all that time and what's got to be the most sucky thing in the world

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And Hades see me Well, yeah, I can we can have that conversation later.

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But just as far as this conversation, you know You're going by the reading of the King James, right?

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Hey, I know I I usually read a German Bible, okay.

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Got you, but so The dead come to stand before the throne of God Now it's one thing we've told read from onto this it's one thing to know that you got caught red -handed in sin and That you deserved every single minute that they had to spend

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In the wherever they were in hell, right and now

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Simultaneously every sinner gets called Just like in a courtroom

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Their name is called they stand before the throne The books are open and what's found written in those books they're going to be judged according to and Then the book of life is going to be open and when the book of life

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That's the roll call of the redeemed when that book of life gets open. Oh Right here on this great day

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This is what's called the great and terrible day of the Lord and it's on that day The lambs book of life gets open and the written and the names that are in that lambs book of life

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You don't have to tell those that's been raised one time That their names are in the book of life.

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They're there because their names were written in the lambs book of life And it is at that moment where the

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Lord does exactly to the T Every single thing that he promised he would do he

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He takes death and he takes Hades And I know it's country but like grabbing dogs by the scruff of the neck

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He takes death and he takes Hades and he throws them into the lake of fire which is the text says the lake of Death and if anyone's name was not found written in the book.

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He was thrown into the lake of fire as well so we see that Death Death it's good.

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It is impossible for death to be destroyed by any other way

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But we're by any other pattern then by what we read here in Revelation chapter 20

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Amen, you know, I think what you were trying to allude to before was that getting the consummation and the millennial mixed up where folks believe that Christ will reign a thousand years in them in the millennial and in that millennial period

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There will be no more tears. No more sorrow. No more pain, but that that's

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Mixing it up with great affirmation Correct when scripture tells us that in the millennium folks will live longer

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But there will still be dead Well, yeah, because because you're because we're not we're not draw we're not making that distinction between the eternal state in the intermediate state

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The intermediate state is between life and death for the same

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Getting getting home and then the eternal state takes place only when

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Christ comes and Just I just want to make one comment about about this observation

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Yes, we and we were trying to make that that point earlier that that we didn't say we didn't see that scripture was telling us

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That the millennial reign was literal And then somebody finally did say it's symbolic and and we believe that scripture is telling us that it's symbolic because Revelation Tells us it's symbolic.

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It tells us a symbolic book Mario was explained to us that the the numbers in Revelation are symbolic and the the number of times

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You know, sometimes you you had to be careful using that Hermeneutics saying well, it's used a bunch of times

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Well, it may have been used a bunch of times in a small place But the only time the millennial reign is mentioned in the entirety of scripture is just that that one chapter and hermeneutically if you if you try to understand a word in context another thing that you can do is is look at the other places in scripture when the millennial

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The word millennial or thousand is used and it's always used figuratively Mm -hmm

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That's right, so to be consistent with the context of the entirety of scripture, you know that's another reason all those reasons put together is is while we

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And and all the reasons that that called mentioned is the reasons why we take that figuratively, that's a

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Indefinite or undetermined amount of time that God sets for the millennial reign lines up perfectly with the rest of the book of Revelation if you really

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Are going to take some things, you know, is there a literal beast for example in Revelation?

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Is it I mean, you know, is there a literal? Prostitute we'll say that There are things in Revelation that people say

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Oh, well, this means this and this means that but then we we get nitpicky with other things to say

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No, that has to be literal Well that you know, I think we can all agree that everything in Revelation is talking about a literal thing

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But the symbolism itself, that's not what is actually literal, right?

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It's symbolizing something and it's it's the nature of the book So what one quick thing

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I think I'm gonna take Andy's cue here Because I I gotta go off to bed pretty soon myself

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So Why don't you share the gospel after your comment and when you finish sharing the gospel

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Mario We don't know how often you'll be able to be with us since it's early in the morning there for you

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After Jay finishes sharing the gospel, would you close us a prayer? Yeah, sure The honor to do that perfect Well guys if you stuck around with us this far, you know

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We've been talking about how we want to show respect to people that have different positions

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Because at the same at the end of the day, we're united by one thing It's and it's our faith in Jesus Christ who has saved us who is our

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Lord and our Savior and It's not that these things don't matter and we can disagree and it's no big deal

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No, they do matter But you know why they matter so strongly to us and sometimes while we get into such serious debate because we all love the

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Lord when we and we love his word and So that doesn't mean that everybody's gonna be correct.

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Sometimes right? We're gonna make mistakes Maybe we're wrong. I don't think we are I think in this case men like Andy whom

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I respect and my love is a brother in Christ I think he's wrong. But but you know what at the end of the day Whoever is right

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When we are together in glory, we're gonna have a good laugh about it. That's right In our fellowship together a perfect fellowship because right now

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We're in a time when we are corrupt and we are we have sinful tendencies even as believers in Christ For those of you who have never trusted in Christ I really really really think that you should not harden your heart tonight.

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I know it's tempting When we talk about these things and and I'm amazed that you stuck with us this long if you if you have and Talking about all these things that have to do with the

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Word of God, but you don't actually believe it And that's a that's really sad

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Because we're talking about something called the last things eschatology this is part of what the rapture is involved in and the fact of the matter is that the

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Last things are going to happen death is going to come Or Christ will return one or the other but either way you will have to face

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The God who created you in judgment now the question is Can you stand on?

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Your own merit before this Holy God who has created you who has put his law his moral standards in your heart

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The question is have you obeyed those moral standards that he's given to you that you know are the right thing to do

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Have you always told the truth? Have you always been kind to other people and loved them?

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Above your own selfish needs. Have you never had an evil thought in your mind?

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I mean If you're really really really honest, you can't say

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Yeah, no, I've done that perfectly if you're being honest If you're not you're already breaking that because you're lying you're saying no,

01:24:34

I've never done anything wrong. Yeah So you're already doing something wrong anyway

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And and I know it might be tempting to say okay fine fine I've done those things but I'm not that bad

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Because generally I try to do what is right James the

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Book of James says that whoever keeps the whole law But breaks just one commandment guilty of breaking all of it

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Amen, my friend if you think you're not that bad, you don't know God You don't know

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God. He is that the Bible says that he is. Holy. Holy. Holy three times.

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Holy Yes, what does holy mean? We've you know, if you've gone to church or your entire life, you're like, yeah,

01:25:19

God is holy You don't really think about what that means. Do you it means that he is so above Your perspective of morality you do not comprehend how amazingly morally perfect he is right and The issue that you have is that you compare yourself to the worst of men, but from God's perspective

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You're not that far off from the worst possible man. You can think of You're really not

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That is the holiness of God That's how far from sin and all that you're capable of doing in your fallen nature

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That's how far he is from all of it And he will not stand to be in the presence of such horrid horrid sin that disgusts him that to us

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It's a white lie, and it's not a big deal. But to him, you know, the thought is is is Deplorable, right?

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It's absolutely not something that even comes into his mind Yeah But you know what?

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In spite of all that in spite of the fact that you deserve his wrath you deserve his condemnation

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You deserve to be eternally separated from him. There is good news and that is

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Jesus Christ now Please don't again. Don't harden your heart to that You've heard this name many times

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But have you really really thought about who what what things Jesus implies if Jesus said is who he said?

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he is if He really is the Son of God if he really is

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One who died and conquered death because he rose on the third day then there is good news my friend

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There is good news. Amen That is that he took the sins of many

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God put them on his son Jesus Christ on that cross He unleashed his wrath on them

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And he took his righteousness because he never sinned and he puts it on whoever believes in him name and my friend

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Please again. I ask you once again. Do not harden your heart God will not turn you away if you come to him.

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He will not say no. No, you're beyond salvation Yeah, whoever comes to him.

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He will never cast out Today if you have not repented and trusted in Jesus Christ I have the greatest news and the greatest lifesaver that I could ever give you.

01:27:48

It's this go to Christ Repent to your sins turn from them. That means to turn from them to agree with God God.

01:27:54

I agree. I know that's wrong I can't even let them go on my own. I need your help

01:27:59

Please change my heart because I love my sins so much, but I don't want to love it. Please Save me

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You know what rejoice if you do that rejoice Because I promise you you have been forgiven

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You are now one of children by adoption by faith in his son Jesus Christ.

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That's the gospel believe in him today Gracious Heavenly Father, I thank you for the opportunity that we could get together today and discuss your word

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Discuss matters of truth father. I would ask you that we would would grant all of your ministers

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Still to have the right place For these matters namely that we would not

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Overlook what really matters behind all of these truth. Namely that we have love

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That we have love for Christ love for his church And that the simplest

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Saint is better than the most taught and wisest who has truth

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But has not love may Lord. Please grant us that we would have love for you and love for your people and that we would discuss these these things not as a

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Well hobby or something which we find cool But that we would seek to honor you and to do it out of love for you father

01:29:30

Please make sure that we will not go beyond our goal Because we miss that Lord I also would ask you that you would grant your church to come to a sound understanding of your word

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Because from my perspective from our perspective Your church and that which calls itself your church has wandered off to so many human traditions may it be

01:29:57

Rome may it be Dispensationalism or whatnot Lord. We ask you that you would

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Bring your church to a sound understanding of your word and we who have the post -millennial hope we

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We believe that you will Lord, so thanks for the work that you are doing We would ask you to use us to use all the brothers in the podcast and all the listeners and all of your people

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To proclaim Christ to honor him and may his enemies be defeated today

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May today be a day where? One enemy after another may crumble before Christ's feet

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Oh Lord, and would you please use us in bringing that about because you you will

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Give the whole world to your son and you will use your triumphant church

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And so we would ask you that you would give us the honor in participating in that Lord, we thank you for the opportunity.

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We ask you to reach the people To come to an even deeper understanding of your word and may you use this humble means of this podcast?

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For in order to achieve that we ask it in the name of your son

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Jesus Christ Amen Praise the Lord. Thank you.

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