Eschatology

Give me a heads up. Most people who... Oh, we got your net light on. Yeah, just switch. Sorry. Most people right away assume just pre-trib rapture and... Oh, we're going to pray too. I've got to pray for this because...

Yeah, there we go. Thanks. All right. Yeah. Of course you can. Yeah. Yeah. Right on. So we'll pray and then we'll talk about this stuff. And we'll go through a lot of stuff here. Lord Jesus, thank you for the time.

I ask, Lord, that you would bless it. And I ask, Lord, for your mercy and grace in the people here and those who are listening. And that, Lord, you would grant people an open mind and heart as we look at your word.

And we ask, Lord, for your correction, your admonition, your teaching, your open heart and love. And we ask this, Jesus, in your precious name. Amen. All right. So maybe we might have some more coming in, wandering in.

That's okay. So we've got people coming in. Good. So if any of you out there on the cloud someplace are watching, you might want to get a piece of paper and a pen or pencil and take some notes. Now, a lot of this is already on the CARM website.

So if you were to go to CARM and look up the two ages in support of amillennialism, two ages in support of amillennialism. I've got a lot of the notes from that here and some other stuff as well. But what I normally do is I have someone take a piece of paper and I have them draw a line down the middle and then this age and the age to come.

And you'll see why we do that, because that is the eschatological model that Paul taught. It's the eschatological model that Jesus taught. And most people are just not aware of these issues. I've never heard it taught in a pulpit.

I've never heard it taught in Bible studies, this age and the age to come. Where I learned it was in Southern California at some, just some people back then. I think Kim Riddle Barger, that name might be familiar to some.

He and I talked about amill before. And then I forgot where I learned this about this. I forgot. It's just so much. And let me do this. We don't want to have the mic rubbing on fabric. So there we go.

I think that's better. And I should get my computer going too here in a little bit. Yeah, I think I'll do that now so that I can see any comments or issues that might be coming up. And so we can go to verses and things like that as well if we need to.

The Two Ages: This Age and the Age to Come

So what I want to point out is that the common held position in the church today, I believe, exists because it's what's been taught in the Schofield Reference Bible. And I also believe that the pastors and elders who teach pre-trib rapture are not exegeting Scripture sufficiently or deeply enough.

And that's not to say if they disagree with me that, you know, I'm calling them names or don't think they're intelligent or have their reasons. Of course they do. But what I'm going to show, in my opinion, cannot be refuted.

I just, I don't believe it can be. Now, that may sound arrogant, but it's not. I just don't think it'd be refuted. I just haven't seen anybody refute it in 15 years I've been teaching this. I just haven't seen it yet.

And so that's what I mean, you know, and people say, well, okay, whatever. But so the Bible talks about this age and the age to come. In Mark 10, 30, Jesus says, but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses, brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms along with persecutions and in the age to come, eternal life.

In Luke 18, 30, Jesus says, who will not receive many times as much at this time and the age to come, eternal life. So there's this age, the present age and the age to come. And this is what we would do.

We'd draw that line in this age, the age to come. In this age, the sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. That's Luke 20, 34. The wisdom of this world is the wisdom of this age. First Corinthians 1, 20, where is the wise man?

Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Now I'm going to say that when I've done this before, a lot of times people are like, I've never even thought about this in these terms.

It's just new. Well, it's going to get newer. First Corinthians 2, 6, yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature, a wisdom, however, not of this age, nor the rulers of this age who are passing away.

Second Corinthians 4, 4, in whose case God of this world, and this could be this age, has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so they may not see the glory of the gospel of the Lord of Jesus. That's second Corinthians 4, 4.

Jesus rescued us from the present evil age in Galatians 1, 4, who gave himself for our sins so that he might rescue us from this present evil age according to the will of God our Father. All right. People will receive eternal life in the age to come.

That's Mark 10, 30, Luke 18, 30, 1 Timothy 6, 9. I don't think that's, 1 Timothy 6, 9, I don't think it's the right verse, so I'll scratch that one. Luke 20, 35, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.

We can see there's this age and the age to come. There is this age and the age to come. We live in a present evil age. We live in an age where there's sin. In the next age, we have eternal life. Technically, we possess it now, 1 John 5, 13, but what he's talking about here is the full resurrection, everything that belongs to the culmination of events.

We have this age and the age to come. We have two ages. Now, there are some places where we're talking about the ages, and talking about ages, that's more of a poetic frame, a poetic discussion, and the ages to come, and things like that.

It's just all the timeframes, the eons, the centuries, and things like that. What we read is that in this age, we have problems, marriage, we have diseases, but in the age to come, eternal life, we're not given in marriage.

It's the culmination of things. Now, again, I have never heard anybody preach on this that I can remember. Maybe I have, and I just don't recall, but I don't recall. When I go to some churches, and they talk about pre-trib rapture, pre-millennialism, and they talk about verses that I know contextually don't support their view, or they just do not cover the other evidence.

They just don't cover it. I'm dismayed. Like I said, it still bothers me. I've never heard anybody preach on this age and age to come, but yet, it's right there in Scripture. Now, I'm not saying people haven't done it.

I just haven't heard it. We have this age and age to come, and what you can do is, as you draw that vertical line of paper, if you do that, what we're going to do is find out what the Scripture says, what goes where.

You're going to write it on this age or age to come. If there's two ages, then there's the end of the age, right? That would have to be this age. It can't be that the age to come is going to end, because we have eternal life.

It just doesn't end. All right. You're going to figure out where to put some of these things. It'll take a bit. 1 Corinthians 5 .5, I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

So, the day of the Lord is a day of judgment, right? Okay. You can make a note someplace, day of the Lord is judgment, right? 1 Corinthians 5 .5. Many will say to me, on that day, Lord, Lord, would not prophesy on your name, et cetera, et cetera.

I've quoted this so many times over the years, Matthew 7, 22, and 23. It's a day of judgment. In 2 Timothy 1 .18, the Lord granted him to find mercy from the Lord on that day. You know very well what services he rendered at Ephesus, that's 2 Timothy 1 .18.

Notice what it says. In 1 Corinthians 5 .5, the spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. Is the day of the Lord week long, a year long, a century long, or is it a day? The day of the Lord. In Matthew 7 .22, many will say to me, on that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy?

In 2 Timothy 1 .18, the Lord granted him to find mercy from the Lord on that day. And you know very well, et cetera. In 2 Timothy 4 .8, in the future, there's laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge will award to me on that day.

So, we see there's a judgment coming on that day. So, that day, we could put judgment. And it looks like a judgment of the wicked because it says, did we do this? Get away from me, I never knew you. And Paul says that we'll be judged on that day.

So, judgment of the good and the wicked are on that day. On that day, that's what it says. Now, it also says the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Is the day of the Lord the same as that day?

That's a question. Okay. 1 Thessalonians 5 .2, for you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. Now, the context of that, incidentally, is the rapture.

Because in 1 Thessalonians 4 .16 through chapter 5, verse 2, it says, and the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

And we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together to meet him in the air. Therefore, you have no need to worry or something like that, blah, blah, blah. For the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

So, that's what he's talking about. The day of the Lord, the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night. And that is the rapture. That's what it says. Okay. That's 1 Thessalonians 4 .16 through chapter 5, verse 2.

Don't think that the chapter break is appropriate. It's not there in the Greek. It's just something we've added or somebody added, I forgot his name, to do locations of scriptures. So, the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, 1 Thessalonians 5 .2.

And 2 Peter 3 .10, the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat and the earth and its works will be burned up.

So, just so you guys know, reading these two verses, 1 Thessalonians 5 .2, actually 1 Thessalonians 4 .16, the return of Christ, the rapture, which is the day of the Lord to come like a thief in the night, and 2 Peter 3 .10, the day of the Lord to come like a thief, the heavens will pass away, the new heavens are new made.

Someone read these to me or had me read them. I was in El Cajon, California, San Diego County, at this guy's apartment. And he said, I want you to read this. I said, what's it about? He goes, I'm not telling you.

Just want you to read. And I was premillennial at the time. I said, okay. And I read. And I read. I looked up and I said, there's no millennium. Just that fast. From these two sets of verses, I abandoned premillennialism.

I just read this. He didn't tell me what it was. He didn't tell me anything. And I remember I said, there's no millennium. He goes, I know. Because he had done the same thing. And that's how I converted to all millennialism.

Because the day of the Lord to come like a thief is when the rapture occurs. But it's also the new heavens and new earth are made. Well, the pre-tribulation view says that the rapture occurs at the beginning of the seven-year tribulation, and there's a thousand years at the end of the thousand years of new heavens and new earth are made.

But this is saying they're both on the same day. But there's no thousand-year, literal one-thousand-year reign. We're going to get into this a lot. And it further means that the rapture can't occur until later.

And then when we go to, if you want to look at this ahead of time, folks, Matthew 13, 30, the parable of the wheat and the tares, Jesus says in the parable, the wheat are the Christians, the tares are the wicked people.

And the worker says, should we tear up the tares? He says, no, let you tear up the wheat also. Allow them both to grow together. And I will say to the harvesters, first gather the tares. So Jesus specifically states the first ones gathered are the wicked, not the good.

He says this in Matthew 13, 30. This took me years before I finally came public and said, this is what I teach, what I believe, because I haven't heard this before. I hadn't heard this before. And because of it, that was a huge concern.

Why is it that someone like myself would come up with this? And I've not read it in any commentaries and heard any preachers or anybody on radio mention it. And that bothered me a great deal. Now, as I reflect on some things, I remember now that over the years, there have been hints by different teachers about some of these things.

And I remember going, oh, there's that point, there's this point, there's that point. And I don't remember if someone put it together or I put it together. I just don't remember. But I just, you know, I'm going, why is it that no one has focused?

Again, I've not heard, which certainly doesn't mean it hasn't been addressed. Okay. I just, I've not heard it. I've not heard, and I've heard a lot of stuff. I've not heard anybody teach that the wicked are taken first.

I'm the first one that you've known. How many, I'm the first one you knew that mentioned that, right? That's scary. That's a warning flag. And I still consider it a warning flag. And I want to say this repeatedly, that because I came up with this, it says it right there.

Am I missing something? Why is it that others haven't taught? I don't get it. And so I'm concerned for obvious reasons still. All right. Now, now let's go to John 6, 39 through 40. Last one's there's a semi-Pelagian with a full preterist viewpoint that negates Acts 1.

I like to insult people kind of thing, you know, without them knowing what I'm saying. That's kind of nice. All right. John 6, 39 to 40, 39 to 40. Okay. And let me close some of these things. I'm going to be getting into the chat room because I'm going to, what I want to do is pay attention to people's comments so that maybe I can address them during, during this.

And so if I'm going to do is go into StreamYard and, and just tech check things out, or what I might do is I probably I'll just go to Facebook. No, I won't. I'll do this. Okay. I'm going to go into the studio this way.

I can see all comments in one place. Should they come in? All right. So just bear with me one minute. Should have done this earlier, but that's where it is right now. Enter the studio and mute that. There we go.

And turn the sound down. There we go. All right. And I can see people's comments like that. Now someone says the coming of the Messiah was in two parts. That's not in scripture. You just don't find that.

Seriously, you don't find it in two parts. That is made up. It just doesn't exist. Some people will say, look, he comes to begin the tribulation in part, partway to get the people of the church. And then he comes back later at the seven-year tribulation, but nothing in scripture says that it says the coming of the Lord, not the comings.

So it's an invention by people who hold to the pre-trib stuff. Sorry, but it is. I think doofus McGee was the guy who, I don't know who started it. I don't know. Okay. The resurrection occurs on the last day.

Okay. So remember the last day, the last day is a judgment, right? The last day is now the resurrection. This is the will of him who sent me that all he's given me, I lose none, but raise it up on the last day.

Okay. For this is the will of my father, that everyone who beholds a son and believes in him will have eternal life. And I myself will raise him up in the last day. John 6, 44, no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6, 54, he eats my flesh and drinks my blood as eternal life. And I will raise him up on the last day. And Luke, John 11, 24, Martha said to him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day, the resurrection on the last day.

Right. But it's also the case that the judgment occurs on the last day of the good and the bad. Right. That's what it says. Right. Okay. John 12, 48, he who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has one who judges me, judges him, excuse me.

The word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. The wicked are going to be judged in the last day. The good are going to be judged in the last day. Right. The resurrection is on the last day.

That's what it says. As a friend of mine mocks me, that's what it says. What does it say? That's what it says. First Corinthians 1, 8, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The judgment, blameless, the day of our Lord is the last day. The day of the Lord now is the last day. With me so far? Okay. Now, Matthew 24, 1 through 3, and I'm going to read verse 31. Now, we could go through Matthew 24.

Maybe we'll do it later. We have a lot of time. People want to go through it. Matthew 24, 1 through 3, Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to him and said to him, Jesus said to them, do you not see all these things?

Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another which will not be torn down. As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, I've been there, the disciples came to him privately saying, tell us when will these things happen?

That's the reference to the destruction of the temple. And what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? And notice what he said, the sign of your coming. It's not two part comings. It's not two comings.

It's one. What is the sign of your coming and the end of the age? So now the sign at the end of the age is what he's going to respond to. And I can go into a lot of Matthew 24, but we're not here. But in verse 31, he says, and he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together his elect when the four winds from one end of the sky to the other.

Now, that means that the elect are gathered at the end of the age, which we already know come like a day, like a thief of the night, which is when the resurrection happens. We'll get into that. Okay. You with me?

This is not that hard, is it? When you start putting this together, you go, what? At the end of the age. So what normally is happening here at this point is people are on the sheet that are writing this age, and they're getting closer to that line because that's where everything's happening.

The last day. The last day is when the resurrection occurs. The last day of what? There is no last day of the age to come. It's eternal. There has to be a last day on this age. This age, the end of this age is when judgment occurs, when the rapture occurs, and we'll get into all this stuff.

And it's at the end of the age. Okay. Now, for those who say that he comes twice or the double kind of a way, in Acts 1, 9 to 11, after he said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And as they were gazing intently into the sky while he was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven, will come in just the same way, right?

That's what they said will happen. The angels who represent the truth here said that Jesus will come back the same way he went into heaven. He went up into the clouds. That's how he's going to come back.

There's no two returns. It's come back this way. And what does it say in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16? For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, the trumpet of God, the dead in Christ shall rise first.

This is how he's going to return. And when he returns, the coming, it's going to be with a trumpet of God, the voice of the archangel and things like that, right? Okay. Now let's go to Revelation 8. It's interesting for the people out there in, let's see, Facebook land and YouTube land.

You guys can tell me, it could take a little bit to get through. That's not dividing, but teaching. He and I agree with you regarding salvation. They're true believers holding the. That's right, Jim. Trisha says I'm dividing.

Well, if the truth must be known, the truth, divisions must be occurred. Why was it? 1 Corinthians 11, 19, I think it says the truth must be known so that divisions occur. There's actually a verse that talks about that.

Truth causes divisions. Now here's the thing that someone's saying that I'm causing division. Here's the thing. This is what the scripture says. Why is it that other people aren't teaching this? And are they teaching pre-trib rapture?

We're going to get out of here. I think it's harmful to the church. That's my official position. I think it's harmful. They're causing division. They're not believing the word of God. That's right. Revelation 8, verse 1 and 2, when the lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

And I saw the seven angels who stood before God and seven trumpets were given to them, seven angels, seven trumpets. And 1 Thessalonians 4 says he'll descend with the voice of the archangel, the trumpet of God.

And I think, I forgot where it is, the last trumpet says what happens. I think it might be in 1 Thessalonians 4. There's so much to study. All right. So I'm going to go through this quickly. In verse 7, Revelation 8, the first sounded and there came hail and fire, burned up trees and stuff and the grass.

The second angel sounded, a great mountain burning fire was thrown into the sea. Ships were destroyed. Verse 10, the third angel sounded, a great star fell from heaven like a burning torch, third of the rivers and the springs of the waters.

A fourth angel, verse 12, sounded and a third of the sun and the moon and a third of the stars were struck. It didn't shine for a while. Chapter 9, verse 1, the fifth angel sounded, I saw a star from heaven which had fallen from the earth and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him.

Smoke went up out of the pit, locusts on the earth, power was given to scorpions on the earth to have power. Verse 13, the sixth angel sounded and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God once saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, release the four angels who are bound at the great Euphrates and the four angels who had been prepared for that hour and a day and a month and a year been released so that they would kill a third of mankind.

Wow, that's going to be something. Verse 18, a third of mankind was killed by these three plagues. All right. In chapter 11, verse 15 to 19, then the seventh angel sounded and there were loud voices in heaven saying the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord.

Interesting. And his Christ and he will reign forever and ever and the 24 elders who sat on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God. So there's going to be some stuff coming. And let's see.

Remember, there's seven angels with the seven trumpets, right? So this is a seventh angel. That means a seventh trumpet, right? And loud voices, the kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord is Christ will reign forever and ever.

Twenty four elders that represents a church who sit on the thrones before God fell on their faces and worship God and saying, we thank you, oh, God almighty, who are and who were because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign and the nations were enraged and your wrath came.

I think this verse kind of goes better with premillennialism myself. I do. Because I don't think any of you has all the answers, but that's what I would say. But that's another topic. And the temple of God, which is in heaven, was open the dark of the covenant appeared to temple.

Okay. Now the last trumpet is a seventh trumpet. And that's when the dead in Christ will rise. So first Corinthians 1552, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable and it'll be changed.

Now I read through very quickly in revelation, bad stuff's coming. It's going to get really bad. And then it says the last trumpet, the dead will be raised imperishable. This is also what is spoken of in first Thessalonians 4, 16, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of an archangel and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

And we who are alive and remain shall be cut up together and meet him in the air. That's the rapture, which happens at the seventh trumpet, which happens after all the crap. Pre-trib rapture is gone, period.

It's gone. Okay. Yeah, that's what it says in first Thessalonians 4, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with a trumpet of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

The trumpet, that's the last trumpet of the seventh trumpet of revelation 11 tells us that that's when the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord. We know that this is preceded by all kinds of crap on the earth.

This is the rapture, the resurrection. We're going through it all. I don't see any way out of this. Okay. I don't see any way out of this. Let's see how many people are yelling at me. Someone says go suck on a blanket, doofus.

Who's that to? That's pretty good like that. Hey, dude, you okay?

It's not warm and fuzzy. No, not warm and fuzzy. We get taken out and all the non-believers get all this bad stuff.

Well, what happens a lot of times when this kind of stuff is talked about, because a lot of people have done this, it's a bad thing. They've identified a theological position that they identify with. And that is all comprised of the blonde hair, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer, Jesus, standing at the door of your heart, asking permission for you to let him in because he's so kind and gentle.

He's not going to let you go through difficulties because the wrath of God is coming on the unbelievers. Now for the church, we're taken out. And that's just how it is. Because if this is the case, then that blonde hair, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer, Jesus might not be the correct image that they have.

It might not be that. It might be that he creates people for the purpose of destruction, which it says in Proverbs 16, 4, and Romans 9, 22, and 23. All right. Now, so you guys know, and I'm going to do this for the sake of the readers, for the listeners.

I die to attend these Bible studies, Jessica Marie Ann Ott. Well, come to Idaho and you can. All right. There's only a few of us in the room here, just a few of us. So they're dregs of society. They fit in here really well, except you're not a dreg.

You're a cop. You earned a lot of respect. I have a lot of respect for police. I do. And then I insult everybody here. So they like it. They're all smiling. Except for, now he's smiling. Okay. They all said amen.

Almost said amen. That's right. Okay. So, you know, the thing of two men in the field, one is taken, one is left. That is the wicked who are taken. It is definitely not the good who are taken. It's the wicked who are taken.

Okay. And because they're bad, they're wicked. They're taken for judgment. I'll read the scriptures. We'll go through it. Okay. All right. Matthew 24, 37 through 41. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah, for as in those days before the flood, they were eating, they were drinking, they were giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark.

And they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away. Who's taken? It's the bad people. I'm going to prove it. Because some, they might say, no, the bad people were there and Noah was taken in the ark.

Because he was taken in the ark, wasn't he? So, will be the coming of the Son of Man, then there'll be two men in the field, one is taken, one is left. That's the rapture, Matt. Don't you know anything?

No, I don't know anything. Now, let's go to Luke 17, 26. It says, just as it happened in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark and the flood came and destroyed them all.

So, Luke 17 just gives us that little bit of clarity. The destruction or the ones who were taken are obviously the wicked. That's what it says. Okay. Whoever, the verse 34, I tell you that on that night, there'll be two men in one, this is Luke 17, 34.

I tell you on that night, there'll be two men in one bed, one will be taken, the other will be left. There'll be two women grinding at the same place, one will be taken and the other will be left. Two men will be in the field, one will be taken, the other will be left.

And they said, well, where? And he said, where the body is, the vultures also will be gathered. They're taken to a place of death and destruction. Now, for a lot of people who are listening to this, this is new.

And they're saying to themselves, that cannot possibly be right. Well, it is. And what you have to do is go to Matthew 24, 37, and Luke 17, 26, and just start reading, just compare them. And you will see that the ones who were taken are the wicked.

I have never, ever had anybody deny that once they've read it, it's always been a hundred percent. They go, that's what it says. And then where they're taken, they're taken to a place of destruction. That's what it says.

Okay. All right. Okay. Now the rapture occurs, folks. That's 1 Thessalonians 4, 16, 2 Tetra Fibers 2. Okay. But this is not about the rapture. And I got to issue my standard complaint about this. Why is it that of all the years and the preachers I've heard who talk about the two men taken, one is left, they all say it's a pre-trib rapture.

And it clearly is not. It clearly is not. What is wrong with them that they don't figure this out on their own? Why is it that they're not going through and reading what it says and checking it? Because they have an agenda or they just don't care, or they just are so convinced it doesn't occur to them to double check.