September 12, 2022 Show with Brian Borgman on “Jonathan Edwards on Genesis”

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And we look forward to receiving your questions for Pete During the

broadcast, but today I'm also very excited to have as a returning guest Brian Borgman.

He is founding pastor of Grace Community Church in Minden, Nevada.

And today we're going to be addressing his new book Jonathan Edwards on Genesis

hermeneutics homiletics and theology and we're also going to be announcing the

2022 Northwest Fire Regional Fellowship in Prineville, Oregon, and it's

my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron trumpet Zion radio pastor Brian Borgman.

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And.

Tell us about who was Jonathan Edwards.

Jonathan Edwards is for those who have been most of those

actually I'm assuming Most of those who have been a Christian

for any reasonable length of time.

Have at least heard of Jonathan Edwards, it doesn't even matter if you are theologically reformed you

might even despise those teachings but you've heard of Jonathan Edwards

the likelihood is.

Actually and.

But many people may not know the important details of

Jonathan Edwards life.

In fact It is interesting that I know at least one

man who's a friend of mine Pastor Ed Moore of North Shore Baptist Church in Bayside,

Queens Sovereign Grace believing Pastor there really gifted

powerful preacher.

Highly sought -after conference speaker.

But Ed he was raised in an Armenian home and did

not come to embrace the doctrines of Sovereign Grace until

I believe it was at Georgia Tech.

He.

Was in an American history class and an atheist

professor Said something to the effect.

You cannot rightly understand American history without knowing who Jonathan Edwards is and this

atheist professor Explained in detail the theology of Jonathan

Edwards and God turned on the light switch in heads mind and

heart and He received those teachings as truth and embraced them and has been preaching them

ever since.

But tell our listeners about Jonathan Edwards when and where he

lived and Why he has come to a position of

Most learned Christians, especially those who are theologically reformed.

Insisting that we know much about and learn much from Jonathan Edwards.

Not that he was a perfect man.

Not that everyone who is reformed agrees with everything he taught and believed.

But obviously one of the giants of the faith that we would be foolish to ignore.

Yeah,

for

sure.

Yeah,

Chris

will

marry

and

an

extraordinary

life

as a

church

discipline.

Suicides,

I

mean all

the

stuff

congregation during that period

of

son -in

-law

upon

if time

probably one of the one of the most

American soil so.

Just as a bit of trivia.

I have eaten in a restaurant at least twice in Manhattan.

That was formerly the carriage house owned by Aaron Burr.

The restaurant is called one if by land two if by sea.

And.

Excellent restaurant from My memories so I recommend that to anyone who is visiting

Manhattan, but actually with with all the tyrannical Mandates and

shutdowns that have occurred in Manhattan.

I don't even know if the restaurant still exists.

But just thought I'd throw that in there.

Now you have addressed an issue About Jonathan Edwards

Theology that I have not Encountered before your book.

I've read a number of books about and by Jonathan Edwards and I have

not Read anything that targeted the the book of Genesis.

Tell us about why you are so intrigued by Edwards

Exegesis of Genesis that you said to yourself, but I gotta write a book on this.

Yeah, well I love I love Edwards.

I was introduced to Edwards that made us

read a written

that That

people have taken,

you

know,

there's

been studies but one

of the

area G

and

we

needed

Edwards

and

yet well, I'm

going

to

give

our

listeners

our email

address

if

you'd

like

to ask

a question of.

Brian Borgman on Jonathan Edwards his life ministry legacy and

specifically on his take on Genesis in regard to hermeneutics homiletics

and theology.

Our Email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence.

Also for our Newer Christians younger Christians in the faith.

Can you please define hermeneutics and homiletics?

So I'm assuming if

you got.

If you were able to glean what Edwards views of

homiletics were he must have since we have no audio of Jonathan

Edwards, obviously, he must have been explaining in detail how he believed.

The scriptures should be properly preached even the manner.

Yeah,

so inherit

actually

be somewhat Concise

oftentimes the historical background of the text would be Unfolded and things like that

and then he would move to what would be called the doctrines and The

doctrine that would be

and so even

though

Edwards right

talk about that

a

little

bit.

His and we are going to our

first.

Commercial break right now.

If anybody would like to join us.

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guests starting at 6 p .m.

Now this is a fundraising event designed to raise money to help grow this type of education.

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We are talking about his latest book Jonathan Edwards on Genesis hermeneutics homiletics

and theology.

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Let's go to a couple of our listener questions that have already come

in.

First of all, we have Ted in Moundville, Alabama your guest mentioned in Passing

that Edwards had to deal with suicides as a pastor and I was reminded.

I was reminded of That rash of suicides that included an older man a

Parishioner of Edwards who killed himself in his bed on a Sunday morning.

I was I wonder what he thinks of the common interpretation of those

suicides as a result of an oppressive and toxic Puritan theology

of you often put forward by secular historians.

Yeah, I

mean I you

know the thing is.

Well,

thank

you Ted and

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shipping out the books to our winners as always at no cost to our

listeners or to our interpreters iron radio and I also want

to let our listeners know that There is a

book in print.

A Yes booklet would be Probably a more proper

way of describing it Called heaven a world of love since Brian

Mentioned Jonathan Edwards voluminous writing on heaven much more

than he wrote on hell or anything that was

More frightening and it's in its emphasis.

And you could get that that booklet by Jonathan Edwards in

from multiple different Publishers now since it's public domain the first

person that I know of Whoever brought that booklet into print

as a an excerpt from a larger work of

Edwards was my former Pastor Mike Adosh formerly formerly

the director founder and director of Calvary Press now running a sponsor of this program

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We also have a listener a very faithful

And loyal and financially generous listener in Asheboro, North Carolina,

we have Grady Who says greetings brothers?

How many books of the Bible do we have that Jonathan Edwards preached through?

I'm assuming he means that Jonathan Edwards wrote about or that his sermons were

Transcribed and available to us.

I'm assuming that's what he means.

Yeah.

Followed the pure

bit redemption

ends up

being.

You

know,

you can

actually

Grady if.

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Jonathan Edwards on Genesis and.

Thanks for submitting your question.

Let me see here, what would be the the primary.

Things that somebody picking up your book and reading it from cover to cover.

What would they come away with?

About the primary Teachings and elements of the book of

Genesis as far as how Jonathan Edwards.

Executed rise in in

a few different ways one

Logical mean by that is character the bottom.

Typologically the logical

is full

times

in his

ministry.

So

for

in

instruction

and angel

passage

all

going on and he really applies it hard or

the God it's a

I mean I I'm

Germans all

together in Genesis

part of the looking

at actually trying to decipher.

Now we know how Genesis was Among

the primary books of the scriptures that

were under attack in the 19th century of

Christianity higher criticism and so forth.

Did any of that begin in Edwards day prior to that?

Yeah, so additional figure

that he

does with

gently.

But the

other thing that he in

fact can we pick up

where you left off

there?

We have to go to our midway break right now.

Absolutely, and just pick up right on the freedom of the will.

Edwards understanding of that in defense of his theology regarding that.

Our.

Midway break is always a bit longer folks.

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Now, I don't have to tell you but American education.

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system.

The answer it's called classical Christian education a form of K through 12 ed.

That's very distinct from the type of education Most Americans have received Myself included

and that's why I'm so excited to have been invited by my friends at Long Island's Grace Christian

Academy to talk about this wonderful growing movement and new approach rediscovered to education.

It's at 7 p .m. October 15th at the Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York.

I'll also be signing copies of my New York Times best -selling book battle for the American mind for the first 50

guests starting at 6 p .m.

Now, this is a fundraising event designed to raise money to help grow this type of education at a time

when it is So desperately needed so please come ready to give and to learn.

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Edwards, I know that the scriptures teach men and women and children all

vital truths that we need to know.

But I was wondering if there was anything specific that Women can glean from Edwards writings and

perhaps even from your own book.

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and Obviously one of the central themes

that we can learn from Jonathan Edwards

Involves Anthropology.

And.

Basically the study of Man, what specifically do you address in regard to

Edwards theology of man and the image of God the Imago Dei?

Yeah, so it's Edwards obviously had a

26 to 28 one time made

in the

image

of God and

that made that and so

sermon

that Edwards preaches directly, but

there is there's actually a tremendous amount of Data on

Edwards in terms of the way that he deals with image of God.

Edwards with it was

writings.

But he would basically define the

in what we would say

intellect

and the image of God

natural

affection.

We have.

A listener From let's see, Westchester

County, New York.

Robert Robert says unless I heard you incorrectly,

I Believe Sarah Edwards was Jonathan's wife.

Not his mother and Esther.

Stoddard was his mother

his mother and he named one of his

daughters.

Yeah, when you referenced Sarah, I guess our listener thought you were referring to his mother.

But perhaps it was perhaps it was a mistake.

I don't know.

We would have to go back and listen to that.

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We are addressing Jonathan Edwards on Genesis

Charles Haddon Spurgeon once.

That was just a mistake folks.

Sorry People.

People.

May Christians may wrongly think That although

Anthropology a right biblical understanding of it is important.

They they may not think of it as seriously as

Theology and Christology and pneumatology for that matter, but

it isn't a Incorrect anthropology very often.

The root to all kinds of heresies that even wind up distorting one's own theology.

Oh.

For sure.

I mean, I think that that that really white people would

would jump to that conclude.

There's no doubt about it.

We have Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania who wants to know.

Is there anything that you disagreed with?

Edwards on.

I know that you're a Baptist and he was a pedo -baptist.

But other than that, can you think of anything?

Yeah.

Edwards

was

he

also

philosophical.

Maybe

a

couple

things.

That I would have.

You know take an issue with but you know, Jonathan Edwards is

right.

We must never claim our.

Extra biblical heroes of the faith to be infallible and inherent right

as Those that have written our God breathes scriptures.

Right and.

That reminds me of two things.

Isn't it amazing that.

Among some folks the term Biblicist has become a pejorative and an insult.

I mean, I'm my mind is boggled over that.

Absolute.

And as far as what you just said about.

The freedom of the will.

What I know that Edwards was a thoroughgoing Calvinist, but was there something about his understanding of

the freedom of the will?

That may have been in some way at odds With his predecessors in the Reformed

faith and even his contemporaries.

Something about The understanding of the freedom versus the bondage of the will that

Edwards may have had a Even if it was subtle a different spin on that.

Yeah, I think you know.

You've had it.

You've had quite a few people that have kind

of taken up

the issue and it

is.

It's

actually

it was

innovative.

He took a Bible took the binding apart and actually interleaved it with

and he just

took

as I try

to read

Complex that

the real

hit

you have a lion

in a cage

because he

has all

of this.

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That on occasion makes him so highly appealing and valuable to even

those that are Anti -calvinists.

There are some independent fundamentalist Baptists for instance who seem to Highly

regard Edwards and others that are not in our camp of reformed theology.

Yeah,

that

actually

Calvinistic

writing

even

because

really

and

could

a part

of

it

be.

As I have found with many reformed men From the past who

are lauded as heroes By vehement anti -calvinists

Charles Haddon Spurgeon would probably be the most frequently cited person

favorably cited and lauded historic figure.

Even by anti -calvinists could a part of that be as

I have witnessed myself.

This is really largely coming from the fact that these men don't fit

the false Character and stereotype of Calvinists and therefore

they think they're wonderful because they are they're reading them through the

Historically inaccurate understanding of what a Calvinist is.

So like for instance, they read Spurgeon and they said well, of course Spurgeon could not have been a very

strong Calvinist since he was so passionate about evangelizing the

lost as if those two things are mutually exclusive.

I just had a phone conversation recently with a

vehement Anti -calvinist independent fundamentalist King James only

Minister and the man before he knew I was a Calvinist That he was speaking

with on the phone Was extremely cordial and he said to me, where are you

from brother?

I said Pennsylvania and he said what are my greatest heroes of the faith.

George Whitfield loved Pennsylvania and he he gave me a quote.

He gave me a quote by Whitfield, which I can't remember.

You.

Know basically targeting the the thought that Whitfield loved

Pennsylvania.

And later on when he said so what Church, do you go

to and what is your your theological camp?

And I said I go to Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, and I'm a Reformed Baptist.

The temperature dropped down about a hundred degrees and.

I.

Said I don't even want to talk with you anymore on the phone.

It's making me sick because I hate Calvinism so much I can't even speak

with you and I said to him brother You just said that George Whitfield was one of your greatest

heroes and he yelled back at me.

You think I'm stupid.

I know that Whitfield was a Calvinist, but he lived 250 years ago and did great things for God.

This is the 21st century and I said and that makes.

That makes sense.

How how on earth does that make sense at all?

But anyway, hmm.

But do you think that could be a part of it.

People people just don't know really what?

Calvinism is so therefore these great heroes of the faith.

They determined well, they can't really be Calvinist because they don't fit the description.

I am I understand or no.

Yeah, I think that's I think that's a that's a part of it because

it's

often

the people that may not complete.

Oh brother, I want you to have some uninterrupted time before I go to any more listener questions.

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Uninterrupted to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

About Jonathan Edwards, perhaps even about Jonathan Edwards on Genesis in particular.

Yeah, well

I think them

and then history as

I tried to Historically locate there

was there was something and

if I could

just give an example of what I mean so

there's situation that arose in his congregation with the young people and

There was a New England

crack you

would

take a young

teen in

like

that.

But what he

was just lies

it, you know he

does the same thing with a sermon from new

Congress

a new

was a lot of

Politicking as to

who got young

money and

actually actively seeking to be a blessing Dutch

and prominence.

And and so the thing that really stood out to me is it Edwards was

planned and his primary concern

was not to be a brilliant Theologian or even a brilliant expositor.

His primary burden was to actually bring the Word of God to bear on the life of his

congregation for their salvation and their sanctification.

And so I would say that that in all the research and and hours and hours of

reading Edward sermons and and all of that the

most and I

we have Thomas

from West

Islet, Long

Island, New

York and.

He asks.

I have heard that a long -held belief I had was incorrect

about Edwards.

I have heard many times throughout my Christian life that Edwards purposely

preached sinners in the hands of an angry God in a very quiet and emotionless

manner and That that was to prove that the power of God was what

led to the conversions of so many and the outbreak of a revival not the manipulation

of emotions.

But later I have heard that that is not really true in regard to the manner with which Jonathan

Edwards preached that sermon.

That he preached it powerfully not to say that that lessens for any Moment

the fact that God's sovereign control over the word preached was the reason for the conversions and the

revival.

Just that the preaching manner had come to be a folklore story.

Yeah, I let

them

in

twice.

He

preached

it in his

own

congregation.

He was monotone.

I

think

that's the

day about what made dynamic was not it.

And so I would say that the listeners partially right

he was yeah.

It was almost as if because I've heard the same story.

It's almost as if Edwards deliberately Just read sinners

in the hands of an angry God without emotion In order to prove that it was God's

Sovereignty that brought the results, but I guess that may have either been partially

or entirely in myth.

Yeah, well yeah I don't think a motive in

you know obviously believed in the power of the word preached.

But he had no idea what the.

In fact

I know and I disagree with them vehemently.

I know pastors in this day and age From our camp of reformed

theology who do believe that is appropriate to intentionally preach without emotion.

And yeah, I really.

Vehemently disagree with but.

Also, most of our four father reformed forefathers would disagree with you.

Amen.

In fact I Strongly recommend if you haven't read it a book by Gabriel

Grossi Called preaching with biblical passion.

It's a phenomenal book on homiletics That gleans from all the great

streams of Protestantism whether it be from the particular Baptists

or the Presbyterians the Lutherans the Anglicans The

Methodists and so on.

It's a really phenomenal book.

And in fact, I'll send you a copy as soon as I can because I think brother that'd be great.

I want to thank you so much for doing such a superb job today.

I want to thank everybody who listened today.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.