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Yeah, I'll get my Bible, I'll get my program going, we'll go to the text, it's a common set of verses that people go to when they think that you can lose your salvation, but you can't lose your salvation.
And so what they'll do a lot of times, hopefully people don't want to set one verse against another verse. That's something we've got to avoid. So when we have clear scriptures, there's a principle of interpretation.
When we have clear scriptures, we have a set of topics, let's say for example like this, we have a topic, a certain topic, and we have a set of scriptures that fall in this category and a set of scriptures that fall in this category.
But they're under this one major topic. And what I mean is, this can only be understood one way, and these set of scriptures can be understood in, say, two or maybe more ways, but they're on the same topic.
So for example, once saved, always saved, for example, is a principle. If we have a set of scriptures on a particular topic, and one set of them, a subtopic, subset, inside of that broad set, can only be interpreted one way, for example, John 6, 37 -40, and 1 John 2, 19.
And yet you have other verses, Hebrews 6, 4 -6, Hebrews 10, 26, things like that, sometimes I think it's 2 Peter 2, 1, they will say, well, you can interpret these in different ways. Well, then these have to be interpreted in harmony with these.
Because these are clear, you can't violate the principle of interpretation that way. What a lot of people will do when I say, for example, once saved, always saved is true, they'll then take some verses like this, and they'll say, see, it contradicts what you're saying, Matt.
And what they're trying to do, automatically, is set the Word of God against itself, and that's not a good thing to do. So let me get to that set of scriptures, and we'll go through it. Now, first of all, who's the book of Hebrews written to?
Hebrews, all right. So if you were to, just scan through the book of Hebrews sometime. And in my Bible, Old Testament references are in capitals, so it's very easy to see Old Testament references. And there's just a ton of them.
All over the place, there is a whole bunch of references to, let me get some of this stuff going here, the smaller laptop today, oh, here we go, here we go, and we'll get to there. I should have had this open earlier.
There we go. And so when we get to Hebrews, we understand, first of all, it's written to the Hebrews. And since the book of Hebrews is referencing the Old Testament in a great, a lot, we just understand that it has to do with the Jewish mindset.
Now what I understand about this pericope, it says, for in the case of those who've once been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
This is a warning. It's a warning by, I believe Paul wrote this, that's just my opinion, can't prove it, but it's a warning by the writer of Hebrews to the Jewish people, the Hebrews. Now the Hebrews, the Jews, had it in their brain, in their idea, that what they were to do is follow certain rules, certain regulations in order to keep salvation, in order to maintain their position with God.
This never says they lose their salvation in any way. Jesus says in John 10, 27, 28, my sheep hear my voice, I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish. John 3, 16, God's love of the world to give His only begotten Son, that those who believe in Him would have everlasting life and never perish, all right?
And we can go through some other verses. So what do we do here with these then? It can't mean that they lose their salvation, even though people would like to say, yes, you can. But in the case of those who've been once enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift, made partakers of the Holy Spirit, so here's a question.
Could that verse apply to the Jews of Jesus' time who rejected Jesus ultimately? Well, think about it. Those who've been enlightened, have they been enlightened? Yeah. They've tasted the heavenly gift.
They've experienced Jesus Himself, right? And made partakers of the Holy Spirit. Now some people say, well, wait a minute, that proves it can't just be the Jews. The partakers of the Holy Spirit means that you're indwelt by the Spirit.
That's not what it says, though. Okay, now if it says indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we've got a serious problem. But it doesn't say that. It says they're partakers of. What does it mean to be a partaker of the Holy Spirit?
Does it mean that He's in you? Can an unbeliever partake of what the Holy Spirit is doing in people's lives? The answer is yes. The Hebrews certainly could. The Holy Spirit was working through Jesus. And the Holy Spirit was working through others.
So they could have been made partakers. And there's even a sense, I believe, where an unbeliever can be made a partaker of what God's doing. We have Gamaliel. I think it was Gamaliel. There's cobwebs in the back of my head here.
He prophesied, and it was because God had moved on him to do so, but he was denying Christ. And so we know that this kind of a thing can happen. Verse 5, "...and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come.".
Tasted. This is a metaphor. This is a symbol. They tasted it. So tasted the good word of God? Wait a minute. How do you taste the good word of God? You don't taste it. You don't put it... You know, the NASB Bible tastes better than the NIV.
It doesn't work like that for most people. And so it's talking about experience. These are experiences that are being talked about here. Experiencing the word of God in the person of Jesus, in the proclamations of the disciples.
And they've tasted the powers of the age to come. They've experienced them. What? Nourishment? Well, I don't think it applies in this context. But the idea of the word of... Anyway. So I've tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come.
And then have fallen away. It's impossible to renew them again to repentance. Now, if you were to go to 2 Corinthians... Let's see. I think it's 10 .7. Or maybe it's 7 .10. I always get those mixed up sometimes.
Well, we'll talk about that in a little bit. 2 Corinthians 7 .10. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation. But the sorrow of the world produces death.
There's basically two kinds of repentance, true and false. A repentance where, yeah, I got busted. I won't ever do it again. And then you do it again. There's another kind of repentance where you really are repentant in your heart.
You really are concerned. And so one leads to life, one is death. But notice, another thing, that's the kind of repentance here in Hebrews 6 .6. But it says they've fallen away. Fallen away from what?
Fallen away from tasting the good word, experiencing the power of the age to come, tasted the heavenly gift. They have fallen away from all that that is, which I believe. I believe, I do. What it is talking about is a reference of that time and place of Jesus and the disciples themselves who had a special ability to manifest the power of God to the Jews.
They participated. They saw. They tasted. The whole bit. And many of them were coming to a kind of a false repentance as they were coming to Christ, but not really believing. And we have a public declaration.
But then they would fall away. They'd go back to the old ways. And it's impossible to renew them again in repentance. Since they again crucified themselves, the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. Because what they're doing, once they say that they believe that Christ was crucified, and that's what their atoning was, and then they later leave that, they have manifested a false repentance.
And they're again saying that the crucifixion of Christ is of no value. And they're in the sense of putting Him to open shame. So what they're, I understand what this, I see this mean. So this is to the Jews, to the Hebrews.
I mean, not just Jews, but Hebrews. And so much Old Testament stuff is throughout the book of Hebrews. So much that I see this being a declaration to those Jews, those dedicated Hebrews, who had experienced so much, gone through a fake repentance, fallen away.
That's it. There's nothing left for them. In fact, the same kind of sentiment is found, come on, in Hebrews 10 .26. So if we were to go there, For if we go on sinning willfully, after receiving the knowledge of the truth, they are no longer made to sacrifice for sin.
Now, there is rising, unfortunately, what's called the willful sin cult. The willful sin cult, that's what we call it. They use this verse, If we go on sinning willfully, after receiving the knowledge of the truth, they are no longer made to sacrifice for sin.
If you sin willfully, then you've lost your salvation. You can never be saved again. And so I'll talk to them, and I've had encounters with them. And I'll say, so do you sin anymore? They go, nope, don't sin anymore.
Well, one of the, yeah, it's clearly what 1 John says. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. The truth is not in us. 1 John 1 .7 and 8. So, obviously, and then they have their ways of doing this.
It gets complicated. I can go to 1 John 3 .6. I can go to some other verses that they use. But the thing is that they'll use this. They'll say, if you go on sinning willfully, how many of you ever sin willfully after you become a Christian?
You know, and I'll talk to them. And I love to say to people who, you know, I don't sin anymore. Really? Spend five minutes with me. I'll cure that, you know. But, what's the context here? The Jews. Let's draw, look at 22.
Let's draw near with a sincere heart, full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. The Old Testament type of sprinklings and sanctification.
This is Old Testament illusion. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering. For he who promises faithful. Let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds. Not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.
If we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, what is that knowledge of the truth? That's the question. After receiving the knowledge of the truth. It doesn't say receiving Jesus.
Now in John 1 .13, for as many as received him, to them he gave the right to be called the children of God. That's John 1 .12. And in verse 13, who were born, and it says, not of your own will. That's paraphrasing that one.
So, they receive the knowledge of the truth. They haven't received the truth. They haven't received Christ. They've received the knowledge of. What is that knowledge of that truth? Jesus Christ is the Messiah fulfilled in the Old Testament.
He died on the cross, rose from the dead, according to the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15, 1 -4. If they go on sinning willfully, rejecting what God has provided in the atonement, then there is no more sacrifice for them.
Because there isn't any sacrifice. There's nothing. The Old Covenant is done with the death of Christ. Hebrews 8 .13, Hebrews 9 .15 -16. And since the New Covenant is in effect, the Old Testament sacrificial system is gone.
That's what he was talking about in Hebrews 5, 6, and 7. Jesus being a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. Who lives forever to make intercession for us. Hebrews 6 .20 and 7 .25. So he's the high priest.
He's the one who fulfilled all the requirements. Therefore, if you go on sinning willfully after receiving all of that, there's no sacrifice for you. You've got nothing left. There's no other options.
You know, nothing. And that's what's going on there. Alright? You have a question on there? Let's do it off the net. No. It just says that one does and one does not. Oh. There's a parable of the sower.
Answer why one believes and one does not. And the answer there is no. It just says one does and one does not. It doesn't say why. Then we get into the issue of Molinism, free will, predestination, election.
And I'll just tell you. The reason one believes and one does not is because God grants repentance. 2 Timothy 2 .25. And he grants that we believe. Philippians 1 .29 Our believing is the work of God. John 6 .28 .29 And we're born again not of our own will.
John 1 .13 We're caused to be born again. 1 Peter 1 .3 So the reason we believe is because God grants that we believe and ordains that we do. That's why. Now people may not like that, but that's what it is.
Yep. If I want to know what the right verses are about gray areas, I just go to CARM. I just go there. Because it's such a great website. It has all the answers. Well, most of them. That's what I would do.
And gray areas. So there are gray areas. Let's take this example of the issue of losing your salvation. And this principle here. We have gray areas, a topic, a set of scriptures on the same topic can be only interpreted one way and these another way.
Now, what'll happen is that people will say, well, Matt, that makes sense, but I don't agree with you that this can only be interpreted one way. I think this one verse right here belongs over here, not over here.
So people will argue about things. And what happens here is this, when we look it up, this verse, the way it's interpreted is due to a person's presuppositions. Okay? Presuppositions, what they assume beforehand.
So when I have discussions about this kind of stuff with people, I have to get to hear to see if their presuppositions are correct. Now, this means I also have to determine my own presuppositions to see if what I'm assuming about an area of gray, a gray area of scriptures maybe, am I presupposing a certain value in a certain area?
And so, what I have to do is check myself. And I do that a lot. And I hope I do a good job. But maybe I don't. I think I do. Maybe God's saying, no, Matt, you're trying, but you're not getting it. Maybe he'll tell me on the day of judgment.
I don't know. So how do we be dogmatic about something? What we have to do is check our presuppositions. So I typically, when we go to Matthew 24 and Luke 17, two men are in the field, one is taken, one is left.
And people say, that's the rapture. And it is not. It is not the rapture. You just got to read the context, the wicked are the ones that are taken. So the reason that people do this, and I forgot what the exact verse is around verse 24, 26, something like that, 32, whatever.
The reason people will do this is because they have these presuppositions, but they're told things mean already, and they don't want to have their presuppositions examined or cross-examined or undermined.
And so what I try and do with Christians is work on those things and try and break them down and say, is that what the text is saying? Now I'm not saying I always do this right, but this is the idea that we're supposed to have.
So one of the weaknesses of denominationalism is that we get into a denomination and we always believe what that denomination teaches in so many areas. I don't do that. I don't care. I went to a Calvinist seminary.
I have a Master's of Divinity from a Calvinist seminary. I'm a Calvinist. But I still check my Calvinist assumptions against the Word of God. I have changed my theological position since 1980 numerous times on various topics.
At first, I would change that many, the next year that many, the next year, and pretty soon I'm not changing too many things very often. Now it doesn't happen very often at all. Not because I got it all, but when you're changing your view, it affects other things.
You've got to slow down. What does that mean? And the more you have in your head, the quicker that process can become and you can work through things. My advantage is I'm able to do this because of apologetics all the time.
So how do we do this? How does the average Joe do this? How do they get to the point? I've got to do something here off-camera. There's a spider web up there. I keep seeing the light reflect off of it.
I feel much better now. So in a particular topic, what we have to do, if we're going to really study it, we've got to, first of all, say, Lord, teach me what the truth is, even if I don't like it. We go through and we look and say, what does it actually say?
Then we get into the issue of hermeneutics. The principles of interpreting scripture. First of all, what does it say? What does it say? And we expand out and we think we understand what it says. How do other verses relate to this?
Do other verses shed light on it? This eternal security thing is a great example of that. And then we can use logic and scripture. We'll use scripture, of course, but we'll use logic to analyze the issues of the scriptures that we're concluding.
This is a step. There's exact steps. All the time, you'll be right. We generally do this, this, and this. There's variations in it. People are different. Personalities are different. The more you do this, the better off you get.
How do we do it perfectly? I don't know. How do we perfectly understand what verses are the most dogmatic in order to understand other ones? I don't know. But I would say, logically, if there's only one explanation for something, that's pretty dogmatic.
For example, Colossians 2 .14. It's talking about Jesus having canceled out the certificate of debt, consisting of decrees, which was hostile to us. He took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Where was it nailed? To the cross. You can't say it was put someplace else because the text says so. When was it canceled? Nailing it to the cross. The certificate of debt, the chirographon, that legal IOU, indebtedness, was canceled at the cross.
Not when you believe. That's a great example of something in Colossians 2 .14. Because that verse, which has become one of my favorite verses over the years, tells us that the certificate of debt, the chirographon, the handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness, which seems to be either the sin debt itself or the law, as some people like to say, either one of those works fine.
Because let's say the sin debt, which I believe that's what it is, the handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness, and we break the law, we're incurring a debt, and Jesus equates sin with debt in our Father who art in heaven, Matthew 6, 12, and Luke 11, 4.
He equates sin and legal debt. But at any rate, so when we look at a verse like this, where it says he canceled the certificate of debt at the cross, there's a problem. Because we believe that we understand that we're justified, I'll use this as an example, we're justified when we believe, upon belief.
But if here the debt is canceled, okay, the debt is canceled at the cross, and from here to here is 2 ,000 years, then how could it be canceled here but yet we're justified when we believe? So what happens is, because people are dogmatic about this has to be the way it is, but this is true, and they see this and they'll say, this can't be true because I understand this to be true.
What they're doing is setting their dogmatism against scripture. Now, what they need to do is say, that's true, that's true. I have to understand how to relate them to each other. Instead of stopping and setting scripture against scripture or saying that my dogmatic opinion is the final authority and the final word, or my pastor or my denomination or whatever.
So when you do this, you learn that justification is by faith, Romans 5 .1 and 3 .28. When you learn that this is the case, you learn justification is different than the canceling of the debt. The legal debt is canceled at the cross, the application of it occurs when you believe.
No contradiction. So when you allow dogmatism, and I'm using the term that you're using, the sense of an absolute understanding of something that can't be understood in any way, this occurred at the cross.
Period. And this occurs when you believe. They're both true, but sometimes people will set them against each other because they don't understand it, because they've got these ideas in their head, they're not sufficient, and they continue to go on and cause theological problems.
So, it's a good example of stuff where I've had to deal with this with many, many Christians and say, I set them up, you know, and I'll quote this and go through certain logic, I have to teach them so that hopefully I have a better understanding of theology.
When that happens, your dogmatism shifts. And it shifts to the issue of truth. We know, we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Having therefore been justified by faith.
So justification is a legal standing before God. And you can go to Romans 4, 1 -5 for that. Well, this verse talks about when the sin debts cancelled. Jesus did it at the cross because our sins were accounted to Him.
They were given to Him. And His body on the cross, He bore them. That occurred here. They were cancelled at the cross, but were justified when believed. So then, you start learning theology, you go, oh, I get it.
This then becomes a dogmatic truth. Because now, you've harmonized more of scripture instead of one verse. And that's one of the problems that a lot of people make. Is they'll make dogma out of a single verse, and then they'll take that verse, elevate it above other verses, and what they'll do is they'll interpret scripture in light of a single verse.
Mistake. Yeah. Baby passes away. If babies go to heaven, it's because Jesus cancelled their sin debt. Now, people will say, well, babies can't sin. Yes, they can. They're obligated by nature to be honoring God.
We are by nature children of wrath, Ephesians 2, 3. And so, our nature has fallen. The heart is desperately wicked, deceitful, no man can trust it. Jeremiah 17, 9. And this gets into the more detailed issues of Psalm 51, Covenant, and I won't get into it because that's a 10-minute discussion.
I will leave it at that. Open the door for that one. Okay, another question. Do you want to try the net? They have a question there. We'll go here. How do I deal with living with Asperger's? Wow. Never been asked that before.
I've never been asked that question before. How do I deal living with it? Apparently, not very well. Some people say how do I deal with living with Asperger's? Oh, how does my wife deal with it? Okay.
So, what's the real question? How do I deal with it? I deal with it by making up the Asperger's is a deficiency of not getting social cues and not understanding social norms. And so, how I make up for it is by studying body language and listening to tone.
And I didn't know that others don't do that. And when I went and saw a psychologist to get diagnosed and he said, yeah, you got it. He said it very enthusiastically. I told him he did. I told him what I do.
I went into detail and he sat for 10 minutes listening and I said, people don't do that, do they? He goes, no. They don't do that. I do it. And so, I'm always analyzing people, where they stand, how long they stand, their hands on their head, what they do with their shirts.
I'm always watching stuff and it's just like another language to me. And so, like Jamie, the way he sits back there. I've been watching. I notice how he sits. And you with your saliva coming out. It tells me something.
And so, I'm able to use that a lot. And that's one of the ways I cope. One of the deficiencies I've got is in noise. So, I don't do well with too many noises and distractions. So, I have to carry earplugs.
And so, I order some special earplugs. And this is a nice case. And no lie, I was looking at it a couple of days ago. It says five point. And these were predestined to be mine. And so, I wear earplugs.
I cope. You guys have been around me when we've been in places where there's too much noise. I had to plug my ears. I had to leave. Club. Yeah. Yeah. But, here's one of the ways I'll deal with it. One of the ways for real is to tell the people I'm around, very much, that I have Asperger's.
And to my utter surprise, I was embarrassed about it at first. And then I decided to start letting people know. I was so pleasantly surprised to find people go, okay. They didn't care. They cared. They didn't care.
And so, when I'm out with people and I have too much overload, I just say, you know what? I can't handle. I'm getting overloaded. They go, okay. Let's just move over here. Move over there. Everybody's been so good.
It's been awesome. So, that's one of the ways of dealing with it. I think it's a huge help. And the reason is because, oh, sorry. Well, how does Asperger's affect my theological perspective and learning and stuff like that?
It's a huge asset. And the reason it is is because Asperger's people are on the autism spectrum. And so, autistic people are generally able to concentrate for long periods of time. I used to, I can't do anymore.
I'm just older. But I used to concentrate so deeply that I was in self-hypnosis. And I'd be like that for hours. And Anik, my wife, would come up to me and this would happen. She would come up to me sometimes and Matt, Matt, Matt, for 20 seconds.
And I'd come out of it. I'd look at her and I'd get mad. What are you doing? What do you want? Because it was just a reaction. And then I would calm down. And because I was so intently learning. Well, right or wrong, I mean, that's just what it was.
So, I was able to study for hours, super in depth. And I mean, have books everywhere and read commentaries and think these things through. Plus, I have the ability to remember numbers. And so, and I see patterns.
And so, it's helped me to learn things in scripture that a lot of people can't figure out. Not that I'm better. It's just, when you do that kind of stuff, you figure things out. And so, here we are. So, I don't know if that answers the question enough.
But if someone has Asperger's out there, and I can tell you why children do what they do the way they do it. I can tell you why, what's going on in their heads. You have it? No, you've got something far worse than Asperger's.
I think it's early dementia. Yeah, there's a category of dementia called excessive jerkiness. And obviously, you're right in there. Yeah, I'm just obstreperous. Which means boisterously recalcitrant. Let me look that up.
Another question? Or anybody? Yeah, Rob had a question. Okay. Covenant, what is the difference between covenant and dispensational theology? Okay. Alright. Okay. So, what I'll do here is do the issue of covenant versus dispensational theology.
And stuff like that. So, what I'll do is where's the chalk? I've got to get the chalk out of my briefcase. Here we go. So, covenant, okay. Dispensational, alright. Now, here we go. Good. Bad. Okay. Right.
Wrong. Smart. Lame. Alright. Now, I'm having my fun. And I hope that the Dispies are laughing. But let's get into this and we'll kind of have, I like to have fun like that. You know, it's dispensationalism says that God works in different dispensations.
A dispensation is a period of time. Typically, dispensationalism will break up history into seven epics. Okay. And I'm trying not to use the word dispensation because it's kind of redundant to define something with its own word.
How many dispensations? Dispensationalism is dispensations. Oh, that helps. Okay. So, seven epics. Seven periods. Okay. And it's just whatever. So, it might be from there's different ways. I don't have them all memorized.
It's on my website. Adam to, for example, Noah. It might be a dispensation and then it'll be like Noah to Abraham. And they'll call it and I'm not saying these are the exact right ones because I'm not dispensationalist.
But they might call this the time of the dispensation of works or the dispensation of covenant. They might call it whatever they want, but they have basically seven dispensations. And if someone brings up my website and looks up dispensational theology, I went through a couple of dispensational books and just copied their breakdown.
And so that's what they will say about dispensations. And they'll say there's seven of them because seven's biblical. Now that's, yeah, they would have a dispensation of redemptive time or something. But they cover all of history.
And they generally like to say that what God does is chronologically you'll have the first dispensation. This is time. And then you'll have the second dispensation. Then you'll have the third. Then you'll have the fourth because they're ordinal numbers.
And it will occur in order. And that's what they'll do. And so you're going to have seven. Sometimes there's three dispensations. I've read dispensationalists say, no, there's twelve, seven, and three.
I haven't actually heard twelve. I wouldn't be surprised if they say that. But that's the idea. I'm not trying to misrepresent them. But this is generally what dispensationalism is. And it can get a lot more detailed.
And sometimes the dispes, they, could you imagine if it was an Aspie dispe? That'd be interesting. I tried. It wasn't a very good try. Guess what it? What? What was that? I heard that. That was probably an insult to me.
Probably a good one too. Dispe Aspie? Dispe Aspie. Dispe Aspie. Dispe Aspie. So this is what they'll do. They'll divide history into seven periods. And God works a little bit differently in each of those periods.
Okay? They don't deny covenant. But they say covenants can be understood in light of the dispensations. Now covenant theology, which is what I believe in, because God works covenantally. To me it's like, no duh.
You go to Hebrews 13 .20, the blood of the eternal covenant, the inter-trinitarian covenant. God works covenantally. To me this is like, I'm serious. I really have a difficult time understanding how dispensationalists can hold on to dispensationalism when God works covenantally.
And people might say, Matt, come on, you're just being ridiculous. No I'm not. When I read the Bible, I see God working covenantally. A covenant is a pact or an agreement between two or more parties. Here's my covenant signed with my wife.
We have a verbal agreement, a verbal declaration, a verbal contract. I can have written contracts, which I sign my name to. It's the same thing as a verbal one. And because of that, and I believe that if I were to say to any one of you my word, I will do such and such, that's as good as me writing it down.
I will keep my word, unless I'm not able to for a reason that's beyond my control, and I will let you know. I take it very seriously. And the reason I do is because of Scripture. Now, we have in Genesis 1, we have God saying, let there be light.
He speaks. The word became flesh and dwelt among us. God covenanted in the Trinity. God covenanted with Abraham. He covenanted with Adam. He covenanted with Noah. He covenanted with Adam, Abraham, Adam, Noah, Abraham.
There's many covenants. There's David. There's Solomon made covenants with. Basically everybody. And so we have God working covenantally. And this is what gets me. Why is it so important? To me, it's the clincher for one very important, simple reason.
Because God said so. Hold on. Let me finish this. Then we'll get to that. Because God said so. What do I mean by that? Because God binds himself by his own word. He speaks. And he covenants and he commits himself by his word because it's him that he's doing this by himself to us.
That's covenant. And I see that as being the underlying reason for everything. God's covenantal aspect within the doctrine of the Trinity. In Hebrews 13 .20 the blood of the eternal covenant where the Father gave to the Son, the elect.
The Son would come and redeem them. Holy Spirit would apply the redemptive work. Eternal covenant theology. This is how I see God work because that's what seems to make sense biblically. This, in my opinion, not to be disrespectful to the dispensationalists, is a man-made imposition upon scripture to try and get number seven to work in things.
That's what I see. Okay. What about replacement theology? God's covenant with Israel. If you go to Romans 11 .24 and 25 it talks about God not being finished with Israel yet. So what covenant theology is is that in the sense we're talking about replacement theology.
Replacement theology says that the church replaces Israel. Basically that's what it's saying. Replacement theology. There are different degrees of replacement that some people hold to. But what I see it to be is God is not covenantally done with Israel and that the time of the Gentiles is underway.
The Gentiles are being grafted in, are fulfilled in the prophecy of God to Abraham in Genesis 12 .3, in you all the nations shall be blessed, which is quoted by Paul in Galatians 3 .8 as being the gospel.
And so we have not replaced Israel completely. We have replaced it in the barrier of the true Messiah. We're the one proclaiming it. We're the one proclaiming the truth of God's word and the completion.
We're the ones in the Christian church who are doing what God wanted Israel to do. But God covenantally is not done with them. So replacement in the sense that we have replaced Israel is not the case.
Because it says in let me get to it Romans 11 24 Romans come on Romans 11 24 says okay verse 25. For I do not want you brethren to be uninformed of this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come.
And so all Israel will be saved just as it is written the deliverer will come from Zion he will remove when God is from Jacob. This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. It's a covenant that God makes, not a dispensation.
It's a covenant. And so God is not done with Israel even though replacement theology says, some different degrees of it say that we have completely replaced Israel to partially replaced Israel. I'm a partial replacement theologian.
There's a partial replacement. But God's not done with Israel. He's going to awaken them. They're going to be used by God. That's what I believe. It's eschatological, end time stuff. What? Dispensationalist.
They don't deny covenants, no. They just see the epics of time as being how God works in different ways in different times and uses covenants within those to do it. Okay, well I would say no. He does covenant primarily.
Yes. Yeah. You could be a covenantal dispensationalist a dispensational covenantalist with variations of things. You could be a dispensationalist who holds to God's covenantal work. And so you could say, well in that sense you can call yourself that.
Covenant gets pretty complicated though. Covenant theology gets pretty complicated. It is not something you just learn in one day. There's a book by Kaminsky I think and it talks about covenant. And I was reading through it once and I think in 20 pages I was lost.
Not that I couldn't comprehend it. It was like, wow, there's a lot here. It's a vast topic because God is so covenantal and there's different kinds of covenants as a matter of fact. A lot of people don't know this but if you go to Exodus 20 and 1 -17 I think it is the Ten Commandments.
Well, in seminary I had the privilege of being taught by Meredith Klein and what he talked about was if I'm going to spell this wrong Suzerain Vassal I'm getting the spelling wrong I'm sure Treaty Pattern.
The Suzerain Vassal Treaty Pattern of the 2nd or 3rd millennium BC I forgot which millennium maybe it was a little overlap of both and this is the guy who discovered this apparently and he did this by reading you know when you meet super smart people and you realize they've forgotten more since lunch than you've ever learned in your life about a topic Meredith Klein was like that and one day he was reading in seminary he's reading from his English Bible.
I realized he wasn't reading he was translating the Hebrew as fast as he was talking and he'd go and he would just automatically translate from the Hebrew that was his text. His Hebrew text was Hebrew and he would translate into the English that fast any part of the Old Testament.
I was impressed I'd be going Aleph Beth trying to get the Hebrew alphabet down now he would read Ugaritic. I don't know what real language is but he was like one of those guys I think for this summer I'll learn ancient Ugaritic from the west Mesopotamian time from the 8th Kingdom but not the 12th.
One of those kind of guys and he does it and he comes back so he would do all this kind of research and he found out that the suzerain vassal treaty pattern big king little king the suzerain, the big king the vassal, the little king they make a covenant.
The covenant would be something like give me food give food and I'll protect you. I'll protect as an example so the big king would say you give me food to him and his smaller stuff. And when things go bad for you I'll come in and protect you.
So here would be the thing. But if I don't protect you if I don't I don't do that then you can have whatever of mine. You could do something. It's a covenant. It would have rewards, stipulations punishments.
Now here's what he discovered that in this covenant pattern, the suzerain vassal the suzerain would say this is who I am. This is what I've done that kind of thing. In other words he'd say look at me, I'm big and bad.
See my history. I kicked these guys butts. I'm so and so. And then there would be stipulations stipulations rewards. Perfect place for this and punishments. Alright now if you were to go to exodus 20 the ten commandments now what happened what happened was what happens.
What's that. Oh you're going to say he's walking you out. So when we go to exodus 20 this is the ten commandments. Now remember Moses went up to the mount to get the ten commandments. So he got how many tablets.
Two. So here's a tablet. Probably wasn't like that. But let's just do that people go five and five four and six six and four, no ten and ten. Why? Because each party gets a copy of the covenant. Right.
I'm not going to sign a covenant with somebody if I don't get a copy. Okay now where were the ten commandments kept in the ark of the covenant which is called the footstool of God in his presence in the holy of holies.
So God had a copy, the people had a copy. The symbolism, alright now let's go look at the ten commandments. Then God spoke these words saying I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt out of the house of slavery.
This is who I am and what I've done. There's the pattern, beginning. Alright you shall have no other gods before me. Stipulations, alright you shall not make for yourself an idol. Did you hear that Roman Catholics or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
You shall not worship them or serve them. For I am the Lord your God. Am a jealous God visiting the iniquity. Punishments. Okay, the iniquity of the fathers on the children on the third and fourth generations of those who hate me by showing loving kindness to thousands to those who love me and keep my commandments.
Rewards, okay. Verse seven, you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, stipulation for the Lord will not leave him unpunished. Punishment, who takes his name in vain. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Six days you shall labor, more stipulations and do your work. But the seventh day is like a Sabbath of the Lord your God in it you shall not do any work. You or your son or your daughter your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy, honor your father and your mother that your days may be prolonged in the land, reward.
You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
So ten commandments they have this woven into it. Now this is the time and the place, the Mesopotamian area where the treaty pattern was there. And Meredith Klein is the one who brought this to the world's attention.
And I got to sit in the same room with the guy. Why he taught it. Now people say seminary is really cemetery. You know I just wish people would stop talking like that because they just don't realize how ignorant they really are.
Oh yeah I really go to seminary. You know I hate that kind of attitude. We need higher education, we need higher learning. We need people who are smart like this who can say you know this stuff is real, this stuff happened back then.
This is the pattern that was there. This is why the two to ten commandments are in the ark, now it makes sense. You know we need this kind of stuff. And Paul the apostle was very educated. Did he go to seminary?
Essentially yes he did, the equivalent of it in the Hebrew system and God chose to use him. And what he learned in his education as a Pharisee. They were highly educated. And Paul I believe wrote Hebrews but obviously the other epistles he knew what he was talking about when it came to the Old Testament.
And he also knew stuff about Erastus and other pagan philosophers, Menander in Acts 17 he was quoting these guys, he was well studied. But we have Christians today and it makes me mad. No you don't need to go to seminary.
All you need is Jesus. Well that's a nice doctrinal statement. You can find it in scripture. I'm not saying we have to go to seminary but jeez don't be knocking unless they're liberal ones then knock them.
But there's some good ones out there there are and we'd be privileged to be able to go. I consider my education to be a great privilege, a very difficult one. It was hard and it was. But I learned a lot in seminary, here's one of the gems.
Yes where have I acquired all my theology and doctrine from? From everywhere. What I did when I first started studying was I started reading commentaries. H .A. Ironside was one of the first commentary sets I would go into and start reading.
I didn't know who to study, I didn't know what to study. I would even use the dictionary Webster's Dictionary. I would go to encyclopedias. I had an insatiable desire to learn so I would start studying everything I could get my hands on from commentaries different styles of commentaries to everything.
I would then start debating the cults and I always had to go to the Word of God and compare everything that was said with the Word of God. I always had the Bible open and I would be reading commentaries and I'd compare it with scripture.
Sometimes I'd agree with the commentaries and sometimes I wouldn't but I would read. I'd get single volume commentaries. I'd get large multi-volume commentaries. I would go to the Word. I would read NASB, NIV, King James.
I would try and find out what the differences were. I'd go out into the streets. I call it the streets, I mean swap meet ministry. I did for two and a half years dress up like a punk or pierce my ear go down to the beach do an ad in the paper and I would just debate and I would teach and it forced me to study and a lot of time to get my rear handed to me.
Those were very valuable times and I would take my rear and I would go and study. I got it handed to me. I'd go study, I'd go study, I'd go study and I went to college and Rod Rosenblatt who's a well known theologian in the Lutheran circles LCMS, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod said that they had a pre-seminary degree that you could take pre-seminary level work in preparation for Lutherans going into seminary and he said I knew more going in to that college than most of the pre-sem students did coming out and the reason was because I was studying everything I could get my hands on and comparing it with scripture and comparing with the cults.
I was enamored with dealing with cults and they would give me a challenge, I had to go study the word of God to find an answer and that's how I got my knowledge. That seminary reading finding people who knew more than me and comparing everything to the word of God.
That's what I did. I still do another question the what? Let's see if we can find it. I know you guys have to go to work. Here we go, Matthew 13 behold the sower went out to sow and as he sowed some seeds fell by the road.
The birds came and ate them up. Others fell in rocky places where they did not have much soil and immediately they sprang up because they had no depth of soil. When the sun had risen they were scorched.
Because they had not had root they withered away. Others fell among the thorns. The thorns came and choked them out and others fell on. The good soil yielded a crop some 160 and some 30. He has ears to hear.
Let him hear. I thought he interpreted this because I always wanted to go with what Jesus said. Yeah he goes. Verse 19 of Matthew 13. When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it the evil one comes and snatches away.
It just occurred to me. What I'm going to do is just read what Jesus said. What's the guy's question. Who said it snatched away from the Christians. Where does it say that the seeds are for believers.
When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart the word of the kingdom. He doesn't understand it. The evil one snatches it away.
That's not a believer. That's Matthew 13. All you have to do is read the context. I tell people to do this. Read it for yourself. Yeah. But it doesn't say there were believers in there. That's the thing when anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it now 1 Corinthians 2 .14 says a natural man cannot receive the things of God.
He doesn't understand it. But it's foolishness to him. He cannot receive it. That's 1 Corinthians 2 .14. So this would seem to me that it's just someone who's not a true believer. The word of God is snatched away from them.
It's the one whom the seed is sown beside the road. To me that seems pretty easy. Should you question that are we done. I'm not dodging. Put your hand in front of your face. Whoever you are. Look to your left and slap yourself upside the head.
Because huh Michael. Who Michael do this. Look to your left and slap yourself upside the head. Michael. Because I just read what the text said. When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it is that a Christian.
They don't understand it. Is that a believer. It's not a believer. Now ask him. I'm gonna ask you why do you believe you can lose your salvation. Well then you see he can't even get the text right. He's not even reading what it says.
Of course he'd have a problem. Because that's God's sovereignty not his own. Any other questions. Yeah synergists. Yes. Called original sin. And we were in Adam. There's a doctrine called federal headship and I guess they can hear me with this microphone thing going pretty well.
So I would recommend you go to CARM and read up on a doctrine called federal headship. Federal headship is the teaching that the male represents the descendants. It's a very important principle. We know that Adam and Eve were in the garden and Eve sinned first and then she gave the fruit to Adam and then Adam sinned.
But Romans 5 .12 says that sin entered the world through Adam not through Eve. So this is called federal headship. I'm gonna lay this case out. Why this works. Federal headship. Go to CARM and you can read the references.
You can see the article. Some of the verses you want to go to for this are here. 1 Corinthians 15 .22 in Adam all die in Christ. All shall be made alive in Adam. And in Christ are terms of federal headship.
You can also go to Romans 5 .18 which is correctly translated in the NASB. Another topic another time. And this talks about federal headship with a male representation in the person of Adam and the person of Jesus.
And then you can go to also Hebrews 7 7 -10 and this talks about federal headship and Levi paying tithes to Melchizedek while in the loins of his father Abraham. So federal headship is the biblical position the biblical teaching that the male represents the descendants not the female.
So to be in Adam is a term of federal headship. To be in Christ is a term of federal headship where he represents us. So we were in Adam so that when he fell we fell in him. And therefore since he represented us.
Pay attention to this. He represented us. Therefore his guilt became equivalent to our guilt. So what was his became ours. Now what people will do is they'll say I reject that Matt. I reject that Adam represented us and his guilt became our guilt.
Then take a look at this 1st Corinthians 15 I think it's verse 45. It says here that Jesus is the last Adam. He's the last Adam. Jesus represented us on the cross. He represented us on the cross. He's the last Adam.
The 1st Adam the 1st Adam his sin is imputed to us. If you reject the 1st Adam's imputation of his sin to us then you must also be consistent and reject the last Adam's imputation of righteousness to us.
Because you can't say I reject Adam representing us but say the 1st Adam and say the last Adam does represent us. But the 1st Adam does not. His sin doesn't become mine but his righteousness does become.
It's contradictory. Ok. Look up original sin. Look up federal headship on carm. Next we'll quit in 10 minutes. Yes. It's actually Romans 2 11 through 16 that pericope and it talks about those who do not have the law and various things like that.
It's been a long time since I've gone there. But they do the things that are in their heart their hearts either alternately accuse or defend them on the day of judgment. And when my gospel will defend them.
It's been a long time so let me see if I can go through that. I'm quite familiar. So what's the question with. I agree with the pericope. Do I agree with the scriptures here. Oh no. Yes and no. But no.
It's been a while since I've gone through this. There is no partiality with God for all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law. And all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
Gentiles and Jews it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged before God but the doers of the law will be justified. A lot of cults will use this verse and say that the ones who do in Roman Catholicism will use that as well.
The ones who do the will of God or do the works the law of God will be justified. Paul's not saying you're able to be justified by the law because in the next chapter he clearly states that Romans 3 28.
But what he's talking about is because he's talking to the Jews go to verse 1 of chapter 2. He's talking to the Jews. Therefore you have no excuse. Every one of you who passes judgment for in that which you judge another you condemn yourself.
For you who judge practice the same thing go to verse 17. But if you bear the name Jew and rely upon the law and boast in God etc etc. So Paul is addressing the self-righteous Jews because in chapter 1 he had condemned everybody under sin because they're suppressing God in their unrighteousness.
Romans 1 18 through well 32 roughly that's the whole rest of the chapter there. So he's doing that. But in Romans 2 the Jews are going to be saying yeah. Look at how bad those Gentiles are out there in Romans 2 1.
Hey you're guilty of what you accuse them of doing in Romans 17. If you call yourself a Jew and you have the oracles of God you have this you have that. You know what's going on. It may stretch it out of the law.
What he's doing in between there is he's saying look what's happening here is these people who are doing the law are going to be justified before God. He's talking to the Jews when their idea of no we have to keep that law.
But he's saying you're not keeping the law. You who accuse them of law breaking you're doing the same thing. And in a sense you say the ones who keep the law are right. They're the ones keeping that law.
They're going to be right before God not you. He's talking to them on their terms. That's what's going on there. Not the hearers of the law are just before God but the doers of the law. For when Gentiles who do not have the law do instinctively the things of the law.
These not having the law are a law to themselves. In that they show the work of the law written in their hearts. Now you can have people who are not Jews who are obeying the law but they do so because they're regenerated.
They believe in the truth of who God is and who Christ is. And they're doing the works of the law. And the Romans, the Roman Jews are condemning the Christians not necessarily the Christians. A lot of people I don't know if that helps or not.
That's it? Oh yeah. Modalist. What is the difference between what modalists believe and repeating it and oneness. The difference between modalism and oneness. There's a heresy called modal monarchism and oneness is a variation of that.
So I'll just do modalism and modalism. Man I don't write very well. Do I and oneness. Okay modalism says basically this the father became the son who became the Holy Spirit modes of the one person of God.
Both of them say one person. They would deny three persons. They say nope not three persons. Okay. So they say God is one person. And modalism. It's been a while since I've had to go through this because some modalists say this is accurate.
Some modalists I've talked to say this is not accurate. Some oneness when I get this will say it's accurate. And I've had other people oneness tell me it's not accurate. It's difficult to get it exact.
When you have people who adhere to these tell you different things but they're close to each other. So I'll do the best I can. Modal monarchism monarchy monarchy one one God one being one person in different modes and usually this goes with time.
So in the Old Testament for example the Old Testament God was the father. In the New Testament he's the son and now he's the Holy Spirit. That's basically what modal monarchism teaches that there's a sequence of the father son and Holy Spirit.
This is easily refutable. I know how to do that very easily. So back in early 90s I was in Anaheim and there was a Oneness Pentecostal convention and I talked to five pastors and I had these five around and I gave them an argument against this view that I said the father became the son who then became the Holy Spirit.
Right. And all five of these Oneness pastors said that's correct. Now I pat myself on the back here a little bit. I don't know if this is what happened. I don't know why. I don't know what but maybe my discussion with them forced them to face some stuff when they changed.
And I'm not trying to be grandiose but this is what I'd always heard was what was going on here and there were hundreds of these pastors here the plurality study. I'll explain really quickly how to refute that God the father cannot be seen.
John 6 46 they see God in the Old Testament. I got all these verses memorized. I can quote them to them. So I'll show them in the Old Testament what he's seen. But John 6 46 he can't be seen. 1 Timothy 6 16 is not the father but it had to be the father if that was the mode in the Old Testament.
But since Jesus says it can't be the father it has to be the son. That means the son has to be alive at the same time as the father which means modal monarchism is now false. This is super short version.
I just gave you. That's what I presented to them over several minutes because I got the verses they had the Bibles. We looked I showed them and two of the guys left they just literally they just walked off and I think it was three of the guys stayed and they went through this some more and they said we can see why you're Trinitarian.
I said can you answer it. They said we'll have to study that. They couldn't answer it. This falsified what they said. It showed what they said was false. Within a few years later I was talking to oneness people and I was using this assumption and they started saying no it's not true.
Is it. Because of that argument the pastors heard this and they changed. I don't know. I'm not trying to say look what I did. I have no clue. It's just that when I was studying this is what oneness was back when I was studying it early on and then it seemed to change.
Whatever. What do they teach now. Well the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are all manifestations of the one person. They can be simultaneous in that they can happen in the same time for example the Old Testament Jesus incarnation time.
And now and that I hope I'm not misrepresenting them because I'm never intending to do that. But it might be that I am but of course not intentionally. And so I'm just trying to tell you what I've learned what they've told me so far change color chalk here a little bit.
And so what I've heard them say is well he appears as the Father in the Old Testament but he's also still the Son. And it's not that he's only in the form of the Father here but he could be this or this here as well.
And I said to them so you're Trinitarian and they'll say no I'm not Trinitarian. We don't believe in three separate persons. So I said well do you believe in one person. And so the only difference instead of it over a period of time the Father became the Son and became the Holy Spirit.
The modes are simultaneous but there's only one person. How do they answer Jesus baptism. He doesn't have a good one because there is no good one. They can't answer that. They can't because you have a simultaneous manifestation of the baptism of Jesus.
Where Jesus is there the Holy Spirit comes down and the Father speaks. And so that's a problem for them. And so it's such a problem. I've not heard any good competent response so I can't even tell you what they are.
That's how bad it is. It's bad. But there's another problem because of this the issue of the incarnation becomes a risk because what they have to have basically Jesus says not my will but your will be done.
Luke 22 42 he's praying to the Father. I asked him I just talked to this guy on the radio a few days ago the guy was really irritating really annoying. And I said who is he praying to. And he said he's praying to the Divine.
This is pretty typical what he said. Wait a minute and I had to get things out. So he's saying the flesh is praying to the Spirit. Yes he finally admitted that. So it's called Nestorianism. And the one body of Christ are two persons a person of the flesh and a person of the Divine.
And they're praying to each other talking to each other which is a denial of the incarnation. Yeah that was another issue I could have gone into but he was so difficult to talk to. It was difficult for me to have a normal conversation with the guy.
The reason I let him stay on so long was because he was demonstrating how difficult his behavior can be. He made his whole group look bad. Fine for me. Hebrews 7 .12 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
Matthew 5 .17 he came to fulfill it and so he fulfilled that law. Now what aspects of the law are done away with with the arrival of the Messiah and his death at the new covenant. That's the question and we don't really have time to get into it.
It's something that I would have to prepare because I don't have all that memorized. But those are the questions you have to ask now. That's basically suspicious of what kind of person this is. What group he belongs to.
Because generally those who hold to that are hyper-dispensationalists. And some are in the willful sinful cult. Some are mid-act dispensationalists. So there are different groups that have different reasons for asking the same question.
So that's why I will then want to say what group are you from. Because then I can cater my answers to them specifically. So anyway alright it's 10 o 'clock here we should get going. I know people got to go to work and stuff like I don't I just get up and work whenever I feel like it.
So we'll just kind of cut it out now so you can shut that down whenever you want. Thanks guys we'll be doing this on a weekly basis. I hope you guys like it. Email me let me know if you like me doing this we're thinking about rearranging how we're going to be doing it and some other stuff.
Maybe with Patreon and some other things. Having some sessions where I just answer questions people just they do that. We're trying to get more funds coming in to the ministry and some other aspects. Because we really need that.
What? Church of Christ. Yeah. Basically a cult. Yeah. Church of Christ baptismal regeneration. They'll say no we can have a discussion with them go to the web go to YouTube and look up my debate in the guys house with Kernan.
I think his name was our discussion. Ok. What? Ok. No sweat get out of the CC. Ok. Thanks.