Analyzing Trump Assassination Attempt W/SEAL Team 6 Operator

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So what were you doing when the assassination attempt happened?

Celebrating my firstborn's birthday. So we were having a pool party in the backyard, and someone was on their phone out by the pool, and they were like, did you hear what's going on right now? And so I was like, wow, that's crazy, but we kept swimming and eating pizza, and then afterwards, I was like, oh, wow, this is, because of the internet, it was just going crazy.

So I was, well, let's go ahead and bring, let's bring our guest in and talk about where we were and sort of our first thoughts. So very good friend of ours, a man I have a high regard for and a lot of respect for.

He is a legendary Navy SEAL. He is well-known in this whole field of, well, if you're a guy and you want to learn how to shoot a weapon, and you want to learn how to defend your family, and this whole realm of self-defense and defense of a nation, all that stuff, everyone knows who Bill Rapier is.

He was a DEVGRU operator that's essentially SEAL Team 6, and he's been involved in some very, very important missions and really well-known in the community. And so we have today to examine the attempted assassination footage we have with us, Bill Rapier.

Bill, welcome to Apology Radio, brother. Good afternoon. Thank you guys for having me on. Absolutely. Absolutely. So where were you when you found out, what was going on with you when you heard about the assassination attempt?

I was in an airplane, probably, I don't know, 25K or so. We were just about to start descending into Spokane, and the guy in front of me had it on his screen. Of course, it was CNN, so it was just like, and I was reading the captions below, and it was saying that there was a loud noise and the president was, or the former president was rushed off the stage.

He fell. And so, yeah, I pretty quickly switched the screen over to Fox News and was like, wow,.

This is monumental right now. It really was. I was actually coming back from much-needed rest with my family, coming back from California. We were driving through the desert, and I had seen the live feed of his rally come up, and I was just interested, because I want to just be in the know of what's going on right now in the political realm so we can respond to some stuff.

And so I click on it, I'm just driving, and I got a little bored a couple minutes in, and I just turned it to a worship song or something like that, and then immediately started getting messages. So I had just missed it live.

And so as we're driving, continuing to drive through the desert, Fox News is replaying the famous footage that everyone's seen, where you can even hear him saying, let me get my shoes, let me get my shoes.

And the thing my wife and I kept saying was like, this doesn't make any sense. Why are even the reporters not understanding what's clearly in front of us? These are gunshots. And even the person we were listening to on Fox News was like, loud noises.

And you could hear the Secret Service agents saying, shooter down, shooter down, shooter down. And they kept asking for an hour. They didn't know what actually had happened. And I was like, isn't it obvious?

We all know what we're witnessing and the sounds that we're hearing and all these things.

There's certainly gunshots, and there's certainly blood on his face. And they're saying, shooter down. And so that's how I got into it. And obviously, for all of us, these sorts of things allow for so many theories of negligence or some nefarious motives.

Someone's involved. People say conspiracy theory. So much went wrong that day. Let's just all admit, so much went wrong that day. It just allows a feast of questions. Endless speculation. And scenarios and speculation.

And of course, we do have a long history in this nation of a corrupt government system and the CIA murdering people. That's on record. And that can't be denied. And there are people who have done some bad things in government agencies and things you would think would never be done.

And they've been done. And it's been proven that they've been done.

I think the only thing that surprises me is that it didn't happen sooner.

Yeah, I mean, so, look, my personal view, I'll just put it on the table right away, is I think it's just pure negligence. And I think it was mostly that. I'm not saying there's not some nefarious thing going on.

I'm not even saying that. I'm saying as a Christian who believes in the law of God, who has the standards of evidence and witness, I can't go there yet and make accusations of, you know, this person was involved or this agency was involved.

Until there's enough evidence presented as a Christian, according to the law of God, I can't make those claims. All I can say right now is the thing I can see the most is like, this is just absolutely, undeniably crazy that this happened.

So, Bill, I'm going to toss this to you for your initial thoughts. But what I was saying when I first saw it and I came in and told the guys this, I was like, look, this isn't my arena. It's not my field.

Like, I'm a martial artist, for sure. That's my whole life, martial arts and combat and all that stuff. And so, like, if I was in the realm of like, you know, hand to hand tactics and those sorts of things, I feel very comfortable arguing in that realm and talking through like failures and all that stuff.

But this is not my field in terms of like presidential protection and snipers and like, you know, where you're supposed to be and security and all that stuff. Perimeters is not my field. But I did say this, Bill.

I said this. I said, if you gave me 48 hours on that field and said, hey, it's up to you to make this work, bro. Like, you got to here's your team. You got to make this work. I absolutely 100 guarantee you I would have had that building covered for sure.

It would have been like one thing I would have been like, well, you have to at least have these things covered. Yeah. He had one job. Yeah. And I don't even know what I'm doing. That's not my arena. I'm ignorant in that arena.

So, Bill, I'll kick it over to you. Your first thoughts.

Yeah. So, I mean, just right away to dispel, I don't think it was some sort of crazy conspiracy. Yes, bad things do happen sometimes, but, you know, nefarious things happen. But it's just it's pretty hard to keep secrets these days.

And so I don't like my my initial take is it as it is not that I think it's a, you know, troubled, angry young man that has been, you know, unfortunately fed a bunch of lies from the world and and thought that this would be a good use of his life to try and, you know, kill the president, which is, you know, super sad that that, you know, that that that's the point that he came to, that that's what he thought he should spend his life on.

But I mean, the obvious thing is just the massive, massive failure on on the side of the Secret Service. I mean, that is you don't have to be a master tactician to realize that, hey, you should probably control every piece of high ground within within line of sight of where the president or the former president is going to be.

That that does not take a graduate level in tactics to be able to do that. And that was, you know, that was missed or or just brushed over. So that would be the first. The first one is just like a huge, huge mistake there.

And then the next one would be comms, I would say, just the fact that so many people were I mean, and a lot of this stuff we're not going to know exactly, you know, it's going to take several more months to flesh out as far as like what happened at exactly what time and who was aware of it at exactly what time.

So, again, I don't want to make you know, I don't want to be too harsh on people beforehand. But I mean, that's pretty bad when you have, you know, just rally attendees that are waving their arms and yelling that there's a dude with a rifle climbing on the roof.

And they're videoing him. I mean, that's the fact that that was not, you know, make that information wasn't being disseminated, I would say, is another, you know, massive, massive fail right there.

Absolutely. So let's do this. Let's let's start to examine some of the footage. And we pull together some great clips for everybody. So I think you're really you could really enjoy this particular episode of Apology Radio.

Let's take a look at the famous footage that we've all seen of. I think this is the main shot. I think maybe it came from Fox News. Let's take a look. Here we go. Describe it.

Here's the here's the video. If you want to really see something that said, take a look what happened.

I have to say also that the photo is undeniably awesome.

However, you feel about Trump, you could not have gotten a better picture. No, no.

However, you feel about him and kudos to that photographer for like being right there and I know I'm catching a moment here. This is this is my my arena. I got to get this shot, man. That's incredible.

It's a beautiful shot. It really speaks to a lot. It's very symbolic. And again, no matter how you feel about Trump, the man, someone tried to murder him. It just narrowly missed him by an inch. If he had just if he hadn't turned his head to that one.

Oh, that's the most remarkable thing to me about this whole thing is the providence of God. Providence of God right there. It is providential.

Just just that just a look at the screen at that moment. And, you know, a lot of guys, a lot of really solid theologians and pastors and things have been saying this. I think it needs to be said as we go into the next part of the footage here that, you know, a lot of people are saying what saying like God really intervened there.

God intervened like God, you know, God stepped down. Yeah, I've seen that. And it's it's it's not accurate in terms of like biblical theology and like what the Bible says about God's sovereignty. God says he declares the end from the beginning and God is fully sovereign over all things.

And so there are no there's no happy accidents.

No maverick molecules, no maverick bullets.

God doesn't step down to intervene like, oops, let me fix this. Something bad is about to happen and I got to really intervene. God decrees what does and doesn't happen in his universe. And it's all for his purposes and for his glory.

So before the foundation of the world, God had already decreed that moment of providence exactly as it went down. God's not reacting. My point is, is God, the God of the Bible is not reacting to things in space and time.

God has a decree that he's fulfilling in history. He's carrying the universe along to its intended destination. That's Hebrews chapter one.

In this case, the king's head was like water in his hands. He turns it where he wills.

Just think about how every day, all of life, like people have referred to things like the butterfly effect. Like you just go look at the butterfly effect and the smallest flap of the wings of the butterfly, the kind of impact that it has in the environment, the world, all of life, all of life is on a razor's edge.

One move to the left, one move to the right changes the course of history, changes the course of history. Like for example, in my life, what I often say is regarding this whole thing in terms of like life being on a razor's edge is, I love this story.

My father was in the Air Force. He was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas, Nevada. And he was at the casino with a bunch of other GIs, young guy. And he decides he's had enough being at the table he was at.

And so he wants to go outside for some fresh air. And so he happens at that moment to get tired of being at the table and decides to walk out the door. And as he walks out the door, this young, beautiful looking redhead is walking through the door past him.

And he stops and looks at her and she starts to pass him and he starts to go back the other direction to go outside. And then something in him gave him the courage to turn around and tap her on the shoulder and start talking to her.

Didn't know her from anybody, but he had the courage in that moment and interested enough to talk to her. And which led to me, which led to all this ministry and all the things that have happened. Think about the butterfly effect and the things that have to be ordained.

Like, you know, it's not because of me. It's because of the grace of God and what he's done in my life and our lives. But this ministry itself has saved tens of thousands of babies from death. But if my dad did not, in that moment, have the courage or interest to turn around and tap this girl on the shoulder and say something to her, well, then I don't exist.

This ministry wouldn't exist. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, everything matters. And so my point is, is providence is a beautiful thing. And if you watch that video and you see his head at that exact moment, turn to look at the screen and then zoop right through the ear.

God wants that man alive for some reason. For whatever reason. At least at this moment in time. At least till right now. Yeah. Till the next attempt. Yeah.

So providence is important. And God is sovereign. He's not reacting to things. He is sovereign over every detail. Okay. So this, I want to play this just briefly. It's, many of you guys have already seen this.

Oh, I didn't do this. Okay. Sorry. I'm sorry, guys. You know how much I hate Apple computers. Apple's dumb, guys. Making a lot of people in the feed mad right now. Apple's really dumb. Blaming the tools.

Blaming the tools. Okay. Enter full screen. There you go. That's what I asked for the first time. I don't know what's wrong with you, Apple. Why can't you just be like other services and just let me push a button.

Anyway, so this is going to be really important. This is what I'm going to talk to you, Bill, about. This, you will, you're going to hear, Bill, the moment of the speech connected to another person's cell phone where they're over where this is taking place.

Actually, let me see here. This is, let's see, that's a.

And guys, I wasn't getting the audio or video on that last one.

Oh, you weren't. Hey, Gabe, can you make sure it gets the audio and video for this one? We're going to blame Gabe. We're going to blame Gabe for that for sure. He must be using Apple. It's for sure Apple.

That's what's going on. It's all bad. All bad. Is anything Apple good? I'm making a lot of people mad right now. I'm making a lot of people mad right now. All right. Here we go. This is what I was looking for.

All right. So I pulled that up. Let's see if Apple will let me. There you go. Good job, Apple. Thanks to Bill Gates. All right, here we go. So let's play this. This is plenty of time and opportunity to eliminate the threat.

Yeah, someone's on top of the roof. Look, there he is right there. Right there, see him? He's laying down. He's laying down. What's happening? Yeah, look. There he is. And it's much tougher than it is.

So you can see, Bill,.

I'm not sure if you're catching the audio yet, but if not, you can see we're a minute 15 into those two videos synced up. And you've got people on the ground over literally watching this guy like an inchworm.

Onlookers trying to get the police attention. Yeah, people seeing him with a rifle on the roof, doing like an inchworm thing, like crawling towards to get a good shot towards President Trump and trying to notify officers.

He's on the roof. I would think, Bill, at that moment, because you mentioned comms, that would have been the moment where you like, there's a man on the roof with a rifle, like all things should have shut down immediately, correct?

Absolutely.

That should have gone from, even if the local officers did not have the secret security, their frequencies, their bosses should have had it, like some sort of command network. And that should at max have taken, you know, 10 to 15 seconds of just a local officer getting on the radio saying, we've got a guy with a rifle on the roof.

And as soon as that would have come out to secret service, they should have immediately pulled the president or the former president off because you just can't have, I mean, rifles are very, very good tools, right?

You can put projectiles very far, you know, with them if you know what you're doing. And I mean, again, you know, just the fact that that guy didn't miss, absolutely God's providence, because that was not, you know, that 130 yards, you know, with a rifle is not a hard shot to make right there.

You say it's not a hard shot to make, there's been all kinds of talk on, you know, I'm not sure how much is true or not, but in terms of Thomas Crooks, the murderer, because he did murder somebody and attempted to murder the former president, he injured others, not having the proper skill level with a rifle.

But like, talk about that, the 130 yards is,.

How easy a shot is that if you had like, say an hour or two hours to train? Yeah, I mean, I could take your kids and teach them how to do that. And, you know, an hour or two of just rifle fundamentals is not very hard to be able to, I mean, the standard for like actual sniper work is one minute of angle, which would be an inch at 100 yards.

And it's just not, if you can actually get supported, it's not that hard to do that, which that dude had a, you know, the murderer had a, he had the, you know, the top of the roof right there. So he could have shot supported if he would have, you know, trained for it properly.

Right. So again, just the fact that he, you know, didn't hit it, I didn't hit the former president. I think, again, just speaks volumes to, you know, God's providence and this guy's ineptitude. Right, right.

Well, that's also one of the things, Bill, I think you and I would agree on this. When people are talking about, you know, there's some nefarious things going on here, maybe somebody on the inside or people that are plotting this, you know, at very high levels to take out the former president.

That I'm very suspicious based upon the person who did it and his abilities. Like I would think if, I would think that if you were going to be at a very high level doing some kind of dark dealings like this, you'd probably pick a better shooter.

Right. Somebody did it, you know, rather well or was good at what they did. You would think you'd hire the best of the best to do your dirty work for you. This is a 20-year-old kid, couldn't shoot really well, is doing everything wide out in the open.

He's not secret. He's being seen by everybody. He doesn't know what he's doing. And that's why I'm suspicious when someone says, like, I think it was inside job and all these things. I'm very suspicious about that.

I think it's just an absolute, complete blowout of what people should know, obviously. And Bill, what does that speak to when you talk about 130 yards shot from on top of the roof in terms of if you were running security for this thing as someone with your skills and your background as a Navy SEAL, if you were running security, like, isn't that 130 yards, something that would just be obvious on the face of it?

It's 130 yards. If somebody gets up there, it's an easy shot. It's a direct line. Like, isn't that the most obvious thing?

It is. That's why this whole thing is so embarrassing because, I mean, that is basic, basic day one stuff. If you're doing a security detail is that, where could a shooter station himself? And this wasn't even a hard one.

I mean, like what counter snipers are supposed to look for would be a loophole, potentially a four or six inch loophole in the roof. And then the guy's hidden back in a shadow. Like that's what counter snipers are supposed to actually be looking for.

The fact that a guy just brought a ladder, there was a ladder there. He climbs up on the side of the roof with a rifle and just starts inchworming his way across. It's just absolutely insane that they weren't seeing that.

Well, let's talk about that for a second, Bill,.

Because that would be an interesting conversation. When you talk about someone with sniper training, specific sniper training, you're talking about, like I've heard a lot of really great stories of guys that had to go through sniper training as Navy SEALs, that kind of like highly specialized training and having to stalk, learn to stalk properly and get a shot off without being seen in a certain space, having to use shadows and all that stuff.

Obviously, I don't know this realm, but like a trained sniper, someone that's like special ops, they know what they're doing and maybe they're on the special, sorry, I almost said special forces. Secret service.

Secret service. Like you'd mentioned, like they're supposed to be looking like for something that's like specialized. Like if there's a real good shooter out there, they're going to be trying to do this.

We're not talking about like mall security. The elite defenders. 130 yards away.

It's a kid on top of a roof. It's right there. Like it should be the most obvious thing, correct? It should be. Yeah, that's the problem.

I mean, that's why this, I mean, I think this is going to go down. I mean, for years, this will be studied as, you know, a massive, massive failure. I mean, like good on the guy for dumping the, you know, the murder, you know, eventually.

But yeah, I think it's going to be looked at as just a massive institutional failure.

Can I ask you a question? It is about the issue with the sniper and the person, the sniper who took the murder out. You've seen that footage, correct? Of the sniper? I have. Okay. Yes. So one of the things that I was curious about, and we'll play the footage here in a second.

I would think as a trained sniper, you have to be ready for moments like that. And you train for moments like that to get shocked and maybe even scared for a second. It looked like, and look, I may be dogging on him in a way I shouldn't be, but I would think as someone who's actually specializing in this field and is a trained sniper, it looked like as soon as that shot went off, like he lost everything.

His gun shot to the sky almost, and he had to rebrace it, and his gun flopped around. Does that say anything in terms of his training? Like, I mean, or what? Yes.

And again, like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be too hard on the guy. Like, I don't know what was going through his mind. I don't know which, I mean, it looked to me like he was actually looking at where the guy was.

And I haven't read anything from him. Like, I don't know exactly what was going through his head, but it looked to me like he was on glass, right, looking through his scope. And then it looked like he looked over the top, like right, you know, over the top of his glass right beforehand, which is a common thing.

You'll see guys do that for real, where they're, you know, they're looking at something. Maybe they're, you know, maybe they want to see a bigger picture or they don't actually believe what's going on.

So he's looking over the top of his glass. And then the shots rang out and he kind of ducks a little bit, which again is not, you know, it's fight or flight. There is some human nature involved right there.

Like it is, you know, it took him, it looked like about a second or so to compose himself where he was like, he, you know, reacted, like came off for a second and then good on the guy. He recognized that, hey, I have a job to do.

And he got on glass and he finished his job at that point. Right. Yeah, it would have been, I mean, and again, without, until we actually know from a debrief, you know, after all the investigations are over, like what did this guy see?

Did he actually see the guy with the rifle? Or, you know, I think if he was doing that, but then again, like, you know, I want to say negligence, but again, like I don't know what their rules of engagement are.

You know, you know, within that. And so he, maybe he was hamstrung for that. I don't see how you could possibly, you know, that what we call LLT, logical order of thought does not play out. You cannot let someone else shoot first.

If your job is to protect the former president or the president of the United States, you, you, you know, it has to go because you can't, you can't stop it. It's like to go the martial arts route. If I'm inside of your reactionary gap, right?

If I can touch you at will, I can also punch you at will. The only way to stop that is to either create distance or to do something first. So with a rifle, you know, he's, if he has his rifle lined up and he's laid in on the former president, like you have to stop him now.

Yeah. The only difference, you know, the, the, your own, you're counting on him to miss if you're going to wait for the other guy to go first, which unfortunately is what, is what happened here. So yeah, hopefully they sort this stuff out.

And cause I mean, it's, it's really, it's just embarrassing on a, on a national level that, that are, cause I mean, the secret service guys that I've worked with have been highly professional dudes, very, very like in shape, very serious guys, take their job very seriously, you know, so it's just, it's embarrassing when guys do this and every department, you know, you know, like my former organization is not exempt from, from having its own embarrassments, right?

It's own failures and mistakes. So like, I get it. This does happen sometimes. I just hope that we can fix it on an institutional level and, and really solidify and disseminate these lessons learned so that this does not ever happen again.

But thinking as Christians.

In logical and moral orders, when you describe a scenario where you're a sniper, you're tasked, you're obligated to protect the life, preserve the life of the former president. You've got the guy on glass.

Let's imagine he did see him on glass. He saw that the guy was a threat, even with, you know, particular rules of engagement, his duty, he's duty bound to protect the life, preserve the life of the former president.

So if you had that guy on glass like that, you, you're obviously, you have to take them out. You have to take them out first. Yeah, I mean, yes. But even, even when it comes to rules of engagement, you know, I have to have permission or someone has to say something to me in terms of comms or whatever.

You got a guy with a gun pointed in a direct line towards the former president, 130, 130 yard shot, easy shot to make. And, and if there, if there was knowledge ahead of time through glass, I got a shooter on the roof.

He's right there. He's got a gun aimed, like essentially the moral responsibility from a Christian perspective is to respond immediately. Strike first, protect and preserve human life. Absolutely. No mercy.

There's no way.

And, and, and, yeah, oh man, I love Bill. I didn't know.

I didn't know. Cobra Kai book of Bubba chapter three. Yeah. No mercy. Nice pickup. No, but you, you, you have to, you have to do that. I mean, you just think about, even when you go to like.

Basic law enforcement stuff, what is a cop going to do? If you're pointing a gun at, at, at the police officer, right? He's going to pull his pistol out and shoot you. You know, if you're doing that, I mean, and this is, there is a significantly lower bar for, you know, the president or the former president of the United States.

Right. That's exactly right. That's kind of related to one. I wanted to ask your opinion about Bill, like how much of this is owing to a quality assurance issue? Like we know that even the secret service isn't exempt from things like DEI hiring.

Apparently, you know, they're looking to integrate a certain number of employees being a certain gender. And so how much of this is owing to kind of a lack of, of quality control? Because, you know, you look at the footage and you see, number one, the women there, but number two,.