Melissa Etheridge and the Lesbian Family

2 Timothy 2:15 and the Call to Rightly Divide the Word of Truth

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Melissa Etheridge, David Crosby, and the New American Family

It's interesting that the someone out there doesn't want to discuss this particular subject, I'm not sure Who that would be but somebody doesn't want us to address the subject that's probably surprised a few folks.

And that is I have in front of me the brand-new edition of Rolling Stone Magazine now before anybody gets too Too excited. No, I do not generally pick up the current copy of Rolling Stone magazine. But it is my habit to catch the morning news programs as we're having breakfast and getting people ready for the various duties of the day and This past week.

I watched with growing amazement an interview by Matt Lauer or as Rush Limbaugh puts it Matt Lauer and he had a little reporter at from Rolling Stone on the Today show by the name of Jancy Dunn and they were talking about the the great secret of Melissa Etheridge and I will admit I am somewhat ignorant of the The scene in rock and roll music.

I had heard the name and now that I've seen the face I've seen Pictures of this person on television, whatever it might be and it took me quite some time to figure out exactly What was being discussed?

I did not understand at first What was being talked about but? Matt Lauer was asking Jancy Dunn about a new article that had just appeared in the newest edition of Rolling Stone that she had written. And it was about Melissa Etheridge's children and I thought okay.

We all know that Hollywood is a rather strange place. So what are they talking about? And well the great mystery over who the children's father was. Hmm. All right, I Guess that's been going on for a long long time and I started to realize there's something more Going on here.

There was something more that was being said that I didn't really quite fully understand. Until finally it struck me that what they were saying is that Melissa Etheridge is gay. And in fact, she lives very openly with a woman named Julie Cypher.

So this is a lesbian couple Melissa Etheridge and Julie Cypher and they have children and I couldn't tell I assumed from the interview that Melissa Etheridge was the one who gave birth to the children.

But I discovered by reading the article that it was not Melissa Etheridge it was Julie Cypher who gave birth to two children so far a boy and a girl. The girl is about three years old and the boy is about a year old now.

And I guess it has been a big mystery as to who the biological father was. Since they're both lesbians and this was done by artificial insemination. Well, I'm sitting here and getting iller and iller as if if iller is a word more and more ill I guess is the way to put it so all the time amazed at what is being said and Become even more amazed when they announced that the father of these two children of a lesbian couple is In fact David Crosby of Crosby, Steele, Stills and Nash and that he's 58 years of age a well-known rocker from a previous generation and What truly blew me away as I sat here listening to this is I could not help but recall only a year ago When the Matthew Shepard incident took place that you had all of these folks from the liberal media talking about how morally outrageous the Christian people are and how Christian people are responsible for this killing of Matthew Shepard and all the rest of the stuff because of their hate speech and everything else.

But the entire discussion with this Jancy Dunn Matt Lauer does not say a word About morality about right or wrong. In fact, the whole idea is isn't this wonderful? I mean David Crosby's a musician and Melissa Etheridge is a musician and isn't it?

Wonderful that that this new type of family is developing and I could not believe my eyes and my ears. It was really an incredible example of what is going on in our society. And so thankfully just today Some friends of mine picked up the Rolling Stone magazine for me all over the places I had gone had the earlier edition the January edition.

This is the February edition and the article is entitled the name of the father and the making of a new American family. The name of the father and the making of a new American family. Here is the picture of the new American family.

In fact right next to this is a big it takes over a full page. One one half of a page and part of the next page picture of Melissa Etheridge David Crosby Julie Seifer and then David Crosby's wife named Jan Crosby.

David Crosby is married even while he is providing the raw materials for babies with lesbian couples. What a wonderful wonderful picture of an American family. And the more I read in the article the more absolutely amazed I became at the obvious fact that it is the specific purpose of these individuals.

To promote the idea that this is absolutely positively Normal and in fact it is a sign of a society growing not a society decaying. The decay of society from their perspective would have been really not that side.

It can't decay the dark ages would have been back in the day of father and mother and Christian values and so on and so forth. The society from their perspective is growing and getting better. Just a few things from the article here to give you an idea in the second page.

There's a full color picture of the lesbian couple. Cuddling together. It's truly exciting and then you have. For example the question was asked well, why reveal this now it's been three years the daughter is almost three years old now and One of the things that is said is keeping this big secret goes against how we are choosing to live our lives very openly.

They are very openly lesbians, and they want to prove to everyone else that this is something that's wonderful besides that Bailey the three-year-old daughter was starting to ask. Was starting to ask.

Do I have a daddy. In fact later on it says four or five months ago? When she was two and a half Bailey said do I have a daddy. I said well yes, you do. Pause. Well, who is he. I said you know our friend David with the funny mustache.

Satisfied Bailey moved on to the next subject and relieved so did cipher that is what says in the article. So here you have a little three-year-old asking do I have a daddy? All through the article it talks about her mother's it describes both women as the mothers of This child so here you have a child who?

Has to recognize that you know what? Everybody else has a mommy to daddy and I have two mommies so do I have a daddy and two mommies? What? Incredible. Depravity. What an incredibly here in our society all the time these days about oh Let's do this for the children.

We need to do this for the children. Well. What about the children here? Where is the absolute moral outrage at the at the way that these children are being treated? Oh, they've got everything they have loving parents in fact at the end of the of the entire article Etheridge says the following.

I know that because of the procreation of our species. That it was man and woman, and that's the way it was all built she says. But two loving parents, that's all a kid needs two men two women a man a woman whatever.

It's amazing what loving parents can do. Cypher and Etheridge are hopeful that when their children grow up. They will not be made to feel different. Society's growing by leaps and bounds. Says cypher in both the gay thing and also having children without the traditional mother and father role.

There are single women going to sperm banks lesbians going to sperm banks gay guys going to surrogates and this is the growth of Society. Make sure you understand it from these folks perspective. This is the growth of Society.

What kind of what kind of parenting then is such a new? American family the 21st century American family going to provide. Well while they're showing the reporter at from Rolling Stone through their home.

We read this as for the dog photos quote. Bruce Springsteen once gave me the best Parenting advice says cypher. He said you know all of a sudden your dogs are just going to be dogs end quote. Yeah, I want my kids raised by someone who depends upon Bruce Springsteen for parenting advice and I am really impressed with someone who thinks that Bruce Springsteen can give parenting advice and You wonder what the next generation is going to be like when this kind of thing is considered to be normative.

It's incredible. They even described how it was that they got together with David Crosby and this issue came up. And they said as the group chattered the subject of children came up and Etheridge and cypher mentioned their dilemma.

Listen to this eggs they had. Sperm was another matter. People don't realize why it's so important to view that we are Creatures of God that we are his creation that he has the right to tell us What is right and wrong behavior.

People don't understand why the evolution issue is so vitally important. And why it is that people Christian people have been saying for generations now that when you have a society that is constantly exposed To the humanistic perspective that reduces man to a mere animal that that society cannot long last.

Now you see here is a glaring example. You see children are just the results of egg and sperm nothing more. There's nothing about family. There's nothing about the special Relationship that exists between a husband and a wife and their children the roles of father and mother or anything like that.

This is simply a matter of biology and for some reason they decided that they wanted to have little chillin's and so now that we Have the technology to do it. They just decide to go out and do it and show how wonderful it is.

It is absolutely Incredible. A few questions were asked of them for example. What do the kids call you? Etheridge says I am mama. Julie is mama mama and mama. That's what they've got. And then I found out that it was cipher that had the baby.

I was decided that she should carry the babies because of Etheridge's work. You know she has to be out there singing for three hours a night in these concerts. I was more the homebody so to speak cipher says and I'm a health nut a fanatic.

So I was really good at making babies. Isn't that wonderful? They do talk about those who sometimes have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that this can work. I guess that's another way of saying that if you just understood it you'd agree with it and accept it.

The idea that it is morally Utterly disgusting is not even mentioned. They ask about their family and friends. Oh, they think it's just they're cool about it their grandkids says cipher with a laugh. They don't care how they get them.

They just want them my goodness. Well, you even talk about David Crosby in this particular situation and things that he says. Unfortunately, I have to delete about every fourth word of his language In talking about him.

He's 58 years old. He's already had a liver transplant to save his life because he fried the first one. Says Patriot. Crosby now heads up a clan that includes Django for a granddaughter who was two months a daughter who was 24 and a son now 35 whom Crosby knew nothing about until 1994.

There is the paragon of virtue. Then when he talks about Melissa and Julie the lesbian couple, he says nice set of values. They're funnier than bleep and they've got courage all rare stuff. You can see that they were in love with each other and they said something like when you start talking about egg donors or adoption.

Or sperm donors somebody very often goes. Oh lesbians. Wait a minute. Let me back up and they start to get weird. They start to get weird. So in other words Believing that children deserve to have a father and a mother is starting to get weird.

The whole thing is very very weird. Crosby was also happy to oblige so that true to his roots. Listen to this. He could affect social change. He could affect social change. Going to quoting Crosby. It says you've got two powerful women immensely bright immensely capable with every resource at their command.

And it was as hard and and it was as hard as it was for them says Crosby. Then imagine lonely frustrated people out there in the world with no resources. No one to help them afraid to lose their job if they even admit they're gay let alone that they want to have a gay family.

Maybe it's a good thing for a lot of straight families to see that this is not something strange. He smiles. I think everyone will understand. It could be except maybe the Christian coalition in the far right wing.

But I mean, I always wanted to be on the Nixon enemies list and I missed it. So if I bleep off these people, it's fine with me. He and Jan cackle at the thought. Why has he done this? Why has he done this?

Well, he says it so he can affect social change. No, he's done this to express his absolute hatred of God and God's moral law. That's why he's done this which is also sadly why Etheridge and cipher have done the same thing.

Crosby says now I want to try very hard to be a good human being. For a lot of reasons. Emotions toward Bailey the little boy. If you know in due time at a distance, they're proud of who their genetic dad is.

That's great. Not that Crosby isn't a proud well bio Papa. You know how an artist's art is a window into their soul he says well people's kids are a window into theirs. He glances at the kids look at him.

Are they happy healthy? They live in a great home. He throws up his hands. I rest my bleep in case he us. Ah. Yes, deep deep thought from David Crosby in regards to this particular issue. Julie cipher instant interestingly enough 35 filmmaker was once the wife of Lou Diamond Phillips and Has this brilliant thoughts about herself?

She says I'm more than just the golden uterus, you know. She says raising an eyebrow. She's also busily teaching Bailey how to meditate. Nothing like having mixing in a little Eastern religion for the fun of it in the process.

It is an incredible thing and I've only looked at a portion of what I marked that I could share the making of a new American family two lesbians a man married to another woman who becomes the father of the children born by one of the two lesbians and People tell us that well, you know.

You Christians are out of touch you Christians don't have anything to say to the world anymore and Yet does not the scripture directly address every one of these issues. We see around us the most incredible examples of depravity and folks you've got to realize something.

Sodom and Gomorrah didn't go south overnight. Those nation those city-states actually did not become a stench in the nostril of God. Over the course of a day or a week or a month. They became a stench in the nostril of God because over time Worsening and worsening behavior was accepted as the norm and when you see these things and You see him again, and then again, and it's pushed in your face over and over and over again.

Eventually the conscience becomes burned. It's burned out scabbed over and We no longer see the depravity of this kind of behavior. That's where our society is going in the 21st century and Yet in the first century we were told very very clearly That this is the mark of depravity.

There is the women who exchange the natural function for that which is unnatural. That's lesbianism and All sorts of other sins the which end in Romans 132 with these words and although they know the ordinance of God.

That those who practice such things are worthy of death. They not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. That's what's going on here. It is the desire of the enemies of our culture and they are in fact the enemies of God as well.

Our culture isn't God. I mean our culture is is Obviously not a a godly culture today. And the issue is not so much our culture as it is God's law that at least initially had a great impact on the forming of our nation in our culture.

But these folks want to change our culture because they hate the influence the God's law has always had. They hate the fact that the American society was built upon a family a Father a mother and the foundation that is provided there they want to change that and they are doing so using the millions of dollars that is available to them as Entertainers the almost unlimited Resources of the media and everything else.

Well, I'd like to hear from you what you have to say. I'm not sure if I'll be able to hear you, but we can take a shot at it. One triple eight five five zero thirteen sixty and I'm just going to take I believe it's 602 274 1360 I believe it's the prop for phone numbers there.

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So even busy out here, but joining with you by phone along with Rich Pierce. So why don't you give us a call and get online?

Homosexuality, Objective Morality, and the Assault on the Family

We're gonna take a brief break and be right back back with the dividing line today. James White is ministering to us from San Antonio, Texas. He is on our VIP line. My name is Rich Pearson. I'm sitting in Studio for James kind of working all the the buttons and the phones and the whole nine yards and James I just want to let you know as a programming note that we were we did start a couple minutes late on the show today.

And so it's 233 now and we're gonna go to three sharp. Ending your comments today. So is that okay with you? Works for me. Okay. And we do have Martin from England on line one if you'd like to get started or if you have more to say go ahead.

Sure, let's talk to Martin. Martin England, are you there? I am. How are you today? I'm very well indeed. Happy New Year. You too.

I've only got caught the Block with me at the show. I've been trying to get it online, but I've got some problems. Um now I understand you're talking about homosexuality and things like that.

Well, especially the the fact that and I know this is the same over there if not even if not even worse the Blatant promotion of it's not only as an acceptable lifestyle. But in reality when you read between the lines of a current article in the Rolling Stone magazine concerning Melissa Etheridge and her lesbian lover having children via artificial insemination from David Crosby You really have the promotion of this as a as a better way.

In fact I didn't read through the section where they described how wonderful it is to have two mothers with the children and and how they work together in with such harmony and isn't it just Wonderful to have these these two women that can handle all these things.

And really who needs a father anyways. Obviously it is the it is what is being promoted not only in this way But also in the the psychological magazines and things like that is that there is no role for a father.

The father is is pretty much just there to get the ball rolling. He's a genetically required, but he's not it doesn't have to be a part of the children's life whatsoever. It is the father's role to Inculcate spiritual discipline within the family so on so forth.

This is this is clearly a part of the entire agenda to destroy the biblical family and to bring tremendous pain upon Upon the children of such a quote-unquote unions of these.

I'm sure that even and they've now adopted a child or some twins and. It was raging in the papers as to whether or not it was right and most papers are coming down. They all of course is right that they can't be anything wrong with that.

It's it's amazing the development as you say the speeding with things are developing especially over here. I mean, we've recently the army. Mm-hmm and I heard about that just today.

I think is because of the European Union or something along those lines.

Something to do with that change. I was in the car the other day and on the radio. Well, I mean it was shocked, but you couldn't couldn't get our heads around the fact I stopped listening to they've now started over in England.

I am a sexual heirloom apparently on various flights. I can't imagine quite how that's gonna happen but you know, but the way things are over here it is quite amazing through the the Acceptance and the almost TV programs and even your basic soaps we have on that, you know.

Well before the watershed, it's like, you know. Well homosexuality is part of everyone's life and everyone knows a homosexual. Don't you know that sort of thing? No, that's not that's not the case. I was conversation with somebody in the office about a month ago about homosexuality and he was basically saying though he didn't see anything wrong with it and.

And I was saying well, you know it there is there is some no basic problems. Even if you don't touch sort of a religious viewpoint, I mean, I still see some social problem. Thing is body for religious bigots.

Yes. Oh, yeah.

There's nothing more true than the fact that in in the prevailing media and in the social viewpoints of Western civilization today it is far to the right behavior and that's a wrong behavior than it is to be a Lesbian who becomes artificially inseminated to have children.

That is acceptable. No issues morality are brought up there. But if Jerry Falwell ends up on the today program Every sin and and terrible hate crime of the entire society is laid at his feet. Yeah, it is it is.

It's not even a culture war. The the Opposing side has taken over the entirety of the of the communication facilities with a few exceptions and They're they're not engaging in any type of meaningful battle.

They're just simply using blanket bombing techniques based upon lies and are being very effective in basically Dumbing down the people in the society to where people do not think for themselves anymore.

They just accept the prevailing notions and incorporate them into their own thinking.

Well interesting in this debate and any sort of break throughout. The other people in the office who kind of got involved was I actually try to pin this guy down on will all the objective Moral values and he says well, no there aren't and I raised issues like well, what about?

I mean, are they morally wrong? And he said well, no, I can't say that It's wrong to three is to be in line of example. Then you say that that viewpoint is a bigot and they're morally wrong. But according to your viewpoint somebody who went out and persecutes homosexuals.

You can't condemn them because there is no objective moral value, right? And it was an interesting debate because I mean he came away with it still very hard line on his position. But other people in the office who heard the debate said where he's coming from.

He has to admit that somewhere along the line. Yes, that is objective all right. And it was quite a worthwhile debate for them not to me. He went to the one but the people saw the sort of saying and then came waiting you gosh.

Yeah, you there are there have to be objective moral values. So he's worthwhile in that.

Well, if society is going to continue there has to be. But obviously in Western civilization right now there is a incredible push on to free ourselves of all such objective moral values because. The only meaningful place from which they can derived be derived is from viewing man as a special creation of God and that in essence God created the rule book.

God created the owner's manual. God knows what's best for us and Since man as a totally depraved creature is in rebellion against God is suppressing that knowledge. And they want to run as far away from as they possibly can.

It's not the first time this has happened. Anyone who knows history knows that the Roman Empire was Infected with the same type of utter moral depravity and if we haven't learned the lesson of history.

The Roman Empire doesn't exist today. Oh, it fell it collapsed from the inside, and that's what's going to happen. It just the things happen so much faster in the modern era because of our ability to communicate.

That it can happen a whole lot faster than it took the four or five centuries for Rome to fall. So we're heading the exact same direction.

Watch the news and watch the TV and to see what's on there. I mean that we say we're over in England. In homosexuality is just like such a common day thing. It's always supposed to be it's scary and and disgusting.

Well.

We need to realize the Christians who believe these things who believe the scriptures and who are willing to to speak out and to speak the truth are going to be a persecuted minority and That is not that so far in the future.

It's going to happen be ready for it. And it will change the face of Christianity to be sure and it will you know we have to draw a dividing line no pun intended and Demonstrate that those who call themselves Christians But are unwilling to be Christian in their thinking and their attitudes are not Christians.

They do not believe in the scriptures, and we need to start having the willingness to point those folks and say no. We have no fellowship with them. They they do not believe what I believe and And going from there, so well anyway.

Thanks for your call today Martin. Thanks James. All right. God bless. Bye. Bye. Well, it's I tell you this particular subject is continues to be absolutely amazing to me. I As I said it was the most amazing interview.

I had ever seen the article only Exacerbated that it even made it worse. Because the statements that were made in there. But I think Christians need to wake up and realize that really in essence the battle took place a long time ago.

The Christian Church was not prepared to to stand up and to fight the way that it should have. In fact I was just reading a little a Little book here at the home where I'm staying noticing a little section that had come out from the United Methodist back in the 1970s.

There was just the most incredibly Idiotic statements about Jezebel being a wonderful role model in the Bible. And it's no wonder when you have your mainline denominations quote-unquote mainline denominations.

I would not identify United Methodist as mainline anymore. Making such absurd statements 30 years ago. It's hardly very surprising that given that Total lack of ability to interpret scripture and to obey scripture that today These folks would be in the forefront of promoting the most godless and anti-christian Ways of thinking and of living that shouldn't surprise us at all.

But we still have a battle to fight within our own families. We need to be teaching our children that they are going to be living in a society where their beliefs What they hold precious will be mocked.

Just as these individuals who are now gaining the ascendancy. Once claimed to be the minority once claimed to those minority rights and you people shouldn't be persecuting us. They will turn around and they're the ones doing the persecution.

They're the ones doing the attacks and that is always the way that it works and that's only going to continue in the future and Really? It's going to have a tremendous impact upon the church because every Christian will have to make the decision.

What do I really believe and how strongly do I really believe it and the professing Church? The church where there is true profession of faith in Christ I think is going to be a much more easily defined group in the future.

When it costs you and it costs you greatly to be a part of it 602 two seven four thirteen sixty one triple eight five five zero thirteen sixty. We're gonna take a break right now and be right.

Promise Keepers and LDS Participation

And we're back on the dividing line today. Dr. White is in Sacramento. Sacramento. He's in San Antonio, Texas goodness. You know, you move around so much. It's hard to keep up with you.

I know and I'm not sure what's gonna happen next week when I'm out on Long Island. Cuz I don't know what my schedule is yet as to sometime during that trip I'm gonna be out in the woods in Pennsylvania with a youth group and I really doubt I'm gonna be able to get to a Phone if that's on a Saturday, so I I don't even know if that's first or second or whatever.

It is in the order of things, but we'll find out soon enough. I should mention rich before you run off that Our listeners may have listened last summer to the nine-part series that we did in response to Dr. Norman Geisler's book chosen but free and I mentioned at that time that I would be writing a response entitled the Potter's freedom and Yesterday afternoon I completed that work so it will be turned into the publisher here very quickly and I believe they will be able to be Producing that work fairly quickly as well.

So once the website is back I would advise everyone and of course, we'll we'll announce it on the program as well when the book is available Dr. Geisler's book came out in June of last year and I think it'll be less than a year before my response will be published from that point in time and The work is exactly 300 pages long as it is typeset at the moment I'm not sure if that's going to that's not including such things as everything that comes beginning Indexes so on so forth.

So it's probably going to be around 320 pages or so. But those that are interested in that particular subject, I think we'll find find the book to be very useful. I'm really excited about it, but I must have pressed on for I have another book due in June and So I have to start writing as fast as my little fingers will will type away on the keyboard.

But those of us who've seen you type and we know that you can actually type faster than we can read what you're typing. Know that you will do a great job on it.

Well, but the problem is you you've got to do some research before you can write that fast. Coming up here over the next number of weeks. We'll be working on that so but the Potter's freedom should be out from Calvary Press.