Episode 6 Part 2 - Is Homosexuality a Sin?

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Is Homosexuality a Sin?

The question is homosexuality. Is it a sin? Last week we covered it. We landed on a resounding. Yes Homosexuality is a sin as backed up Leviticus Chronicles Romans Jude not Jude. What's the other one?

Yeah, Jude. It was Jude as bad. Oh, yeah in Genesis back up just about everywhere Biblically backed up. So now we are going to talk about a couple of other things Starting off. We are going to speak about a couple of arguments pro Homosexuality in the Christian world.

Okay. So first let's talk about is it possible to Be a working homosexual in the Christian world Jeff can I pass it off to you and see what you said? I would say.

In the terms of working if you mean like openly practicing active. Yeah like active. It would be the same. I view it as the same as every other Sin like that is this if it's an active lifestyle if you don't feel conviction for sin that you are Doing you need to check your salvation?

Because the Holy Spirit will convict a father. He's I mean Jesus says it multiple times what type of father, you know. Won't correct his son and be a bad father. So as your father in heaven if you are sinning and disobeying and he doesn't correct you you don't feel his correction.

Gonna need to look at that salvation. So Working homosexual in the Christian faith is gonna be tough because if they are they're probably gonna be under some harsh conviction.

True if they have the Spirit of God in them. It says in a First John chapter 3, I believe verse 9 Says any who has the Spirit of God in him cannot keep on sinning. In other words God's Spirit will not allow him because how have you how can you who died to sin?

Continue to live in it and I think that's Romans 6 Saying so what should we say then if God's grace is so great? Why not keep on sinning and let his grace abound? No, it doesn't know. It's a it's a it's a resounding.

Absolutely Not like that because how can you who have died to sin still live in it? New a new creation.

We're to be like Christ and Christ was sinless. So there's no way for us to be sinful.

Correct. So living in sin without any Conviction any conviction? Okay. Well, I have something. Can I say something right before you say something? You sure can I really like to Jeff's point, but I can't respect it with this hair like this the way it is right now.

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Yes, make sure okay. Just make sure you don't look like that like an idiot. Yeah, just make sure you look fine. So I've been doing some research last week. My answer was yes, and I've done some research and I Wanted to go ahead and present some of the other sides of the argument for homosexuals.

Sorry homosexuality not being a sin. Okay, so let's hear it. Let's take this. So we just said that if you are a Born-again believer you should feel conviction for when you're doing something sinful. Okay.

Well, let's say for the sake of argument that the word Or if I'm reading the Bible and I look at it from historical context and I look at I do a word study on On finding the word homosexual you will not find it until you see Bibles written in The late 1800s because the word homosexual was not an actual word yet.

It was not practiced. It was it's a German word that well, they coined it and they it's it's a mix between a Greek and a Latin term meaning man with man and sexuality, so rings. So I can make the argument homosexuality is actually not even covered in the Bible so homosexual.

Sexuality can't be a sin. I mean it's not in the Bible. Yes, and no the word might not be in the Bible. But the action still is.

My and let's just say the original back in the day made before 1800 That's what we're talking about because it is in the Bible today as translated from words previously used before then. But continue with your book.

Oh. That's the first point. Yes. Okay. I just I didn't want to cut you off. I just wanted to um. So that's the trick when you're talking about etymology. That's etymology, right? The study of words. Okay entomology is insects.

Yes. Something new every day. I get them confused. When you learn about the history of words and you get caught up in logical fallacies guys remember. Just because the specific word Homosexuality did not exist prior to that.

That doesn't mean that the word they used Isn't homosexuality. I get to that doesn't make sense like okay You got caught in that gotcha moment or you know, you're having you're having the shower. That's what I always say.

It's like man. Anybody can hop in a shower and have that moment. This is something that Christians haven't thought about. To 2 ,000 plus years of Christianity and I just figured it out right here. No word homosexuality didn't even come to existence until the 19th century and then you're like Wow.

Well, the word didn't come into right was the word homosexuality wasn't but guys That doesn't mean that the concept and what it is did not exist just because we weren't using the you know English wasn't even a thing.

Right. I was like the word the English language right now is so different than the English you ever read Shakespeare. That was English, yeah, I mean you ever go to England can I use I don't count that as English.

I'm gonna use my geography teacher moment. Yeah, those are what we call language families. Yeah word language families word legit Legit, so I'm just like you get caught up in what specific language Has a specific sound kind of like the name of Jesus a couple episodes ago We said how do how do people who've never heard of Jesus get saved?

Well, it's not because it's because you don't have to literally have the phonetic Jesus in To be saved you don't have to know Jesus because if you did nobody before English today Would be saved because back then his name was a whole lot different because it was in a whole bunch of different languages so what I'm trying to say is Just because the word the English word Homosexual is not in the Bible before the 1800s.

Does not mean that the Bible did not say that homosexuality is bad. So yeah, so I get two things on that real quick one is between Translation between languages. It's like exactly right in Hebrew I mean the name Joshua and the name Jesus was the same because they had less letters.

So we pronounce one Joshua one Jesus, but you pronounce those basically the exact same in Hebrew. They're both like Yeshua, yeah, that's how you pronounce both of them just because they have less letters.

You see that a lot if you know two languages, you'll see that a lot. But the second one is what gets Christians every time is, you know, when Andrew first said that I was like, well, yeah. The word Trinity isn't in the Bible either.

Doesn't mean I don't believe in the triune nature of God. You just have to look at What is it saying rather than where's my one word? So, I mean you can say, you know homosexuality wasn't in the Bible to the 1800 the word Trinity still isn't in the Bible.

Because it's just not in the Bible the word trying nature is not in the Bible. You have to look at what the words are saying and then you see the triune nature of God.

Yeah, the words used in the Greek. We don't you. You know why I use the word Homosexual or homosexuality instead of these words. Because I can't say them. Okay, that doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm gonna try and read it out.

I'm gonna give it to you so that you can put it right here on the screen. Okay. Malachoi Mal a koi and our cynical our sin accord. I said accord. Yes. Yeah our sin accord. It's okay. Our sin accord. This is a sin like come on.

Well, I mean if you had told me that like in not knowing me I would look at you and be like, okay. You're crazy. You're on drugs. I'm gay. Congratulations, I'm happy for you. I would have no idea so.

Okay, I was happy, okay. But yeah, I mean just like the word was still there it just wasn't the English homosexual or heterosexual or anything like that it was. This word that I don't like trying to say you said it, right?

Do you think so? I think I didn't take Greek. I don't know the pronunciation. Tell me what's the difference between the two? Okay, not so. Malachoi is a Greek word that it has a wide translation. I have it written right here.

It can mean wanton debaucher weakling sensual or effeminate or it could Talk about a male prostitute. Right, and you put that together with our Senate our sin accord. I Right, like it's called our sin accord us but like the other word for like that's a conjugation person accord.

Translating them together as men have sex with men or homosexual, but the word literally means soft so like you think about Terms today, so you have a lot of the what would be trigger words and I don't mean this in offensive way I'm just gonna list it out.

You have faggot you have queer you have all those the things that we use today. And that one's not bad anymore. Yeah, queer has been reclaimed. Yeah, so that one's not bad, but like if you use it and you're not then it is still bad, right?

If you use it as a slur, yeah. Anything as a slur and it's gonna be bad if I say you dog like that. That's us. Would you say that to me right now? Leave your comment below if you think that I shouldn't have called him.

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Man. Yeah, so like literally what we would say now as these slurs. It kind of that's the kind of the vibe when I went to study. This is like they're literally just calling him soft and it was about. You could talk about the soft linens that the rich linens linens that the rich would wear they're calling him soft.

They're calling him pampered. They're calling him Posh, you know, I'm saying preppy preppy. Like they're basically saying preppy and it's talking about. Your stance as a man has been Uprooted by your sexual stance as a woman.

In other words when it comes to sex you let yourself be treated like a woman. Mm-hmm. And so it's being it's called being soft. And so that's basically what they're saying. That was the word for it, which is like if somebody has sex with another dude, they're Are our synecdoches or a synecdoche and that just means mostly soft.

And so that's when it's talking about that's mentioned in Corinthians Matthew. Here comes another point so. What literally what you just said was it was a status right that were applied to the status of a man.

Okay in Leviticus. You can make the argument that that the the exact chapter and verse escapes me but you can make the argument that the verse that says if a man lays with another man in the way of a woman that is a abomination.

We can they you could make the case that that is not talking about homosexuality that is talking about culture. Culturally, you're taking a man and lowering him to the stance of a woman which culturally at the time was not Very was not was not not a good thing.

So that would be another argument for homosexuality is not a sin.

The Biblical Case Against Redefining Homosexuality

Thoughts I would say my main problem with that is the other 85 times I talked about homosexuality in the Bible it wouldn't match up because you know the Bible. You know, we talked about harmonetics a lot at this church and so when you look at one Reference out of let's say a solid probably 10 or 15 instances where it specifically talks about homosexuality.

And you look at one reference and you pull what you think it means. And it doesn't match up with what all the other ones mean. You're putting you in the meaning. So when you look at homosexuality like in that stance right there and you say that and Then you look at every other time where it splits explicitly just says homosexuality.

Males having sex with males is a sin. It doesn't talk about blah blah lowering yourself to a woman doesn't put that in there. Well, then if that if that part of Bible doesn't match with this part of the Bible You're wrong.

Not the Bible. You're changing the interpretation. So that's what I would say to someone who would say that is. Okay, go read, you know Romans 1 27 where it specifically says it took Natural relationships between man and woman and gave those up for their own between two men.

It's absolutely right and you look at Levitical law. And you wonder what's happening during that time? So in other words, it's saying a man should not lay with another man. That's an abomination. Levitical law was being given out to a lawless place.

So basically these people were putting their newborn babies on burning statues you know I'm saying and not too different than their dinner partying around the child screaming and dying because they're Sacrificing them to their version their gods.

And so yeah mullet and so you have The set of Levitical laws and everybody says have you ever read Leviticus like it's ridiculous. And it's like you still got to follow those laws. It's like no. Well Jesus kind of came to Rid like free us of the law and now now we have a whole new thing.

But you look at it and say okay, you think those are ridiculous and from our American standards yeah, I can I can see that just like stoning this guy because he Slept with your wife or you know, just like there are a whole bunch of really crazy things.

It's fun to read but that came from these people are so incredibly terrible that they really needed this spelled out and Logged down and you look at the word. It's an abomination and they get Worried they're like abomination.

That's offensive. God says it's an abomination. Love isn't an abomination. Okay. So you have to you honestly have to make this decision. Do you care more about your personal feelings or about the Word of God?

Do you which do you hold more true? Which is more important to you because if I hold my personal feelings more than I hold God and what he says then you're living for you, correct, correct. And then then stop calling yourself a Christian.

I don't say that in a hateful way. I say that in If it looks like a dog if it smells like a dog, it's a dog. Mm-hmm, which is why I called you. That's why I use that just like if it looks like a Christian if it acts like a Christian then it's a Christian.

I am NOT going to say that my words and my feelings are more important than what God says just because what God says Upsets me. I understand I dude It's hard you deal with something and you desperately want it to be right?

Understand that but when God says that it's wrong. Well, then therefore your feelings and your desperation for it to be right Outweighs what God says and you try and twist and disprove like no. Like that that's where you made the mistake and also keep in mind it.

Yes, it says it's an abomination, but when it lists the seven sins that God find most detestable.

Is homosexuality listed in there? No, no. And like four of them are lying.

Four of them are like different ways to lie and I mean prides. One of them weren't and.

Every single person falls under that court. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not yeah. Yeah.

Well to so I'm taking off my hack Hector hat and putting putting back on my hat one thing that I think a lot of. Either Christians or non-christians who go? Oh, well that Leviticus y 'all got a follow-all that don't you well There's a something that we did when I was doing my independent study with Pastor Ben when he was here.

With MIT he showed me a clip from the West Wing. Which is a clip where the president comes in and there's a I guess she's a religious reporter or whatever. And she's been making claims against Against his presidency or something and he comes in as like, oh, well my I want to sell my daughter.

Should I do should I do this or that and he starts quoting Levitical law making fun and making shaming her. And the whole thing is if you you know, if you're gonna pick and choose. Why why why do we pick and choose what we do?

Pastor Josiah actually has a thing on the YouTube channel Witten media ministry about picking and choosing so check that out. But anyway all that to say Levitical Levitical law I think does more than is just the law.

I think Levitical law. This is me personally I'm not saying scholarly. This is what it is. But I think what it does is it not only shows us what the laws were but it also gives us a character of who? God is so what it.

It is an abomination. God looks at it and goes. I don't like that. He looks at bestiality same way. I don't like that the laws not only say what we can and can't do specifically to the Israelites. What you can and cannot do in order to honor and glorify God.

That's the whole purpose. It's not because you shouldn't do this. It's because this is what's honoring and not honoring to God. So I would say that not only does Levitical law. Which Christ did come and take care of?

But it doesn't only give you rules. It gives you a glimpse into the character of who God is. Because without it, we don't know we wouldn't know why we don't do the things we do. What's the what's Paul's?

What's Paul? What's the the verse? I do the things I shouldn't do Romans 7. Without at least knowing Levitical law. You take you take the New Testament by itself. What is it quote most of the time the Old Testament Oh Testament all the place so.

There's that's my point is we see the character of God through the Levitical law. It's not just a book of rules.

Culture, Scripture, and the Character of God

Yeah, I would just say back to the Leviticus being cultural you have to understand a Lot of you put the head back I put Hector's back. Yeah, I'm a Hector again, you know a lot of times. To your example Jesus, let's say the Sermon on the Mount he's you know, he's saying, you know, you were told Don't kill all the one-ups.

Yeah, I tell you so he's not he's not saying the Old Testament's wrong. It's saying it's saying understand that The Old Testament is still valid. But I'm after your heart the Old Testament is actions.

God looks at your heart man, so like You have to also understand that There is culture Influence in the Bible. We do see that. Especially in Paul's writings and stuff. He I mean he speaks Greek so, you know every language has their like Cultural influences into this language, you know, that's how we communicate is through language and it changes every year.

But God doesn't change so the words and the meaning and everything everything is the same. So when Paul says to somebody hey stop doing this, you know It's good to know the story in the context to have good harmonetics, but you can't just say that's.

That's just cultural, you know, but the Bible is so old. Yeah, I mean we can't you can't define you cannot bring the Bible into this culture and not expect it. There's a new enlightened technological.

So much more advanced and we're so much smarter than we used to be. So why would we need? What what do you what? Why do you hate my argument?

My argument is true because I would I would honestly I honestly I'm a believer that the average human being has only become less intelligent. No, so we have technology so it's like oh, you know what you want we know now.

We know what the name of the second planet is and we know how many plants are in the solar system. But we don't know not to eat Poison, we don't know not to eat high pods, you know. But like so it's like who's really smarter smarter.

The person that makes your own food Farms does all their own work and provides for their family by himself teaches kids do the same and is self-sufficient or the person that Knows the equation for standard deviation.

I mean like really who's the more intellectual person? I don't know Standard deviation, I don't know what that is. So it's like if you have a whole bunch of numbers, okay.

They lost me. I'm talking to the musician. I can count up to eight.

I like that because people 16 to equate other people's scientific accomplishments with my degree cultural Intelligence, so it's just like oh now we're so much smarter now. It's just like no. The scientists are so much smarter now, you're still an idiot.

Yeah, it's just like okay, but they just built off the next person. They just another stab. It's not great and it's all logged right here on your phone.

Yeah, I can Google it. I know everything because of Google, right? I don't know what I can just look it up. I can look it up in 15.

Yeah, I guarantee you and I just automatically retain any any person who calls themselves smart or scholar. Let's go back and let's have you talk to Socrates to these big thinkers of way back when and see how how smart you do you feel after that?

You know I'm saying just like are you really smart smarter? Do you have more access or were one or two people? Make a really good advancement and you just claimed it as a society. Yeah. Oh, that's our advancement Bill Gates says look what I did.

We did that. We are so much smarter. No.

Yeah, I love that. It was like when I think about like what Pastor Jeff was talking about. With Nehemiah traveling four months to go work. It's just like you guys that we can travel that in like a couple hours.

Yeah, it's like you have to remember how much access what your big word what how much access to knowledge they had Versus us. I mean they literally like when you were born at a place you were gonna live there.

Yeah, you knew a few hundred people like in that area. I mean you were not. You know you can't just go you know 150 miles away. That's a that's a legit.

That's a that's a travel meanwhile. I am legit moving further south on Wednesday.

Yeah, so I mean like that's stuff like that didn't happen back then. Yeah, you didn't have the access. There's no library. No, nothing see people figured stuff out by themselves. That's why I'm a believer that people have become less and less intelligent because we have become more and more dependent less and less Independent.

So we will only become less intelligence because I've used intelligence not by knowledge. But can you how quickly do you learn knowledge? That's how it was your potential.

Exactly. Yeah, and just to go back onto the topic and I just wanted to say this one last thing because I Know it would be hurtful for me personally because nobody Nobody wants to be told that their father or even or their God looks at them and says You know I'm saying like and I know It's like and I say this to the person listening who struggles with homosexuality and believes in God.

It sucks to hear this is an abomination I it has to mm-hmm it has to coming for me from the age of 13 all the way up to about.

March of this year it was it sucked because you want to please God you do and then everywhere you read it's wrong. It's wrong. And No matter how you take or interpret it yourself you like if you truly are the believer you will have that conviction.

You will have that conviction and Like for most my life. I had the conviction and it was like It's hard you like it really does suck because you're there and you you want to please him and it always feels like at any Moment, you can just be like you're done, right?

One too many times you you messed up. I'm done with you.

It's that struggle with saying especially and I will bring up the culture, especially right now. It's becoming so much more difficult for Christians who deal with homosexuality because I Want to be able to accept that part of myself, but I want to be able to please God and God calls it an abomination.

And so it's just like ow, this sucks, but it also doesn't help. Our culture today is very self-centered.

I'm sure you need to figure out you you need to live your life and do this for you and you and you. But if You're a Christian. You can't do it for you. You have to do it for God.

It's home is it's so difficult to grasp the concept of deny yourself. Pick up your cross and follow me daily. And it's all you do it is So rewarding. Oh, it's been free. It's life-changing you because you become a completely new creature but it's the idea that further than my own understanding.

Further than my own understanding. So when I am confused when I don't understand why I have to have faith that God's reasoning is hot. God's ways are higher than my ways. His thoughts are higher than my thoughts Romans 9.

How untraceable are your ways? How unsearchable are your thoughts God is? Bigger better faster stronger, you know I'm saying. But I just wanted to say if you could put away the hurts put away the offense.

Put away the man. This is really hard to hear that. This is a Abomination and all that stuff look at it from God's perspective logically. We claim that there is a God Who spoke the world into existence and who created all things?

I believe he He is goodness he created science he created logic he created law. And in that Sex is something that he created and he did not create it to be a bad thing. Remember he looked on the world said this is good.

Right. He created this to be a blessing and he created it with a definition. This is what it is. This is what it is meant for. So put yourself in God's shoes. I created something for my kids as a blessing they Decided to twist it manipulate it and take advantage of it and not glorify me not Thank me for what I've done, but spit in my face turn it around make it something completely different.

So when he calls it, this is an abomination. Is it a personal attack to your struggle? No, I don't think so. Is it an attack to what you have done to his gift and his creation? Yes. Mm-hmm what you have done to God with your actions?

Yes, so It sucks to hear that you're wrong. It sucks to hear that God says Hey, you're sinning. But what sucks even more is realizing that I have taken something that God has given me as a blessing and completely Twisted it and perverted it into something different and so I just wanted to say that before we moved on from that because I know a lot of people have dealt with.

Just like they get very upset or very hurt when it's like it's an abomination. Well, yeah, dude. Well, but God doesn't want us to be lonely remember in Genesis. He did say he put on the Hector hat. Okay He doesn't want us to be lonely.

Remember he made he made Eve because he saw that Adam Adam was just gave that way. He saw that man was lonely or so he made a Companion or so if if I don't if I don't see homosexuality as a sin. And if I am a homosexual, I'm not gonna find my companionship in a woman.

I'm gonna find my companionship in another man. But he doesn't want me to be lonely. So thus it can't be a sin. Right, that's that that makes total logical sense to me. Oh totally.

Well, what's your opinion on that except for the fact that it it's going to be a sin like but it's not but loneliness in that aspect of I mean and this is gonna be the one thing when when I had my struggle for the most part I constantly struggled with the fact of Like I want to be happy.

This is gonna be this over here or I'm gonna live a lonely life and I'm not that was like the two Outcomes that I could see I could either like shut the door in God's face and live my life how I wanted or just be lonely and try to just get through life.

And then have the reward in heaven but then when when you think like like Trying to put it back into like the words if you have the right relationship with God and you are with the like a true family of Believers like the body of Christ and you are an active member of it.

You will not be lonely. You can't be lonely. I mean it take take me I moved away from my family I they're in the like couple 12 hours away from me. I Technically would be lonely if I wanted to be I could just isolate myself from everybody and be lonely.

I could but she could be part of the community but but then I could also be if I wanted to be a part of the Gay community and not be lonely. However. The kind of X list me quite a few times so it's fine because the cattiness and X's just wanted to be X's.

Kind of just have been X listed. Yeah. Yeah, they X listed me. I went I went fine I went to a gay club and I literally look got looked at and was like You don't belong here and I was like what what? And it was because my eyes was the bartender and had told everybody that that apparently I cheated when he cheated on me never.

Never have I ever? Yeah heard about walking into a gay bar and hearing the sentence. We don't like your kind around.

Which I mean, I don't know where y 'all are from. Watching this. If you if you are gay and you're watching this maybe your communities just better but here in Memphis, they will come after you man. So, yeah.

Yeah, that's just how it is. And so for me like I got X listed from the community that is supposed to be accepting of me. Really? I know where to go and came back to church. Like that was really what it was.

I came back to church found the right body. Haven't had the struggle in a long time. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, no, I haven't had the struggle since March. It's been wonderful. Dang. I know almost half a year.

It's great. And honestly and I can say this with just my experience It's freeing. It really is freeing when you take like take up your cross and you die to yourself and you do what God wants you to Do.

It is so freeing. Yeah, and it but it's is after you had that convict. I had the conviction long enough I was just done with it. I literally said I'm done. Yeah, and went about my way and It's it's freeing and so for you to sit there and did not have the conviction.

Then there didn't you're not saved. You're not you can't be because you have to have the conviction.

Man, I mean we want to talk about Loneliness. God doesn't want me to be lonely. Therefore. He will settle. For or even worse to claim. He will support my homosexual marriage because of that. So supporting, huh.

Alright. Well, so, all right. Well, hang on hang on before you continue. Okay, let me let me go ahead and add the next point. So dead gum it. I Just love it when you're Hector. I love I love this so. It's not a sin.

I mean, I'm gonna make that definitive statement. It's not a sin. He's playing the role. He's playing the role.

Maybe they haven't told you what my new answer is. The Hector episode was was they might not have seen it. Hector is a Character that we play who not a character. He's a persona that we play Advocate of the devil's advocate.

His name is Hector and he can inhabit any one of us at any time.

Oh, I'm a good head drawn every other day then.

Okay, okay, so I'm a sec, all right, it's not a sin. Sure, if I am in a committed faithful homosexual relationship God will honor it because it. I'm not cheating. I'm not committing adultery with another man.

I am in a steady relationship and I and I am fully believing that if I have if I adopt the child or If we have a surrogate Mother Adopt whatever we adopt the child. That child is gonna be in a perfect household because it's gonna be two people who love each other and we're totally fine.

I think God will honor that. All right.

Well, first of all, I'm like one statement on the loneliness thing. God didn't care if Paul was lonely. He never asked him agree to. With that thing we're saying it's not a sin because it's not adultery.