The SBC: Revoice, Posture Shift, He Gets Us Campaign and Homosexuals Baptizing at FBC Orlando

Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today. I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast. Now this as you might have already noticed if you looked at.

The particulars of this video is a longer Podcast than what I typically do but there is a lot in here. I'm going to be talking to Casey Butner the pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida.

As well as Tom Buck pastor of First Baptist Church Lindale, Texas. And we're gonna cover an awful lot of ground here. So some of the things that we're going to talk about we're going to be talking about.

The revoice conference, which is a kind of a gay affirming quote-unquote Christian conference. Posture shift. Which is a curriculum but that has been used by First Baptist Church Orlando and any number of other churches.

To change their posture. Shift their posture as the name implies.

Towards.

LGBTQ people going to be talking to Tom Buck about the he gets us campaign you've probably seen some of these commercials on television and We're gonna be talking about the North American Mission Board and I am North American Mission Board primarily, but NAMS Connection to the he gets us campaign and all of the issues with that and there are a lot of them.

Also, we will be talking about the latest update with First Baptist Church, Orlando not only baptizing homosexuals, but actually having a homosexual baptize someone else in the church's own baptistry and The obvious concerns that are there so there is a lot here I'm going to have down below in the description a link to.

Only one or two links to a couple of videos that I've done that are pertinent to some background information. For this podcast as well as stay tuned to the very very end the telltale and even after my closing logo that will have a special announcement of an upcoming conference that you might want to To come join us for if you're able to do so, so.

Down below in the description. Not only is that link to that video, but also.

Timestamps.

For the different sections in this video because it's a lot of it. So if you want to come back later or go to a particular point You'll find the timestamps down below there that will help you navigate this video.

There are some difficult things that we talk about Here that Casey and Tom and I talk about and I know I speak for these two pastors and brothers friends of mine that we do so purely out of concern and love for those involved and those who will potentially be Involved or affected by these issues.

So thank you very much dear ones without any further delay. Here we go. Casey brother, thank you so much for joining me for another installment here.

Yes, sir. Thank you for having me back Justin. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, I think I speak for both of us when when I say that this is not something that you and I want to do. Wish it was not necessary to do in the first place but but there is a lot going on in the SPC and specifically First Baptist Church, Orlando, but Is indicative of kind of the broader?

Southern Baptist Convention in general the things that are going on the capitulation to the world and specifically to the LGBTQ movement and all that. So. In casey, there's a conference called the revoice conference that has been going on for several years and the revoice conference I'm just going to show a screenshot from their mission statement and it says their mission is to support and encourage Gay lesbian bisexual and other same-sex attracted SSA.

Sometimes people will see that acronym Christians as Well as those who love them so that all in the church might be empowered to live in gospel unity. While observing the historic Christian doctrine of marriage and sexuality.

So this is a conference that claims to be Christian claims to have a biblical view of sexuality and marriage and yet in their home mission statement They talk about gay lesbian bisexual Christians, which is a contradiction in terms.

So.

Talk to us a little bit about the revoice conference and Posture shift. So tell us what posture shift is and the connection between those two.

Sure, and obviously, you know, we sided with scripture right away First John 1 8 if we say that we have no sin. We are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. So you cannot claim to be a gay Christian so the revoice conference is contraire from the very beginning.

Now the revoice conference is what it is. Everybody knows what it stands for. If you watch just some of the videos there it speaks for itself. So that is there. But on the conservative side of things there's a connection that's bringing that false ideology into conservative churches and turning the dial.

Transforming them in a negative way and posture shift is one of those means. Now I've mentioned before that I don't seek after this stuff, but if it comes my way then I don't shrink back and so lots of folks have come to me who have been trained by posture shift and They've given me their manuals and they've told me look through this.

My heart is just aching at the missy illogical approach to Inclusivism and so I'll just let you read for yourself the mission statement there for posture shift and these manuals these course handbooks were From.

They are from First Baptist, Orlando. They're from their staff they're from their volunteers they're from their leadership there and then they were told not to tell anybody that they went through this training.

Now, that's. Okay, just a bombshell.

Yeah, I don't I don't want people to miss that. So these individuals from inside First Baptist, Orlando Came to you again. You didn't seek this out. They came to you and they gave you these manuals posture shift and They both told you that they were told by the church not to tell anyone.

That they.

Went through this and the church is using this.

Yeah, and so now they're put in a position to where like why are we doing something at the church that we can't? Herald, but we can't tell that we can't you know, just be authentic and real about well.

Right here inside the manual got handwritten notes from these folks I'll read you some of what the print says in the manual loving LGBTQ plus people in the church. We help church leaders enhance care and inclusion of LGBTQ plus within a biblically sound orthodox Framework.

Okay, so that's how it's staying how it starts and then right on the next page and that highlight here I'll read the highlight a gospel of exclusion has no power to reach already banished persons, so this is a gospel of inclusion out of exclusion and You tell me what the gospel is is it inclusive or exclusive.

Is it Christ alone? Yes. Exactly, and obviously you and I mean no harm at all to anybody if the gospel is going to be Exclusive. Which it is and we just simply proclaim the gospel at the Word of God do the work of regeneration in the people's hearts.

Whom will be saved? But to change the gospel means that this is a different Gospel. Yeah, and I cannot bring enough weight to the fact that we must have spiritual discernment about us. And this is the reason why people are coming.

There's like this is there's something wrong with this. Obviously doesn't pass the sniff test nor the doctrinal test. So what do we do about it? Well, obviously you need to call it out. In fact. Like to read from the legacy first Timothy 4 6 and pointing out these things to the brothers.

You will be a good servant of Jesus Christ being nourished on the words of faith and of sound doctrine. Which you have been following. So it's just simply being faithful to point out that which is in error to keep whom you love safe.

And so some of the handwritten notes some of the things that we're taking from this training. I'll just mention some it says you'll be called a heretic. By taking this position. So and it also says that at the inclusion model Honors God it says that we're enhancing church inclusion.

We're increasing family acceptance and I mean I could literally read notes for an hour or more but notes on LGBTQ QIAAP plus people that second Q is for questioning and how to reach them. It's saying that they have a predisposition.

Right and you need to include them to be a family. Well, our predisposition is sin, right? Period.

Yeah.

To include that and to affirm that is sin. Understanding that gender does not match the body's sex Is something that they taught.

Okay, say that again. So that's in the manual. That's in the manual.

It now this is handwritten notes at this particular part. So they were okay coached. Understand that the gender that they feel may not match I'm to include this and so they go on to talk about Pansexual bisexual and or say I mean the list of Stuff goes on and on and on but so you're it's an inclusive gospel.

So you're including these people and this is the reason why we go back to like the prior videos as to how first Baptist, Orlando would justify baptizing a homosexual and placing them into service and getting them in the family and including them and with the language of trying to pacify Biblical Christians and saying oh we just we just want to get them around an atmosphere.

So that perhaps they will see the love of Christ and accept him. So it's changing Missiology it's changing Ecclesiology is changing how we do church you you cannot baptize and condone someone who is living in open sin.

Basically, so this is a missy logical framework that includes those who would be so-called marginalized. Just a couple more things before we move on. They've been coached to think like missionaries to reach and keep the LGBTQ plus people and the components of a healthy missy logical framework include.

Community a sense of family meeting their needs. Listening to them and not correcting them learning rather than teaching the key word here is being humble. Impatient and then they add the word tolerant a whole lot.

And so. Basically, this is another gospel that's using biblical terminology. But changing things and this is the reason why it's so confusing. So nevertheless you have this training and that's the reason why I mean The the title says it all it's a posture shift the posture that we take as biblical Christians.

Founded on the Word of God that is unchanging and sufficient they're shifting away from that in changing things and this is the reason why folks have come and they have said family watch the videos and in addition to what you've already said, we need to go back a few years and Let you know how this came about and I was blown away at how strategic.

This training was years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah, so so this is not a matter of just kind of you know, the Being a little careless and letting things slip, but this is a deliberate plan of action. This is a Something they're training their staff people and lay leaders presumably as well, right.

So just to kind of make sure that people get the connections there's Connections between revoice and posture shift and if you want to get specific we can. Nate Collins is one of those Who is a speaker for both and he's a graduate of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Connected to both and he would believe that it's okay to be gay. We could go on and on about the details, but we're not doing a documentary. We're just simply exposing the things that are happening.

Yeah, yeah, and this is a this is something that a church pays for. They pay for the manuals. They pay for the curriculum or whatever. And so it's in all likelihood. I mean, it's not just First Baptist, Orlando.

That's using this there who knows how many?

Southern Baptist churches are using this. Yeah, exactly. And so posture shift is is huge and. And you think about something larger that's going on right now with this hundred million dollar campaign. He gets us.

Yeah Tom Buck did a good job with exposing the fact that Kevin Ezell and them partnered right away with this heretical movement and. So he backed out, right? Well big deal that just shows that he's a pragmatist since he got a little bit of heat he backed out and he Apologizes or what he meaning Kevin Ezell.

Yeah, Kevin Ezell, right? All right. Well, dr.

Tom Buck pastor of First Baptist Church, Lindale, Texas. Brother, thank you so much for joining me. How are you today? I'm doing good. Good to be with you Justin as always good good you as well you as well.

Okay, so Tom Casey and I Casey Butner and I talked have talked about the the revoice conference and the posture shift which you just told me before we started recording that you have purchased a copy of and you've reviewed you've seen you've seen all the problems with it and and.

Talk to us a little bit more. We mentioned that he gets us campaign, but talk to us a little bit more. What is the he gets us campaign? Why is there such concern? With the connection to NAMM and you kind of exposed some of this stuff.

So how did all that come about?

Well, the interesting thing is I was watching that football about three weeks ago and He gets this came commercial one of those commercials came up his first I'd seen of it. And I saw it and I'm like this something's wrong with this.

So I went to the website and began looking around sure enough. It had problems all over the place. I Entered into I went into the chat room even then asked some questions to say, you know to see where they were Theologically and it was very sketchy I even Reached out to my associate pastor one of my associate pastors gave Hughes and said hey Have you seen this and so he was looking at it.

We were examining some of the stuff so little did we know that, you know, three weeks later, so that Ed Stetzer and Kevin Ezell would be doing a webinar. They did it on Wednesday. I believe Wednesday of last week.

Not this week, but the week before promoting this whole thing and talking about this partnership that NAMM was having with them and I'll tell you it's really discouraging for me because I I Don't go looking for this stuff.

Honest to goodness. It drops in my lap I don't have the time to go.

Look for these things by the way not to interrupt you. That's exactly what Casey Butner said about all the stuff with First Baptist, Orlando. He doesn't go looking for it. It just people bring it to him.

It just comes to him. Yeah.

Yeah, and so when I saw saw it, you know I'm like that he gets us and of course it'd been three weeks since I'd seen it. That's that's the same same campaign.

So I.

After I think I saw it on Thursday after the webinar had come out so less than 24 hours later I began going back to some of the pages that I had been on. I didn't initially do any screenshots because I honestly The the campaign was so bad.

The website was so bad that I've ever dreamed That it would be something that the SPC would be involved with because it's so far outside the Baptist faith of message. So I'll give you let me see if I give you example of a Couple of these things that I found.

So I found one of the things that that popped up for me Was dealing with Jesus's anxiety. Okay, so That Jesus experienced anxiety and said like many people do this is directly from their website. Jesus tried to escape to a favorite quiet place.

I'll be glad to send you these clips so you can put them up to show people.

Yeah.

It says a garden of old growth olive trees on the side of a mountain even brought a few friends for emotional support. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I should laugh. I know it's it's it's some of its corny as well as just bad theology.

But overwhelmed with exhaustion his friends couldn't stay awake as he pleaded with God to make his problems go away.

His problem.

Away yes, that's what they say about Jesus going to the. The garden. Yes, I mean the garden gets him any. To pray when he says, you know father take this cup from me. Not my will yours be done. I mean oh.

And it says next sentence, but this was a petition. He knew wasn't going to be what wasn't going to be answered. Jesus said his soul was grieved to the point of death. That's how he described. Anxiety, he reportedly suffered.

Hematoid drosis, is that how you pronounce it? I'm not sure. A rare condition caused by acute emotional stress where the sweat glands rupture causing them to excrete blood. He tried to cope with his anxiety as best he knew how and just like many of us his coping mechanisms proved insufficient.

Unbelievable.

No doubt. It's not believable. So that's what they said about Jesus having anxiety in the garden. Now again all of this was accessible. Kevin Zell we'll talk about in a minute should have known everything that was going on.

I think he did know what was going on. But anyway, so let me let me read another one. So I just pulled up three different three different Things that were there. The second one I read Was he Jesus dined at the tables of the wealthy men whose riches were won with lies and corruption now.

This whole thing is to make Jesus a social justice warrior. Okay. So in order to in order because they've got Jesus as a refugee all of that kind of stuff. So in order to make Jesus get us and that he was a social justice warrior.

This is how they explain Him eat dining with sinners. Now both of you and I would both agree Jesus dined with people that the religious leaders Objected to him dining with because they were sinners, but it says he dined at the tables of the wealthy men Whose riches were won with lies and corruption?

He crossed over racial boundaries to eat with people who did not look like him. Now, where is that? Jesus never ate with Gentiles.

Jesus.

At any time you he observed the law so what racial boundaries did he cross. So you'll see they want to do whatever they can to Read totally telling it's a different Jesus so that they can make him social.

Social justice Jesus same name different person. Yeah now this met again. I only looked at three different articles. I didn't even look at every single article. So there may be stepped on there, but it's worse than this.

But it's just what I quickly found and it was bad enough. But here was the worst one. I found of this this group some some Believe Jesus lived a perfect life for others. That's a stretch either way as We search for themes to share it became apparent to us that Jesus set a high bar for himself.

No, I mean that's I mean That's the money. Stunning. So it doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life. They say either way, but what he did was set a high bar for himself either way.

Yeah, he just yeah, he just tried to give a hundred ten percent, you know, I mean.

Yeah, so here is there here's their description. If I can find this this is from a okay. So this is a an ad not an ad but an interview that they did of the guys who who did this whole we gets us campaign and it talks about McKendree.

That's one of the guys that was involved said he gets us has the same goal of playing the long game. Says they asked him is the goal that people become Christians. He said obviously. But more importantly for now We need to raise the unbelievers level of respect for Jesus and then they'll move.

So he's saying we've got to help people see that they were. If we get him to respect Jesus. Then they'll move towards salvation. So this is beyond pragmatism. Yeah, this is a false Jesus and they're inventing a false Jesus.

So whatever Jesus they're moving to is.

Not the Jesus of the Bible. No, they're ashamed of the gospel. Absolutely. They are ashamed out about it.

They they've got to invent a social justice Jesus for this group. You can you need to go look at some of the videos. They have one video that they played there this weekend. Interrupted my Tennessee, Alabama game which as a Tennessee fan.

I was happy about that. But it talked about Jesus and he didn't at the beginning. That doesn't talk about you know. You don't know. It's Jesus if you don't know that that's what they're trying to do, but they talk about this gang leader and.

They show pictures of a clear tatted up gang leader and okay, dear friends.

I want to show you the video of which Tom was just speaking. But before I do I want to show you some statistics just out of curiosity I went to the he gets us YouTube channel and And I was stunned by what I found now for comparison.

I'm going to show you a screenshot of some of the Stats of the he gets us YouTube channel as compared to my channel. So let's look at this. There's 34 uploads on the he gets us YouTube channel that means they've uploaded 34 videos for comparison at this point.

I have uploaded 156 videos to my channel. They have a little over 8 ,000 subscribers To their channel by comparison. I have a hundred and sixty six thousand subscribers, so I have about 21 times the number of subscribers to my channel as Does the he gets us YouTube channel?

But look at the number of video views. The he gets us channel has over three hundred and forty eight million.

Views.

Compared to my channel, which has a little under 14 million views They have over 25 times The number of views on their channel as I do on mine despite the fact that I have 21 times the number of subscribers and What five times the number of videos?

That is absolutely Stunning. I could not Believe my eyes when I saw that. So what that shows is that? This he gets us campaign is getting a ton of views. Millions upon millions upon millions upon millions of People are watching this so this false Jesus and false gospel is being broadcast to Untold numbers of people all around the world millions upon millions tens of millions Maybe over a hundred million now presumably some people watch you know what same person will watch multiple videos.

But nonetheless, I mean you're this is enormous the reach of this he gets us campaign is just Enormous and it's enormously troubling when you consider that this is a false Jesus and A false gospel and anyone who trusts in the Jesus of the he gets us campaign if they're trusting in that Jesus They will die dead in their sins and Go to hell for all of eternity.

This is a big deal and it is tragic that the Southern Baptist Convention the North American Mission Board and Kevin Ezell and Ed Stetzer Have decided this was a good idea a good thing to partner with just.

Unbelievable a.

Rebel took to the streets. He recruited others to join him. They roamed the hood and.

Challenged authority.

Community leaders feared them. Religious leaders Abhorred them. We have to get them off the streets. They said. But they weren't part of a gang spreading hate and terror. They were spreading love.

He had his street guys. He got off the street and and they were rabble rousers and so forth. But they were not hurting people. They were helping people and and that's who Jesus was. He was a gang leader.

I mean seriously, it's just it's astounding a gang leader who. Who gets a good gang together to do good to people. And then they have another video where it pictures Mary. Or this young girl talks about a young teenage unwed girl who discovers she's pregnant and she's all torn up distraught that's her hand so she's distraught that she's pregnant and but this guy comes along and and is willing to marry her and and.

That's how Jesus was born. And then I mean, it's you know they take bits and pieces of truth and then they mold it and twist it like a pretzel into their.

Poorly.

Thought out theological or sometimes a radical Views, and of course, there's nothing necessarily radical about that. But what they're trying to do is make Mary like an unwed Pregnant girl that is distraught that she's got pregnant.

So if you're in this situation, that's how Jesus Born and so I mean.

You you think about that. You you think about what they're implying and you carry that to its logical conclusion. So a single unwed mother today who finds herself pregnant. Okay, she got pregnant through a sinful act.

Right. And they're gonna compare that to Christ. That's exactly what they did. Wow.

I have and that I have. No that's that's one of the running commercials. You know again, you can. We'll try to get all these links. So you can put them at the bottom of your and people can go watch it.

Okay, so I wanted to watch this video as well. And so I found the one of which Tom was speaking. Downloaded it and I'd like you to see it at least most of it. There are parts that I think are inappropriate because it shows this young.

Mother with.

Less clothes on fewer clothes on then she should have. It's especially coming from a Christian quote-unquote Organization. So this is this is it and I just googled the you know. Like the movie ratings icon or whatever on Google got an image of that.

To cover up the parts that I think are inappropriate. So here we go a.

Young girl had a boyfriend. She got pregnant. She was scared. How could she face her parents. What would they say? Can't hide something like that forever. Her parents asked who the father was. They assumed her boyfriend, but Baby wasn't his.

He loved her so much. He offered to help raise the child with her. They married and found a small place. They had very little money and no insurance. One evening her water broke. There wasn't time to get help.

He delivered the child. And lay him in a manger.

So I mean Lee at least he gets us is better than them. They don't scrub stuff.

So, you know, I say have more integrity than the North American Mission Board. Yes, so.

You know, but anyway, I digress. So I I put those things up and immediately people started pushing back on. They started pushing back on them as you might imagine. In fact, I was amazed how quickly it was and I mean people that I was would was kind of surprised at That they got involved if you will and what I mean by surprised at is I thought that they might try to ignore it or Look the other way and because that's often what happens in the SPC now I'm not gonna mention their names because you know, I'm not gonna throw them around the bus, but these are some individuals that You know are actively involved at some level in SPC life.

Okay, and so they were concerned about this a beginning to some of them said things publicly some of them Said things to many privately. I'm gonna try to pull up one of these things here that was said to me.

Okay. Because I want you to again now this is secondhand because they're telling me that this is what Kevin said but they reached out to Kevin and Said that Kevin said his motive Was to promote Use this as an opportunity to promote for for good prospects.

And.

Then the other thing that Kevin said Was that he was going to do what he could. He did think some of the language was sloppy on there and he was going to work. Let me just quote here. He agreed that there were some problems and that he would work to try to get some of those articles edited.

Okay. So so if so, we know.

Right now you can't exit.

Exactly. Listen, this is the same thing Justin that we got with the living out stuff. Yeah, so this is almost identical to that yeah because I pointed out the problems with living out they said well we just you know.

You're misunderstanding them. We need to clean up some of the articles and then I did that series and I and I and I went on the living out website and went to their Portal where you could send messages and I sent a message to them.

I used a pseudonym. They said on the website that we're trying to reach, you know, the target was a 15 year old 15 year old boys. They kind of that was kind of their demographic. So I said, I'm a 15 year old boy who would like to know how do I think about being same-sex attracted?

And they point they pointed me to this ministry people can go look at this at the article that I did on this and That and where I went and read where they pointed me to what living out pointed me to. Talked about going to gay bars and going to new beaches as a way to cope with this stuff.

So once I exposed that the LGBT issue. That's when you're all see through its hands up and backed out quietly. Okay, you're gonna see the very same thing happened here. Identically almost down almost to the T Happened with one with NAMP.

So I put up the bad articles. They say yeah, they're a little sloppy. Kevin's going to Try to get these edited. Which and I think that's what they would have done. I think they would have used that kind of thing and tried to stay in the program.

So I decided that I went to their website again. He gets us they had a place where you could ask questions. And so I said, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to ask some questions and see what kind of answer that I get.

So I Went to two different people. I have screenshots as this as well. It's been up on the internet. But I said I keep being told by some Christians that Jesus wouldn't accept me because I'm gay, okay.

Okay, so okay. I say that. And the person responds back. Jesus loves and accepts everyone and then I say Back to this same person. Well, so you don't agree with my friends I don't have to stop being gay to be a Christian and The person said as for my perspective.

No, Jesus don't judge about that.

Jesus don't judge about that.

Yep.

What was said, yep so. Again, that's their official site. There are some people that are angry at me and say that I'm a liar and I lie and I'm to see these people I Used to sue them. Yes, I Asked a question of what someone who would ask who claims that they're a gay Christian.

I.

You know people have to judge one way or the other where they they feel that what I did was sinful. But I've spoken to several pastors whom I trust Who have said absolutely not Ray have they pointed to the midwives thinking that yeah.

Yeah. And and so, you know the what's shocking to me. They're more upset about that. Exactly. Exactly. Then they are the other and they're not even equally upset because one local East Texas pastor Lambasted me and said that I was doing setter fuge and it was sinful what I did.

It was evil and wicked and he said anybody ought to be able to just look at the site and see that there are problems. Well, the Kevin is else than anybody and he didn't see that there were problems and I'm telling you right now Had it was because I exposed that this group was LGBT affirming that that pressured Kevin is L and it was not until after that but all of a sudden they come out and give a Vague apology.

Now, then I did a second thing. I went back again a few minutes later I got a different person in the chat room and said could you point me to a transgender friendly church? That won't tell me I have to change.

Okay, first badness. Well, I suppose it.

Yeah, I I did I did. I probably should have put that zip code II. See if they would have done that. I didn't think quick. I didn't think quick enough, but I used Dallas area and sure enough and again, my specific question is I'm looking for a.

Can you point me to it help me fine because they had a church help help me find a church. I said help me find a church. That's a transgender friendly church who will not tell me I have to change so I received an email.

Within a couple of days and it said my name is so-and-so and I'm responding to your message about finding a church. That is transgender friendly. I would love to invite you to my church. Specifically the Dallas campus our church's motto is where no one walks alone and we mean it now.

People are upset there so that he's just inviting you to church. Well, let's remember that whoever this is got a message from he gets us that I was looking for and he that this person. You know because I used to say pseudonym was looking for a transgender friendly church.

That wouldn't try to say I needed to change so do I know that that's the person got that exact message. No, I don't know that but they definitely used the word. I hear you're looking for a transgender friendly church.

So they got that in part. I'm surprised that they didn't get the rest of it. The person offers me no gospel. You know, hopefully that church would give the gospel. But that church should be ashamed of being a part of a group like this.

Everybody said that's a solid church. It's a the grant the pastor's a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. Well, so am I but I wouldn't join with he gets us and it didn't take me five minutes to find the theological airs there.

Yeah, so if you're gonna link yourself to a ministry like that and then that ministry comes out to be transgender friendly then. You ought to be concerned about that church because there's no discernment in that church, right?