The SBC: Revoice, Posture Shift, He Gets Us Campaign and Homosexuals Baptizing at FBC Orlando

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today

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I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast now this as you might have already noticed if you looked at The particulars of this video is a longer podcast than what

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I typically do But there is a lot in here I'm going to be talking to Casey Butner the pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida As well as Tom Buck pastor of First Baptist Church Lindale, Texas and we're gonna cover an awful lot of ground here

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So some of the things that we're going to talk about we're going to be talking about The revoice conference, which is a kind of a gay affirming quote -unquote

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Christian conference posture shift Which is a curriculum that that has been used by First Baptist Church Orlando and any number of other churches

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To change their posture shift their posture as the name implies towards LGBTQ people going to be talking to Tom Buck about the he gets us campaign you've probably seen some of these commercials on television and We're gonna be talking about the

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North American Mission Board and I am North American Mission Board primarily But NAM's Connection to the he gets us campaign and all of the issues with that and there are a lot of them

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Also, we will be talking about the latest update with First Baptist Church, Orlando not only baptizing homosexuals, but actually having a homosexual baptize someone else in the church's own baptistry and The obvious concerns that are there so there is a lot here

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I'm going to have down below in the description a link to Only one or two links to a couple of videos that I've done that are pertinent to some of the background information

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For this podcast as well as stay tuned to the very very end the telltale end even after my closing logo that will have a special announcement of an upcoming conference that you might want to To come join us for if you're able to do so.

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So Down below in the description. Not only is that link to that video, but also timestamps

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For the different sections in this video because it's a lot of it So if you want to come back later or go to a particular point

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You'll find the timestamps down below there that will help you navigate this video

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There are some difficult things that we talk about Here that Casey and Tom and I talk about and I know

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I speak for these two pastors and brothers friends of mine that we do so purely out of concern and love for those involved and those who will potentially be

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Involved or affected by these issues. So thank you very much dear ones without any further delay.

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Here we go Casey brother, thank you so much for joining me for another installment here

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Yes, sir. Thank you for having me back Justin. Yeah, absolutely Well, I think I speak for both of us when when

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I say that this is not something that you and I want to do Wish it was not necessary to do in the first place but but there is a lot going on in the

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SPC and specifically First Baptist Church, Orlando, but Is indicative of kind of the broader

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Southern Baptist Convention in general the things that are going on the capitulation to the world and specifically to the

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LGBTQ movement and all that so in Casey, there's a conference called the revoice conference that has been going on for several years and The revoice conference.

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I'm just going to show a screenshot from their mission statement And it says their mission is to support and encourage gay lesbian

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Bisexual and other same -sex attracted SSA. Sometimes people will see that acronym

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Christians as Well as those who love them so that all in the church might be empowered to live in gospel unity

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While observing the historic Christian doctrine of marriage and sexuality So this is a conference that claims to be

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Christian Claims to have a biblical view of sexuality and marriage and yet in their home mission statement

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They talk about gay lesbian bisexual Christians, which is a contradiction in terms so talk to us a little bit about the revoice conference and Posture shift.

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So tell us what posture shift is and the connection between those two Sure, and obviously, you know, we side with Scripture right away first John 1 8 if we say that we have no sin

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We are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. So You cannot claim to be a gay

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Christian so the revoice conference is contraire from the very beginning Now the revoice conference is what it is

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Everybody knows what it stands for if you watch just some of the videos there it speaks for itself

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So that is there but on the conservative side of things there's a connection that's bringing that false ideology into conservative churches and turning the dial

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Transforming them in a negative way and posture shift is one of those means now

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I've mentioned before that I don't seek after this stuff, but if it comes my way then

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I don't shrink back and so Lots of folks have come to me who have been trained by posture shift and They've given me their manuals and they've told me look through this my heart is just aching at the missy illogical approach to Inclusivism and so I'll just let you read for yourself the mission statement there for posture shift and these these manuals these course handbooks were

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From they are from First Baptist, Orlando They're from their staff. They're from their volunteers they're from their leadership there and then they were told not to tell anybody that they went through this training now, that's

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Okay the bombshell yeah, I don't I don't want people to miss that so these individuals from inside First Baptist, Orlando Came to you again.

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You didn't seek this out. They came to you and they gave you these manuals posture shift And they both told you that they were told by the church

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Not to tell anyone that they Went through this and the church is using this

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Yeah, and so now they're put in a position to where like why are we doing something at the church that we can't

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Herald, but we can't tell that we can't you know, just be authentic and real about well Right here inside the manual got handwritten notes from these folks

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I'll read you some of what the print says in the manual loving LGBTQ plus people in the church

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We help church leaders enhance care and inclusion of LGBTQ plus within a biblically sound

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Orthodox framework. Okay, so that's how it's staying how it starts and then right on the next page and that highlight here

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I'll read the highlight a gospel of exclusion has no power to reach already banished persons, so this is a gospel of inclusion not of exclusion and You tell me what the gospel is is it inclusive or exclusive is it

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Christ alone exclusive? Yes Exactly, and obviously you and I mean no harm at all to anybody if the gospel is going to be

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Exclusive which it is and we just simply proclaim the gospel at the Word of God do the work of regeneration in The people's hearts whom will be saved

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But to change the gospel means that this is a different Gospel, yeah, and I cannot bring enough weight to the fact that we must have spiritual discernment about us

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And this is the reason why people are coming. There's like this is there's something wrong with this Obviously doesn't pass the sniff test nor the doctrinal test.

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So what do we do about it? Well, obviously you need to call it out. In fact

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Like to read from the legacy first Timothy 4 6 and pointing out these things to the brothers

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You will be a good servant of Jesus Christ being nourished on the words of faith and of sound doctrine

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Which you have been following So it's just simply being faithful to point out that which is an error to keep whom you love safe And so some of the handwritten notes some of the things that we're taking from this training

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I'll just mention some it says you'll be called a heretic By taking this position.

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So and it also says that at the inclusion model Honors God it says that we're enhancing church inclusion

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We're increasing family acceptance and I mean

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I could literally read notes for an hour or more but notes on LGBTQ QIAAP plus people that second

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Q is for questioning and how to reach them It's saying that they have a predisposition

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Right and you need to include them to be a family. Well, our predisposition is sin, right?

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period Yeah To include that and to affirm that is sin

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Understanding that gender does not match the body's sex

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Is something that they taught Okay, say that again. So that's in the manual that's in the manual that No, this is handwritten notes at this particular part.

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So they were okay coached Understand that the gender that they feel may not match

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I'm to include this and so they go on to talk about Pansexual bisexual and or say

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I mean the list of Stuff goes on and on and on but so you're it's an inclusive gospel

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So you're including these people and this is the reason why we go back to like the prior videos as to how first Baptist, Orlando would justify baptizing a homosexual and placing them into service and getting them in the family and including them and with the language of trying to pacify

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Biblical Christians and saying oh we just we just want to get them around an atmosphere So that perhaps they will see the love of Christ and accept him

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So it's changing Missiology it's changing Ecclesiology is changing how we do church you you cannot baptize and condone someone who is living in open sin

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Basically, so this is a missy logical framework that includes those who would be so -called marginalized

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Just a couple more things before we move on They've been coached to think like missionaries to reach and keep the

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LGBTQ plus people and the components of a healthy missy logical framework include

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Community a sense of family meeting their needs listening to them and not correcting them learning rather than teaching the key word here is being humble and patient and then they add the word tolerant a whole lot and so Basically, this is another gospel that's using biblical terminology

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But changing things and this is the reason why it's so confusing So nevertheless you have this training and that's the reason why

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I mean The the title says it all it's a posture shift the posture that we take as biblical

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Christians Founded on the Word of God. It is unchanging and sufficient They're shifting away from that in changing things and this is the reason why folks have come and they have said man, we've watched the videos and in addition to what you've already said, we need to go back a few years and Let you know how this came about and I was blown away at how strategic

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This training was years ago Yeah Yeah, so so this is not a matter of just kind of you know, the

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Being a little careless and letting things slip, but this is a deliberate plan of action.

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This is a Something they're training their staff people and lay leaders presumably as well, right?

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so just to kind of make sure that people get the connections there's Connections between revoice and posture shift and if you want to get specific we can

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Nate Collins is one of those He was a speaker for both and he's a graduate of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Connected to both and he would believe that it's okay to be gay

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We could go on and on about the details, but we're not doing a documentary. We're just simply exposing the things that are happening

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Yeah, yeah, and this is a this is something that a church pays for they pay for the manuals

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They pay for the curriculum or whatever. And so it's in all likelihood. I mean, it's not just First Baptist, Orlando That's using this there.

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Who knows how many? Southern Baptist churches are using this yeah, exactly and so posture shift is is huge and And you think about something larger that's going on right now with this hundred million dollar campaign.

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He gets us. Yeah Tom Buck did a good job with exposing the fact that Kevin Ezell and NAMM partnered right away with this heretical movement and So he backed out, right?

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Well big deal that just shows that he's a pragmatist since he got a little bit of heat he backed out and he

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Apologizes or what? He meaning Kevin Ezell. Yeah, Kevin Ezell, right. All right.

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Well, dr Tom Buck pastor of First Baptist Church, Lindale, Texas Brother, thank you so much for joining me.

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How are you today? I'm doing good. Good to be with you Justin as always good good you as well you as well

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Okay, so Tom Casey and I Casey Butner and I talked have talked about the the revoice conference and the posture shift which you just told me before we started recording that you have purchased a copy of and you've reviewed you've seen you've seen all the problems with it and and Talk to us a little bit more.

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We mentioned that he gets us campaign, but talk to us a little bit more What is the he gets us campaign?

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Why is there such concern? with the connection to NAMM and You kind of expose some of this stuff.

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So how did all that come about? Well, the interesting thing is I was watching that football about three weeks ago and He gets this came commercial one of those commercials came up this first I'd seen of it

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And I saw it and I'm like this something's wrong with this So I went to the website and began looking around sure enough.

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It had Problems all over the place. I Entered into I went into the chat room even then asked some questions to you know to see where they were

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Theologically, and it was very sketchy. I even Reached out to my associate pastor one of my associate pastors gave use and said hey have you seen this?

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And so he was looking at it. We were examining some of the stuff So little did we know that, you know, three weeks later or so that Ed Stetzer and Kevin Ezell would be doing a webinar

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They did it on Wednesday. I believe Wednesday of last week. Not this week the week before promoting this whole thing

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And talking about this partnership that NAMM was having with them and I'll tell you it's really discouraging for me because I I Don't go looking for this stuff honest to goodness.

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It drops in my lap I don't have the time to go Look for these things by the way not to interrupt you

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That's exactly what Casey Butner said about all the stuff with First Baptist Orlando. He doesn't go looking for it

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It just people bring it to him. It just comes to him. Yeah Yeah, and so when

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I saw saw it, you know I'm like that he gets us and of course it'd been three weeks since I'd seen it. That's that's the same same campaign so I After I think

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I saw it on Thursday after the webinar had come out so less than 24 hours later I began going back to some of the pages that I had been on I didn't initially do any screenshots because I honestly

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The the campaign was so bad The website was so bad that I've ever dreamed

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That it would be something that the SPC would be involved with because it's so far outside the

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Baptist faith of message so I'll give you let me see if I give you example of a Couple of these things that I found so I found one of the things that that popped up for me was dealing with Jesus's anxiety, okay, so Jesus experienced anxiety and said like many people do this is directly from their website

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Jesus tried to escape to a favorite quiet place. I'll be glad to send you these clips even put them up to show people.

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Yeah It says a garden of old growth olive trees on the side of a mountain he even brought a few friends for emotional support

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I shouldn't laugh. I know it's it's it's some of its corny as well

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It's just bad theology, but overwhelmed with exhaustion. His friends couldn't stay awake as he pleaded with God to make his problems go away

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His problems away Yes That's what they say about Jesus going to the

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The garden yes, I mean the garden Gethsemane To pray when he says, you know father take this cup from me.

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Not my will yours be done. I mean No, and it says next sentence, but this was a petition.

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He knew wasn't going to be what wasn't going to be answered Jesus said his soul was green to the point of death.

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That's how he described Anxiety, he reportedly suffered

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Hematoid drosis, is that how you pronounce it? I'm not sure a rare condition caused by acute emotional stress where the sweat glands rupture causing them to excrete blood

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He tried to cope with his anxiety as best he knew how and just like many of us his coping mechanisms proved insufficient unbelievable

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No doubt. It's unbelievable So that's what they said about Jesus having anxiety in the garden now again all of this was accessible

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Kevin Zell we'll talk about in a minute should have known everything that was going on I think he did know what was going on.

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But anyway, so let me let me read another one. So I just pulled up three different three different Things that were there

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The second one I read Was he dot Jesus dined at the tables of the wealthy men whose riches were won with lies and corruption now

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This whole thing is to make Jesus a social justice warrior Okay So in order to in order because they've got

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Jesus as a refugee all of that kind of stuff So in order to make Jesus get us and that he was a social justice warrior.

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This is how they explain Him eat dining with sinners now both of you and I would both agree

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Jesus dined with people that the religious leaders Objected to him dining with because they were sinners, but it says he dined at the tables of the wealthy men

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Whose riches were won with lies and corruption? He crossed over racial boundaries to eat with people who did not look like him.

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Now, where is that? Jesus never ate with Gentiles Jesus At any time you he observed the law so what racial boundaries did he cross so you'll see they want to do whatever they can to Read totally telling it's a different Jesus so that they can make him social

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Social justice Jesus same name different person. Yeah now this met again.

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I only looked at three different articles I didn't even look at every single article. So there may be stepped on there Worse than this, but it's just what

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I quickly found and it was bad enough But here was the worst one I found of this this group some some

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Believe Jesus lived a perfect life for others. That's a stretch either way as We search for themes to share it became apparent to us that Jesus set a high bar for himself

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No, I mean, yes, I mean That's the money Stunning so it doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life

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They say either way, but what he did was set a high bar for himself either way Yeah, he just yeah, he just tried to give a hundred ten percent, you know,

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I mean Yeah, so here is there here is their description

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If I can find this this is from a okay So this is a an ad not an ad but an interview that they did of the guys who who did this whole we gets us campaign and it talks about McKendry that's one of the guys that was involved said he gets us has the same goal of playing the long game

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Says they asked him is the goal that people become Christians He said obviously

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But more importantly for now We need to raise the unbelievers level of respect for Jesus and then they'll move

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So he's saying we've got to help people see that they were if we get him to respect

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Jesus Then they'll move towards salvation. So this is beyond pragmatism

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Yeah, this is a false Jesus and they're inventing a false

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Jesus. So whatever Jesus they're moving to is Not the Jesus of the

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Bible. No, they're ashamed of the gospel Absolutely, they are ashamed out about it

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They've got to invent a social justice Jesus for this group you can you need to go look at some of the videos

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They have one video that they played there this weekend Interrupted my Tennessee, Alabama game which as a

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Tennessee fan. I was happy about that But it talked about Jesus and he didn't at the beginning that doesn't talk about you know

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You don't know it's Jesus if you don't know that that's what they're trying to do, but they talk about this gang leader and they show pictures of a clear tatted up gang leader and Okay, dear friends.

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I want to show you the video of which Tom was just speaking But before I do I want to show you some statistics just out of curiosity

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I went to the he gets us YouTube channel and And I was stunned by what

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I found now for comparison. I'm going to show you a screenshot of some of the

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Stats of the he gets us YouTube channel as compared to my channel. So let's look at this

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There's 34 uploads on the he gets us YouTube channel that means they've uploaded 34 videos for comparison at this point.

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I have uploaded 156 videos to my channel They have a little over 8 ,000 subscribers

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To their channel by comparison. I have a hundred and sixty six thousand subscribers, so I have about 21 times the number of subscribers to my channel as Does the he gets us

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YouTube channel? But look at the number of video views The he gets us channel has over three hundred and forty eight million views

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Compared to my channel, which has a little under 14 million views

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They have over 25 times The number of views on their channel as I do on mine despite the fact that I have 21 times the number of subscribers and What five times the number of videos?

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That is absolutely Stunning I could not Believe my eyes when

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I saw that. So what that shows is that This he gets us campaign is getting a ton of views millions upon millions upon millions upon millions of People are watching this so this false

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Jesus and false gospel is being broadcast to Untold numbers of people all around the world millions upon millions tens of millions

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Maybe over a hundred million now, presumably some people watch, you know

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This he gets us campaign is just Enormous and it's enormously troubling when you consider that this is a false

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Jesus and a False gospel and anyone who trusts in the Jesus of the he gets us campaign if they're trusting in that Jesus They will die dead in their sins and Go to hell for all of eternity.

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This is a big deal and it is Tragic that the Southern Baptist Convention the

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North American Mission Board and Kevin Ezell and Ed Stetzer Have decided this was a good idea a good thing to partner with just unbelievable a rebel took to the streets

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He recruited others to join him They roamed the hood and challenged authority

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Community leaders feared them Religious leaders abhorred them We have to get them off the streets.

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They said But they weren't part of a gang spreading hate and terror They were spreading love

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He had his street guys. He got off the street and and they were rabble rousers and so forth

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But they were not hurting people. They were helping people and and that's who Jesus was. He was a gang leader

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I mean seriously, it's just it's astounding a gang leader who Who gets a good gang together to do good to people and then they have another video where it pictures

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Mary Or this young girl talks about a young teenage unwed girl who discovers she's pregnant and she's all torn up distraught that's her hand so she's distraught that she's pregnant and but this guy comes along and and is willing to marry her and and That's how

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Jesus was born And then I mean, it's you know they take bits and pieces of truth and then they mold it and twist it like a pretzel into their poorly

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Thought -out theological or sometimes a radical Views, and of course, there's nothing necessarily radical about that.

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But what they're trying to do is make Mary like an unwed Pregnant girl that is distraught that she's got pregnant.

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So if you're in this situation, that's how Jesus Born and so I mean You you think about that you think about what they're implying and you carry that to its logical conclusion

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So a single unwed mother today who finds herself pregnant Okay, she got pregnant through a sinful act

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Right and they're gonna compare that to Christ that's exactly what they did

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Wow. I Have and that I have no that's that's one of the running commercials

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You know again, you can we'll try to get all these links so you can put them at the bottom of your and people can

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Go watch it Okay, so I wanted to watch this video as well. And so I found the one of which

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Tom was speaking Downloaded it and I'd like you to see it at least most of it

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There are parts that I think are inappropriate because it shows this young mother with Less clothes on fewer clothes on then she should have it's especially coming from a

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Christian quote -unquote Organization. So this is this is it and I just googled the you know

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Like the movie ratings icon or whatever on Google got an image of that To cover up the parts that I think are inappropriate.

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So here we go a Young girl had a boyfriend She got pregnant

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She was scared How could she face her parents What would they say?

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Can't hide something like that forever Her parents asked who the father was they assumed her boyfriend, but Baby wasn't his

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He loved her so much. He offered to help raise the child with her They married and found a small place

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They had very little money and no insurance

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One evening her water broke There wasn't time to get help

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He delivered the child and lay him in a manger So, I mean

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Lee at least he gets us is better than them they don't scrub stuff So, you know at least they have more integrity than the

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North American Mission Board, yes, so, you know, but anyway I digress so I I put those things up and immediately

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People started pushing back on They started pushing back on them as you might imagine

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In fact, I was amazed how quickly it was and I mean people that I was would was kind of surprised at That they got involved if you will and what

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I mean by surprise that is I thought that they might try to ignore it or Look the other way and because that's often what happens in the

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SPC now I'm not going to mention their names because you know, I'm not gonna throw them around the bus but these are some individuals that You know are actively involved at some level in SPC life

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Okay, and so they were concerned about this a beginning to some of them said things publicly Some of them said things to me privately

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I'm gonna try to pull up one of these things here that was said to me, okay Because I want you to again now, this is secondhand because they're telling me that this is what

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Kevin said but they reached out to Kevin and Said that Kevin said his motive was to promote

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Use this as an opportunity to promote for for good prospects and The other thing that Kevin said

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Was that he was going to do what he could He did think some of the language was sloppy on there and he was going to work

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Let me just quote here He agreed that there were some problems and that he would work to try to get some of those articles edited

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Okay So so if so, we know Try now you can't exit

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Exactly. Listen, this is the same thing Justin that we got with the living out stuff Yeah, so this is almost identical to that.

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Yeah, because I pointed out the problems with living out They said well, we just need you know, you're misunderstanding them.

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We need to clean up some of the articles and then I did that series and I and I and I went on the living out website and went to their

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Portal where you could send messages and I sent a message to them. I used a pseudonym

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They said on the website that we're trying to reach, you know, the target was a 15 year old 50 year old boys They kind of that was kind of their demographic

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So I said, I'm a 15 year old boy who would like to know how do I think about? being same -sex attracted and they point they pointed me to this ministry people would go look at this at the article that I did on this and And where I went and read where they pointed me to what living out pointed me to Talked about going to gay bars and going to new beaches as a way to cope with this stuff

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So once I exposed that the LGBT issue That's when you're all see through its hands up and backed out quietly.

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Okay, you're gonna see the very same thing happened here Identically almost down almost to the

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T Happened with one with name so I put up the bad articles They say yeah, they're a little sloppy

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Kevin's going to Try to get these edited Which and I think that's what they would have done

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I think they would have used that kind of thing and tried to stay in the program So I decided that I went to their website again

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He gets us they had a place where you could ask questions. And so I said, that's what I'm gonna do

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I'm going to ask some questions and see what kind of answer that I get so I I went to two different people.

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I have screenshots as this as well It's been up on the Internet But I said I keep being told by some

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Christians that Jesus wouldn't accept me because I'm gay. Okay Good. So, okay.

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I say that And the person responds back Jesus loves and accepts everyone and then

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I say Back to this same person Well, so you don't agree with my friends

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I don't have to stop being gay to be a Christian and the person said as for my perspective

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No, Jesus don't judge about that Jesus don't judge about that Yep, the ology.

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That's typically what was said Yep so Again, that's their official site

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There are some people that are angry at me and say that I'm a liar and I lie and I deceive these people

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I used to sue them. Yes, I Asked a question of what someone who would ask who claims that they're a gay

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Christian I You know people have to judge one way or the other where they they feel that what

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I did was sinful But I've spoken to several pastors whom I trust Who said absolutely not

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Rahab. They pointed to the midwives thinking that yeah. Yeah And and so, you know, but what's shocking to me?

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They're more upset about that Exactly. Exactly Then they are the other and they're not even equally upset because one local

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East Texas pastor Lambasted me and said that I was doing setter fuge and it was sinful what

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I did It was evil and wicked and he said anybody ought to be able to just look at the site and see that there are problems

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Well, the Kevin is else than anybody and he didn't see that there were problems and I'm telling you right now

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Had it was because I exposed that this group was LGBT affirming that that pressured

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Kevin is ailing me. It was not until after that and all of a sudden they come out and give a

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Vague apology now, then I did a second thing. I went back again a few minutes later I got a different person in the chat room and said could you point me to a transgender friendly church?

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That won't tell me I have to change Okay, first members. Well, I suppose it

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I Did I did I probably should have put that zip Cody see if they would have done that I Didn't think quick I didn't think quick enough, but I used

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Dallas area and sure enough and again, my specific question is

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I'm looking for a Can you point me to it help me find because I've had a church help help me find a church

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I said help me find a church. That's a transgender friendly church who will not tell me

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I have to change so I received an email Within a couple of days and it said my name is so -and -so and I'm responding to your message about finding a church

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That is transgender friendly. I would love to invite you to my church Specifically the

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Dallas campus our church's motto is where no one walks alone and we mean it now

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People are upset there so that he's just inviting you to church Well, let's remember that whoever this is got a message from he gets us that I was looking for and he that this person

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You know because I used to say pseudonym was looking for a transgender friendly church that wouldn't try to say

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I needed to change So do I know that that's the person got that exact message No, I don't know that but they definitely used the word.

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I hear you're looking for a transgender friendly church So they got that in part. I'm surprised that they didn't get the rest of it.

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The person offers me no gospel You know, hopefully that church would give the gospel

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But that church should be ashamed of being a part of a group like this. Everybody said that's a solid church

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The grant the pastor's a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary Well, so am I but I wouldn't join with he gets us and it didn't take me five minutes to find the theological heirs there so if you're gonna link yourself to a ministry like that and then that ministry comes out to be transgender friendly, then

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You ought to be concerned about that church because there's no discernment in that church, right? Whatsoever Right.

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So the the next day so this was all on Thursday When I'm pointing this stuff out

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The next day Nam releases a statement and again, you can put that up for people that want to see that And at first I'm like, thank you that you pulled away.

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I was glad kind of like when living ERLC did the same thing and it pulled out of living out

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But after I resonated on the statement and went back and looked again at it meditate on a little bit

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And what Kevin said was the reason that they pulled out is because this group after upon further examination

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This group is too broad for us. Now. What is it? I'm like, what does that really even mean? What he should have said is this group is teaching a false gospel is teaching a false

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Jesus Yeah, I I should have seen this I I didn't see this.

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He did say it was on him It's on me, you know, that's true It was but yet he he makes it as palatable as possible.

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And then everybody and their brother praises Kevin for being Forthright. Well, then we find out on Sunday.

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So this is on Friday. He releases a statement I think about it more I stay on Saturday.

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He should have Kevin should have said more than that and then this past Sunday, which is the next day after that we discovered that the

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SBC logo is On the he gets us page and the person that discovered that I Think is

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I think is what used to be Reformation Charlotte. There's been so many people that have been involved in this So I think that's

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Jeff Maples. I think he's the one who found it Okay, and he tweeted about it and I went and looked it up and I took a screenshot from the website and The sponsors were the

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Southern Revs Convention the Seventh -day Adventist the

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United Methodist the Church of God Prophecy something so it's a church of God in Christ or No, it was okay.

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I would have to pull it up. It's Church of God prophecy something and then the National Association of Evangelicals those were the

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Well, though those were the five sponsors and the SBC logo was first so I didn't say much about it on Sunday because I would you know was busy with the

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Lord's Day but I did comment to dissenter I think is the name of the the

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Twitter handle now and I said Yeah, I was shocked at this that the

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SBC was supporting it Someone then showed because they did one of these way back machines

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Whatever that is and they they found they saw that it went all the way back to March So all the way back in March So seven months ago, the

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SBC logo was on that he gets this website as being a as a being a partner Yeah, how do you how do you let something like this

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Go, how does that go undetected for seven months? I mean Tom, you don't you don't have to be

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Columbo to find this stuff. I mean, it's right I mean, you know, you know, it took you all of what a couple minutes on the website

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Some people say do you not have more time? You got too much time on your hands Do you not bear things do well if I if five minutes and here's the problem

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Justin I don't want to do this. I almost responded to them today in a survey They did but I didn't respond to because I thought this would just be too snarky

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But Nam said what's the favorite thing about being a pastor and and one of the things was other and you could write in it one of my favorite things about being a pastor is to be able

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To do my job to love my church to preach the word disciple people While those who we pay in the

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SBC would do their job so that we don't have to do this kind of stuff Kevin is they always paid

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I has to be six figures Okay, so let's just say six figures and I'm not saying

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I'm not saying he doesn't deserve that if he was doing his job But he's paid well enough to be able to take the two minutes that people shouldn't be upset that I took two minutes of my

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Church's time. Yeah, they should be upset that I had to take two minutes of my church's time to go.

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Look at this That's what Kevin is L and his massive amount of staff

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He couldn't get an intern to go look at this He couldn't get somebody to go look at this site

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But you should have known there was a problem when he was partnering with Ed Stetzer there Yeah, I mean, there's no way that there's no way that that stretches credulity to believe that Kevin is

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L and Ed Stetzer Did not know of these glaring issues.

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This this is this is not high -level discernment stuff here. This is ground level No, this is basically one

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It's not splitting hairs, no, it's the very essence of the person of Jesus Christ Yes, it's who he is.

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And if there's no biblical Jesus There's no biblical Christianity. And that's why I said publicly the problem with he gets us is they don't get

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Jesus, right? And so you can't you can't partner with a group like that, but Kevin tried to make it sound like all we were trying to do or He didn't make it sound like all we're trying to do was give people an opportunity to have a partnership

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With to you know with it this campaign was going to go on anyway With us with or without us and so we wanted to to do what we could

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To be able to get some of those phone calls. All we were doing was getting phone calls Now that's what he said publicly that they were just partnering to take phone calls and help that So that's what we heard on on Friday.

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And then on Sunday, we found out the logo was there Well by Monday morning when I post publicly about it, guess what that he gets this website have been scrub

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What like with a cloth or something? Somebody from the SPC got a hold of gets us he gets us and overnight after seven months

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It's gone. It disappears So, yep, and so I call out the the

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SPC executive committee publicly because I'm like Wouldn't they have to prove the

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SPC not the name logo the SPC logo used Yeah, the executive committee denied they said never heard of it never partnered with him that with them none of that This was all on Monday So on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday, I kept asking publicly who is involved in this did he gets us just do it themselves.

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I Could not get an answer for me Now the interesting thing is I asked the

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United Methodist Church publicly I said, are you all partnered with them? And they answered a couple of hours publicly,

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I Don't give a penny to United Methodist and and wouldn't help any

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But they they answer and and tell us what you know that no, we were not partnering with him, but now wouldn't even respond

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It's it's stunning And I put up the same picture where the UMC logo was on there.

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So today Someone got a hold of the entire webinar I guess, you know because it had been taken down, but somebody had recorded it and somebody put it up And so I watched that it's absolutely clear that Kevin is hell knew everything that was going on in fact

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And that it was a partnership Because I put up the clip today You can see it on my

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Twitter feed where that they they say And now we're going to talk to Kevin Hazell from NAM and talk about we're so glad to have

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NAM partnering with us This is he gets us people They're partnering with us and and that they have their and NAM is how it has its own hub

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We're gonna have its own hub on the he gets us website So they not only we're gonna have the logo on there

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There was going to be a hub on the he gets this website that was directly linked to NAM Joining us as your host today is

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NAM president Kevin Hazell and we're grateful to have you with us today Kevin Thank you,

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Christy. It's a thrill to be a part of it and at NAM everything we do is about the gospel and That's what excites us most about this particular campaign.

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There are two over 281 million people who do not have a relationship with Jesus approximately and That's what excites us most about the he gets us campaign and also

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I'm very excited to always have my very good friend Ed Stetzer with us today

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He's gonna really walk us through this process and Ed, would you mind just sharing a little bit about how your connection to he gets us?

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Yeah, I'm glad to do it. Thanks Kevin. Good to see you the he gets us campaign is actually the most significant national effort

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This media campaign to really help foster a conversation about Jesus, so I'm technically on sabbatical

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I'm not very good at sabbaticaling, but I'm I'm actually here in Oxford University teaching for the we say fall

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They say autumn, but I'm actually taking the time because I think this is such a significant moment I've retooled a lot of my sabbatical time to really help people talk about and get engaged

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In the he gets us campaign and so on I'm happy to today to really partner and share with Southern Baptist leaders

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North America Mission Board and Beyond to share about what he gets us. There's the campaign and the campaign is something that the the folks the campaign comes from this

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Folks are given this 501 c3 donors are given this 501 c3 and they're working with Haven that's working with other groups to create these

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Really world -class ads and the ads aren't You know, they're not geared towards People in the church.

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They're geared towards people who are not in the church to hope help foster some conversations about Jesus So that's the campaigns raise the respect and relevance of Jesus call on Christians to reflect

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Jesus more authentically So I gotta interrupt here. He says the campaign Objectives of he gets us is to raise the respect and relevance of Jesus We've just seen that the

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Jesus of the he gets us campaign is a false Jesus and then to call on Christians to reflect

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Jesus more authentically By presenting a false Jesus. It's just you can't even make this stuff up And and how they love others

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Yeah so we're gonna unpack us a little bit because one of the things that we're doing is is we're providing a hub that because SPC churches want to get engaged involved this video sits on that will sit on that hub and And the way that the resources will be there you can actually

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You know see a mock -up, right? so but the idea is is that there'll be all the resources in a one -stop shop for people to If they want to like churches want to come they want to sign up and gonna engage some of the resources

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The some of the different resources will be there now There are some resources that we've created at the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center at the privilege where we're seeing that process from our team but also

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Resources that come from the North American Mission Board getting evangelism resources out to the churches as well

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So, let me talk to Kevin just a little bit about that And Kevin we I know we're because I've been

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I just spoke at a I don't know I mentioned another denomination I just spoke at another denomination the

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Evangelical Presbyterian Church and all they could talk about was three circles and who's your one so I do love how how

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NAM resources and are actually impacting and permeating different denominational traditions

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But there's some he gets us things are some Wheaton College Billy Graham Center things too But tell us some of the resources that will be available there from the

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North American Board. Sure every resource we have I mean, who's your who's your one three circles and many many others

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All we're trying to do is help churches engage people Now listen to this section where Kevin Ezell seems to Anticipate that some pastors once they look into the he gets us campaign will see obvious problems listen carefully to this because he seems to Kind of give it away here that he knows there are some problems with the he gets us campaign

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And that's why I encourage pastors. Look don't sweat it. You're like, oh man. I'm yeah, I'm nervous about this Then don't use it

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I would it's a tool that it's an incredible tool that we're not spending one

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Dollar for and so that's why I was like look if our pastoring today

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I'd use every opportunity I possibly could and it we're putting all the NAM resources on there but so we're just incredibly grateful that he gets us team as Including Southern Baptists in this allows to have a hub that will service

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Southern Baptists who want to participate Wow And then Kevin goes on and talks about how great this is

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Stetzer talks about what a great program it is Kevin says he wants to ask this is a great opportunity

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We're so thankful that he gets us for being willing to to include Southern Baptists in this and this will be great for Southern Baptist churches as conversation starters for evangelism and And then he says now some people are gonna have a problem with some of this stuff there

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This is for we point anything out. So he knew he knew He wouldn't say that right and he said and then he says this but those those people aren't really

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Don't care about evangelism. That's what he essentially says so those of us that have problems with it being said that Jesus has anxiety and He is coping mechanisms failed him when he was took his buddies to the garden who got too tired and sleepy

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So he could talk about his problems, right? That's how they describe Jesus this Jesus who doesn't matter whether he was perfect or not this

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Jesus who? who ate with people of different a different race and then he was of course

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We would understand that in our culture today We would we would obviously say

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Jesus should eat with people that don't look like him Right just like we should but in that day the Jews were separated from the

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Gentile so they just muddy the waters of everything and they take the the Framework of modern social justice and just put it on top of Jesus Yeah, and selling these shirts making him look like a thug all of these things.

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So there are serious problems at NAM You have the Southern Baptist Convention being linked to a theologically

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Vacant Heretical Theologically, it's it's void devoid of the gospel

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Theologically, it's it's here. It's a radical And I don't care whether NAM gave a money or not.

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I don't care whether the Southern Baptist gave the money or not What matters is they were partnering with them and they were headed down that road and had we not said anything publicly about it

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Your NAM church plants would have been steeped in this They would have been using it and somebody today and covered

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I think it was to center again and Because they went on and filled out a church for him to join You actually have to pay he gets us money

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For them to send you the names of people that contact them So you pay them so much a month and they'll send you names that call up on their commercials

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Because this is not NAM preaching the gospel and giving names that he gets us This is he gets us given a false gospel.

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And then if you're lucky mammals get some of those names It's not even remotely the same thing, right?

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It is a train wreck and the SPC needs to do something about this

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Kevin is L is off the rails and why he can do this stuff while the trustees sit back and do nothing is

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Beyond the pale This this is one of the worst things. I thought

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I'd seen it all from them But this is worse than women pastors there

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There's some women pastors that I've heard speak a true gospel. Okay, I've heard

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Benny He had preached the true gospel, but you know, so it's it's a bad ecclesiology women pastor issue

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This is on the same level or this is not even this is even different than then them partnering in First Baptist, Orlando because First Baptist, Orlando is is the one promoting the false gospel and NAM says well, we don't have any choice

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But to help them because remember so that's convention. We're gonna leave that up to the executive committee. I disagree with that I think

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NAM should pull the plug but this is a direct choice of NAM That Kevin is

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L entered into a partnership agreement with he gets us so this is worse than Women pastors being in church plants.

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This is worse than even them saying, okay We'll send money and let

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Orlando plant the church Because they're they're arguing, you know that the convention requires them to help cooperating churches.

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Our hands are tied. There's nothing we can do I don't agree with that but in this situation Kevin is

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L is willingly entering the partnership and promoting it to Southern Baptist Churches and Most likely putting the

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SPC logo up on the he gets us website It's got to stop and if it doesn't stop

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I don't trust anybody in the SPC now It's time for dr. Mohler to speak up. It's time for Danny Aiken to speak up.

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It's time for Every single one of the presidents to speak up for the executive committee to speak up and say enough is enough

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With Kevin is L doing whatever Kevin is L wants Yep, absolutely now that got the

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Gospels being damaged in a very direct way Absolutely. Absolutely But as you know

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Tom and SPC Numbers Casey and I talked about this you'll see it in the full video when you went when you watch it

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Numbers numbers is the golden calf of the SPC that's it's pragmatic

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They want numbers for the sake of numbers because it looks good in their reports, you know and and truth

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That's that takes a distant Backseat. Yeah, and you know just a little play on words there.

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We're acting like Israel in the book of Numbers. Yeah, you know We're not faithful right and God is going to judge us

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I think he already has Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, that's that's

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I cannot tell you how often those questions just Roll in my mind like do these people not?

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believe that one day they'll stand before a Risen Christ with eyes of flaming fire and feet of burnished bronze and have to give an account to him

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Do they not really believe and he'll and he'll have zero and he'll have zero anxiety Yes.

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Yeah when that day comes Jesus they will have I Told Tom on the phone later the

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Jesus of the he gets us campaign if you were to meet that Jesus in the airport He'd have an emotional support animal

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They will have anxiety and their and their coping mechanisms will fail them. I mean,

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I Have I'm fed up with it? And like I said today, it's the same pattern over and over again, whether it's the

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Ural Sea or Nam or whoever it may be They make they they unite themselves as SPC entity unites itself with a a doctrinally unsound organization

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Faithful SPC pastors discover it and expose it the SPC entity waits to see if it'll blow over Then when it does if it doesn't blow over They make a vague statement backtracking then everybody praises the

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SPC entity leader for having the integrity to back out of the bad agreement to begin with and the pastors who pointed it out are

01:00:03

Lambasted and accused of being troublemakers. That's that is the cycle in the

01:00:08

SPC right now and nobody cares Nobody cares. No, not that not not in the people who could do something

01:00:16

I call upon every trustee member of North American Mission Board to have the the intestinal fortitude and The moral integrity to stand up and say enough is enough with this stuff and to hold

01:00:30

Kevin is Accountable and what ultimately needs to happen is he needs to be removed.

01:00:36

This is not a rookie mistake this is a Veteran ongoing mistake that now has metastasized into one of the biggest egregious

01:00:49

Shameful things that's happened in SPC in a long time. This what there is so outside the

01:00:55

Baptist faith and message Why would they partner with somebody whose view on Jesus doesn't even remotely resemble what we have?

01:01:06

right Right and and the Bible is not unclear Tom about how we are to deal

01:01:12

With false teachers. They're not to be coddled. They're not to be partnered with there. We're not their hands

01:01:18

They are to be marked and avoided Romans 16 17 The evil deeds of darkness are to be exposed have nothing to do with evil deeds or darkness, but rather expose them right

01:01:29

You know first Corinthians 511 We're if there's any so -called brother who is, you know

01:01:36

Reviler fornicator adulterer all those things with such a right even to eat and I think that would include any

01:01:44

Organization that calls itself Christian yet has a different gospel has a different Jesus. Yeah Oh, this is worse than Joe.

01:01:51

This is worse than Joel Osteen I don't think Joel Osteen would say that Jesus I think he would say that Jesus was perfect.

01:01:57

Don't you? Yeah, yeah, no, he would So I'm not promoting

01:02:04

Joel Osteen. I'm just saying I'm trying to show how bad this is Joel Osteen I think would even say Jesus is perfect.

01:02:10

These people said it doesn't matter now Joel Osteen is going to preach next week with with with or without me, right?

01:02:16

He's going to preach whether I joined him or not. It's gonna happen Anyway, so maybe I should partner with Joel and see if he'll send me some of his his contacts

01:02:24

Nobody would do that. So to say that he gets us is gonna happen with or without us. So we might as well join them is the lowest form of Logic it's illogical in every respect, but that's what we have running

01:02:41

The man he is a pragmatist to the bones. Yeah Yeah, and God Tom God has ordained not only the end

01:02:51

But he has ordained his means to that end and you you can't sin in the means

01:02:59

To a desired end no matter how noble that end may or may not be

01:03:04

You can't sin in in the venue to get to it You know, I've I've gave this illustration one time to a friend of mine

01:03:12

I said, uh, let's suppose I could guarantee you an audience of of 10 million people and you could have their

01:03:20

Complete attention for an entire hour to just preach the gospel You have their complete undivided attention for full hour do nothing but preach the gospel to 10 million people but to do that you would have to Murder a child

01:03:38

To get to that end to have that opportunity. Would you do it? Of course not of course not no matter how good the desired end may be if you have to sin in the means to that end

01:03:51

Yeah It's sinful so right and we're not gonna murder the character of Jesus in order to get names

01:03:59

Right. What does that mean? Absolutely, right. That is not the

01:04:05

Jesus that the Bible presents. No and To remake a

01:04:10

Jesus is to make an idol. They made another God. They broke the The the commandment the first three commandments clearly in how they handled their treatment of Christ They painted for the world a different Jesus different So I you know, and I don't even care at this point if he gets us comes out says well

01:04:32

Yeah, we really do believe Jesus was perfect. Somebody said that they do believe that but that's not what they said

01:04:38

They said it it doesn't matter whether you believe that some people find it hard to believe Well, it most certainly does matter.

01:04:44

If Jesus was not perfect. He could not have been he could not have been the sacrifice of Atonement for us an imperfect.

01:04:53

Jesus does not save people perfectly This is such basic stuff

01:04:58

Tom. I mean, this is such a good stuff. How do you yeah Anybody any any man that cannot remember one or whatever cannot see the fundamental problems with this and and would not have

01:05:11

The do the due diligence to at least find them and there's no way I do not believe

01:05:18

That Ed Stetzer and Kevin Ezell did not know what the he gets us campaign is about.

01:05:24

I don't believe that not for us and and I think that the evidence of why you don't have to believe that is

01:05:31

Because they push the partnership for seven months at least You had Kevin Ezell admit that that there were some people that would find problems with the website but they just they just don't have a heart for evangelism, you know, if they do that and then he

01:05:47

According to the person that one of the people that talked to him He knew that some of those articles needed to be cleaned up and he was going to try to help do that Well, if if they need to be cleaned up to that level then

01:05:58

I would think you do that in the seven months Before months before you promote it for seven months.

01:06:04

Yeah, and before you launch a video telling everybody to get involved. Yeah I Mean, I pray to God that nobody saw that webinar and signed up their church for it

01:06:13

And there are people that are gullible enough to just believe that whatever the

01:06:18

SPC recommends or nam recommends They should do Well, yeah, of course And because because they want to trust, you know, most pastors they want to trust their

01:06:30

SPC leaders They don't want to take the time to go through the website there That they should right because I shouldn't give anything to my church that I haven't looked at either but you know,

01:06:40

I Think they they don't want to have to spend the time doing that. So they just trust their leaders

01:06:47

And we're gonna have that in our church, right if I if I give something or say school teachers most of them are not going to Dig deep as deep into it and they might come across something later

01:06:58

If they have a question if there were if there were something was agreed just or an error but they're not going to go through that with a fine -toothed comb because they're trusting that the reason that we're their pastors or shepherds is to Protect the flock and we're not going to give them poison.

01:07:12

My kids shouldn't have to sit down at the table and Test the food.

01:07:17

They shouldn't have to have a food taster like a king That they could mom and dad might give up poison.

01:07:23

No, they're trusting that I'm giving them food. That's not going to kill them Yeah, well, we should be able to do that with with their leaders

01:07:31

Yeah, and if I have to go through and comb through every single doctrinal statement or Teaching that's on a website when the

01:07:42

SPC has told me that I can use it and should use it. I Can't trust them anymore.

01:07:48

I don't want anything to do with that and no Southern Baptist Church at this point

01:07:53

Should trust Kevin is they'll or the North American Mission Board for anything

01:07:58

No, because we know they haven't been honest about the women pastors We know that they're not being honest about their partnership with FBC Orlando.

01:08:07

And now we know that they Have linked up to a group that totally distorts the gospel of Jesus Christ.

01:08:15

Yeah Yeah, they he has a track record I mean, there's there's a as he has a track record of proving himself to not be trustworthy.

01:08:24

So Absolutely, and I hate listen it does not do me any because not give me any pleasure to say that This is not

01:08:34

I don't have any animosity towards Kevin is L But folks, this is the gospel.

01:08:42

This is Jesus Christ If you care at all about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ You should want to get rid of somebody who out of leadership

01:08:50

Who has put forth a false Christ if you have any love for Jesus if you have any loyalty

01:08:56

For it for the gospel of Jesus Christ Then you must not tolerate this and and you must not overlook it and I hope he repents

01:09:05

He should but part of repentance at this point should be to say that he needs to step aside

01:09:10

If any pastor did this he should step down from his office because he was derelict in his duty over and over and over Yeah, yes over and over and over this is not the first thing so Yeah, but it's probably the worst thing up to this point.

01:09:27

Yeah, and that's that's that's a mouthful. That's a mouthful. Yeah. Yeah Well, yeah,

01:09:34

Kevin Eazell and Ed Stetzer both have proven themselves to be untrustworthy kept well Ed Stetzer is

01:09:40

I mean, he's the same guy who knew about Kevin excuse me, Alex Malarkey the boy who claimed to have gone to heaven

01:09:47

Right. He knew that Alex Malarkey had rescinded that story. I had email exchanges with him

01:09:54

I told him this and and he blew it off back when he was on the one of the

01:10:00

On staff at Lifeway, you know one of the higher -ups at Lifeway and anyway, then the story made international news

01:10:07

Right seven months after this in life where he comes out and said, oh, we just learned about this

01:10:13

We're gonna pull the you know, few remaining copies that we have on our so pull them off the shelves, you know I'm learning about this.

01:10:18

That's a flat -out lie. It's a flat -out lie. So he's got a track record Yeah, and you know, it's bad enough.

01:10:26

I forgot Malarkey's first name. What is his first name again? Alex is the boy Alex Alex. Yeah, it's it's it is shameful enough that Ed Stetzer Would essentially use

01:10:40

Alex for his own purposes in order to claim that he's trying to win people for Christ so he'll take a young boy like that who obviously has

01:10:51

The physical issues that he has what he's suffered and dealt with in life But there is something worse and that's taking

01:10:59

Jesus Christ and doing that. Yeah. Yeah And so he was willing to use

01:11:04

Alex as a prop in order to further his own agenda yeah, and now he's willing to take the name of Jesus Christ and To allow it to be distorted while he's claiming that this gives us opportunity for people to like Jesus And to feel comfortable with Jesus, but a

01:11:25

Jesus that's not in Scripture. It breaks my I don't get it It's hard for me to even understand because I do not see how a faithful Christian Could do such a thing.

01:11:36

I don't see how a Christian could do such a thing No, I certainly I certainly can't see how someone who is

01:11:44

You know at Wheaton College at being a pastor at Moody Church Who has been on lifeway?

01:11:52

Why does anybody even listen to this man anymore? He has no integrity no credibility whatsoever and now we're at a point where this

01:12:01

I am righteously indignant at this And I pray that I don't stand and how

01:12:09

I respond to it be angry and do not sin But I'm not gonna

01:12:14

I'm not letting the Sun go down on the cause of my anger regarding this. This needs to be exposed

01:12:20

And and let the heretic who is passed on heresy do it no more You know, it not let the thing who still still no more, but they they need to stop it

01:12:29

They need to stop doing this stuff They need to start giving a pure gospel and then they need to do something that can be shared with others

01:12:37

That will actually lead them to Christ Yeah, you know, I I saw it earlier from I think it's

01:12:43

James 5 11 James 5 11 says that Wisdom from above is first of all pure and then peaceable

01:12:50

Mm -hmm, and I've often said you cannot have purity without or cannot have peace without purity

01:12:56

Yeah, and the reason there's so much a lack of peace in the SBC is because there's a lack of purity.

01:13:03

Yeah Yeah, and they're you know, the big People are always talking about unity unity.

01:13:09

We need unity Well any unity that you have it that comes at the expense of truth is a false unity

01:13:17

That's an illusion. That's a facade So there is no unity that comes at the expense of truth unless you want to be unified in error.

01:13:26

But so It's a shame. It really is a shame Well Tom, thank you

01:13:34

Thank you, brother for walking us through all this. I was very helpful. I learned a lot of learn some stuff I didn't know so Thank you any any closing thoughts well,

01:13:45

I Think let me say this because I didn't say it in in obviously and what I was talking about still stand by everything

01:13:50

I've said, but we need to pray for Kevin Zell and we need to pray for for Ed Stetzer We need to pray that the

01:13:56

Lord will bring them to repentance That they will not be held Captive any longer by Satan because I think that's to do his will

01:14:05

I think that's exactly where they are right now I know that's the strong statement Now, I know that people will say it says correct them in gentleness and I encourage people to go look at that word gentleness

01:14:15

That's used in the Sermon on the Mount. It's used in 2nd Timothy that word literally with meant

01:14:23

As they talked about the Martin Lloyd -Jones talks about this that it it taught it means to be angry about the right things at the

01:14:30

Right time to not be angry about the wrong things at the wrong time. It's having a right Frame in which you you address something

01:14:39

So it's not being in gentleness is not that we never speak sternly or strongly or or directly

01:14:47

Jesus did that. I don't think Jesus was gentle at sometimes but then at other times he was stern

01:14:52

Now, I think he was gentle in both situations. He gave the right amount of force to every single situation

01:14:58

Yeah, and that's where that's what gentleness is. Gentleness is not some soft tone

01:15:05

Mealy -mouthed effeminate type of way of talking about things It is a it's the right amount of force for the situation at hand

01:15:16

That's not steeped in unrighteous anger But there's a place for righteous indignation and when we are righteously indignant and we give the right amount of force to something

01:15:27

That is gentleness. And so we need to we need to correct these men with gentleness

01:15:33

We need to pray for them that God would grant them repentance so that they will no longer be held Captive to do the devil's will

01:15:40

Yeah, amen. Amen to that. And if they're truly repentant, I'd say this because I've said it about other false teachers that have dealt with true repentant real repentance bears real fruit and Tangible fruit and so if they're truly repentant

01:15:57

In my estimation And I think you've already said it if they were truly repentant then the fruit that that would bear

01:16:04

But they would realize that because of their track record they've they've lost credibility and they're not in a position to lead and so they would resign and Step down because they're not

01:16:15

They don't have the credibility. They don't have the qualifications to do what they're currently doing.

01:16:20

They did not step down All right, well, thank you brother, thanks brother love you and appreciate your ministry you as well you as well

01:16:31

Tom Thank you so much. God bless you do so I appreciate

01:16:36

Tom Buck and his Twitter feed and it's you know exposing all these things and keeping it public because Let me tell you

01:16:42

Kevin Eazell is going to have it handed to him here pretty soon because this Lawsuit with McCraney is coming to a head and the facts are coming to the surface

01:16:53

McCraney has been encouraged to settle outside of court And also he has made it public that he would be willing to settle outside of court for the things that Kevin Eazell has done to him through the

01:17:05

North American Missions Board But now I would like to say to him as well as for some advice that I got earlier today

01:17:11

That McCraney should not settle outside of court because that would let Southern Baptist down.

01:17:17

He would say no we need Resolution here. We need to know dams finances and what they're doing eat all of this stuff exposed.

01:17:24

So Kevin Eazell is Going to have some facts To deal with here in the next year in my opinion because the lawsuit can't be

01:17:35

Delayed over and over and over forever and now that's coming up here pretty soon So I'd keep your eyes in your ears

01:17:42

You know feel for this this is I mean like we said before Folks have had a hard time swallowing the facts that we have mentioned and they're like, ah, this can't be happening

01:17:53

There's there's there's no way and we've said very clearly it is happening and the truth will continue to rise to the surface

01:18:00

And that's the only reason why I bring that up is because more and more keeps coming up.

01:18:06

And so how much Do folks need to be able to see what is true?

01:18:13

Okay, the North American Mission Board and Southern Baptist connected themselves with this

01:18:19

He gets us campaign how much discernment does it take to recognize that that's a heretical movement?

01:18:25

Yeah, I mean, it's it's You don't have to be Columbo to figure out that he gets us campaign is thoroughly heretical

01:18:34

I mean, it takes you all about 10 seconds on a Google search just go to their website and it's just Patently obvious that this is an aberrant movement this aberrant organization that is that is not even

01:18:47

Loosely tied to historical Christianity not and not in any meaningful sense not in an orthodox sense.

01:18:53

So in in Kevin Eazell and Nam the North American Mission Board had

01:18:59

Tom Buck not exposed this They'd be rocking along just fine to this day, you know, like nothing's amiss though, so Have you ever heard it said that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still still?

01:19:15

So exactly, right. That's true. And you know when it comes to Ecclesiology and how you do church.

01:19:22

Here's the thing What we're calling for is discernment from people to take a look at how a church actually does its ministries

01:19:32

And the philosophy of preaching the philosophy of ministries and missions When you look at a church, by example

01:19:39

One of the flagship churches in the Southern Baptist Convention is First Baptist, Orlando a stone's throw away from here

01:19:46

The reason why we're talking about First Baptist, Orlando so much is because we have the facts

01:19:51

But it typifies the direction and the convictions of the Southern Baptist Conviction conventions now if Kevin Eazell hadn't gotten some heat from he gets us

01:20:02

I believe with all of my heart that the partnership with the world

01:20:08

Would have been taken on by churches like First Baptist, Orlando because it's the popular thing to do

01:20:14

But James 4 4 says you make yourself an enemy of God if you partner with the things of the world but this is the philosophy in the

01:20:22

Southern Baptist Convention and this is By and large what's being demonstrated on a large scale now if not

01:20:30

Everybody is given to pragmatism, but those families who are inside of churches who have these churches that are members of churches who are pragmatic

01:20:40

My thing is here open your eyes. Look for example at whom First Baptist, Orlando had in the the preaching

01:20:48

Hour on worship for you for Sunday morning here as of recent They prostituted the preaching of Word of God for comedy and the comedy was grotesque

01:20:59

Within the first couple minutes this gentleman went right into taking people who are in the house of God looking for the purity of the

01:21:08

Word of God right into thinking about an Immoral place and yeah, we're immoral things happen

01:21:15

We're gonna have some fun today. I'm already I got jokes already popping in my head right now. It's gonna be awesome

01:21:20

We're gonna have some fun. We're gonna laugh. Some people think that you shouldn't laugh in church My response to that is always what good father doesn't want to hear his children's laughter in his house

01:21:31

So we get to laugh. It's gonna be fun. I was hanging out with Pastor David Earlier or yesterday.

01:21:37

He took me out to eat. It was awesome. What was that place Hooters? Oh, that's right. It was amazing

01:21:44

I'm just playing I didn't go one by itself, man And it was it was a joke but but still

01:21:55

I mean, this is This is Sunday morning where you're you're up to Exposit the holy emphasis upon holy scriptures and you're immediately putting images and in people's minds and taking them down to the gutter

01:22:07

And what's so what's even worse than that Casey? I mean you could you could some might say oh well

01:22:13

You know David youth didn't know that this comedian was gonna say that okay me

01:22:18

Probably didn't but it's on their YouTube channel right now. They didn't even go in and clip that part out

01:22:25

It's like yeah, no big deal. You know, this is fun. This is fun.

01:22:30

Yeah, just You know love must be sincere hate. What is evil cling to what is good?

01:22:37

This is the very basics of Christianity and We just simply cannot stand to see good people being deceived and what for?

01:22:49

Yeah, in case for those who might say because your church has left the SPC. I Have not been in the

01:22:56

SPC for 12 years. I was born and reared SPC But I left it 12 years ago and someone say well you guys are out of SPC.

01:23:05

Why do you care? Why are you still picking on SPC? because People, you know, we're not bringing to light heresy in Heterodoxy in like the

01:23:16

Episcopal Church United Methodist Church. I mean those are apostate mainline

01:23:22

Protestant dominant you expect heresy there you expect Southern Baptists claim to be people of the book claim to have a high view of Scripture claim to have conservative theology and yet we are seeing capitulation to the world on so many levels but especially this

01:23:40

You know with LGBTQ stuff that five years ago nobody would have ever dreamed

01:23:46

SPC would be Compromising on and yet they are and there and there are some good

01:23:53

Pastors left in the SPC. There are some of them are friends of mine They're good guys, and they have a high view of Scripture, but I tell you what it is.

01:24:02

It is getting so bad in the SPC we're we're soundly alarmed to To reach the sheep that are that are still in these churches and hopefully open their eyes to To what's going the house is on fire

01:24:16

Yes, the house is on fire and I I'll speak for myself here

01:24:22

I believe that the SPC is under the judgment of God. I think this is what judgment looks like and It's time for the good guys the good churches to get out

01:24:34

You know, I don't you don't want to be holding on to a ship That God himself is sinking and I think that's what's happening with SPC Yeah, you know

01:24:46

We're just simply being faithful for what Paul told Timothy to fight the good fight of faith To continue on some have shipwrecked their faith

01:24:54

We get that but good sheep do not need to feel like they need to stay in these atmospheres

01:25:00

And nor do they need to give to these cooperative program means

01:25:05

I'm getting Endless emails From associate pastors who were saying my senior pastor doesn't get it

01:25:13

He defends the SPC and he won't even talk about it getting emails from Sunday school and Bible study teachers

01:25:20

Who say Casey? I I see it clearly But my church is sold out for the cooperative program and the list goes on and on and on They're asking me where do

01:25:32

I send my giving because I just can't in good conscience continue to sin And they asked me questions about ma 'am and the

01:25:39

IMB and I'm only able to give them the information has been given to me I have missionaries who have left the

01:25:46

International Mission Board call me and They're in Asia.

01:25:52

They're in China. They're in Africa They've said we have left and raised our own support and in doing that this is a common theme that they have felt like the

01:26:03

IMB has made it out to where they'll never be able to return to missions again if they resign and leave

01:26:10

But what they're finding is that when they go back home and they stand for righteousness

01:26:16

That they're able to raise their own support and there are a lot of churches right now who are shifting their giving from the cooperative program to individual missionaries and Taking on individual missionaries and supporting them with the hopes of the future of going on mission with their own missionaries and bringing them back for personal testimonies and this is truly a

01:26:40

Phenomenal thing because it is igniting the spirit of missions back within the local church rather than just paying and sitting

01:26:48

So this is a great thing and the facts are there So the the whole thing right now is just something that obviously

01:26:56

I left the Southern Baptist Convention and Our church voted unanimously to leave the

01:27:02

Southern Baptist Convention as well. And there's that's a long process That's not just a knee -jerk thing and I'm proud of the churches that have also contacted me and say

01:27:13

Casey we went through this process of educating our people and And we spoke with each

01:27:19

Sunday school class individually or leadership individually went through a you know a good process of educating them and When we were ready, we voted as well and we were surprised at how unanimous the vote was and so I've got the emails

01:27:33

I've got the facts. I've got the churches. But again just to spare us the time I'm just saying that there are a lot of churches that are leaving the

01:27:42

Southern Baptist Convention. This whole thing is hemorrhaging churches and They are becoming more biblical and on fire for the

01:27:49

Lord Case after case after case as to why we should be more biblical in the way that we're doing church and missions here

01:27:57

So nevertheless, I yeah work hard at the truth I value the truth

01:28:03

The truth is the most important thing and it'll set you free and since we have voted as a church to not be

01:28:08

Southern Baptist And I'm no longer constrained by all of that. I truly feel a lot freer

01:28:15

It is amazing You don't really realize what you're under until you get out from underneath it.

01:28:23

Yeah, I know when you think at it Objectively, you're like wow Yeah because you're free from the political entanglements and losing sleep over what the

01:28:34

SPC is doing and how you're gonna fix it how you're gonna write the ship and then and you just do church, you know you just Do church so it is a it is a very freeing thing

01:28:44

Yes, it absolutely is Casey you were telling me earlier just quickly what you were you were talking to me about how

01:28:57

Nam I think maybe it's more specifically IMB is so driven by numbers that What's not being told that's actually going on overseas is that there are being there are people being put in positions of leadership in Churches that aren't even converted

01:29:17

Talk to us a little bit just briefly about that All right. So here's what the the missionaries have told me and and this is just a conglomerate of Stuff that seems to be common in the conversations

01:29:35

So a lot of it goes back to an email that Paul Chittwood sent out in 2020 That included a lot of red flags some

01:29:44

CRT and woke ideology and it contained Some conservative resurgent voices and by the way, this particular article that was of great concern is no longer

01:29:55

Online to be found it was taken down. So that seems to be a theme as soon as something doesn't measure up Let's take it offline

01:30:05

Anyway, here's some of the things the IMB should Actively pursue diversity and utilize functional racial quotas

01:30:15

Okay, so that makes it yeah quotas that your goal goals are based upon the shallowness of the skin color which is

01:30:26

You can't find that in Scripture nevertheless when addressing the riots of the summer of 2020 after the killing of George Floyd chip would treat the killing as a racially motivated attack

01:30:38

American police officers are targeting black people he implied and Racial injustice is the context of the entire email.

01:30:47

He also mentioned that white people need to listen rather than learn the promotion of new training programs including cultural sensitivity and unconscious bias training and then new teams channel

01:31:03

Exclusively devoted to people of certain races So you're Basically, I mean that that is racism.

01:31:12

It is racism. Yeah. Yeah I mean, that's a page right out of the leftist playbook and Churches quote -unquote are using it.

01:31:24

I mean that is just No, man here and here's how that is funneled down to the missionaries experience

01:31:33

They have taken missionary strategists young girls with degrees from the seminaries or young, you know people and placed them over veterans in the missionary field and placed upon them a rubric of pragmatism pragmatism, they've got boxes to check off and just to kind of summarize the process a missionary would now be expected from the

01:31:59

IMB to go in and identify a community leader and Then once they identify who the community leader is and they teach them how to facilitate a

01:32:11

Bible study in the home and then they count that as a church plant and they move on and Here's what the missionaries are saying.

01:32:18

We've got to do this so quickly that We are actually leading unconverted community leaders to be a church planter and facilitate a

01:32:33

Church and this is what is being called and they're dying. They're not lasting Well, obviously they would not last but nevertheless the missionaries hearts are torn out because they want to lead these people to Christ But they're expected to continue to move on to move on to move on for the sake of numbers

01:32:50

Which we've exposed before the idol in the SPC is numbers numbers numbers numbers

01:32:58

Yeah Yeah Exactly when Rick Warren stood up at the last convention and spewed all of his self

01:33:06

Exaltative numbers and the entire room stood and applauded him. It just proved that Numbers is the idol in the

01:33:16

SPC that is the goal more more more and you don't see that in Scripture It's simply trying to make a narrow road the broad road

01:33:25

It's not biblical soteriology or anything or missiology or anything so nevertheless the missionaries have told me that when they do not comply they'll be brought off of the field brought back home and Nam or not at name, but the

01:33:41

IMB will cancel their position and so they don't have anything to go back to so the job the housing the everything that they have invested their life in is no longer and they

01:33:52

Reposition them to a different continent to a different people and if they don't comply

01:33:58

It's not three strikes. You're out the next one. You're gone I'm serious.

01:34:04

This is Destroying lives and I'm not saying that all of the IMB is doing this but the plethora of evidence coming in this direction

01:34:16

Proves that this is strategic this is Actual this is what they're doing and obviously

01:34:24

Sin spreads like gangrene and this is just simply taking over So nevertheless, that's what's happening and this is what

01:34:31

Southern Baptist churches are giving toward and to try and curve this ship is

01:34:37

Something that I'm not interested in doing I'm interested in saving those who are willing to say, you know what?

01:34:43

I want to do this in a more biblical way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to have the

01:34:49

You don't have to have NAMB. You don't have to have IMB the cooperative program to do missions you can do missions without any of that stuff and and like you just said, it's

01:35:00

Your your money when you give to it is going to this kind of stuff and that is absolutely Tragic, it's appalling on every level.

01:35:08

Yeah So Casey let's follow up with something that you and I've discussed before and I think it was our previous video but First Baptist Church, Orlando Baptizing homosexuals

01:35:27

There's been some developments since then. So for those of you who have not seen that video

01:35:32

I'm gonna put a link down below in the description So if you're not sure what we're talking about go and watch that please and you'll see

01:35:39

But the First Baptist Church, Orlando has been baptizing homosexuals. We showed photos of that There's a

01:35:46

Bible study group called the gospel gathering that I Guess is not officially a part of the church itself, but it is a

01:35:57

Bible study group comprised of members at least mostly if not completely but mostly of first members of First Baptist Church, Orlando and the gospel gathering itself the members of that Bible study group are

01:36:13

Not a hundred percent homosexual but a great, you know a very significant part of that Group is comprised of homosexuals

01:36:23

You can go to their Facebook page and and by the way, all of this that we're talking about This is not you and I didn't go on a technological dumpster dive to find this.

01:36:33

This is open. This is public information Anybody can see it But there's four administrators of this gospel gathering

01:36:44

Facebook page One of whom is Joe Mills and Joe is a man who is

01:36:53

The person that we talked about the First Baptist Church, Orlando baptized. He's a homosexual. He is married to a man

01:37:00

We showed the pictures of that well documented. We showed the picture. We showed the picture of him being baptized by Danny de

01:37:08

Armas the associate pastor at First Baptist, Orlando and He is an open homosexual now, you know

01:37:15

I've talked about we've watched a couple of videos that he's in and he seems to be Seems to be a nice guy, you know, and our heart goes out to him

01:37:24

Mainly because he's he's not being told the truth. He's he's being lied to By the people that for the staff

01:37:31

David youth and Danny de Armas at First Baptist, Orlando. He's being lied to these men Youth and de

01:37:38

Armas. They know the truth. They know what the Bible says, but They baptize him anyway, and I'm clearly he's unconverted because he's living an active homosexual lifestyle

01:37:48

There's another man named David spiked. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right? He's another administrator and He is a homosexual he is also married to a man and I showed you some of the pictures that he's posted of himself and I can't even

01:38:07

I'm not even gonna put them up here because they're He's Basically half -naked and he's got a lot of these pictures of himself posted and yet he's an administrator of the gospel gathering which has their meetings at least a significant number of them at First Baptist, Orlando and Faith Hall Danny de

01:38:31

Armas has taught this group before he has spoken there So it's not like the staff there at First Baptist, Orlando doesn't know about them about this group.

01:38:42

They do They absolutely And some of the likes that these administrators have they like things that are gay dating sites and apparently

01:38:56

Not that I clicked on it. I have no desire to but apparently Links to gay porn and and this is going on and the staff at First Baptist, Orlando is fully aware of it

01:39:10

Yeah, at least one of the members at least one of the members of the gospel gathering is on staff at First Baptist Church, Orlando So all of that,

01:39:20

I know it kind of I needed to lay a little bit of groundwork But Casey since our last video Someone pointed you to an another video

01:39:29

That is not only The church baptizing homosexual actually this

01:39:35

Joe Mills Person individual he is baptizing

01:39:41

Someone he is he is actively baptizing someone and this happens at First Baptist Church, Orlando's baptistry.

01:39:49

Let's Let's watch that real quick Hey Jerry, and thank you so much and we get the joy being outdoors in the courtyard here on the first Sunday of the month

01:39:57

We got eight people who are taking that next step and their spiritual journey and they are surrounded by friends and family members and life

01:40:04

Group members, so I want you to meet the first couple right now. So go ahead and introduce yourself. Okay dear ones This is just a screenshot.

01:40:10

So in the background in the green shirt That is Jeff Thompson. He is part of the pastoral care on staff there at First Baptist, Orlando and The man in the rear in the blue that is

01:40:25

Joe Mills and he is the homosexual that we've been talking about He's married to a man

01:40:31

Active homosexual living that lifestyle in the baptistry You see everyone wearing their t -shirts

01:40:38

That's what First Baptist Orlando distributes to anyone being baptized in them and those apparently doing the baptisms with the words made

01:40:47

New and this is the baptistry on campus at First Baptist, Orlando My name is

01:40:55

Dennis and Jesus is my Lord My name is

01:41:01

Carolyn and Jesus is my Lord And their friend Joe is here today to support support them and give moral encouragement to them

01:41:09

So guys, it is our privilege to baptize you in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.

01:41:14

Amen And we have another couple coming in here, so I want you guys to okay

01:41:27

Casey, I'm sorry to have gone on so long So what are your thoughts when when you see this? you know, my thoughts are from a pastoral standpoint is that We should like the

01:41:39

Apostle Peter correct someone like Simon who is into it for the wrong reasons

01:41:45

Simon professed, you know to be a Christian and he jumped into getting baptized too quickly and Peter discerned real fast that you're in it for the wrong reasons and so Not only do we need to have discernment to be able to see when people need counseling

01:42:03

But we also need to be able to just kind of slow things down a little bit and be personable

01:42:09

With folks and share the truth of the gospel. So here's the error Pastor David and Danny and the staff have not taken

01:42:17

Joe Mills and the others Aside and talked with them personally and shared with them the error of their way and Kind of stopped the process a little bit

01:42:30

So hey, we need to hold up right here and get an alignment with the scriptures before this gets worse

01:42:36

They haven't done this and so now it's gotten worse. Not only have they been baptized at First Orlando But now it's progressed to where they are baptizing

01:42:46

Yes, and so you you just think okay you see the direction that this is going now

01:42:54

There's confusion out there in every way shape and form Those who have gone and spoken with Danny and David say

01:43:02

I'm not not not not this or that But now you go back and say well, wait a minute

01:43:07

Danny says that this gospel gathering is not a part of First Orlando, but on the gospel gatherings

01:43:13

Facebook They say we're so glad we found First Baptist Orlando who approves of our life and accepts us

01:43:20

Yes And you see pictures on their Facebook of them in Faith Hall the fellowship hall there at First Baptist Orlando You see them being baptized in their baptistry

01:43:30

They claim it but yet Danny says something else one moment and then something else another moment

01:43:37

And so there's mass confusion Well, I'm just simply saying. All right.

01:43:42

Look at the fruit Decide for yourself and Make the best choice for your family there.

01:43:48

There's no there's no denying this I mean, there's there's you know, it's like it's like trying to convince someone the sky isn't blue Yeah, we'll just go out and look.

01:43:57

It's obviously is I mean there's Proof after proof after proof. I mean these pictures don't lie the videos don't lie and Some one of our one of our vocal critics out there

01:44:08

Casey Has went to trying to refute us went to the Statement of Faith of First Baptist Orlando and found on their

01:44:15

Statement of Faith where They affirm a biblical view of marriage and sexuality and say that homosexuality is a sin and blah blah blah

01:44:22

Well a quick Google search again. You don't have to be Columbo a quick Google search. This is a

01:44:28

This is a copying and pasted statement of faith that Hundreds if not thousands of churches are using of all denominational stripes by the way, so it's it's you know, weak sauce, you know surfacy kind of a statement of faith but the thing is is that False churches teach against their own statement of faith regularly.

01:44:52

That's Something they do they have a basic Statement of faith that would pass a basic doctrinal smell test, you know just to give them a little cover but they teach

01:45:03

Regularly, they teach against their own statement of faith. So this is not Surprising in reviewing this in the editing process.

01:45:10

I realize I should have said that false churches often Not only teach but primarily they practice

01:45:17

Against what they teach they practice against their own statement of faith. They may put a public

01:45:23

Show a public facade of doctrinal orthodoxy, but behind the scenes where it's just the church what they practice

01:45:31

Contradicts their own statement of faith Yeah Exactly. So it's just the same trick of a wolf being in sheep's clothing, right?

01:45:40

You have to own the surface look Okay, at least basically, okay so, you know for myself not to belabor the subject, but this stuff keeps coming the facts keep coming my way and You know

01:45:58

People just bring it to you. No our church we were we were off a good distance away doing a missions day and Saturday morning last

01:46:09

Saturday just a few days ago and One of the ladies in the neighborhood came up and started talking to me.

01:46:17

She knew I was one of the pastors there and She just started talking

01:46:24

No I Knew you were a pastor, but that's it. She's not watched any of our videos or anything like that, right?

01:46:31

Yeah, exactly. And so this is an example of what you're fixing the show as to what kind of Confusions going on out there and what people are actually seeing and dealing with So here's what

01:46:45

I'm saying You can listen on a Sunday morning to what's being said at First Baptist Orlando from the poem.

01:46:52

It was you know, what's public? But then as well you can look at what's going on and so never let this lady came and she started talking to me and And I said hold on a second.

01:47:06

Do you mind if I record your testimony here? And she said no not at all.

01:47:11

And then after we got through recording, she kept talking and gave even more information I said would you care if I shared this publicly because this would help people whom are also dealing with these same things and so That videos in your hand

01:47:25

Okay, so let's let's play that now Okay, I will not longer go there

01:47:38

I'll watch him on TV my favorite pastor Danny Dearmus Yeah, now he's the one pushing is what I've heard.

01:47:43

They accept the LGBT and queer. Okay, and the Bible's very clear

01:47:53

Okay, so they not only accept them into the church, which would be fine But they allow them to become her members without renouncing the sin

01:48:02

They also allow them to teach from children to young adults and you know this because you're a member

01:48:08

Wow And I'm a member there. Well, I'm only by association. I will remove my membership. I'm also a member of First Baptist in First Baptist in Muskegon, Michigan where I became a missionary and came to Florida Well, thank you and I work with people who live under the trees, yeah,

01:48:24

I thought I'd be one of them for 18 months So Casey, I was struck by this lady

01:48:30

She says Danny Dearmus is one of her favorite preachers and I guess she still watches a lot but she says she is a member of First Baptist, Orlando and Not only are there homosexual members of First Baptist, Orlando But apparently are even according to her are even in teaching positions at least for kids up to young adults

01:48:56

They not only accept them into the church, which would be fine, but they allow them to become her members without renouncing the sin

01:49:04

They also allow them to teach from children to young adults and you know this because you're a member

01:49:11

Wow And I'm a member there. Yeah yeah, you kind of got to leave it in her court with the credibility as to whether or not she's seen that or not and Whether it is

01:49:21

I haven't I have seen homosexual serving in person that's what went there when

01:49:26

I was on my sabbatical and sat through all three services and so there are homosexuals in areas of service there at First Baptist, Orlando and there are homosexuals who are members and And to my understanding some of that has been cleaned up and they've kind of backed up a little bit and not been so maybe loud and proud in that area, but nevertheless if there are some who are homosexuals teaching

01:49:56

I Just don't know why Anybody is left there at all

01:50:01

But at the same time why anybody would stick around anyway because the fact that you would take someone who was living in open sin and Baptize them and put a

01:50:14

First Baptist shirt t -shirt on them and put them in a welcoming position that greeter their members

01:50:19

They're at their singing in the choir. They're on the praise whatever all of these that is teaching It may not be teaching to the standard or scripture says teachers are held to a higher accountability on the day of judgment

01:50:31

But it is by way of example Teaching a lot and you're telling a lot it is the inclusive gospel.

01:50:39

It is a different gospel it is exactly what we're trying to share clearly with everybody and Once you go in this direction

01:50:47

It is a very steep downward direction There's no pulling out that this church is bought into this and they have been going in this direction for years they are highly invested into this and No video no backlash, you know nothing it's going to change the trajectory of this

01:51:09

Direction for First Baptist, Orlando until they get new pastors new leadership and have a complete u -turn

01:51:17

This is the direction of the leadership and you can talk to the staff members themselves

01:51:24

And if they will tell you the truth You're going to get the same information Yeah, that's right and you have heard you've lost count of how many people you've heard from former members current members

01:51:37

People who used to be on staff. I mean you've heard from a lot of people and they all say the same thing

01:51:44

Right. Yeah, same thing. They go through a season of being deeply hurt because they can't believe that their church has kept them in This lukewarm position for so long and slowly deceived them then they go into a

01:52:01

Season of being angry at themselves for not seeing it sooner Yeah and they think low of themselves and and they have to kind of deal with that for a little while and then they go through a

01:52:11

Season of remorse as if they've lost a loved one because anytime you leave a church home

01:52:16

There's a grieving process that has to happen there and then as well Church Shopping or trying to find a new church is one of the most difficult things that any family could ever go through and so it is just one layer of difficulty after another after another after another and so I truly

01:52:39

Feel for these families who are just in confusion So the families who have contacted me which are endless have said the same things

01:52:49

That's the reason why I know it so succinctly and so clearly and they're so thankful for These videos to expose the truth because it sets them free.

01:52:57

They want to know the truth Yeah, and so yeah absolutely

01:53:02

Casey and Casey thank you very much for for joining me and helping us

01:53:10

Navigate all this and bringing all of this stuff to light again. This is stuff that has been brought to you. But My wife has said and I think it's a great illustration in every area of our lives

01:53:22

We seek out the best we seek out, you know, we want the best mechanic to fix our car

01:53:27

We want the best dentist to fill our cavities. We want the best accountant to do our taxes you know, we seek out people that are proficient in their field of expertise except when it comes to the

01:53:38

Area of life that is by far the most important and that is the shepherding of our eternal souls

01:53:46

That is the the leader the elders of the church who are tasked with expositing scripture shepherding our souls feeding the flock protecting from wolves

01:53:58

Except when it comes to that the thing that is the most important is like, huh? You know, it's okay, you know, you know anything will do you know, he makes me laugh.

01:54:07

He makes me smile He tells some good stories and they'll throw in a verse or two and you know, that's good and it's a tragic commentary

01:54:13

That the one thing in our lives that should by far be the most important thing. We seem to be the most lackadaisical about and in case of you and I both we

01:54:28

We do not hate Homosexuals at all that we're not trying to embarrass anyone. We're not you know again

01:54:35

This is everything we've talked about this public information people. These individuals have made it public, you know, they're they put it out there um

01:54:44

But we love them enough to tell them the truth and shame on first Baptist, Orlando and the leadership

01:54:51

And I'm just gonna say it for hating these people Mm -hmm by not telling them the truth

01:54:57

Yeah, because scripture is crystal clear first Corinthians chapter 6

01:55:02

Beginning of verse 9 Paul says do not be deceived neither fornicators nor idolaters nor feminine nor Homosexuals nor revilers covetous swindlers drunkards will inherit the kingdom of God Yeah, I was very clear if you die in that state you will not

01:55:21

Inherit the kingdom of God you will die and you will perish for all of eternity in a very real place that the

01:55:27

Bible calls Hell, that's the truth That's what scripture teaches The most loving thing we can do for someone is to tell them the truth the most hateful thing to do

01:55:36

Is to know the truth and not tell them that's the that is the definition of hate to know the truth and not tell them

01:55:46

So if anyone is watching whether it's Joe or David or anyone else in the gospel gathering group?

01:55:55

Casey and I love you enough to tell you the truth and And the truth is this is that if you die in us in that state of habitual unrepentant sin homosexuality

01:56:07

You will not inherit the kingdom of God Okay, see

01:56:12

I've told you before that when I share the gospel with someone I don't have a tailor -made gospel for homosexuals

01:56:21

Like right and quite honestly most of the time not all the time, but most of the time When you're talking to a homosexual,

01:56:28

I mean, it's most of the time you can tell right just by mannerisms and the way they dress Or you know, you you can tell a lot of the time

01:56:36

Not all the time, but you can but if I've shared the gospel with many homosexuals people that I knew

01:56:41

I could obviously tell were gay I Don't have a special tailor -made gospel presentation for homosexuals

01:56:48

I share the gospel with a homosexual the same way that I do with anyone else

01:56:53

Mm -hmm, because Yes homosexuality will send you to hell

01:56:58

But you've got all and all of us do we've got a million other sins in our lives that will also send us to hell

01:57:04

And so I give the gospel to a homosexual same way I do with anybody else the only time that it's necessary to drill down on the issue of homosexuality if is if someone professes to be a

01:57:18

Christian and a Homosexual at the same time. Yeah, then you have to But if someone truly gets saved if you present the gospel to a homosexual and God saves that person through that gospel

01:57:31

That's what's gonna go away The homosexuality they'll repent. Yeah And I've got firsthand

01:57:38

Testimonies of those that's what have called me from First Baptist, Orlando and said that when

01:57:45

I truly got saved That desire for the lifestyle became a hatred not a love.

01:57:52

Yes. Yes, and Testimonies are beautiful and now they have turned on First Orlando and said what they're doing is absolute hatred towards the homosexuals

01:58:06

Inclusiveness is hatred towards the homosexuals, but truth is actual love

01:58:12

That's right. Amen to that. Amen And Casey that those people that have contacted you they have joined the race

01:58:20

They went from 1st Corinthians 6 9 and 10 and they jumped over into verse 11 because it's there that Paul says

01:58:29

Such were some of you You were those things but you're not anymore.

01:58:35

You were a drunkard. You were a reviler. You were an adulterer You were a homosexual

01:58:41

But you're not anymore and then you were washed you were sanctified you were justified

01:58:48

So that's the beauty of the gospel and and I just I Want to close there.

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Yeah, anyone who was watching whether you're straight or homosexual, whatever if here's the gospel

01:59:01

You are a sinner all of sin and fallen short of the glory of God in the wages of sin is death

01:59:07

Paul says in Romans 6 23 because we have sinned against an Eternal God the punishment of that sin is also

01:59:16

Eternal and if we die in our sins, we're very rightly very justly go to a very real place

01:59:21

That the Bible calls hell where the worm will not die. The fire will not be quenched There'll be wailing weeping gnashing of teeth and it will never end

01:59:31

That's the bad news. That's what our sins have earned but God has made a way of escape

01:59:37

God has given Good news and the good news of the gospel is this God sent his son

01:59:43

Jesus Christ to this earth in Jesus was this One person is this one person with two natures

01:59:52

Truly God truly man and the God -man Jesus Christ lived a perfect life on this earth to the complete

01:59:59

Satisfaction of God the Father and then Jesus willingly laid down his life on the cross.

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His life was not taken He gave it and on the cross this perfect person offered his perfect life as a perfect sacrifice to perfectly satisfy the perfect wrath of God Died on the cross three days later bodily raised from the dead

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Proving himself to be who he said he was God in human flesh And the only way to have the wrath of God removed is

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That you must have Righteousness and Dear friends you and I have no righteousness of our own.

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We must have the righteousness of someone else and his name is Jesus our sins

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Imputed to Jesus when he was on the cross and his righteousness is imputed to us

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When we turn from sin repent of sin and place our trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross

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It is good and it is right To warn people to flee from the wrath to come it is good and it is right to warn people to flee from hell

02:01:10

But just as much as we should want a Savior from hell We should want a Savior from sin the

02:01:17

Bible speaks of two different kinds of sorrow over sin a worldly sorrow and a godly sorrow a worldly sorrow

02:01:23

Paul says in 2nd Corinthians chapter 7 leads to death a Godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation a godly sorrow comes when we grieve over our sin

02:01:34

Because we understand that our sin grieves God and we do not want to grieve him his person

02:01:41

He has been so good so kind so generous so faithful so merciful to us and we do not want to sin against him

02:01:49

Because our sin grieves us that is a godly sorrow So if you want a

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Savior From hell, but not a Savior from sin, then you have a

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Savior from neither But if you will come to Christ in a true godly sorrow over your sin wanting a

02:02:09

Savior Not only from hell, but also from sin if you will come to Christ and confess your sins before him

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Ask him to save you if you come to him in that godly sorrow. He will Jesus says the one who comes to me.

02:02:23

I will in no wise cast out You'll pass from death to life the wrath of God Removed the righteousness of Christ is yours in Jesus Will be your reward for all of eternity

02:02:36

That is the good news of the gospel and that is what Casey and I want for each and every single person

02:02:41

Watching this right now Casey thank you, brother

02:02:47

Yes, sir, man may Pete may many people come to faith through the gospel The Bible says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the

02:02:55

Word of God Amen. Amen. Yes, it does Okay, dear ones.

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Thank you very much for watching until our next time together May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the love of God and the fellowship of his

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Holy Spirit be with you all Hey there

02:03:23

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02:03:31

Phil Johnson, Justin Peters and Susan Heck are coming December 10 11 and 12

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02:03:41

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