April 6, 2020 Show with Mitch Tepper & Stephen Atkinson on “COVID Mayhem & Jewish Mission”

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And today we are both going to. They are both going to be addressing the theme Kovat mayhem and Jewish mission and it's my honor and privilege to welcome both Mitch and Steven back to the program.

Thank you. It's wonderful to be back. Yeah, good to hear you again Chris and good to be with you. Thank you for the opportunity.

And I'm very thankful that you have very unique and distinct accents. So I know who's speaking During the program.

One's from Brooklyn and the others from Belfast. There you go. Actually, actually Banger my wife's in Belfast. But the work a lot of your guys probably don't even know what that Banger exists. But I now live in Arkansas and have lived there for eight years.

And I'm a proud American a a US citizen and your problems are all my problem. So I'm here today to talk about. Welcome to the club.

Yes, and having having an Irish guest and a Jewish guest I know that they both have something very strong in common corned beef anyway. Stephen why don't you tell our listeners who are discovering a CWI Christian witness to Israel for the first time.

Tell our listeners about this very important and historic ministry.

Just very very quickly very simply and said. Our ministry was largely out of the Scottish Presbyterians of the 1830s 1840s. And it was founded by a man named Stephen Robert Murray. McShane prayed the opening prayer in 1842 and our ministry began as the propagation of the gospel among the Jewish p42 to the Jewish people.

And So we hereby the UK had office space from eight years ago to branch of WI NA org. The one for the UK is CWI .org UK. You can get more information on Where we began how we began and what we're doing.

According to Romans 9 through 11 yet a work of God to be done among the ancient people and we are engaged in that work and praying and laboring for the grafting in again of the natural brand. And Mitch is a prime example of one of those Natural branches that is grafted in.

I'm not I'm one of the stuck-on branches. I'm not a guy you Gentile that God has. I'm indebted to this believer.

So don't forget folks the website for the CWI Christian witness to Israel North American branch where our guests today are representatives. It's CWI NA org CWI. That's correct witness to Israel NA for North America.

Yeah, and in fact, here's some interesting fun facts. Stephen Atkinson was my very first speaker at the Pennsylvania version of the iron sharpens iron radio pastors luncheon, which I relaunched in 2015 after moving here to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

I have to try to remember to pronounce it the way the locals do. They don't pronounce it Carlisle they pronounce it Carlisle with the accent at the end and. He was the very first speaker at the Pennsylvania the first iron sharpens iron luncheon in Pennsylvania because the luncheons go back to the 1990s in New York and Mitch Tepper was a guest at one of them.

He may he may as well. He may have as well have been the guest speaker since he spoke for about 45 minutes when he got up there.

You know me all too well Chris.

I'm gonna give our listeners. I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they want to chime in with a question. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Let me start with a question to kind of get things rolling here.

Tell us about what is the normal mind of a Jewish man or woman prior To such a global crisis as the coronavirus Pandemic that we have all globally been.

Coping with. I do want to start off by letting you know I did take a shower today for you guys and I don't know about you two. You didn't tell me your answer, but I am wearing pants today, even though.

Quite a few days.

The shower does us no good. We're hundreds of miles away.

Well me it was happy I took the shower and shaved today. And one of the things you do have here spoke about Jewish people. Even more paranoid. We have many fears of anti-semitism. We always have this fear that is different things that we've also spoke.

I mean, well, you mean at least at least since Abraham because in the beginning of time, there were no Jewish people, right?

Ok, you got me there. All right, but I mean, you know, you we're talking about Antiochus Epiphanes. You talk about Nebuchadnezzar, you're talking about the Pharaoh, you go to Hitler or somebody. A lot of that going on.

About that there are many different I'm not kidding with a question. Even not. I have family in that country and I Can speak to that and with Chris being able to trust anyone outside. A few Jewish people I had there was Jewish neighborhoods.

In fact, Belleau Park is very close. Paranoia that I did not live made me want to find Jewish friends to hang with.

Now who was who was calling you that? The older folks in the neighborhood or your own?

It was mainly the younger kids, you know, this is a lot. You know kids could be cruel to each other. But when you go to school there with the teenagers, you know at the time I was 20, I didn't watch my step today.

So yeah, there was always that paranoia who wants to do the same thing here. Next door neighbor who should we could move on. We'll talk about it. I probably did step a little ahead of yourself. So what.

Shalom does not have a prognostic. There's nothing that even even in the Jewish community. Theology whether they through the back door, but that also plays it even now. That's not just something you'll hear from Gentiles.

It's something you'll hear inside salvation. Yeah, I read I don't know.

I believe that I don't know if either of you ever read the book By a secular Jew, he's not a Christian Jew or yeah, it's called boy chicks in the hood.

Did you ever read that book? I. I know the book, but I have not read it.

Yeah, he confirmed what you said, but basically the book was was written by a liberal nominal Jew who traveled the world to visit all of his family members who were Hasidic and Among the Hasidim it was very commonly held that the Holocaust even was God's wrath upon the Jews for being disobedient.

Oh.

Yeah, I wrote an article on where was God in the Holocaust. So many of the quotes that I got were from rabbis who who said this is. Obviously, there are some who believe that that that that God also was a 13th century Jewish mentality.

Now as far as specifically. Going back to specifically about the corona virus, which is obviously as bad as it is it's far less serious thing than the Holocaust. Infinitely less serious right now anyway.

Yeah Walt don't you agree with that that it's far less.

But I'm going to just tell you what. There's a bunch of articles. Coronavirus. Wow, why would that be. That is the way they're looking. Well because it. You know, I guess we can get into it. Maybe that would be the Hasidic or the our listeners.

You don't know. Well, there's many different or there's the her ready there. There's the Lubavitch. There's many different, right?

But don't they all go under the umbrella of a sedum?

Not not necessarily really not but no no not necessarily. You can they can go under the umbrella and and what it is they live in very tight communities. One of the things that's happened is they did not in fact.

I just saw on. I just saw during one of Mario Cuomo's not marry. I'm sorry Man equally as evil Andrew Cuomo our current governor. I just saw during one of his speeches somebody in the audience was complaining that the ultra Orthodox were Ignoring the the bans on public Gatherings of more than ten and they were going to weddings and all kinds of events with with thousands of people sometimes scattered together.

Well, that's that's changing because of what's happening the Times put out just in the last week that the coronavirus Weekend literally this weekend that we had just doing. That's why the president will want to continue to gather together in my community.

Gentile message that if they don't know that's interesting because I haven't heard that publicly reported. Yeah, well, you could fight it. You look at at her at the Jerusalem Press the New York Times.

It's all there and You know, I'm looking at these gathered together. That's as well this we're going to have a couple of bed weeks ahead of us.

And are they going to be able to. Do you think that they'll actually do you actually think in the privacy of their own homes? Where Passover I would imagine is most frequently held. That yeah, sure. Don't you think that?

Do you think I should say that the that most?

Very.

Strictly religious. Religiously observant Jews. Do you think that they're really going to not have a Passover gathering inside their own homes? I.

I hope can be done that you Gentile or you know invite like a dozen people before we go into more of how this is.

Affecting the secular and observant use this coronavirus epidemic. They call it Because of what you have already said that there is has historically and traditional and traditionally as a part of the culture of.

The Jews those who are very. Who find that identity very important because obviously there are people who call themselves Jews that live no differently than I do but those that find that their Jewish identity extremely important as far as the culture and as far as.

Whether they be religious or they just hold dear things that are a part of their customs just because of the fact that they You know want to keep their family heritage alive more than any kind of an obedience to God.

What have you. Is there a paranoia just as you were saying before that. There are nuts out there there are anti-semites who have who have publicly stated that the coronavirus is some kind of a plot of the Jews.

Are the Jews? In any significant numbers That you have spoken with. Do they have their own conspiracy theories about this? Since you just said before that this is affecting Jews. At least and at least in New York more than any other group.

Are they coming up with their own paranoid theories that aren't that have no basis in fact.

Even could tell you a lot about the UK, but CWI both of us. His name is Richard Gibson. And so we've been speaking to him a lot about it, and I've been reading these articles and from the Jewish Telegraph agency.

Listen to what it says. Yeah, Jews are vastly old in the UK. There is why. Well the 5 of the cases cases are Jewish, but the strange thing is only three. Hundreds of a percent at all. Wow you know. And and they're worried about many deaths.

And that's what's so scary, but you know at the same time. At the same time and I'm taking a risk here saying this. But You know I said I have heard left-wing nuts in the media.

Yeah, really.

Exaggerate the the presence of Neo-nazis and white supremacists, oh yeah, I know and don't. We have to be very careful not to Buy into some of these lies that really distract people from the real main core problems in this nation in the world.

You're absolutely right, and I will say this is the thing that that that we fight at CWI is the forget about Theology the people who witness. Did you know you're thinking of like John Hagee there, right?

Well there's a lot of that a lot of replacement theology. We see it. Would you call that replacement theology John Hagee isn't it? It's all part of replacement theology, and I thought that would be like the reverse of it.

That's not like the hundred degrees opposite of it.

Well, that's the fact that he doesn't to me. That's replacement theology because they have another way. Yeah. Name. There is one name given among men Jew and Gentile and whereby we must be saved and so they.

I would imagine that the largest I would imagine the largest group of people that think it's horrible. To evangelize the Jews other than the Jews themselves. Are the liberals because you know. Like for instance I Can recall on a number of occasions hearing Roman Catholic priests who were?

Towards the liberal end of Vatican, you know post-vatican, too. On EWTN the eternal word television network, which is a major Roman Catholic TV network. Tell it telling their listeners or their viewers.

You don't need to evangelize the Jews. You know because of their liberal ecumenical stance. Quite a different reason than John Hagee would have. Yeah.

What do we bring into that. And I think that's where we want to want to take the conversation.

The Historical Mission of Christian Witness to Israel

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We are discussing COVID mayhem and Jewish mission and Before we continue in the thread that you wanted us to go on here I just want to take I just want to take two questions from a listener in Alberta Canada who is a first-time listener a first-time questioner that is.

Hey Chris, my name is Jake from Alberta Canada, thank you for your work. I love your show. My question is what is the role and Privilege of the Jewish people today. For example in Romans 9 we see all the blessings that came through the Jewish people.

So I'm just wondering what their place is now since they reject Jesus. He has a second question. That'll go to when you answer the news.

Well, maybe I can he didn't address it to either one specific. As the Gentile I can say that there is a continuing relevance 9 through 11. That God is not done with the Jewish people and the continued relevance is and through that there will be blessing abundant as well and therefore I I and I think I When when we often make the sweeping and we Gentiles that the Jews do not believe in Jesus.

The reality is that there was and there is always. We would not have received the message at all. It's the message is Jewish the ministry very careful and 21st century friends and neighbors and maybe if I could maybe add in at this Point just one.

I don't know this but recently visiting with Mitch and which met with Mitch's father. There's one bedroom apartment or a couple of nights I I felt I felt the urge really to think a five-year-old shall be food for worms give him in that way and and and I have a I feel there is a Wonderful continued relevance people today.

And so I simply said a thank you to him on behalf of all Thank you, and and that Jewish and and this is what I wanted to thank him for that now. He doesn't I said to him look you don't believe him. People and therefore we the Gentiles have not got it 99 we have this and our Jewish friends all around a percent of which live in the USA 42 of the world and currently at years without and they do not have peace and and they brought Many of the Purim's had it as well.

And that's where our ministry began before Mitch.

And I just wanted to have something clarified. Don't you think that is it is completely acceptable. Although not saying the blanket statement broad brushing statement the Jews reject Christ. Could one not very appropriately and correctly say.

Rabbinical Judaism rejects Christ as God and as Messiah. Amen. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we we can definitely say that and under panic right biblical Judaism. Yeah, and we could say also that Catholic Christianity Was also a sure. Oh, you know, I think we've we've all Mitch. Did you want it?

Yeah. Well, the only way I would chime in and that I won't be as long as Stephen I think without a study of break I really got back to that Jewish people don't find the connects gone from it. You study as of the more you you you have just as Stephen was speaking of my dad.

There's this appreciation that the writing. It's amazing that that down and that's the heart and orthodox Jewish I want them to understand that about what I believe now Hebraic rude the connection that we have action that that read Hadassah think about the fulfillment.

It'll be a revival of Jewish people and we want as people in CWI inclination. He has been shaking this world. Foundations paranoia in the law. Is there a fear of not fulfilling all days that you you're not in the eye of the loss of the identity of the Lord?

That is the beginning of wisdom and one of the things that really strikes me now is that would be not there. You know rabbinic Judaism is empty Christianity and that life liberty. I'm sorry, you know, where's my best life?

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