April 6, 2020 Show with Mitch Tepper & Stephen Atkinson on “COVID Mayhem & Jewish Mission”

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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 6th day of April

2020 and Very appropriate with Passover coming up very soon

that we have as our guests today Mitch Tepper a Jewish believer in

Christ Jesus missionary to the Jewish people and Colleague in ministry with my other

guest Steven Atkinson the United States of America director or

North American director of Ministry at Christian witness to Israel.

And today we are both going to.

They are both going to be addressing the theme Kovat mayhem and Jewish mission

and it's my honor and privilege to welcome both Mitch and Steven back to the program.

Thank you.

It's wonderful to be back.

Yeah, good to hear you again Chris and good to be with you.

Thank you for the opportunity.

And I'm very thankful that you have very unique and distinct accents.

So I know who's speaking During the program.

One's from Brooklyn and the others from Belfast.

There you go.

Actually, actually Banger my wife's in Belfast.

But the work a lot of your guys probably don't even know what that Banger exists.

But I now live in Arkansas and have lived there for eight years.

And I'm a proud American a a

US

citizen and your problems are all my problem.

So I'm here today to talk about.

Welcome to the club.

Yes, and having having an Irish guest and a Jewish guest

I know that they both have something very strong in common corned beef anyway.

Stephen why don't you tell our listeners who are discovering a CWI Christian witness to Israel for the

first time.

Tell our listeners about this very important and historic ministry.

Just very very quickly very simply and said.

Our ministry was largely out of the Scottish Presbyterians of the 1830s

1840s.

And it was founded by a man named Stephen Robert Murray.

McShane prayed the opening prayer in 1842 and our ministry began as

the propagation of the gospel among the Jewish p42

to

the Jewish

people.

And So we hereby the

UK had office space from eight years ago

to branch of WI

NA org.

The one for the UK is CWI .org

UK.

You can get more information on Where we began how we began and what we're doing.

According to Romans

9 through 11 yet a work of God to be done among the ancient people

and we are engaged in that work and praying and laboring for the grafting in

again of the natural brand.

And Mitch is a prime example of one of those Natural branches

that is grafted in.

I'm not I'm one of the stuck -on branches.

I'm not a guy you

Gentile that God has.

I'm indebted to this believer.

So don't forget folks the website for the CWI Christian witness to Israel

North American branch where our guests today are representatives.

It's CWI NA org CWI.

That's correct witness to Israel NA for North America.

Yeah, and in fact, here's some

interesting fun facts.

Stephen Atkinson was my very first speaker at the

Pennsylvania version of the iron sharpens iron radio pastors luncheon, which I relaunched

in 2015 after moving here to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

I have to try to remember to pronounce it the way the locals do.

They don't pronounce it Carlisle they pronounce it Carlisle with the accent at the end and.

He was the very first speaker at the Pennsylvania the first iron sharpens iron

luncheon in Pennsylvania because the luncheons go back to the 1990s in New York and

Mitch Tepper was a guest at one of them.

He may he may as well.

He may have as well have been the guest speaker since he spoke for about 45 minutes when he got up there.

You know me all too well Chris.

I'm gonna give our listeners.

I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they want to chime in with a question.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Let me start with a question to kind of get things rolling here.

Tell us about what is the normal mind of a Jewish man or woman prior

To such a global crisis as the coronavirus

Pandemic that we have all globally been.

Coping with.

I do want to start off by letting you know I did take a shower today for you guys and I don't know

about you two.

You didn't tell me your answer, but I am wearing pants today, even though.

Quite a few days.

The shower does us no good.

We're hundreds of miles away.

Well me it was happy I took the shower and shaved

today.

And one of the

things

you do have here spoke about Jewish people.

Even more paranoid.

We have many fears of anti -semitism.

We

always have

this fear

that is different

things that we've

also spoke.

I mean, well, you mean at least at least since Abraham because in the beginning of time, there were no Jewish people, right?

Ok, you got me there.

All right, but I mean, you know, you we're talking about Antiochus Epiphanes.

You talk about Nebuchadnezzar,

you're talking about the Pharaoh,

you go to Hitler or

somebody.

A lot of that going on.

About that there are many different I'm

not kidding

with a question.

Even

not.

I

have

family

in

that

country

and

I

Can speak

to that

and

with

Chris

being able to trust anyone

outside.

A few Jewish people I had there was Jewish neighborhoods.

In fact, Belleau

Park is very

close.

Paranoia that I did not live

made me want to

find Jewish friends to hang with.

Now who was who was calling you that?

The older folks in the neighborhood or your own?

It was mainly the younger kids, you know, this is a lot.

You know kids could be cruel to each other.

But when you go to school there with the teenagers, you know at the time

I was 20, I didn't watch my step

today.

So yeah, there was always that paranoia who wants

to do the same thing here.

Next door neighbor who

should we could

move on.

We'll talk about it.

I probably did step a little ahead of yourself.

So

what.

Shalom does not

have a

prognostic.

There's nothing

that even even

in

the Jewish community.

Theology whether

they

through the

back door, but that also plays

it

even now.

That's not just something you'll hear from Gentiles.

It's something you'll hear

inside salvation.

Yeah, I read I don't

know.

I believe that I don't know if either of you ever read the book By a secular Jew, he's not a

Christian Jew or yeah, it's called boy chicks in the hood.

Did you ever read that book?

I.

I know the book, but I have not read it.

Yeah, he confirmed what you said, but basically the book was was written by a

liberal nominal Jew who traveled the world to visit all of his family

members who were Hasidic and Among the Hasidim it was

very commonly held that the Holocaust even was God's wrath upon the Jews

for being disobedient.

Oh.

Yeah, I wrote an article on where was God in the Holocaust.

So many of the quotes that I got were from rabbis who who said this is.

Obviously, there are

some

who believe

that that that that God

also was a 13th

century

Jewish mentality.

Now as far as specifically.

Going back to specifically about the corona virus, which is obviously as bad as it is it's far

less serious thing than the Holocaust.

Infinitely less serious right now anyway.

Yeah Walt don't you agree with that that it's far less.

But I'm going to just tell you what.

There's a bunch of articles.

Coronavirus.

Wow, why would that be.

That is the way they're looking.

Well because it.

You know, I guess we can get into it.

Maybe that would be the Hasidic or the our listeners.

You don't know.

Well, there's many different or there's the her ready there.

There's the Lubavitch.

There's many different, right?

But don't they all go under the umbrella of a sedum?

Not not necessarily really not but no no not necessarily.

You can they can go under the umbrella and and

what it is they live in very tight communities.

One of the things that's happened

is they did not in

fact.

I just saw on.

I just saw during one of Mario Cuomo's not marry.

I'm sorry Man equally as evil Andrew Cuomo our current governor.

I just saw during one of his speeches somebody in the audience was complaining that the

ultra Orthodox were Ignoring the the bans on public Gatherings

of more than ten and they were going to weddings and all kinds of events with with thousands of people sometimes scattered together.

Well, that's that's changing because of what's happening

the Times put out just in the last week that the

coronavirus

Weekend

literally this

weekend that we had

just

doing.

That's why the president will want

to continue to gather

together in my

community.

Gentile message that if

they don't know

that's interesting because I haven't

heard that publicly reported.

Yeah, well, you could fight it.

You look at at her at the Jerusalem Press the New York Times.

It's all there and You know,

I'm looking at

these

gathered together.

That's as well

this we're

going to have a couple of bed

weeks ahead of us.

And are they going to be able to.

Do you think that they'll actually do you actually think in the privacy of their own homes?

Where Passover I would imagine is most frequently held.

That yeah, sure.

Don't you think that?

Do you think I should say that the that most?

Very.

Strictly religious.

Religiously observant Jews.

Do you think that they're really going to not have a Passover gathering inside their own homes?

I.

I

hope

can be

done that

you

Gentile

or you know invite like a dozen people

before

we go into

more of how

this

is.

Affecting the secular and observant use this coronavirus epidemic.

They call it Because of what you have already

said that there is has historically and traditional

and traditionally as a part of the culture of.

The Jews those who are very.

Who find that identity very important because obviously there are people who call themselves Jews that live no

differently than I do but those that find that their Jewish

identity extremely important as far as the culture and as far as.

Whether they be religious or they just hold dear things that are a part of their

customs just because of the fact that they You know want to keep their family heritage alive

more than any kind of an obedience to God.

What have you.

Is there a paranoia just as you were saying before that.

There are nuts out there there are anti -semites who have

who have publicly stated that the coronavirus is some kind of a plot of the Jews.

Are the Jews?

In any significant numbers That you have spoken with.

Do they have their own conspiracy theories about this?

Since you just said before that this is affecting Jews.

At least and at least in New York more than any other group.

Are they coming up with their own paranoid theories that aren't that have no basis in fact.

Even could tell you a lot about the UK, but

CWI both of us.

His name is Richard Gibson.

And so we've been speaking to him a lot about it, and I've been reading these articles and from the Jewish Telegraph agency.

Listen to what it says.

Yeah, Jews are vastly old in the UK.

There is why.

Well the 5 of the

cases cases are Jewish, but the

strange thing is only three.

Hundreds

of a

percent at

all.

Wow

you know.

And

and

they're worried about

many deaths.

And that's what's so scary, but you know at the same time.

At the same time and I'm taking a risk here saying this.

But You know I said I have

heard left -wing nuts in the media.

Yeah, really.

Exaggerate the the presence of Neo -nazis and white

supremacists, oh yeah, I know and don't.

We have to be very careful not to Buy into some of these lies that really distract people from the

real main core problems in this nation in the world.

You're absolutely right, and I will say this is the thing that that that we fight at CWI is

the forget about

Theology the people who witness.

Did you know you're

thinking of like John Hagee there,

right?

Well there's a lot of that a lot of replacement theology.

We see it.

Would you call that replacement theology John Hagee isn't it?

It's all part of replacement theology, and I thought that would be like the reverse of it.

That's not like the hundred degrees opposite of it.

Well, that's the fact that he doesn't to

me.

That's replacement theology because they have another way.

Yeah.

Name.

There is

one name given among men Jew and Gentile and whereby we must be

saved and so they.

I

would imagine that the largest

I would imagine the largest group of people that think it's horrible.

To evangelize the Jews other than the Jews themselves.

Are the liberals because you know.

Like for instance I Can recall on a number of occasions hearing Roman Catholic priests

who were?

Towards the liberal end of Vatican, you know post -vatican, too.

On EWTN the eternal word television network, which is a major Roman Catholic TV network.

Tell it telling their listeners or their viewers.

You don't need to evangelize the Jews.

You know because of their liberal ecumenical stance.

Quite a different reason than John Hagee would have.

Yeah.

What do we bring into

that.

And I think that's where we want to want to take the conversation.

Yeah, we'll take it that way right after we come back from the first break as we have to go to our first break right now.

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You just tuned us in our guests today are two representatives

of Christian Witness to Israel CWI as it is also known Mitch Tepper

a Jewish believer in Christ Jesus missionary to the Jewish people and a colleague in ministry with Stephen Atkinson

the North American director of ministry at Christian Witness to Israel and by the way One of you guys if you're

washing dishes or something while you're doing this, please stop because the sound effects is pretty horrible.

We are discussing COVID mayhem and Jewish mission and Before we

continue in the thread that you wanted us to go on here I just want to take

I just want to take two questions from a listener in Alberta Canada who is a first -time

listener a first -time questioner that is.

Hey Chris, my name is Jake from Alberta Canada, thank you for your work.

I love your show.

My question is what is the role and Privilege of the Jewish people today.

For example in Romans 9 we see all the blessings that came through the Jewish people.

So I'm just wondering what their place is now since they reject Jesus.

He has a second question.

That'll go to when you answer the news.

Well, maybe I can he didn't address it to either one specific.

As the Gentile I can say that there is a continuing relevance

9 through 11.

That God is not done with the Jewish people

and the

continued relevance is and

through that there will be blessing abundant as well and therefore

I I and I think I When when we

often make the sweeping and we Gentiles that the

Jews do not believe in Jesus.

The reality is that there was and there is always.

We would not have received the message at all.

It's the message is Jewish the ministry very

careful and 21st century

friends and neighbors and maybe if I could maybe add in at this Point

just one.

I don't know this but

recently visiting with Mitch and which met with Mitch's father.

There's one

bedroom apartment or a couple of nights I I felt I felt

the urge

really to think a five -year -old

shall be food for worms give

him in that way and and and I have a I feel there is a

Wonderful continued relevance people today.

And so I simply said a thank you to him on behalf of all

Thank you, and and

that

Jewish and and this is

what I wanted to thank him

for that now.

He doesn't I said to him look you don't believe him.

People

and therefore we

the Gentiles have not got it

99 we have this

and our Jewish friends all around a percent of which live in

the USA 42 of the world and

currently at

years without

and they do

not have peace and and

they brought

Many of the

Purim's

had it as well.

And that's

where our ministry

began

before Mitch.

And I just wanted to have something clarified.

Don't you think that is it is completely acceptable.

Although not saying the blanket statement broad brushing statement the Jews reject

Christ.

Could one not very appropriately and correctly say.

Rabbinical Judaism rejects Christ as God and as Messiah.

Amen.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we we can definitely say that and under panic right biblical

Judaism.

Yeah, and we could say also that Catholic Christianity

Was also a sure.

Oh, you know, I

think we've we've all Mitch.

Did you want it?

Yeah.

Well, the only way I would chime in and that I won't be as long as Stephen

I think

without a study of break

I

really got back to that Jewish people don't find the

connects gone from it.

You study as of the more you you you

have just as Stephen was speaking of my dad.

There's this

appreciation

that the writing.

It's amazing that

that

down

and that's the

heart and

orthodox Jewish

I want them to understand that

about what I believe now

Hebraic

rude the

connection that we

have

action

that that read

Hadassah think about the

fulfillment.

It'll

be a revival of Jewish people

and

we

want as

people in

CWI inclination.

He has been shaking this world.

Foundations

paranoia

in the

law.

Is there a fear of not fulfilling all days that you you're not in the eye of the

loss of the identity of

the Lord?

That is the beginning of wisdom and one of the things that really strikes me now is

that would be not there.

You know rabbinic Judaism is empty

Christianity and

that life liberty.

I'm sorry, you know, where's my best life?

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Now, do you have anything further you want to add or should I move on to the second question by our

listener?

In Canada in Alberta, Canada.

Everything that Stephen also said about rabbinical Judaism is

anything but biblical.

And if you

want to

and that was that

that they believe

in in Judaism today will never bring

it to them.

Amen.

Well, uh the second question from our listener in Alberta, Canada, whose name is Jake.

Let's see what.

What in the world.

Let's see.

I thought this was a typo here.

Maybe perhaps it isn't what is the world afraid of?

Why do they want to eliminate the Jews?

Obviously not everybody in the world, but there has always been a hatred of the Jews.

As Mitch said earlier going back to the children of Abraham Abraham was a

Gentile himself, but his His progeny were the Jewish people.

So tell us why it what.

What is the story here?

Why has there always been such a hatred for the Jews?

I I can I can simply from a big -picture standpoint

from Point there is the

folly of Satan strata

eliminate my

symbol

of

them in

You know

in in her panic

enemy saying an

end to

that

I think that really of the enemy

and yet at the same time God's when.

Therefore there is the the anti -semitism the seeking to destroy

Has yet

a

purpose.

Yeah,

right.

Like you said right

as we know from men like

Spall and even John Newton even said that there's nothing you can do to change

Wi -14 took

to be here in such a time

as this and

that

is exact I'm doing

that

was reaching more about that.

But I

already before I ask a question from our listener in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Grady is a very loyal listener to this show and also a very generous financial supporter

to this show.

I have a question of my own.

Don't those That are our brothers in Christ or

at the very least professing Christians because there are cults.

There are cults that do this, too.

But don't any doesn't anybody that has a focus on Jewish

evangelism have to be very careful about not entering into the heresy

of Judaizing where where the Jewish people

are presented as innately superior to Gentile Christians

that they In fact that we have to obey the ceremonial law

of the Old Testament even to be saved.

And it's amazing to me how there are professing Christians who believe that even when we have the book of

Galatians in our New Testaments but don't we have to be careful about that end of the

spectrum and.

I can quick if I can quickly answer.

And then Mitch can add but I think well two things.

I want to say one.

Yes, we do have to be very careful.

But the reality is while there are aberrations among Jewish believers.

And yes, some of them do need to go away and read Galatians.

There are actually among the professing Gentile Church.

Well, even some of these Gentiles are the ones involved in the Judeo.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

But all I'm simply saying is that when sometimes we're pointed and

maybe some immaturities that might be there.

There are an absolute in the

widespread

sometimes we we Gentiles.

I'll speak just as the guy here I'll speak as the Gentile.

Sometimes we're we're the ones that are you know, pointing the finger at our Jewish friend.

Are they're doing this.

They're doing that why they're doing this why they're doing that when really we need to actually look at ourselves and see

the.

You know the health the other thing that I

want to you know There is also is that we can sometimes talk

about these things and in a very Gentle one of the

one of the points that I want to raise and to get us things are

our Gentile churches largely Gentile churches.

Just think of this Jewish question as they feel and it is and it needs

to be tackled.

To be tackled trying to

raise the issue, you know.

And in the earlier sections of it within the real world that

real world Jewish community.

There are fears there is the paranoia.

There is a little

message of not just talking of it in Romans 9 to 11 not

just talking about natural branches.

Not just talking about it.

You're even historically and the Puritan hope but talking about it in terms of a 95 year old

atheist living inside Florida Mitch maybe you

know, this is

where I want you to

jump through a Bennett Judy and say

look you if anybody's listening.

And it's on our website CWINA .org and

hear my sermon on 1st Corinthians 15, and I was simply raising the question, you know for this 95 year old

atheist.

You were made for much more than

were made to

the

life

liberty and pursuit

of you from heaven.

So jump in on that Mitch.

I am gonna jump in because you know,

practically speaking and I guess I can speak a lot about Messianic Judea

DWR.

We want you

to work from home

and

Want to be available

if under someone if

if someone needs me to come

come over and do some

you spoke

about my father 95 year old atheist.

I will lead that into that.

She was

diagnosed for much

of that

much of 2019 getting better.

She was in remission and then She had

a spot on her lungs when

Sloan Kettering in New York.

She

Contracted

the virus.

Wow

God.

And I told

him, you

know, God's

real

and he

and he could not breathe

on her own she was up

for time.

I'd known him for 40 years and all the sudden the door and he gave me a

call and

Conversations, you know, like they have things I got thousands of

people praying for throughout the country even throughout the world.

About I told him about Jesus.

I told him about but that comes down

how the story ended with

my sister.

Where it was

yesterday one Sunday

my dad on the phone.

Praise God, and I

and I said I told

you that's from

a maybe that

on the phone.

In fact, you're gonna love this fact.

Mitch can you to go ahead give us the second story when we come back?

We're going to our final break.

Oh great, and uh.

Ah.

It goes so fast.

I know.

Well, this will be much more brief than the last break.

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Oh, yeah.

Go ahead.

With I'm trying to Share

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Let me ask you a question.

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Does he believe in the deity of Jesus Christ?

Yeah, definitely.

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She comes to my Shabbat.

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Them the impetus to want to go

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Kovat was she could not understand how God could allow bad that this

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Finally for the first time and we've known each other finally

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She said I'm

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That Rick up Ray comfort loves to use him because of this awesome statement.

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Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Well, we have we have we have the second or actually with this is the first question

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Let's see.

I Met some Jewish people in New York a few years ago growing up in the south

I only knew one Jewish person and he was a businessman in my hometown That told

me one time he was blessed by God.

And that was a fact because he was one of God's chosen people.

A Few years ago. I met two Jewish siblings that

owned a business where I was picking up a load and I asked them a question.

I Don't know if they were Orthodox or ultra Orthodox.

But they were wearing white shirts.

All their clothes were black and they had the little head coverings.

I Asked them why a lot of Jewish people were Democrats because the Republicans usually

supported Israel.

Their reply was that they didn't recognize the current nation of Israel because it was illegal.

When I questioned them further They said that only Israel.

They said the only Israel they would recognize is the one the Messiah.

Possesses is this normal amongst Jewish people?

That's a sect amongst the Hasidim right that believe that.

Yeah, well, you know, you're not gonna

you're gonna tons of articles about much

down the middle.

Maybe a third.

There were many Zionists there.

There are many there who do believe they're waiting for them

to solve the ultra

or voting Democrat.

My dad like many other Jew and I think it's mainly a secular Jew.

But I think it's mainly secular reform crap.

Most of the liberal Jews are

Democrat and

have been ever since

FDR and they usually

vote for you.

In fact, I don't know if you've seen I don't know if you've seen the really fascinating movie

that actually was the Main reason I discovered what Grady was talking about

the movie.

The Chosen came out in 1981 I believe

with Robbie Benson and Rod Steiger played a

Rabbi a Hasidic rabbi.

And the whole movie was about how Rod Steiger the Hasidic rabbi

Wanted his son to break off a friendship with the son of a liberal Jewish

Or comparatively liberal Jewish college professor who was a Zionist.

Because the Hasidic sect That Rod Steiger's character

was leading was vehemently anti -zionist.

Yeah, and it's fascinating movie.

I Highly recommend it and you could watch the whole thing for free on YouTube, by the way.

Let's see here.

We have Thank You Grady.

We have Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Christopher says.

Could your guests briefly define replacement theology.

Because I believe that there are people who define that differently and I think it

is is very sad That some Christians have been accused of believing

this just because they have an eschatological difference from

Dispensationalists and so on.

That that's a very good question because I've been accused of believing that just because in fact, I'm assuming

that there are people within CWI that might even be accused of it because you allow

millennialists and post -millennialists and And your focus is not on the real estate in

The Middle East it is on the Jewish people rather than the nation.

Yeah.

You want to

Understand.

We do not understand.

Not

only

is and I think that's

the grip.

There are

many different types of.

Like there's one there's one thing that there's one thing that that I have been accused of being a non -millennialist,

which is a slander.

Yeah, is that?

Amillennialists believe God is through with the Jews.

I'm like, what are you talking about?

I'm an amillennialist that I believe God saves Jews every day and I witnessed news.

I mean, I in fact, I don't even know of an Orthodox, I'm a little when I say

Orthodox, I mean biblically sound.

Amillennialist or post -millennialist that would ever say God is through with the Jews.

In fact post -millennialist, you know I believe there's a great great hope for the Jews for mass conversion.

If not, if not all of their conversion before the end of before the end of the world, I think I think

they.

Replacement theology.

Grandest

form.

Yeah,

it's a

shame

when

I have seen

when

I have

seen

on the

journey home,

which is a

Catholic.

Television broadcast Where they have the Testimonies of people who

converted to Catholicism.

I Cringe when I see Jewish people on there who are so excited and fascinated

By the ritual of Rome and they will find it they will find kinship with that in

the the ceremony of Judaism but the difference is when you

have these these totally Invented Roman Catholic rituals and ceremonies that have no

basis in the Old or New Covenant.

And it's amazing why a Jewish person a Jewish person must not know who nadeb and

Abihu were to think that somebody could just have a ceremony and A ritual and think it's going to be

somehow pleasing to God where you know.

They were they were consumed in flames for their merely offering incense.

That wasn't Prescribed by God, but we are out of time and I want to make sure that

Our listeners have once again the website for the Christian witness to Israel is CW

in a org.

It's CW.

I Christian witness to Israel na for North America org CW in a org.

Thank you so much, Stephen Atkinson, and thank you so much.

Send any questions to that website, please send any questions Chris will be passed on to us and we'll follow them

up.

We'd love to be the pirate we've been there for

you.

Amen, and I want everybody to always remember the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are.

A sinner.

Amen. Thank you Chris. Thank you.