Aug. 18, 2015 Show with Ron Glass & Michael J. Vlach on “Pre-Trib / Premill” [End Times 6-Day Marathon]

The Program’s End Times Marathon and Guest Introductions

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Now here's our host, Chris Arntzen. Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 18th day of August 2015, and today is day number two of our end times marathon that began yesterday with Amillennialism.

Today we are going to be discussing pre-tribulational premillennialism. Tomorrow we are going to be, God willing, addressing historic premillennialism. On Thursday we are going to be addressing the pre-wrath rapture view, and on Friday we will begin a two-day series or two-part program on post-millennialism.

On Friday we will begin with the traditional post-millennial view, and on Monday the 24th we intend to have a program addressing theonomic or reconstructionist post-millennialism. But it is my honor and privilege to have with me today a very dear friend of mine, a man whom without Iron Sharpens Iron would not be possible, and that is Pastor Ron Glass of Wading River Baptist Church in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island.

Pastor Glass is a former adjunct professor of Bible exposition at Talbot School of Theology, and the website for Wading River Baptist Church is wrbc .us. That's wrbc .us. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Pastor Ron Glass.

Chris, it's a delight to be with you. Yes, and the delight is all mine and my listeners, I'm sure. And well, let's begin since we are discussing pre-tribulational premillennialism, the most dominant view held by dispensationalist Christians.

The Tribulation, the Millennium, and the Return of Christ

Your eschatological view is known as pre-tribulational premillennialism, so obviously this refers to something that is going to happen before events called the tribulation and the millennium. So what are these two events, and what exactly do you believe will occur prior to these two events?

Unprecedented. So when we talk about pre-tribulational premillennialism...

So just to clarify in regard to the return of Christ from what you said, do you believe in only one return of Christ, as amillennialists and postmillennialists believe, or are there two returns of Christ that we now wait for, one secret and invisible to those on earth who are lost,.

And one that will be visible to all? Well, we will gather together...

And to also clarify to my listeners, because I know I may have some of my postmillennialist friends already in disagreement with my description of them, some of them do believe in more than one return of Christ, but I was, in reference to the judgment on the temple in A .D. 70 and so on, but I was speaking specifically of the one visible physical return of Christ at the end of all earthly history that the amills and postmills agree upon.

But if only lost individuals are left behind on earth after the church is raptured, what will be the means by which these lost people hear the gospel?

All right, this is it. Here's what he does. He says, sooner that they may be seen, once they see that they also have a long target, many will be Gentiles. Gentiles will...

I'm going to give our email address for those of you who would like to join the conversation with a question of your own. ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give your first name at least and the city and state where you reside and the country where you reside if you are outside of the United States.

ChrisArnzen.

Yes. Chris, I'm sorry.

I don't want to broad brush here. We know that each of these eschatological views that we are presenting over the following five days, six days in total, there's going to be listeners who say that their view has not been represented as they see things.

And of course, that would be impossible to keep everybody happy because there are differences of opinion and different views, even within each camp of eschatology. But some who identify themselves as pre-tribulational, pre-millennialists or dispensationalists believe that there will be a change in the gospel itself during the Great Tribulation, that salvation will no longer be by grace alone through faith alone, and that it will be required of men to perform good deeds as a means to inherit eternal life.

And as Peter Ruckman put it in his Millions Disappear, before the rapture, you could have been saved by grace through faith plus nothing, as in Ephesians 2, 8 through 9. But one minute after the rapture took place, you must get out the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule and start learning them, because you're going to be judged by them, as in Matthew 25, 31 through 46.

And he later says, it will take faith in Christ's shed blood plus works, exactly as in the Old Testament, it took faith and shed blood and works. Do you agree or disagree with that scenario?

Well, let me just say that as always, today, we look back as a gross Ruckman.

We do have a listener, Dean in Santa Rosa, California, who asks, could you cite a single New Testament text that explicitly teaches that Jesus will remove his people to heaven.

For seven years? No, I say this, but I tell you, all right, so what I'm reading again, even him, that is with Jesus, those who have fallen asleep and who have died during this age will come with him. For this we say, the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel who are alive and remain when he said in the upper room.

Now, what about the three chronology that is outlined in Revelation? We're going to be going to a break right now.

If you'd like to join us on the air with questions for our guests, submit them to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com, and please at least give your first name, the city and state where you reside, and the country where you reside if you are outside of the USA.

Don't go away, we'll be right back with Pastor Ron Glass of Wading River Baptist Church and our discussion on pre-tribulational premillennialism during our six-day eschatological.

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Call them at 631 -929 -3512 for service times. 631 -929 -3512 or check out their website at wrbc .us. That's wrbc .us. Welcome back. This is Chris Arns, and if you just tuned us in, it is day number two of our End Times Marathon, which began yesterday and which will conclude a week from yesterday on Monday, the 24th of August.

Today, our guest for the first hour has been Ron Glass, pastor of Wedding River Baptist Church and former adjunct professor of Bible exposition at Talbot School of Theology. His website is wrbc .us. Our second hour, in just about a half hour from now, will be featuring our guest Michael J. Vlock.

That's V as in victory, L-A-C-H. He's the associate professor of theology at the Master's Seminary, and he is also the president of theologicalstudies .org and the author of six books. He will be taking up the mantle when Pastor Ron leaves to continue the discussion in defense of pre-tribulational premillennialism.

And again, our email address, if you have questions, is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com. And let me just say one more time quickly that if you live in Suffolk County, Long Island, or you have friends or family that do, or if you are ever planning to visit the Hamptons or anywhere in the eastern Suffolk County, please, I urge you to pay a visit to Wedding River Baptist Church, pastored by our guest Ron Glass.

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The Beast, the False Prophet, the Antichrist, and the Whore of Babylon

Going back to our discussion, Pastor Ron, who or what is the beast, the false prophet,.

And the antichrist? Well, there were ways of governing that. And who or what is the whore of Babylon or the harlot? Well, in light of what I've just said, I think that the...

Do you believe Zechariah 13, 8 warns of a future holocaust for the Jewish people, worse than the Nazi holocaust, during which two-thirds of the Jewish population in Israel will perish? And if so, why are so many dispensationalists excited over Jews returning.

To Israel? That question, Isaiah chapter 40, verse 1, iniquity has been removed, that she has received a judgment, Matthew chapter 20, and so the Jewish regard to how they... So it's going to be a judgment.

I say that on the basis... Take a ransom. Listen to what he says in Numbers 5. Blood has never been... And especially we think... How is that following that there's going to... The whole... Is it a fairly dominant interpretation of the sheep.

And the goats amongst dispensationalists, that this is referring to nations and not individuals?

We have a difference with regard to the judgment, and I think that the judgment of...

The... Describe in further detail, as much as you can, obviously from the scriptures, the thousand-year reign of Christ and the binding of Satan, where we get the concept of the millennium from in Revelation 20.

I know that you touched on the millennium already in the opening of our.

Program, but if you could describe this in more detail. Well, this thousand-year Messiah, not present, but only told in Revelation... We have a listener named Christian in Carlisle,.

Pennsylvania, who writes, we know that in Psalm 50, that it says that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, and obviously God owns the cattle on all hills more than a thousand. Could this description of a thousand-year period in Revelation 20 be merely a description of a.

Long period of time? The question... We have another listener, Arnie in Perry County,.

Pennsylvania, who writes, I take it that you are most likely a conservative or fundamentalist Baptist, and from what I know of fundamentalist Baptists, they are very leery of accepting new ideas. Does it concern you that the pre-tribulational, pre-millennial concept of eschatology is in and of itself a new idea when you compare the length of church history, since there doesn't seem to be any appearance of this in literature prior to the 19th century?

And secondly... Yeah, I don't know if I read the question wrong, but he was specifically talking about the pre-tribulational aspect of it. Well, the pre-tribulational aspect is just development from pre-millennial.

And I'd like to have you the opportunity to clarify something.

Even though you are a dispensationalist and would not be categorized as reformed particularly, you are a thoroughgoing, sovereign, grace-believing Baptist, nicknamed Calvinist, are you not?

I am, sir. Yes, I just wanted my listeners to know that because I, as a reformed Christian,.

Have been really falling in love with your preaching and teaching, and in spite of any differences that we may have, I think that you are one of the finest preachers that I've ever heard actually, and especially on the Long Island area, and heartily recommend people visit your church, Wading River Baptist Church.

Wrbc .us is the website, and if you could, you have about a minute and a half to conclude with what's most burning on your heart and mind.

That you want to share with our listeners before you leave. I think the thing that has become...

Thank you so much, my dear brother, and I look forward to having you back on the program. For those of you listening, Michael Vlock, that's V as in victory, L-A-C-H, who is the Associate Professor of Theology at the Master's Seminary, the seminary founded by renowned dispensationalist Dr. John MacArthur, he is going to be picking up the mantle on the exact same issue where Pastor Ron Glass left off, and he is also going to be affirming the pre-tribulational and pre-millennial notion or view of eschatology, and so we urge you to hold on, and we'll be right back after these messages.

Thank you very much, Pastor Ron Glass, and I can't wait to have you back on the program. And our email address is chrisarnson at gmail dot com. That's chrisarnson at gmail dot com, and we look forward to receiving your questions for Michael J. Vlock right after these messages, so don't go away.

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Dispensationalism, Israel and the Church, and the Pre-Tribulational Rapture

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnes, and if you've just tuned us in, our guest for the second hour of our examination of pre-tribulational premillennialism from two different proponents of that view. Our second hour begins now with Michael J. Vlock, who is the associate professor of theology at the Master's Seminary in California.

He is also the president of theologicalstudies .org, and he is the author of six books. In fact, I know that one of those books is about to be released any day now. Some of the other things he has written are Has the Church Replaced Israel? A Theological Evaluation, The Church as a Replacement of Israel? An Analysis of Supercessionism, Dispensationalism, Essential Beliefs and Common Myths, and Philosophy 101, The Big Idea for the 101 Most Important People and Ideas in Philosophy.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time as a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron, Michael J. Vlock.

Chris, thanks for having me. It's a joy to be on the program, and thanks for doing this series on eschatology. I've been enjoying it so far, and I'm glad you asked me to be a part of it.

The pleasure is all mine, and I'm sure the pleasure of many of our listeners. If you could, tell us something about theologicalstudies .org.

Yeah, theologicalstudies .org, the theological issues, you know, from the perspective of a as well. And I just want to say to our listeners that you came with the highest recommendations.

From Dennis Swanson, who works there in the library at the Master's Seminary, and I've gotten to know Dennis a little bit over the years. Never met him face-to-face, through internet interaction, and have been very impressed by things that he has posted on the internet.

And if he that enthusiastically recommended you, I knew that you were definitely someone whose opinion was worthy of hearing. And what's the latest book that is supposed to be out in the stores and in the internet warehouses any moment now?

Well, it has a simple title. The subtitle is, Why There Must Be a Future Earthly Kingdom of Jesus. And one thing I try to do with the book is not only discuss why I believe that premillennialism is the correct view, it's the what of premillennialism, but also trying to lay out how it fits into the Bible storyline.

Let me repeat our email address here. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Michael J. Vlock, it's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. That's C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. And please, at least, give your first name, your city and state of residence, and the country where you reside if you live outside of the USA.

And we look forward to having you join us in the conversation. I just also wanted to make sure I'm pronouncing your name correctly. Is it Vlock? Was I correct?

You are. You're correct, Chris. Thanks for getting it right.

We already have a listener from Sharpsburg, Georgia, who asks, Has the pre-trib, premillennial view been held since the early church or more recently in the last century or two? Now, we just had someone else ask Pastor Ron Glass before the break that question, and I'll have, I guess, perhaps Lou from Sharpsburg just tuned in.

So, if you'd like to answer that. The question in regard to premillennialism.

And pre-trib in history? Yes. How far back in history can you specifically find a pre-tribulational view or dispensational view? Because it is pretty much agreed by people of all eschatological views that I know of that premillennialism can be found in the ancient writings of the church, but that's the pre-trib issue and the dispensational issue that gives more reasons for concern on the part of your eschatological opponents, if you will.

Right. I think when it comes to, I'll try to answer both, when it comes to including premillennialism, including particularly in the early years of the church of belief in a salvation and restoration of Israel, a coming Antichrist, again, the significance of the city of Jerusalem, say, today, that would find...

Again, I would just want to note, too, that in the early church, you don't have theological systems like you do now, or Protestant theological systems. I mean, covenant theology itself is a post-Reformation development, but after that...

So when we're coming with... We do find our statements from the early church fathers on various aspects pertaining to... Of theology. So I just wanted to be clear on that. You know, when it comes to the pre-tribulational doctrine, I mean, I do think it's in the early 19th century that you find it explicit.

Part of the reason for that is that it wasn't too long into church history that there was a... And the view preceded Israel's place in the plan of God, and that's been a very dominant view. You know, pre-trib rapture is pre-trib doctrine.

When you come to the 19th century and the rise... Just at that point... Yeah, and I just wanted to remind.

Our listeners that we are going to be addressing all of the major eschatological views over the next five days. We began yesterday, so it will be six days in total, and we will never be making everybody happy because there are variations within each view and so on, and it is also not my purpose during the marathon on eschatology to constantly butt in to our guests' comments and disagree with them and so on.

I am merely here to ask questions and get their answers on these issues. So, and of course, as I said before, if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail dot com. Chrisarnson at gmail dot com.

Now, we've already had Pastor Glass go over the basic concepts of pre-tribulational, pre-millennialism about the rapture and so on, and now we are at a place where I'd like to begin where we are in the millennium.

I'm talking about in our discussion, not in an amillennial sense, but our glorified saints who were once enjoying indescribable bliss in paradise with Christ going to be once again experiencing sorrow, grief, and anguish during the millennium, as they did before their death, since they will be returning to a world surrounded with mortal, sinful men, and surrounded by mortal, sinful men, and will be witnesses to sin and death, even if it's to a lesser degree before Christ's physical reign.

Well, I think the context.

Of the statement would be the pre-mill, pre-trib belief, that you would actually have saints raptured before the tribulation period that would take place for seven years and then come back. So when the question is talking about glorified saints who were once enjoying indescribable bliss in paradise, what's it going to be like for them?

Are they going to experience sorrow and grief and anguish during the millennium on the earth? I would say that the question is a little bit misguided in the sense that paradise in heaven is not the ultimate destiny for the saints.

Yes, the saints are going to be taken up into heaven during the tribulation period so they can escape the wrath of the day of the Lord during that particular time, but I look at passages even like Revelation 6, 9 to 11, which actually describes the souls of those who have been martyred during this particular period, and they're taken up into heaven.

We see that even when they're in heaven, they have a longing for the earth and for justice to be done on the earth. Revelation 6, 9, they've been slain because of the Word of God and because of the testimony which they have maintained.

So these are people that have been executed for the cause of Christ, and they're in... In verse 10, it says that they... Revelation 6, 10, it says, they cried out with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, will you refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

It's interesting there because it indicates that they have an interest in the earth and what's taken... I just find that very interesting that... Now, I understand these would be people in the tribulation who have been killed and are up in heaven, but they're up in heaven nonetheless, and it's not like they get up to heaven and say, Hey, this is our thinking of the earth.

How long, O Lord, to you avenge... Revelation 5, 10, where we're told that the ones that Christ purchased with His blood, that they have been made a kingdom and they will reign upon the earth. It's interesting in the heavenly sense that they're going to reign upon the earth.

Now, I would also just add to that as well, the way the question was worded almost sounds like it would come to a millennium, that it's going to be grief and sorrow and anguish and all these sorts of things.

My understanding is that the kingdom, Isaiah 25 and other passages presented as a messianic banquet, that's something that's very well... Passages like Isaiah 65, 20 and the end of Zechariah chapter 14 indicate that there can be sin during this particular time.

It doesn't mean that it's characterized by sin and grief and anguish. So, I think this is a time of joy. It's rejoicing. Christ is ruling as king upon the earth. So, I think it will be a wonderful time, horrified at the time of the rapture, but again, find themselves on the earth, but they're...

According to Revelation 5, 10, the earth is their destiny for the world.

Yeah, I didn't mean in my question to indicate that this was going to be just like the tribulation in your description of it, and that it would be a less sorrowful period of time than before the physical reign of Christ, but it still will include mortal, sinful men living in this millennium, and Christ is for some reason ruling with a rod of iron, is he not?

Right. So, obviously, there's a rod of iron because there are people who are.

Sinning and rebelling in some fashion. Right, yeah. Okay, and a common objection,.

As you probably know, to pre-millennialism is found in Ezekiel's temple vision in Ezekiel 40 through 48, when amillennialists and post-millennialists argue that if this is a future temple, that it will require a return to the sacrificial system that Christ made obsolete since the prophet speaks of atonement in Ezekiel 43, 27, 45, 17, and so on.

Critics believe this to be a blasphemous contradiction to the finished work of Christ, as presented in Hebrews 10,.

And I was wondering how you respond to that. Yeah, I think that's a great, that's a good, honest question. I mean, you know, I find that personally to be the question that's probably asked most, and again, Ezekiel is about rebuke and judgment for Israel, but in Ezekiel 8 -11, you actually have Ezekiel seeing the temple, and he's seeing the glory of the Lord leaving the temple.

So I think Ezekiel 8 -11 is going to be very important when you look at Ezekiel's temple in Ezekiel 40 -48. Once you hit Ezekiel 33 and onward, it's talking about the restoration of Israel. So like most of the heavy condemnation for Israel for breaking the Mosaic covenant up front, but then there's this promise of restoration that will come in the future.

I do think it's significant in Ezekiel 36 and 37, which is a passage that you actually find in New Covenant Realities, verse 25, you know, in the context of clean water on you, and then in verse 26, God says, I will give you a new heart, and then you actually have the promise of heaven where I put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statue for me.

I mean, those are clear. So I think when you get to Ezekiel 40 -48, I think there's going to have to be an understanding that, you know, if there is going to be a literal film of those things that are talked about, it's not a return.

When you do come to Ezekiel 40 -48, which is, you know, the most controversial glory of God, and he looks at the architecture that's discussed in very detail. So one of the things you have to deal with there is, you know, why is there all this very minute detail of this temple?

One of the things that I would want to say as I address this issue, that there is a wide variety of this. While most affirm a literal temple, any sacrifice, for those who do, you know, including myself, millennium, I think it does.

A lot of people need to be in the future that that would violate Hebrews. I don't think it does. I think in Hebrews, individuals who are thinking of turning from Christ, from his ultimate point, the situations are different.

I would also add it in mind in this issue is that the sacrifices in the Old Testament, although there were multiple, Hebrews chapter 10, if there end up being sacrifices in the millennium by a restored Israel as an act of worship, that would be looking ahead.

The Final Rebellion, Dispensationalism, and the Church

Let me repeat our email address. It's chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. If you could describe the final rebellion after the millennium.

Glad to do that. Okay, the chronology we're heading, the questions in regard to the rebellion, in the section here, it seems like almost everybody within the pre-mill, post-mill, amill understanding agrees that Revelation 19, 11 and following is describing the second coming of Christ, of his enemies.

According to a pre-millennial understanding, Revelation 20 with the binding of Satan and then the reign of the martyrs, those ones who were killed in Revelation 6, 9, 11, we're told that they come to life and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

So those who were martyred of Christ, that takes place at the second coming. And so you have this thousand year reign of Christ that's taking place. But the question is mostly in regard to, we're told in Revelation chapter 20, verse 7, that when the thousand years were completed, Satan will be released from his prison.

He comes out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, which seems to be a reference to what Ezekiel 38 and 39 discussed. And it talks about that they're gathered together for the war.

The number of them is like the sand of the sea. What ends up happening is that they come up on the broad plain of the earth, they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city. I take it that the beloved city would be the city of Jerusalem.

Fire comes down from heaven and destroys and devours them, which is also discussed in Ezekiel 38 and 39. And then we're told at that particular time that the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire, and they will be tormented day and night forever.

That Satan has a purse deceiving the nations, that's curtailed. He is a person, he's not able to deceive the nations anymore. So when a person is incarcerated, their function comes to an end. But we're told here, you know, within Christ, that may seem hard to believe, that you can actually have people not coming to sin, the non-alike perfect access to God in heaven by Adam and Eve.

I mean, sin never does make sense. You do have this rebellion, and there's a lot of unbelief this rebellion is put out.

Now, will Jesus Christ still be, in your view, physically present when this rebellion occurs?

Well, I think, yeah, you are having to create or add to the eternal state.

And if you could, define dispensationalism, since you and Pastor Glass are dispensationalists,.

If you could define that for our listeners. Okay, and again, I just want to affirm that dispensationalism, like covenant, I think would be a good working definition of theology that emphasizes distant historical grammatical interpretation to all.

It also emphasizes a distinction, and it's emphasized first Adam failed, told by God to rule five over the earth, Jerusalem, capital nation of the Israel, according to Isaiah 2 .2. I really think that's, I'm going to mention a few other things, but I think that's really at the heart of it.

A historical grammatical, it's all Bible passages, and I'm sure we'll hear more about that, but it's a holistic system that takes into account, I also think it's holistic under individuals. This is all centered in King Jesus, based on the vacuum of knowledge.

I think another thing that's really important is that the idea that the New Testament harmonizes, and that no passage, the New Testament, maybe just one more thing would be, is disproportionalism or fulfillment theology, in which there would be the belief that national Israel is no longer significant in all of the above, this is a both and, this is not an either or, Christ 49 verse 6, we see that Christ who is the ultimate, so in this sense.

And before we go to our last break, I'm assuming that although the.

Pre-tribulational aspect of your eschatology is dominant in dispensationalism, there are.

Some who are not specifically pre-trib. Yeah, that's very important to understand. I think the rapture is an attempt at the idea of understanding the kingdom program, understand.

Which are more foundational. We're going to our last station break, so if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Michael J. Vlock, Associate Professor of Theology at the Master's Seminary in California, on the issue of dispensationalism, or more in particularly, the pre-tribulational, pre-millennial eschatological view.

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