RLL 28 - Out of Control: Migrants and the US/Mexico Border

Welcome to radio looks elicit. I'm your host Steve Matthews. Thanks for joining me today for episode number 28. Their title this episode out of control migrants and the u .s. Mexico border. Recording this it's Friday March 15th in the evening and if you follow the news here, you may have seen that earlier today president Donald Trump issued his first veto and He rejected a measure designed to overturn the declared national emergency.

That he plans to use in order to Allocate funds to build the wall across the the southern border across the u .s. Mexico border. So I wanted to talk a bit about immigration today. I know sometimes it seems like this has become all immigration all the time, but I think immigration is.

It's a fascinating topic for a number of reasons. It's an important topic for a number of reasons. And I think it's one it's a topic that's not really covered all that well in the mainstream media. And it's certainly not covered very well in Among say Christian writers.

There's not a lot of really solid commentary out there on it. There's some there is some but not a lot and I think there's an opportunity As a as a podcaster as a writer. I really see this as an opportunity to take some time to To talk about this subject and talk about it from a biblical perspective.

Because so much of what you hear is of course not based on on the scriptures at all, but it's it's based upon man's opinion and of course really one of the things that's driving the immigration debate in this country is the Philosophy the political and the economic philosophy of the Roman Church State.

I've written about that extensively. In a recent series, maybe you've seen something on my blog. It's a series called Mexico mass migration in the example of Moses I'm up to. I just did I think it was I think it was part 21 last week Lord William I'm gonna be writing part 22 this week, which I intend to be the final sort of the wrap-up to the whole series and So the immigration has been a lot of my mind over the past several months.

And I think this is a good time to do a podcast about. I don't know if I've really talked about this much I'm a podcast. I know I've written about it quite a bit. It's a subject as I said, I've got a lot I have interest in this.

I've been interested and fascinated about this for years and The more I study it the more interesting it gets to me. It really does. So anyway, let's dive in today I don't have this really scripted out.

So I'm gonna this is gonna be maybe a a little bit ad hoc. But I hope this holds together in a way that that makes sense and is interesting for you. So starting here I've got a story here. This is some NBC News.

Here's the headline. Trump issues first veto rejecting measure to overturn border declaration. The president declared a national emergency to make an end run around Congress to obtain billions of dollars in federal funds for his wall.

Now obviously you can see from that sort of that that headline and that sub headline there NBC Surprise surprise doesn't think much of of Donald Trump's veto, you know, they describe it as an end around.

So they they do it on a sort of a pejorative way now I'm not going to sit here today and spend a lot of time talking about the constitutionality or the lack of constitutionality of Trump's border declaration a national emergency.

Personally I would very much like to have seen him handled that legislatively gotten that money appropriated through Congress. For the life of me. I don't understand why this wasn't done in 2017. Yeah, I'm not sure what may have happened there and I don't intend to try to speculate too much on it here at this point but it's it's it it's it's been a point of real frustration for me and for a lot of other Americans that the money to Was the money for the wall was not appropriated in 2017.

I mean you had a Republican House you had a Republican Senate and of course you had a Republican White House and yet they still couldn't get the job done. And I don't understand why that's the case.

That's.

But at this point, of course, that's that's water over the dam and there's not too much sense in crying about that. But yeah, there there are some people who don't like the idea of the national emergency and think this is unconstitutional.

And these are some good people for instance Ran Paul one of my favorite senators, maybe my favorite senator.

Voted.

Against Trump's National national emergency declaration in the House of Representatives Representative Massey voted against the.

The.

Trump's national emergency declaration. Again, Representative Massey is really a good congressman. Ran Paul is a really good congressman. These are men that I admire and yet both of them have opposed Donald Trump on his declaration of a national emergency.

There have been other people have come out and made some strong arguments Against the national emergency. I'm not going to sit here though and spend a lot of time discussing that. What I do want to discuss though is the fact that we do have a very serious issue on the border.

And it's an issue that that needs to be addressed and we have a significant number of people in Congress Who not only refuse to deal with the issue, but they actually encourage more of the problem. And of course I'm speaking here partially of the Democrats.

Because these are people of course, you know. They they look and they see what's going on there on the border and what they're doing is they're importing a constituency. You know, sometimes they use the term undocumented Undocumented workers or illegal aliens.

Well, these are undocumented Democrats. Really? I mean they hope to import them into the country give them citizenship to something like the Dream Act or DACA or you know, what what have you and Ensure that they vote Democratic.

I mean, that's their game plan. I've got one one fellow that I follow on YouTube. His name is Greg Hunter. He likes to use the term They want to flood the zone. Okay, you know these you know the Democrats they want to flood the zone with a bunch of illegal aliens.

They want to have sanctuary cities. They want to have sanctuary states. They want these people to get voting rights and citizenship and Essentially override the votes of the American people, you know, they want them to cast the votes that the American people won't cast.

You know, they can't sell enough nonsense to the American people. So they have to import a constituency that will vote for it. And I think really bottom line. That's what comes down for the Democrats and What I'm going to talk about to a little bit is the role of the Roman Catholic Church in all of this the the Roman Catholic Church is in some ways you might say the unindicted co-conspirator of all of of this massive Problem we have with illegal immigration in the United States.

They have provided the the intellectual the theoretical framework of which all of this mass immigration is the practice. You know the relationship between theory and practice theory always comes first practice second.

You know practice is always the practice of a theory. You know you put a piece of toast in a toaster oven because you have a prior idea that if I put a piece of piece of Bread in a toaster oven that it's going to toast it and that toast is going to taste good.

You know, maybe we'll put some jam on it or some honey. You know, I like butter and honey on mine generally. But but you know you Have this idea that by putting your toast in a toaster oven that or your bread in a toaster oven that it's going to turn into toast and that that toast is going to be good and I'm going to enjoy eating that and And generally it works out that way unless of course you burn it and then maybe it's not so good.

But.

The idea you've got this theory that you know that if you put the toast the bread in the toaster oven That's going to do something that you want it to do. It's going to toast it. Well That's a very simple example.

But you can find this in in much more complex situations much more important situations maybe I should put it that way and that certainly includes the issue with the with immigration. This massive amount of immigration we're having this mass amount of illegal immigration all of this this asylum-seeking all of this.

These DACA declarations all of this this hullabaloo and demonstrations and things that you see from from various Advocates of this sort of mass illegal immigration into the United States. It's all based upon a theory and that theory.

That theory economic and political is supplied by the Roman Church State and it's something I've talked about quite a bit in in the The series that I've written Mexico mass migration the example of Moses.

That's really the the one thing that I wanted to talk about because it's the big thing. It's the 500 pound gorilla in the room. That's really not been I think sufficiently analyzed. And what I did is I went back and I looked at a number of papal documents principally one called excel familia, Nazareth.

Hanna you know the emigre family of Nazareth is That's the English the excel familia, that's that's the original Latin title of it it was written in 1952 by Pope Pius the 12th, and then there was a second document that I examined very closely and It's called strangers no longer together on the journey of hope and it was a declaration written.

It was a code declaration written by the you the US Conference of Catholic bishops the USCCB as one way to abbreviate them, but the US Conference of Catholic bishops they Decided to join as a partner in crime.

The.

Mexican Conference of Catholic bishops, and they wrote this document and it's it's just enough. It's just an abomination. It's just appalling and It's it's really the theory the economics and the politics that you find in those two documents Excel family and strangers no longer that really lays the groundwork for all this mess that we have.

So I hold the Roman Catholic Church Responsible maybe even largely responsible maybe mostly responsible for the problems that we're having with immigration. I'm gonna touch on that a little bit here in today's podcast.

But I just wanted to kind of throw that out there to start with. So anyway, so Trump signs this veto and what it's what he did is is he rejected? Congress's attempt to stop him from using Federal dollars to fund the wall but of course that's going to go back to Congress and The idea is I think that some people think that they're going to be able to override Donald Trump's veto and Lo and behold today we have in in the hill.

That's a publication the hill. It's a you know, it's of course referring to Capitol Hill is the name is the reason it's called that. But this is an article from today and from March 15th, 2019. And here's the headline.

Dems preparing next steps after Trump's veto. And it begins. Democrats are planning to vote that aims to override President Trump's veto of legislation blocking his emergency declaration an effort That's all but certain to fail.

The house will hold a veto override vote on March 26 shortly after lawmakers return from a week-long recess Speaker Nancy Pelosi Democrat, California announced Friday. The measure is unlikely to garner the necessary two-thirds majority.

Given it only 13 House Republicans joined with the Democrats in support of a resolution last month to block Trump's emergency declaration to build a border wall, so what the what the hill is saying and what the Conventional wisdom here at this point is is that there the Democrats they are not going to have enough votes to override the veto so what this is really saying is that that Trump's going to go ahead and get the the money and Be able to appropriate the money to build the wall.

Now. I strongly suspect that Even if this vote on March 26 fails as it probably will at this point even if that fails. So let's suppose for a moment that that you know, they they can't override Trump's veto.

Well, that's not gonna be the end of it of course, and I have no doubt that there's gonna be just massive amounts of lawsuits and They're gonna try to just jam this thing up in the court every way they can.

It's gonna be very interesting to watch this legal fight. Well, maybe interesting. It's not the right way. It's gonna be pretty frustrating I have to admit it's it's hard to sit here and watch this because here's the thing we have a manifest we manifestly have a disaster.

An immigration disaster on our hands and this really shouldn't be Be something that's up for debate it really isn't in my opinion the public officials, you know, whether they're people in Congress whether they are Governors whether they're people in state legislatures County legislatures Mayor's City Councilman any of these people who have voted for various sanctuary measures who?

Refuse to Turn over people who are in the country illegally to to ice to federal authorities for deportation these people. Their actions and their words are in my view. They're treasonous. You know, they are exposing the American people to massive danger.

There was an article this week. I believe it was in Santa Clara, California at San Jose Where a a woman was killed? By an illegal immigrant and someone who the The officials there I think in the county.

I think it was in Santa Clara County. Refused to turn him over to ice and they refused to take any kinds of actions to get this guy out of the country. And he killed this woman. And of course, you've probably seen other stories like that as well and in my view Public officials who who do that sort of thing are blood guilty.

They they they have blood on their hands. Because they refuse to do their job. They refuse to do it and they simply flat-out refuse to do what they're supposed to do. They will not punish evildoers. They will not punish people who violate our laws.

And not only will they not punish it. They seem to flat-out encourage it. They want more of this stuff. They think it's awesome well, it's not awesome and People are dying because of that Americans and not just Americans, you know.

This is one of the things that you hear about a lot or you know, you you read about people who die in the desert. Well, why are people dying in the desert? Because they think they can get in the United States if they think that they think if they get into the United States.

That they're gonna be showered with fabulous cash and prizes and you know what? They're probably not wrong. So, I mean, you know, we have on this one hand. We have this very sort of Almost schizophrenic message that we send out as Americans, you know, we say on the one hand don't come to this country.

Don't violate our border laws, you know, don't you know, don't don't disrespect our immigration laws. But if you do and you happen to get away with it, well, we're gonna shower you with fabulous cash and prizes.

And then we and then we're surprised when people go out and die in the desert. I mean that shouldn't be surprising and again, I think the officials who encourage The breaking of American immigration law.

Have the blood of those people on their hands. Because they encourage they promote that stuff. Not only will they not do anything to stop it. Not only will they not vote to say appropriate wall money for a wall.

Not only will they thwart every effort to through the courts to change policies like say such as asylum applications. Not only will they not do any of those things, but they actually positively encourage people to come and break the law.

They encourage people to come to this country. You know, the Democrats want to import a constituency the Roman Catholics. They want to import a constituency. The Roman Catholic Church does this. You know the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and I'm gonna gonna read a few statements that they made here made here recently.

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is a fifth column. It is a treasonous organization and yet nobody. Nobody will go after them, you know, they sit there and they issue this just they just talk nonsense constantly and yet no one ever seems to think that.

To to call them out on this and that's an outrage. All right, so let's let's let's move on here. Now one of the things that we've heard here over the last several months is well. Yeah, I mean how many times you've heard this, you know, you've heard people come and say well, you know.

All the illegal border crossings are down. It's at a low after years and years and years. There's you know, there's no emergency down there. There's nothing wrong going on at the border. Everything's awesome.

Well, you know, there's been some stories that have been run recently. They really give lie to that. Let's take a look at one of them. Now. This is some Breitbart news and It has a this is from March 13th.

So it's just a couple days ago. It's a very recent story. Here's the the headline ice Union. Of course ice is the immigrations.

Is the.

Immigration enforcement arm of the government and It's headline is ice Union. Thousands of illegal aliens are being released into the u .s. With catch and release and overdrive. So what's catch and release?

This is a really important thing to understand. Catch and release is you know? They they catch these people coming into the country at the border.

And.

What they do is they claim? Oh, well, you know, we're persecuted in our home countries and we're seeking asylum and. So what they get held in in a detention center at some point. But that detention center doesn't have infinite capacity and at some point, you know.

People have that have been in there for a while. They need to be cleared out in order for new people who have been Arrested or turned themselves into border agents claiming asylum can also be put into that detention center and have their cases processed.

So what happens is the people have been there for a while? They they kind of get they get a court date and they get released into the country and they say well come back on your Court date. Well, guess what happens nobody ever comes back.

And of course, it's completely absurd, but this is what's going on on our southern border. So let's read a little bit of this article here the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement. So that's what ice is immigration and Customs Enforcement ice Council says that agents are being overwhelmed by mass unchecked illegal immigration in the United States.

In a letter to President Trump this week the ice union wrote that catch and release program. Whereby border crossers and illegal aliens are swiftly released into the interior of the u .s. After being detained is an overdrive as agents are forced to release illegal aliens and mass.

To make space for new border crossers who likewise will eventually be released. The ice letter notes. It goes on here as you know every day thousands of illegal aliens are being released into the United States by your administration.

Catch and release is not just happening. It's an overdrive. Catch and release must continue as ice doesn't have sufficient custody space to hold the massive number of family units illegally entering the United States every day.

DHS resources on the border are overwhelmed political games in Washington DC have rendered the United States completely incapable of controlling its southern border. Completely incapable of controlling its on the border.

This is from the ice Union, okay. Does that disturb anybody? You know that that to me is just astounding. That this kind of thing is allowed to go on. This is what's happening in your country. You know what?

I say this to my fellow Americans. This is what's being done to us by our elected officials. They think that this is okay. They think this is awesome. Well, not all of them, but some of them do I Think this is an outrage and I I struggle when I when I see things like this.

I I really struggle to adequately express the the anger that I feel and in you know, the the anger it it's actually Not really so much at the the illegal aliens that are doing this stuff. No, I I don't like what they're doing.

I Don't like what they're doing. I can understand why they're doing it. No my the the anger that I have isn't at Mexico and it's it's not at Guatemala or Honduras or these countries where these these people are coming from the anger that I have is the People who try to justify this.

Whether these are Democratic politicians whether these are Roman Catholic bishops whether these are Yeah, I don't know what quite the word is. There there are a lot of evangelicals out there who also support this sort of thing now.

They're evangelicals of a certain sort. Some people have called them Soros evangelicals because some of their own they some of them are in the pay of George Soros. And I'm thinking about people in organizations such as the evangelical immigration table which is a an organ a supposedly evangelical organization that has at least in the past gotten Either directly or perhaps indirectly funding through George Soros.

I'm thinking about people like Russell Moore who go out and constantly Berate their fellow evangelicals for opposing some of this stuff. I Mean, I guess apparently Russell Moore must think this kind of thing is awesome I don't know but I mean I've you know, when you read his stuff and He's written a lot publicly on immigration, you know, he He almost reflexively Takes the side of the illegal immigrants and almost reflexively.

Opposes.

What's good for his country and what's good for his countrymen and even what is supported by the majority of of evangelicals certainly of Southern Baptists and I think of Evangelicals of Protestants in general he opposes that may have tremendous amount of anger for the the words and for the actions of these men and.

Of course, you know the the Roman Catholic bishops the US Conference of Catholic bishops. They're out there front and center leading the way on this stuff. And again, we're gonna get to them in just a minute here.

But I got a few other news stories. I wanted to take a look at here's one today. This is actually from the Washington Post the WAPO Jeff Bezos blog as some people like to sarcastically refer to it. Of course, the Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos who is the the owner of the founder of Amazon.

That's why they they call it that.

But.

Anyway, there was a story in the Washington Post it's kind of interesting that this would actually be in the Washington Post because of course the Washington Post is has always been a sort of a Democrat sort of a liberal publication and they've been very adamantly opposed For the most part to any type of immigration control.

There's a very interesting story in today's Washington Post from March 15th 2019 here's the headline the conveyor belt. US officials say massive smuggling effort is speeding immigrants to and across the southern border.

And it talks here it says criminal organizations in Mexico have mounted a lucrative new smuggling operation that uses express buses. To deliver Guatemalan migrant families to the US border in a matter of days.

Making the journey faster easier and safer according to US law enforcement reports in US Guatemala and Guatemalan officials. So we've got a little bit of entrepreneurship going on here in violating u .s. Customs laws.

So instead of people having to haul all the way up from the from Guatemala. Which is on the southern border of Mexico all the way up to the United States, and I don't know. What's the distance there? It's probably 1 ,500 miles.

Maybe longer than that. I don't know offhand, but I'd say probably at least 1 ,500 miles. So it's a pretty good haul, you know. And that's what you've heard about these caravans over the past year and that's the route people have been taking.

You know, that's a long way to walk on foot and now of course the caravans it's not they're not completely on foot. I mean a lot of times they're Getting rides or riding on trains or riding on buses or on trucks what-have-you, but it's been kind of a haphazard sort of thing.

Sort of catch-as-catch-can when it comes to getting mechanized transportation. But you know a lot of that ground has been covered on foot. So anyway, they've got this this new sort of superhighway this.

Guess what? Did they call that here a conveyor belt? I guess that's the conveyor belts. That's the word that the Washington Post used to bring people up from Guatemala into the United States. And apparently they said that the it's $7 ,000 per adult with child.

Says families are transported to staging areas at ranches and hotels in southern Mexico. Where they're organizing the bus groups and rushed north along Mexican highways stopping only for food fuel and bathroom breaks according to u .s law enforcement documents.

Wow, you know, I mean so they you know, they they hop on the Greyhound bus. I mean, I don't know. Maybe they had these did they get these tours arranged? I mean, it's just like I don't know like triple-a or something like this.

Yeah, so they get on these buses and yeah, it sounds like a pretty impressive operation. Now here's a paragraph in this article from the Washington Post that I thought was particularly interesting. And let me read that to you within 72 hours of leaving the staging areas again.

The staging areas are in southern Mexico within 72 hours of leaving the staging areas. The buses arrive at predetermined drop-off points within walking distance of the u .s Border migrant families are clustered into groups that have at times exceeded 300 adults and children.

And they walk directly across the border in some cases stepping over barriers in long orderly lines then they surrendered to u .s. Border Patrol agents and initiate asylum claims and then they go to the then they go to the the The asylum holding places and then they you know, and then they're released out into the general public.

So you see you see how the people are coming into the country from the Washington Post you see in the Breitbart article. How these people are held and then released because I got to make room for more people coming up.

You know on the conveyor belt. I mean, you know if you got to clear the end of the conveyor belt, right? I mean I used to work at UPS I remember used to work in the the morning shift and hit his big conveyor belt that brought boxes down and and you had to get those boxes off the line and get them loaded onto your package cars because if you didn't do that you End up getting buried alive under packages.

That's kind of the same thing here with this you got this conveyor belt bringing people up and they drop them off there at the u .s. Mexico border and We hold them for a little while and then we we have to move them on because we got more of them coming on this giant conveyor belt.

And this is the thing that just I I I'd lack the adequate words to express my outrage at this. But they talk about how these people they come over the border and then they surrender to u .s Border Patrol agents and initiate asylum claims.

This is an absolute outrage now the Trump administration. I think this goes back to November December, I think when some of the the caravans were first hitting or on the way during the fall they I Think it was an executive order.

Maybe it was but anyway, what they did is they there was an exact I believe was an executive order that was signed Whereby it required people applying for asylum to do it at an official checkpoint and Of course, this was overturned by some judge.

I think on the Ninth Circuit Court. So this kind of outrageous nonsense continues this is a gross abuse of the generosity of the American people. This is a gross abuse of the asylum of the asylum process.

This is an obvious scam and The scammies are the American people and this was just allowed to go on. So that's the Washington Post now here's another source and you know, and I like quoting from some of these mainstream sources because it's There's a term.

It's called admission against interest. Okay, you know when you you read something out of the Washington Post or the New York Times or some other Mainstream type of a publication and they admit essentially that yeah, there's a big problem here.

When they admit that you know that really kind of goes against their own interest. But you can find these kinds of stories in the mainstream press, you know, it's kind of easy I I kind of consider myself I guess maybe the the the alternate media or what have you know, when you talk about, you know, the whole universe of bloggers and podcasters and and Youtubers and in folks folks like that, you know, I mean we were sort of independent journalists.

Maybe that's what I call myself an independent journalist independent Christian journalist. Well, I mean that you can do a lot of good work that way, you know, I love listening to podcast I love reading blog articles.

I love watching YouTube videos. That's one of the things that kind of inspired me to do this myself. There's a lot of really good work. That's being done out there by independent journalists people who are not part of the mainstream people who are not part of the the corrupt system.

That we have out there today and they stand outside of that and they can actually deliver some very good commentary. You can learn from them, but it's also very interesting to look at. You know sometimes the mainstream media or what some people like to call it the legacy media because there can be some good stuff in In those publications as well.

You got to dig for it a little bit sometimes. But you can find a lot of truth in in the mainstream media. So here's another story. This isn't the New York Times. This is from March 5th, 2019. So a couple weeks ago and Here's the headline border at breaking point.

There's more than 76 ,000 unauthorized Iraq migrants crossing a month. Now once again, this kind of exposes that as a lie that that mean that's been passed around here for the past several months. Oh, there's no emergency on the southern border.

Oh, there's no problems down there. Everything's just great. You know these Donald Trump he's just crazy for wanting to build a wall. It won't work and it's not really needed anyway, because there's nobody down there doing anything.

Who was that one reporter? I think there was that CNN reporter. I don't know. Who's that guy Jim Acosta? I think it was he went down there stood behind the the the wall. The existing segment wall and said well, we don't need a wall.

There's nobody trying to get over here. And the obvious answer is well does cuz there's a wall there. You know. Some of these people sometimes aren't too bright and Of course, Jim Acosta is a fairly caustic individual on top of all that.

Anyway, kind of going back to the New York Times story here border at breaking point is more than 76 ,000 unauthorized migrants cross in a month. And the story goes on the number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records.

I guess it this is the New York Times here get that. This is the New York Times. And they admit in early March 2019 that the The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records.

With unauthorized entries nearly double what they were a year ago. Suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies and not discourage new migration to the United States. Well, they haven't really had a chance to implement very much now have they?

You know.

So somehow it's the Trump administration's policies that are the cause of all of this thing. And if Donald Trump really weren't trying to enforce this stuff, why they all just go away. Now see that's the lie.

But the the article continues more than 76 ,000 migrants cross the border without authorization in February. So in February of February 2019. So just last month an 11-year high and a strong sign that stepped up.

Prosecutions new controls and asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed or remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty. So see what it is. They're fleeing violence and poverty has nothing to do.

You know, it's and and and. You know what they're trying to say here apparently is that there's really nothing we can do to stop this stuff there's all this violence and poverty down there, which is apparently all the Americans fault and.

And we're just supposed to sit here and take this stuff and the more we try to control why the more we're gonna get. Well, you know, I'm sorry. I don't buy that. You know, they make it sound like this is somehow this is something that's inevitable and it is not now.

Talking about the wall, you know in my opinion the wall Can be a piece of the puzzle. But I don't think it's even the most important piece of the puzzle. What we need to do If you really want to solve immigration long term is we need to cut off the perverse incentives that our laws create.

Now, what do I mean by that? Well, I'm talking here of a few things. We need to start in my view with Getting rid of the birthright citizenship. You know, that's the idea that if somebody sneaks into the United States has a baby.

Oftentimes an American taxpayer expense that that child is an instant American citizen, you know, just add water. So all you got to do if you're pregnant is sneak over that border. Have the have your baby on u .s. Soil as I said it very time oftentimes at a hospital at u .s. Taxpayer expense and bingo instant instant American citizen.

And of course that makes it harder to deport the parents. It's not that they can't be deported, but it doesn't make it harder and you know. You're very often hear people say oh you can't deport so-and-so because why so-and-so has three three American children.

Well, how did they become American children? Well, because they were born to somebody illegally in the country and were awarded American citizenship. That is absurd. There's a gross abuse of American citizenship, which is one of the most valuable legal rights anybody can have in the world and We treat it with absolute contempt like complete garbage.

And again, I struggle to adequately express my outrage That this practice is allowed to go on. So we need to get rid of that. We need to start repealing the welfare state we need to get rid of those things as well, but That being the case that doesn't mean that the wall can't be effective.

The wall can be effective. It can be part of a larger process of Getting a handle on some of this. And some of the immigration problems that we have revising our asylum laws we need to take a look at this.