Chalke Schlock and the Penal Substitution

We're going to pray and then we are going to get started Lord Jesus as we open up your word and consider the atonement and consider the sacrifice of Christ for our sins on the cross and the attacks that are

Being spoken against it. So blasphemously we pray that through your Holy Spirit We may rightly understand believe confess and walk and do according to what you have revealed in your

Holy Word We ask in Jesus name. Amen Okay The best way

I can put it is I hope you are sitting down the reason why

I hope you are sitting down is due to the fact that What you are going to hear is probably some of the most egregious blasphemy.

I've heard in a while and You know, so you keep that in mind.

Let's see. Nicole has her hand raised Okay We haven't even started the questions are coming in Bruce Burns is in the house and and Nicole beat

Beat him to it. All right, that's different. Okay, so I see what's going on here. Josh and Nikki are driving

So, oh man, please don't crash that vehicle. Okay, so let's take a look and hang on a second here

I'll check the chat just in case I'm missing anything. Oh, she says that was a mistake. Oh good Okay, that's

That's that's a that's a fine that's a fine thing to confess. Okay. So what we're gonna do We're gonna start with a blasphemous video and I need to make sure that everybody can hear this

This is a guy who is You know quite the rave in the

United Kingdom. His name is Stephen Chalk and This is from one of his chalk talks.

Let me see if I can if y 'all can hear this Hang on a second here. Well, there's no sound yet Don't harm yourself

Bruce don't harm yourself Does anyone already notice the the issue here we've got a problem.

Yes, Bruce Well, we know this Yeah Okay, okay now

Yeah, so When we parents what are we being loving when we discipline our children for doing wrong?

Apparently not right. Okay, apparently not So here's here's part of the issue and I'll kind of explain this so that you understand how this particular game is played

Which biblical text is he preaching from? none

He's taken a verse out of context from the epistle of 1st John God is love okay, and He's now using that to clobber and obliterate all other passages in Scripture He's using it as like the definitive text and anything that doesn't agree with his

Understanding of God is love has to be wrong in a previous video

I and the one that I did on how progressives use the the law of retribution the

Lex Talia honest as a as a way to Obliterate Scripture he for real this fellow claims that Moses put words in God's mouth

That what we have in the Old Testament is not the Bible isn't the Word of God it might contain parts of it, but that Moses put words in God's mouth and And so this is a fellow who is basically picking and choosing those passages that he wants to follow and so I would argue that the the text that he is preaching from we're going to call it the book of first opinions and It's his opinions and his

Misunderstandings and his rhetoric that are the problem not Scripture and then we'll take a look at some clear text along these lines

So already you can kind of get the idea this there's a problem here Let me back it up just a little bit so we can hear this blasphemy again

Homeless neighbor the Bible church -going Storch evangelical

Ned Flanders funders. I don't judge you. I leave that to a rough angry

God to do Of course many if not, most Christians learn to just live with this unthought -through

Dichotomy on one hand they believe in God's grace and goodness

But on the other One of the central acts of their faith Jesus death on the cross is bound up in God's wrath and need for appeasement

For their friends and for the rest of the world, it's all just a massive

Contradiction. It's the elephant in the room If it's true that God's anger could only be satisfied through the death of Jesus Then in fact the

God of the Bible isn't unique at all instead His thirst for blood is no different from that of countless other gods of the ancient world

Isn't God who needs a bloody human sacrifice on a cross in order to give others any different from a

God and requires The virgins have to be sacrificed on the slopes of an angry volcano That's threatening to erupt

And more than that, if this is what Jesus death on the cross was all about Then God it turns out is a slave to his own anger unwilling or unable to forgive those who've wronged or Misunderstood him without first getting his pound of flesh

Yes No That's the thing

He doesn't give us any biblical texts So when you run across somebody who believes these things and believe me when

I tell you that this is a view that is pervasive Among postmodern progressives is they absolutely loathe and abhor the idea of God's wrath

Abhor the doctrine that Christ Suffered our punishment in our place

This is known as Christ vicarious suffering or also the doctrine called penal substitution

And you're going to note that there are entire congregations who bought into this this type of rhetoric and they

For real they're slandering God Notice how he's misrepresented God with his own opinions

And these are what we call in postmodern terms deconstructing questions But again, the job of a pastor is to preach the word

And so the error doesn't lie with God the error lies with this man Again, he's preaching from the book of first opinions

And so we need to take a little bit of a look and understand then

What does scripture teach in regard to the concept of blood guiltiness as it relates to sin?

This was the whole focus of the sermon today And then we're going to note then that as English speakers and people who have

English translations of the Bible Sometimes it's a little bit more difficult for us to get at a proper understanding of how scripture describes

How sin is dealt with due to the fact that we have an English word that has its

Origin in Middle English and the term is at atonement And it for real comes from a

Middle English word at one mint And in the issue is is that You think you know what it means, but you don't

And I find the original languages to be a little bit more helpful in understanding

What's going on in the sacrifices as opposed to the term atonement

Because it doesn't readily lend itself towards getting the idea So if you remember in the sermon today

I talked about the fact that when we talk about Christ's sufferings on the cross That there are kind of two ways that we can look at it

One is in terms of expiation And that is the removing of sin from a sinner

And the other is propitiation Which has to do with God's justice being satisfied

And another word that is used in these terms is the word ransom Now when we hear the word ransom

We think somebody's being held hostage And then you get the phone call from the guy who played

Qui -Gon Jinn And he goes, I have the suitcase full of money

But you will be dead before the morning Something like this What's his name again?

Liam Neeson So when we think of ransom we think of something like that But the biblical concept of ransom coming from the

Hebrew word kapur Has a different concept to it altogether So with the little time that we have today

We're going to do a little mini study On what does God's word say in this regard And what

I wanted to do is In fact, let me do this Is let's take a look I'm going to do it this way, hang on My sermon is on my iPad

And I am not easily able to share that with everybody

But we're going to take a look at some of the concepts that we took a look at Number one, does scripture reveal that God has wrath towards sin and sinners?

Yes Is the fault with God or is the fault with us? It's with us

Now I would note, one of the things I'm kind of keen on nowadays Having been the object of protracted slander and malice against me

Is I'm pretty tuned in to the concept of Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor

And so when I go back into the account in the Garden of Eden In the

Garden of Eden you have the serpent showing up And my paraphrase of the lead off question

Is it true he's not letting you guys eat? Because his question is

Is it true that you can't eat of any of the trees in the garden? That was the original thing

And there was an implied slander against God That God is somehow evil and malicious

That he is this terrible, terrible being And that he's not even letting

Adam and Eve made in his own image eat Eve corrects him and says Well we can't eat of the tree that's in the middle of the garden

Neither shall we touch it lest we die And then the devil says you will not surely die And by inference the devil is saying

God is a liar And so over and again I'm kind of tuned in To instances where people within the visible church

Are slandering God So when Stephen Chalk says that God is a slave to his own passions

And that this is no better than a pagan deity Requiring virgin sacrifices in a volcano

That's slander And the being he's slandering is

God And so when we talk about wrath and fury We have to understand it in terms of the fact that The Mosaic Covenant is filled to bursting

With legal and judicial talk God early on in the book of Genesis is revealed as the judge

And our sin makes God the offended party And as our judge then you're going to note that If there's true sin taking place

That justice requires it to be meted out

One of the interesting Netflix documentaries That my wife and I recently watched

Was about a man back in the, was it 90s, 80s, 90s

He confessed to a whole bunch of murders That he never committed It's called

The Confession Murderer I think that's what it's called on Netflix And this is an interesting story of a guy

Who's like one taco short of a combo plate Who for real, he confessed to hundreds of murders

Across Texas, the South, all the way over to New Mexico And it turns out that the

Texas Rangers Were feeding him information about these crimes

And any crime that you gave, that you showed him information on He would confess to having committed the murder

And one particular prosecutor made up a case file A completely fictitious file

Talking, you know, created a fictitious murder victim Had crime scene photos, details about it

And this guy confessed to committing that crime But what has happened since Is that it's been proven definitively

That a significant number of the crimes That he's confessed to doing, he didn't do

Because the thing that wasn't available back then Was DNA evidence And so they kept the

DNA evidence And so they've opened up a couple of dozen case files

And reworked the cases And found he couldn't have been the murderer

Because the DNA doesn't match his DNA And now you've got at the moment

Several hundred closed cases That this fellow has confessed to committing

But there's no reason to believe He's actually committed any of these murders And the families participated

In the making of this Netflix documentary Because they want their families' case files opened

So that their murderers can be brought to justice The murderers of their families

And so you'll note that in our day and age We understand justice It is unjust when you have an entire system

That is refusing to find the real killer When there's proof that the guy who confessed to the murder

Never committed it And as a result of it These families go year after year after year

Without justice And it helps them when there is justice Because somebody they love

Has had a life taken from them So we understand justice And we understand that there's a process for it

But what's really fascinating is that People like Chalk Deny Deny That sin is of any consequence

And they claim that it is wrong for God To expect or to mete out justice

Against sinners who have rebelled against their creator

This is nonsense And the double standard is just glaring

Absolutely glaring I have yet to see any progressive theologian Demand that we empty all the prisons out

And that we just get rid of the whole justice system altogether By the way, we have a little bit of a concept

Of how that went in Minneapolis When they called to defund the police They've recently called to refund them

The woke churches are calling for the releasing of all the prisoners Yeah, I assure you that prison is not

Merely a symptom of institutionalized racism No, because the white people are the racists now

So you get the idea here That there's something seriously wrong

So let's take a look at just a couple of texts if we would And in my sermon today

I took a look at a couple of places I'm going to duplicate this tab And we started off with the preaching of John the

Baptist And I noted in my sermon today that John the Baptist Christ says that of men born of women

There's none greater than John the Baptist And he had some let's say dietary issues

And a wardrobe that was rather fascinating Kind of invokes Elijah But here's what it says that was the preaching of John the

Baptist When John the Baptist saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism He said to them, you brood of vipers

Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? The what? Wrath to come John the

Baptist is the last of the Old Testament prophets He's the first of the evangelists And what he's preaching is a message given to him by God So bear fruit in keeping with repentance

Do not presume to say to yourselves we have Abraham as our father For I tell you God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees

Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the what? Fire Who's doing the yeeting there?

That's God Yeah, the one at the end

Yeah Yeah, the smoke of their torment goes up before God Forever and ever

And ever Jesus talking and the

Jesus showing up like a wave bill So Yeah Yes Yeah, the flood is an example of God's just punishment of sinners

Right And then we'll note that even in the conquest of Canaan That God had called for certain people to be devoted to destruction as his justice against their sin

Sodom and Gomorrah is another example of that And then we'll note that the gospel of John chapter 3

John the Apostle, whom Jesus loved He always makes a point of getting in that little bit

And I always like the resurrection account from John's gospel Because John was the youngest of the apostles

He was a pretty young fellow, probably a teenager And guess what? He outran Peter to the tomb

He puts that little dig in there And it's like saying to Peter, you're an old man, dude But anyway

Here's what John writes So you'll note

Here we've got clear passages that talk about God's wrath And justly so against your sin and my sin

And we, the sinners who committed those sins Yes, sir Yeah To you

Yep Repent Yep Yeah Tacitly calling

Jesus a liar Because Jesus does invoke the wrath of God Yes Yeah And yeah, you're right

The conclusion is you have to check out the whole religion And that video is from a series of videos

That he put together calling to reform Christianity And one of his reforms that he wants to see

Christianity overhauled Is the removal of the doctrine that Christ died for our sins

In any kind of a punitive manner And that God has wrath He's calling for the church to reform itself

And get rid of this concept of the wrath of God altogether 33, yeah

Oh, it just gets progressively worse Yeah Right And it's all based on his opinions

He's preaching from first opinions He may have been taught well

But he may have apostatized and rejected it Yeah Yeah And these are

Chalk is with McLaren And the former emergents Paget and Jones And a whole bunch of other people

Like the late Rachel Held Evans All calling for Christianity to reform itself

By getting rid of this doctrine of God's wrath altogether Or we're better than God We're more moral than he is

In my country Because I know we've got an international audience In my country I've listened to the same progressives

Who say God can't have wrath Call for the death of political people

Who may or may not have a chair In my country For four years

Heads on spikes You know Calling for executions Burning in effigy

And so they believe in wrath They're just fine with wrath

They just think they're above wrath Like they're above God And this is terrifying

If you believe something else that Jesus said That you will be judged by the measure you use

Yes, indeed I think that's a great point And this would be an example of what We in the confessional

Lutheran tradition Refer to as a form of enthusiasm Enthusiasm is a word that means

God within -ism And Adam and Eve Eve became an enthusiast

Rather than listening to the external word of God That said, do not eat of that tree She looked inside of herself

And went completely on feelings It looked good It was a light for the eyes Good to make one wise

All of these decisions were made based on her feelings So enthusiasm takes on two forms, though You have enthusiasm of the heart

And the emotions And then the second form is enthusiasm of the mind Where your thoughts, your reasoning

Stands over the Scriptures And anything that doesn't fit the Procrustean bed

Of your thoughts and your opinions In Scripture gets cut out

Alright? Yes, David Yeah Yeah, we need to know

Yep Yep Yep Yep And here's the thing

When you point out these texts They have no choice but to say Well, that was what Paul said

Or that was what Moses said Or that's what John said And so what they're basically saying tacitly

Is that these words from Scripture That talk about the wrath of God That they are not

God's words They are a mischaracterization of God Yeah Yeah Yep Yeah, that would be

Thomas Jefferson Yep Yep Yep So here's where I'm going to reel in the conversation here

So we can focus back on the Scriptures Yeah But good conversation, by the way Good input I would note there's another text here

And then we'll take a look at some others Paul writes in Romans 2 Because of your heart and empathy

You are storing up wrath for yourself On the day of wrath When God's righteous judgment will be revealed

And so as Bruce pointed out That the ELCA claims that the Bible contains the Word of God And it's a very slippy, loosey, fuzzy

Non -definable term As to when you know you have the

Word of God or not It's similar to Mormonism Mormonism, they believe that the

Bible is the Word of God With this kind of caveat They'll say the King James Version of the

Bible is the Word of God And it's correct insofar as it's correctly translated And what that means is that any doctrine in the

King James Bible That contradicts Mormon doctrine Is not correctly translated It is so much fuzzier

Yeah Yep So you're going to note here Paul says that the day of wrath is

God's judgment And note the word here Diakrisaiah It's quite the word

Talking about judgment This is a judicial term God's wrath is revealed in righteous judgment

Courtroom language Then he will render each one according to his works

To those who by patience and well -doing Seek the glory and honor and immortality

This is only accomplished by grace through faith, by the way He will then give eternal life But those who are self -seeking

Who do not obey the truth But obey unrighteousness There will be, what?

Wrath and fury Scripture is clear on this But the thing is that this is kind of the bad news portion of Scripture I mean, this is the ultimate conclusion of the bad news

Persistent sin and unbelief And what you get to face at the end of the line

Is a very unhappy judge Who is full of wrath and fury

And will mete out justice against your sin And this is where we have to pay attention then

To how Scripture describes Christ's work on the cross And here's the other thing In liberal circles

In progressive circles They talk about what they call Atonement theories

Okay, atonement theories This is their other slippy, non -definable term

Which basically says that Oh, the belief that Christ suffered

Vicariously your punishment on the cross That's an atonement theory

And they reject that theory And so they embrace other theories

Like Christus Victor or things like this And so they're always using the phrase atonement theories

To basically use that as justification To deny what the clear texts say And we need to be very careful here

Because Scripture doesn't reveal a theory Regarding what

Christ did for us on the cross And how he accomplished our reconciliation to God Scripture doesn't give us a theory

Scripture reveals the mechanism by which this took place And so we do not believe in atonement theories

And here's the important part too Is that Scripture uses several different Major revelational motifs

In describing the work of Christ on the cross The best way to put it is What Christ accomplished is so deep

That no one motif captures the entirety of it

And so the theologians that I was trained under They always described Christ's work on the cross

Via the atonement As a multifaceted diamond If you were to think of it

A diamond has facets You look at a diamond But the central facet is always called The table of the jewel

Penal substitution Christ suffering your punishment and mine Suffering the wrath of God in our place

That is the center That is the center point of the jewel That's the central facet Otherwise known as the table of the jewel itself

That's the best way to put it And here's the idea Anybody who's playing the shell and pea game

Of atonement theories And say well I reject that one But I like this one Avoid that person like the plague

Because they're playing a game In order to be biblically accurate You embrace all of the motifs

All of the ways in which Scripture Reveals what Christ accomplished on the cross And you do not exclude them

So I recognize that That penal substitution is the center facet

Of the atonement But it is an incomplete picture of it And so we do have

Christus Victor We also have ransom We have other ways in which Scripture Describes these things

And the idea then as a pastor As a Christian I don't reject one in favor of the other

Because I think it's unseemly For God to have wrath I think it's unseemly for you his creature

To heap guilt on God And to slander him In that way

When Scripture so clearly says That the righteous judge Judges righteously

And if there's wrath and fury For the impenitent Then we will never be able to Point a bony finger at God and say

You are unjust God In punishing sinners In fact if anything

God has been ridiculously patient with us He doesn't will that any should perish

And anyone who does perish It's their fault Not his It was their will

Not his will that was done In that regard And that's the issue So in that then

Let's take a look at Probably one of the more difficult passages in Scripture And we're going to take a look at Leviticus 16

As it relates to the day of atonement And you're going to note what happened here

Kind of the mitigating circumstance With the establishment of the day of atonement

Was that Aaron's two sons Offered strange fire to God Did not follow the prescribed worship rules

According to the Mosaic ceremonial laws And God burned them up And they died

And Aaron wasn't even allowed to leave his post He had to keep at his post offering sacrifices

And so now we've got a big issue The issue of other sins that have to be dealt with And so this is where this comes into play

The day of atonement with its establishment And it's tricky to kind of work through How this works in the types and shadows

But let me give you some texts That I think are going to be important here If you were to do a search for He shall bear his iniquity in the

Torah Then you'll see This is a concept When we talk about sacrifices of the

Old Testament It's a question of who's bearing the sin So Leviticus 5 .1

If anyone sins that he hears a public adjuration to testify And though he is a witness Whether he has seen or come to know the matter

Yet he does not speak He shall bear his iniquity

And iniquity here You could translate that also as guilt He shall bear his own guilt

If anyone sins Doing any of the things by the Lord's commandments They ought not be done Though he did know it

Then he realizes his guilt He shall bear his iniquity So it's always a question of Who's going to bear the guilt?

Who's going to bear the punishment if you would? So that's one concept along these lines

And then here's another one that's really important Because you'll note that throughout the Mosaic Covenant There over and again

Is a requirement regarding blood In order to eat an animal To consume it

You have to drain all of its blood Why? For the life of the flesh is in the blood When an animal is sacrificed

What happens to the blood of that animal? That blood is taken and is sprinkled

Is splattered against the sides of the altar Or on the horns of the altar And on the

Day of Atonement Where is the blood taken? It is sprinkled on the top of the mercy seat Which is the lid of the

Ark of the Covenant And so all of these things are important Because when we talk about Life is in the blood

This is where we see some of the Substitutionary work being done And the reason is this

Is that when we talk about atonement Let me see if I have that open When we talk about atonement

In the Old Testament The English word atonement Doesn't help us that much The Hebrew word behind it

Oftentimes in the Mosaic Covenant Is the Hebrew word kapur And listen to what this says

Kapur means a price for ransom of a life The idea is this

Is that when we talk about ransom We're not talking about hostage situations here What we're talking about Is one life for another

So in the Mosaic sacrificial system Which is a type and shadow

And we learned in our covenant lecture Last week That without the shedding of blood

There is no forgiveness of sins But the blood of goats and bulls

Never made anyone perfect We're made perfect by the

Once for all sacrifice of Christ Without the shedding of blood There is no forgiveness of sins So kapur here, the ransom here

Is the idea of one life for another And here's the thing

Even in our jurisprudence Here in the United States In fact, all of Western civilization

In our legal codes It is possible for an innocent person

To vicariously take on the guilt of another And suffer in their place

That's actually part of our legal system That is an established part of our legal system

That's been there for a long, long, long time So this is already an established thing

Within our judiciary Something that we should take into consideration So the idea then is that at its heart

What we see in sacrifice Is the transference of sin

To an animal who's then slaughtered And through his slaughter

That what happens is this God's justice is meted out Because that life of the animal

Was taken instead of the life of the human being That's the idea And then the other part of it

Is that you've got to remove the guilt from somebody And so that's all wrapped up in the transference The imputing to the animal the sins

Who then suffers in the place And here's the other part And this is the part a lot of people do not get That on the daily sacrifices that were required

Like sin offerings and things like this It wasn't the priest who killed the animal It was the worshipper who brought the animal for sacrifice

So as part of the way the atoning sacrifices worked In the

Mosaic Covenant You had a sin offering You bring in a lamb, a spotless lamb And then part of it is that you press your hands

And you press them hard On the forehead of that animal Signifying your sin is now imputed to that animal

And then you are the one who takes the life of that animal Now those of us who live in western civilization

I've never killed an animal like that Never I mean I've killed spiders and bugs and things like this

But you're going to note that part of the worship of Israel Was that the sacrifice then dies in the place of the sinner

That's what ransom refers to And why? Because the life of the animal is in the blood

The blood is then taken to the altar And is sprinkled on the altar

And God's justice is fulfilled Because one life was taken

So that the other can live That's the concept behind it So on the

Day of Atonement In scripture In Leviticus 16 We're going to pay attention to some of these details

It says the Lord spoke Yahweh spoke to Moses after the death Of the two sons of Aaron When they drew near before Yahweh And they died

Let me close up my Hebrew lexicon here There we go And Yahweh said to Moses Tell Aaron and your brother not to come

At any time to the holy place Inside the veil before the mercy seat That is on the ark

So that he may not die For I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat But in this way

Aaron should come into the holy place With a bull from the herd for a sin offering And a ram offering and a burnt offering

He shall put on the holy linen coat And shall have the linen undergarment on his body And he shall tie the linen sash around his waist

And wear the linen turban These are the holy garments So on the Day of Yom Kippur The Day of Atonement This is a big deal

Everything has to be atoned for The altar has to be atoned for The garments

The high priest has to be atoned for Before the actual sacrifice For sins of the people

So everything has got to be purified And he shall take from the congregation

Of the people of Israel Watch this Two male goats for a sin offering One ram for a burnt offering

So here we've got an interesting thing Going on here And the two male goats

You have to see them as a unit Because the one represents the expiation

The removal of sin from the people While the other represents the blood sacrifice

That then ransoms the people And reconciles them to God The two together are one unit

And this then is played out in Christ's trial And you'll see this in a little bit

So Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering For himself And shall make atonement for himself

So you're going to note here That first things first Aaron's got to make He's got to offer sacrifices for himself first Before he's worthy to offer the sacrifice

On the day of atonement Christ himself didn't need to do this Then he shall take two goats Set before Yahweh At the entrance of the tent of meeting

And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats One lot for Yahweh And the other for Azazel Azazel is a little difficult to kind of get

Probably it's not a bad idea But it may not be totally accurate To say one's for the devil That's kind of the idea here

And so Aaron shall present the goat On which the lot fell for Yahweh And use it as a sin offering

And here this one's going to be slaughtered The goat on which the lot fell for Azazel Shall be presented alive before Yahweh To make atonement over it

That he may be sent away into the wilderness And so one deals with propitiation

The one that dies And the one that lives Deals with expiation The removing of the sin from the actual people

So Aaron shall present the bull As a sin offering for himself Shall make atonement for himself

And for his house He shall kill the bull As a sin offering for himself And then he shall take a censer

Full of coals of fire From the altar before Yahweh And two handfuls of sweet incense Beaten small

And he shall bring it inside the veil And put the incense on the fire Before Yahweh That the cloud of incense

May cover the mercy seat That is over the testimony So that he does not die So you're going to note

This particular ritual Which will then take the high priest Behind the curtain

Into the Holy of Holies If he doesn't get all the details right He's dead

It's always dangerous When the presence of the Holy God Is in close proximity to sinners

Any little misstep Results in death This is part of the reason why

The high priest then Had as a standard practice That when they would go behind the curtain

That they would wear jingle bells On the bottom of their vestments And have a rope tied around One of their ankles

So the idea is That we know you're still alive Because we hear Chink, chink, chink, chink, chink, chink

But if you hear chink, chink And the chink, chink stops Then you take the rope

And you pull him out Because he's dead That's the idea So he shall take some of the blood

Sprinkle it On the front of the mercy seat On the east side On the front of the mercy seat He shall sprinkle some of the blood

With his finger seven times Then he shall kill the goat Of the sin offering That is for the people

And bring its blood Inside the veil And do with its blood As he did with the blood of the bull

Sprinkling it over the mercy seat In front of the mercy seat Now, without the shedding of blood

There is no forgiveness of sins Christ is then our sin offering He also is the one

Who removes our sin from us But you're going to note We read in the covenant portion

Of Hebrews last week That Christ entered Into the holy places Not made with hands

With his own blood Sprinkled his own blood On the real mercy seat

And you'll note that He is our high priest He's also our sacrifice So the sacrifice here

Is that picture then Of how Christ is the one Whose blood ransoms us

He dies in our place So that we can live He's the sacrifice

And he's the sin bearer Thus he shall make atonement For the holy place

Because of the uncleanness Of the people of Israel And because of their transgressions And all of their sins And so he shall do

For the tent of meeting Which dwells with them In the midst of their uncleanness No one may be In the tent of meeting

From the time he enters To make atonement In the holy place Until he comes out And has made atonement For himself and for his house

And for all the assembly of Israel Then he shall go out to the altar That is before Yahweh Make atonement for it

You have to make atonement For the altar And he shall take Some of the blood of the bull And some of the blood of the goat

And put it on the horns Of the altar all around And he shall sprinkle Some of the blood on it With his finger seven times

And cleanse it And consecrate it From the uncleanness Of the people of Israel And then when he has made

An end of atoning For the holy place And the tent of meeting And the altar Then he shall present

The live goat And Aaron shall lay Both his hands On the head of the live goat

And confess over it All the iniquities Of the people And all their transgressions And all their sins

And he shall put them On the head of the goat And send it away Into the wilderness By the hand of a man

Who is in readiness And the goat shall bear All their iniquities On itself And to a remote area

And he shall let the goat Go free in the wilderness Now, what is all that about?

This is the second aspect then When we talk about What Christ has accomplished On the cross He's removed our sin from us

And scripture says God has cast him As far as the East Is from the West And so this goat then

Represents that concept So here you've got The atoning sacrifice The blood sacrifice

That ransoms one life For another life So that we can live And then also the removing

Of sin from us And this plays out So interestingly then In our gospel accounts

Of Christ's trial A good way to think of it Is Barabbas He's the fellow

Who gets to go free Why? He was a murderer Why?

Because his sin Was taken off of him That's the idea So now at the feast

Pilate used to release For them one prisoner For whom they asked And among the rebels In prison

Was one who had Committed murder It doesn't say he was Alleged to have done it It says he committed murder

So this is a convicted murderer And in the insurrection And the man was called

Barabbas Interesting name by the way Barabbas means Son of the

Father Let that one sink in for a second Barabbas means

The son of the father The son of the father Goes free Right The play on words

Is just unmistakable When you consider the details So the crowd came up And began to ask

Pilate To do as he usually did for them And he answered them saying Do you want me to release For you the king of the Jews?

For he perceived That it was out of envy That the chief priest Had delivered him up But the chief priest Stirred up the crowd To have him release for them

Barabbas instead The son of the father And then Pilate again said to them Then what shall I do With the man you called

The king of the Jews? They cried out Crucify him So Christ is then the sacrifice

While Barabbas in some way Kind of gives a connecting Back to the scapegoat

The one that's sent off Into the wilderness The idea here is That goat always symbolized

The removing of sin From the people Well in Barabbas' case Since Christ is going to the cross

And is his blood sacrifice And is dying in his place That means the murderer

Gets to go free That means you get to go free Because we're not alleged sinners

We're convicted sinners And so the tie -ins To the day of atonement Are absolutely amazing

When you stop And you consider the details So Barabbas was released

Jesus is scourged And then delivered over To be crucified That's the idea So let me come back then

To our questions in our chat I've got to watch my time here Let's see here Alright So the bloody cross

Has another component to it I find based on the stark visual Of Christ's suffering That is the visual of the cross

Being a giant mirror Raised among us Also to show who we are collectively Mankind and what is our sin

Absolutely, Tony That's not a bad way to think Of the cross Because you see

Christ Literally in your place And then the other aspect I would even go

A little farther out from that Go to the two adjacent crosses One on Christ's right And one on his left

And this is like The quintessential example And be brought down To a pin sharpness

Of humanity's response To Christ's sufferings On the cross You either scoff at Christ And you mock him

Or you trust in him And you cry out to him To have mercy And to remember you And so it's

And here's the fun part Is that where Christ is crucified Is at the threshing floor

Of Ornon the Jebusite If you know your Old Testament Christ is crucified

At the same place That used to belong to a fellow By the name of Ornon the Jebusite And it was a threshing floor

Where wheat and chaff Were separated from each other So the cross becomes, if you would

The place then Of where the judgment And where the separating

Of the wheat and the chaff Comes down to Do you cry out to Christ In mercy Or do you mock him? Do you ask for him

To remember you Or do you say Save yourself, Jesus And save me While you're at it Right?

That's another picture So you can kind of move on Beyond that All right So what about the use

Of a Septuagint verse Of Isaiah 53 -10 That they used to say God didn't pour out

His wrath on his son It says It pleased him To cleanse him From his wound

I would always And again point out That the Septuagint Is a translation It is not the original text

The Hebrew is clear on this And I would argue If I could give you a book

On this That addresses that topic Specifically And I think does a pretty good job

Let me hunt this down Real quick here I've got to open up my

Kindle There's a recent book out Called Atonement and the

Death Of Christ By William Lane Craig He deals specifically

With that I would get William Lane Craig's book On this Because he addresses The Septuagint issue

Quite straight up And it's a little bit More complicated Than I can get into With the little bit of time

That I have left But you get the idea So Tony says Indeed how wonderful Underpainting sows through To a final image

Indeed, indeed All right So then The idea then If you really want to talk

About penal substitution And this is where I'm going to leave off With my time I'm going to go to PirateChristian .com

And I'm going to put a link To an article That I wrote a few years ago Actually it was

One of my seminary papers And Let's see here And I wrote it

Against Tony Jones And I got a hundred on it Which was nice Penal substitution

Let's see here Give me a second here And this would be

This would be a good article To kind of get you in So There's two articles here

By the way All of them claim This is ridiculous They all claim that Penal substitution is

Something late in Christian history And it's not So the name of the article Debunking Postmodern Liberal Claims That Penal Substitutionary Atonement Didn't exist until A thousand years after Christ And that's the article

I'm going to put this over here In the chat And Where is the chat?

Hold on a second here Chat There we go And This would be a more

Extensive look At these concepts Which I think will be helpful And then also

I did put an article An article together Looking at the writings

Of the church fathers Specifically So these are just quotes Directly out of the church fathers

That all affirm Penal substitution So their claim is That this was something

That was Oh yeah The Williams in the shack Is vehemently opposed To penal substitution

So Yeah But those two articles I think would be Good and helpful for you

And help fill out Some more information But I have to go Because I have another Palm Sunday Passion Sunday thing

To Service to take care of So Lord willing We'll see you next time Everybody Peace And no

Sunday school next week On Easter Sunday But we do have The Easter service At 10 a .m.