Matt Slick Live: January 7, 2025

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls, and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. I hope you're all going to have a good day today.

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And if you want to give me a call, it is easy. All you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And also you can send an email, that's easy, just direct it to info at CARM .org,

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info at CARM .org, C -A -R -M dot O -R -G. Before we get to the calls,

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I have a bit of an announcement to make. We are in the market to hire somebody here at the Intergalactic Headquarters of CARM.

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What we're looking for is an individual who can be, what we might call an operations manager.

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And this person would, if you're interested, pay attention to this.

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The person, how to describe this, would be doing all kinds of stuff. You've got to be smart enough to figure things out on your own, but because we're trained, we help as much as we can.

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And then there's projects and things like this. And the list of things that would probably be, we'd use and work with,

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I'm going to get to a little thing here, let's see. This is some of the stuff that we are looking for, helping

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Laura in SEO, and coordinate between websites, take care of the

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CARM staff, which means finding out what they do, where they're working, the areas and projects they're working on, keeping a record of that.

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Provide a list of responsibilities for all the staff. Video editing and time stamps for the radio show, maybe going to conferences, extracting radio segments for putting on Rumble and or YouTube, updating thumbnails on YouTube, promoting the

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CARM radio show in different markets, taking over the weekly newsletter, looking into monetizing

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YouTube, researching how to advertise and things like this in different social media contexts.

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Possibly arrange seminars online and in person, like I said, we've got some other websites, would kind of coordinate between those and run, they'd be responsible for all that kind of stuff, working in the schools to make sure that any technical issues are taken care of, the stores, things like that.

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So this is the kind of stuff we're looking for, and it'll be a decent pay, and if you're interested in something like this, you can send a resume, you can send something like that, csv2info at carm .org,

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just put in the subject line, interested in the operations manager position, and then we can get some more particulars.

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We would need to know what church you go to, you have to be a Christian, you have to adhere to and acknowledge the

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Statement of Faith on CARM, and you'd be surprised, a lot of us here are Calvinists who work here, but if you're not, that's okay, that's not a requirement, but you've got to go through the

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Statement of Faith, you've got to adhere to it, and you have to sign a contract, things like that, and then you can be anywhere too, you can work for many places in the country, stuff like that.

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So this is what we're looking for, putting the word out, we've already got it out in a couple of areas, and when we start finding out who and what, then we're going to go that direction.

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The reason we're able to do that is because an arrangement has been made, let's just say, for the funding of such an individual, so that I can take all this off my plate and start doing the things that I'm supposed to be doing, like teaching, preaching, developing work for podcasts, or another thing we want to do is develop a weekly podcast where I do interviews with people, and this person, operations manager, whatever we call it, we don't know, that's just what we're going to call the title right now, this person would be responsible for setting those up and scheduling them, things like that.

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So if that sounds interesting, info at CARM .org, info at CARM .org, info at CARM .org,

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and just put it in the subject line, inquiring about operations manager. And we will see about that, we're putting the word out, and what we're looking for, this is one of the major requirements, is that you have to be able to figure things out on your own, and it doesn't mean we're throwing you out to the ocean of the sharks, you're on your own, that's not it, we train, we get you going as much as possible, and then say here's something we've got to do, can you research it and figure it out, instead of me researching it and figuring it out, you would do that, the person would do that, that's the kind of thing that we're talking about, and there are a lot of people who just, they're smart enough, and they may just say, give them an assignment, and they go,

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I have no idea what it is, and I'll chuckle, and they'll say, well, here's the direction, research it and get back to me in a few days, you know, and stuff like that, you'd be required to work on your own, we don't micromanage here, we do not micromanage, so we just say, look, you just tell me how many hours you work, we want you to work 40 hours a week, and up to that if you can, because it depends, but probably there'd be plenty to do, there always is at this ministry, and you'd be a person of your word, you'd say this is what

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I've been doing, this is not what I've been doing, and things like that, we're going to have checks and balances and some stuff, and that's it, and then as far as vacation time, we're really flexible, one of the guys that we used to have working with us, he had to go on to another ministry, you know, we'd give him several weeks off each year, and he'd say something came up, and his wife was in the hospital, actually his kid was in the hospital, and he wanted to know if he could use his vacation time for that, and I said, don't even think about that, that vacation time, just go take care of your family, we'll just talk later, just take care of your family, be with your kid, don't eat into your vacation time, that's not how we do it here, because the family's more important, and so he took like two weeks off, he had to take care of it, it was really important, and that was it, hey, that's just what it is, we go on, we just move forward, and so stuff like that, we're really easy here, but putting up with me, that may not be so easy, let's see if anybody's going to say amen to that, because I'm obstreperous sometimes, and I'm autistic, and stuff, but there you go, so hey, there you go, alright, just see the comments,

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Matt gives you a bobber, what does that mean? Laura is the brains of the operation, she is pretty good,

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Laura is pretty good, she's got a lot that she can do, she's a smart woman, and we have to hire someone, we can't hire her for that, there's reasons, we have reasons, okay, and it's a three year commitment we've got, three years, you'd be under probation for two or three months, and then once permanent, that's it, we've got a three year commitment for staffing, okay, so that's just a start, so I'm putting the word out, if that sounds good, let me know, you want to pray about it, oh, and here's one more thing, this is no joke, the people who work with this ministry often come under spiritual attack, so if you're married, you can be male or female, we don't care, if you're married, then you need to let your spouse know, you're interested in doing this, and it's for an apologetics ministry, etc.,

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etc., and that you or your spouse, your family may come under spiritual attack, it may,

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I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I like to say to people, you can see what effect it is, it has on you, just look at my face, and you can see, yep, yep, yep, a lot of problem sets of the ministry, there it is, it's evident right there, so you can pray about that and see, and if you have inquiries and stuff like that, we'll let you know, alright, now we have callers,

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I'm waiting for them, they're in, but not activated, so I'm not sure what to do, we have two open lines, 877 -207 -2276, and if you want, you can email me, info at CARM .org,

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info at CARM, C -A -R -M .O -R -G, and just put the subject line, radio comment, radio question, easy peasy, let's get to Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina, Rudolph, welcome you on the air.

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Yes sir, I just want to tell you before I start. I'm sorry, what?

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Anytime my friends have questions, and I can't answer,

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I always call you. Well, good, good. Okay, I appreciate that.

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You're breaking up there, but go ahead. Is there any reason in the past that you're breaking up?

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Okay, I'll tell you what, I can't understand you, you're breaking up a lot, so I'll tell you what, call back, okay, get a better connection, okay, because you're breaking up so much

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I can't follow you, so just call back, okay Rudolph? Okay. Okay, buddy, alright.

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Alright, let's just jump over to Jermaine from California, Jermaine, welcome, you're on the air. Oh, hey

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Matt. Hey, what do you got, man? Hey, so, yeah, I was going over Luke chapter 1, verse 20, and what always struck me about that is how when the angel was talking to Zacharias, or excuse me, you know what

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I'm talking about, yeah, he, where he says, you know, because of his, basically his unbelief, how he kind of struck him blind, but what always got me with that was, was that something from the

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Lord? I mean, we know ultimately it was, but do certain angels have the authority and the ability to pull off certain acts like that?

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I think of the Sodom and Gomorrah situation, but it didn't seem like they elaborated on where that kind of authority came from, so I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it.

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Well, the text says, and behold, you shall be silent and unable to speak, doesn't say who's performing the action of making him mute, doesn't say who it is.

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The angel could simply be reporting what he knows the Lord God is going to do, that's one explanation possible.

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Another possible explanation is that the angel has that ability to somehow do that, and does, but we don't know.

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It just says you won't be able to until the day when these things take place, because you did not believe my words, which you fulfilled, which will be fulfilled in their proper time.

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So, you know, other than that, it doesn't say. I mean, you're right, it doesn't say. Okay. Yeah, I think that's the fairest thing

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I've heard. Just, I guess there's no elaboration at all, so it's not super important, but it's just, you know, one of those intricate details that always kind of stuck out in my mind.

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Well, when you come across stuff like that, it's worth looking into. And a lot of times with stuff like this, you might research for a half hour, an hour, two hours, whatever, and you just don't, you just didn't learn anything about that, who, what, when, where, why, but you always learn something else.

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So things like that are useful for trying to figure out what and why, and I've done it many times, and a lot of times

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I get no answer. I say, I can't figure it out. Oh, well, but I always learn in the process. Okay.

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Right, and that's why I cross -referenced Genesis 19, where it says the angel struck them blind, and that, or it says they struck them blind, but it just doesn't really elaborate that.

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Are these like one, two -time events, or where the authority came from?

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So that's what had me kind of curious. Well, there you go. You know, that's a good point. See Genesis 19, 11, they struck the men who were at the doorway in the house with blindness.

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So the angels are the one who did that to them. So we could say, well, at least we know that, this is,

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I'm more of a logician than a lot of people, and I'll say, we know that it says this in Genesis 19, 11, that the angels did that.

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It doesn't mean that the angels did it, or the angel did it to Zacharias. It doesn't necessitate it, but certainly does support the idea, and we could say probably that was the case.

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Make sense? Okay. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, buddy.

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God bless, man. We'll talk to you later. All right. All right. God bless. You too. Everybody, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Give me a call, 877 -207 -2276. We'll be right back.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want, you can give me a call.

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It's easy, 877 -207 -2276.

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And if you want to email me, all you have to do is send an email to info at CARM .org,

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info at CARM, C -A -R -M dot O -R -G, and in the subject line put radio comment, radio question.

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Let's get on the air with Rudolph. All right, Rudolph, you're back.

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Yes, sir. Can you hear me? Oh, much better. Much better. There we go. Okay. My question is, is the

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Antichrist and the false prophet humans or demons?

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Well, it looks like they're humans. The Antichrist will have an injury on his head and his arm in Zechariah 11, 17.

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He'll probably be homosexual. No desire for women, Daniel 11, 37. He boasts full combat of Daniel 7, 8, and 21.

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So he should be a human. The false prophet, there's debate on what the false prophet is. Some have postulated it's a machine.

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Some said the Roman Catholic Church. Some said another individual. So I'm not going to tell you which one it is, but they're at the very least going to be demonically influenced.

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But the Antichrist is definitely going to be a human being. And the false prophet and the

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Antichrist get thrown into the lake of fire, which are consciously tormented forever and ever, which refutes annihilationism.

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So that's what I would say. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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God bless you. I appreciate that. All right, man. God bless, buddy. Okay. You know,

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I wrote an article a while back in July of 24. What political party would the

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Antichrist belong to? And since I was looking it up on my website for the answer here for the show,

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I thought I would just go over it really quickly, and we'll get to the callers. He's going to be pro -LGBTQ because he's going to be homosexual.

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He'll be pro -abortion since the Antichrist activity would be in accord with Satan, who's a murderer.

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He'll support a one -world government. Which political party does this remind you of? Pro -LGBTQ, pro -abortion, pro -one -world government and socialistic kind of things.

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We'll force compliance with the policies. We'll use deception. Now, that to me is the left.

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They use deception all the time. And we'll make war with the Christians. I don't know which political party you think he'd belong to.

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Hey, let's get on the air here with Mark from Salt Lake City. Mark, welcome. You're on the air.

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Yes. Hi, Matt. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. You sound good, man. What do you got, buddy? Hey, he's going to be a

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Democrat, no doubt. At the very least, yeah. Yeah, that would be my guess.

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I actually used to call them demon -crats, but now I more affectionately refer to them as demons, straight up.

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But it's interesting you're talking about the Antichrist. My question was sort of in line with that.

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And specifically, where do you think the

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Antichrist will come from? I've heard it's going to be something along the lines of the revived

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Roman Empire. And if that's so, is that something that's going to be in the geographical area of Rome, Europe, European Union area?

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That's one of the theories. It wouldn't surprise me if the Pope was the Antichrist.

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It wouldn't surprise me. And it wouldn't surprise me if out of the rebuilt Roman Empire, the

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Antichrist rises out of all of that. There's another theory that he might be a

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Muslim, because there's going to be one real kind of a movement. And the Muslims are intolerant, bigoted, hateful, because that's what the

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Quran and the Hadith teach. And so they would only probably accept someone of their own ilk.

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And in that, they would probably require him to be Muslim of some sort.

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And so that's a theory that some have postulated as well. So I couldn't tell you who, for sure.

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Right. Interesting. That almost might help in that sort of that covenant, right, that he's going to be sort of moving forward on with between Israel and the

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Muslims on where to rebuild the temple. Yes. In fact,

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I've been to Jerusalem, I've been to the Dome of the Rock twice. And if anybody were to just go on the web and look for a picture of the

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Dome of the Rock, you'll see it set in the middle of a large area. And so it's a flat area.

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It's a football field in these. And so to the I think it's mostly when you look into the picture to the right is where they say the temple can be rebuilt because it's geographically that's it.

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And that the the Dome of the Rock is in the court of the Gentiles. So there's room for it to be built right there.

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And that would boy, talk about tension. But that would be doable. So, yeah, right, right.

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Yeah, that was mainly my question, because I had heard just going back to the Antichrist, just different things.

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I've heard the Pope, I've heard, I've even heard it mentioned that Obama or Donald Trump, you know, could have been, which

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I don't see how the latter would have been. But I think he did get shot, shot at me, took a an injury.

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And I believe Antichrist is supposedly going to be, I think it received a injury to his head or a wound to his head.

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Yes. And just stay in it and then come back to life, which is interesting. But yeah, it says, though,

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I guess more like. But it says his arm will be totally, totally withered and his right eye will be blind.

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So that's what's going to happen. Oh, the right eye. OK. Yeah. So his I'd be blind.

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So he received probably a head injury and is going to damage his ability to function physically.

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Now, Trump got a piece of skin or a chunk taken out of his ear that doesn't qualify because it has to be a head and excuse me, an eye and arm have to be nonfunctional.

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OK, that's that's what I didn't remember that. That's that's good to know. Yeah. And sort of with with that,

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I was also curious if if he is going to be it's kind of a strange

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I was kind of thinking, is he going to be a man? So he's going to be a man sort of like, yes, Judas, who was born of a woman, obviously.

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Yeah. OK. And then he had the devil come inside of him at some point in time.

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I know Judas. It says that I think the Bible says that Judas had literally the devil come inside of him. Is that similar to the

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Antichrist where he's going to have the devil come inside of him? He'll be sort of possessed and then sort of ruled by the devil.

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Yes, that's what the general theory. OK, as there was a kind of incarnation of Christ, there's going to be kind of incarnation of the devil in the

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Antichrist. The mimicry. And maybe you covered this on the previous one. I think there was

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I just got the last end of it. But where you were talking about the beast and the false prophet, is that sort of like that triad?

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So he'll have it'll be the Antichrist and then he'll have a helper sort of right hand man, so to speak.

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And then his sort of spiritual oversight and spiritual head as well for that little trifecta.

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Right. A mockery of the of the Trinity. So we have the

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Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. We have the Antichrist, false prophets and the beast. And we have the incarnation of Christ as God.

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We have the, so to speak, incarnation of the devil. There's that. And also 666 and 888.

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You know, hold off after the break. I'll talk about that. Do you want to hold this break here? Yeah. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages, please stay tuned.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. And welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Mark from Salt Lake City.

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You still there? I'm here. All right. So I mentioned 888 and 666.

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A lot of people not familiar. I've heard of 666, but not 888. OK, well, 666 being what the the number of his name where it's supposed to add up somehow numerically.

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Right. So in Hebrew and in Greek, they have letters.

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And so the letters are the only set that they have to do both alpha and numeric.

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We have ABC and one, two, three. We have two sets, one for writing words and one for doing math and writing numbers.

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Greek and Hebrew don't have two sets. These same letters are also numbers.

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So when you write a word in Greek, it has a numeric value. It's called a gematria.

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And so that's all it is. Every word has that. So, for example. In Hebrew, the word for God, the letters add up to 86.

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Let there be light is 232. Moses is 345. OK, in Greek, the word for cross adds up to 777.

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And the word for Jesus, which is pronounced Jesus, is 888.

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Now, oh, yeah. So Jesus is 888. 888, the word

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Jesus. So and Christ is 1286. All right.

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So let's see if I can explain this a little bit more for fun. So the name of the Antichrist, when it's written in Greek, the letters will add up to 666.

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Man was made on the sixth day. So it's a Trinitarian issue, not a true biblical

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Trinitarian, but a triad in this case of a demonic manifestation, because six is number of men and it's 666.

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Well, what's eight? Eight is a number of new beginnings because a male was circumcised on the eighth day.

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God made eight covenants with Abraham. There were eight people in Noah's Ark and we could say

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Jesus was raised on the eighth day because there's seven days in a week and it ends on the

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Sabbath, which is Saturday, but he's raised on Sunday, hence the eighth day. You know, it's a little fun with math there.

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So that's really interesting. Now, what's also interesting, the word for fish, ekthus, has a value of 1 ,224.

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So 1224, 12 and 12 is 24, so 1224, not a big deal. What's interesting is that eight divided into the number for fish, 1224, eight divided in there's 153.

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So eight times 153 is the mathematical value for the word fish. And 153 fish is how many were caught in John 21 when they cast a net on the right side, not the left side, but the right side.

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Right is salvation, left is damnation, judgment. The right side of God are the sheep and the left are the goats.

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So it's interesting that at the end of the ministry of Christ, he's told, and they went back to fishing after he'd risen from the dead, he said, cast your net on the right side.

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They did. They caught 153 fish. So the number of new beginnings, eight times 153 is the same number for the word fish, which is how many fish they got.

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And what's really interesting is that in the four gospels, if you remove or don't count the 4 ,000 to 5 ,000, these large generic numbers, how many individuals received a blessing from Jesus?

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153 in the four gospels. So I love that kind of stuff.

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Yeah, sorry. I just kind of thinking that just triggered another thought on my mind where kind of along the same lines as Daniel's prophecies and his 70th week prophecy, it seems like it's amazing.

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Like one of the prophecies I talked to people about with, you know, sort of getting evidence for the reason why we believe is

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Daniel's 70th week. And just kind of for the fact that it's so, it seems, maybe

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I'm wrong, but I think it's that from the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah would be 483 years.

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And I think, you know, that's obviously a number and it's a very specific number.

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And my understanding is that it did occur from our exorcise, gave the commandment to restore and rebuild the temple.

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And then when Jesus came back, and I think it was somewhere around April 6th, 32 AD, would have been 483 years.

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And then my question kind of is, and I always wondered, that's the first part, I think. I think he said there'd be 70 weeks of sevens.

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That was 69. And then it's going to be one final week of sevens. Is that what we're speaking of then? That's still to be, it's still to happen.

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And that's where the Christ is sort of going to come about either. I've heard the three and a half middle point where, you know, he says, hey, you know, worship me.

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I guess he creates a covenant with, yeah, that's what I was wondering is Daniel's 70th week. That's where that's coming from.

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It's still to come then, right? Yes. Now just for a little bit more information, it's 173 ,880 days.

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That's how many days it is of those years in Daniel seven for the issue of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

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That was March 14th, 445 BC. So you add those days from that time on, that's the day that Jesus came into Jerusalem on a donkey.

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So, yes, so that's weird. So we know that that was a specific day and time, a date, which is,

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I mean, I do, I've heard that there was a book written by Sir Isaac Anderson or someone like that.

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It was a, I don't know, British guy that didn't, wasn't even necessarily a Christian. And he was curious about that and did the math and he took, you know, the count, the different leap years and the different calendars and whatnot.

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And he came up with something like April 6, 32 AD was when Jesus came riding on a donkey to Jerusalem, which is amazing.

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If that's true. Yeah. And then if that's true, I'm just curious that 70, that last week of seven,

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I know we're supposed to wait for the period of the, or my understanding is we're supposed to wait for the period of the church and then

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God will be kind of turning his heart back to Israel. And then he's going to work with them on that last seven, specifically on that last 70th or seventh week of seven.

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Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about it. So in the, the, the Messiah will be cut off in the mid week of the last week, three and a half years of his ministry, he was killed, he was cut off.

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There's three and a half years to come. And, uh, so some, there's a lot of people who've speculated about what that is.

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And some say it's the, the period of judgment, the great tribulation for three and a half years. And this is when antichrist will be revealed.

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Christ will do some pretty heavy stuff. And the, so, so sort of first.

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Okay. Sorry. So sort of, I'm just thinking numerically, right. That's 483 years and the seventh, uh, you know, sets of sixes and sets of eights and 153 fish and whatnot.

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Um, if that's a week of seven, we would know, wouldn't we then sort of a number of days on that last, like when that starts, if it's, let's say, let's say the antichrist comes in and says,

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Hey, you know, worship me. And that's the abomination that then we should know what is it? 1 ,340 days or whatever it is.

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Three and a half years to the end of that would be that final period. And we can almost know when

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Jesus would come back the second time, right? Yes. Now there's, you're getting, we have nobody waiting right now.

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We lost one caller. That's okay. But, um, uh, they're getting into a lot of stuff and, um, no, it's okay.

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No, it's okay. So for example, two men in the field, one is taken, one is left that the wicked are the ones who are taken.

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And Jesus says that the first one's taken are the wicked. He says so at the, at the, uh, the end of the age.

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Yeah, I believe that. And that's, that's what he said. So what's going on and when's it going to occur that that's the issue that we could get into as you want to get, talk about some stuff.

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Uh, there's a lot here, you know, and I don't have all right. I know there's a, I know.

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And I kind of got confused on some of it. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around some of it. I, you know, there's the battle of Armageddon, I'm trying to see what would be the next sort of thing on the prophetic calendar.

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Are we looking for the antichrist to come or the peace treaty?

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But it, but it could be that the antichrist theoretically is alive right now. That would be a fulfillment of his birth.

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And then he will be manifested later on. And then as he, uh, there's different timelines we could look at at the beginning of the tribulation period.

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He makes a pact with, with Israel. They rebuild the temple. And then at the middle midpoint, he goes into the temple, midpoint of the seven year tribulation.

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He goes in there and says, he's God. And it all hits the fan everywhere, everywhere.

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Okay. Then the great tribulation. But then Jesus says after the great tribulation is when the rapture occurs.

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That's what he says about the 24. A lot of people don't know that really after the tribulation of those days, the sun will set forth, the send forth his angels, the great trumpet, the sound of trumpet, and they will gather the elect.

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He says after. Right. Yeah. Oh, I know I'm a Calvary guy. And I, I really was a, you know,

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I was convinced that the rapture was going to take place, you know, uh, prior to the tribulation.

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Um, and I used to, it was funny. I used to listen to David Hawking. I don't know if you ever heard him, but he would, he would kind of, uh, yeah, he would actually say sometimes we get a break, get a break, but I'm from Southern California.

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Chuck Smith baptized my wife and I, she got saved in a big Calvary. We got married by Calvary Chapel pastor.

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So yeah, I'm from there too, but didn't buy into a lot of this stuff, but you're a good church. Hey, hold on buddy.

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We've got a break folks. We'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Let's get on with Mark again. All right,

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Mark, I forgot where we were. Where'd we go? Yeah. We were talking about Calvary Chapel days and Costa Mesa.

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That's where I'm from. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Um, it was, you know, really good.

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He, you know, I love Chuck. I still listen to his podcast through the Bible. Um, and I think it's been great.

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I do agree with the, you know, with sort of a, since there's been so many crazy things happening in the world and I've been looking more and more back in the prophecy and I remember my days there and I know they're kind of sort of pre -trib, um, which

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I don't see that necessarily as much. I honestly have changed my position quite a bit. Um, I don't,

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I'm not a hundred percent sure either way, but it just seems like it's a stretch, um, to me on the pre -trib rapture where, you know, we're going to be raptured out.

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Um, and like I said, in Thessalonians before the, I love it that happened, but before the last seven year period of the tribulation, but it just seems like that, you know,

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I think that was taken. I remember a couple of scriptures. I think they go to revelation four where, you know, um,

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John is like caught up into heaven and they kind of use that. Um, and that seems a stretch and yeah.

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I'll tell you what, I have a study I've done on, on Karm and you can look it up and it'll, it'll challenge you.

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It's called an examination of this age and the age to come in support of all millennialism.

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But this, if you go to Karm and look up this age and the age to come and it's got a table and I presented this argument and stuff from many times in Bible studies.

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And let's just say people often come away, irked, they get refuted and they're going, you know,

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I don't like what it says, but that's what it seems to say. And then no one's refuted it yet.

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Check it out and see what you think. I'm not saying it's solid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I, you know, there's some things that are sort of a little bit ethereal or difficult to kind of grasp, but there's so many things like this

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Daniel 70th week. And, you know, the, the first part of that, where you're discussing, um, where it's very specific.

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And so I was trying to, I'm trying to grasp onto what I can know, because I don't want to be talking to people and give information out that I'm not, you know, totally strong on or sure about, but, you know, and then they may, you know, like I know the

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Daniel 70th week, people can go look that up. They can look up Sir Isaac Anderson and the mathematics that he did on that.

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But some of the other things that I don't really talk to people dogmatically about it.

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Uh, you know, I just tell them, here's what we're supposed to be looking for, you know, you know, is, is really the return of Christ.

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And yeah, there's going to be a bad time because people want to know like what, you know, these bold judgments and all these judgments in revelation are about and I'll tell them, yeah, the world is getting worse.

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And it's getting, it's specific. I, it's crazy how like Russia's getting, I mean,

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I think it says what God's going to put the hooks into Russia's jaws and bring them down from the North to invade

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Israel. And that's what lining up. And, um, I, I know that's a little bit like not totally, you know, a specific thing.

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I mean, but, but it does mention Russia and that was what, 2000 plus years ago and Russia's now just may

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God, but it might be Russia, but yeah, I'm with you. Uh -huh. Or the people, the other people of the area,

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Russia, I think it's Russia or something, but, uh, right. And then it mentioned the other, uh, confederation,

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I think Gomer's Germany and, and Ethiopia. And, um, it's just so amazing where God would actually outline these things and give us, um, you know, this kind of information, um, to where what other book could do that.

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And I try to like tell people, I was like, you know, there's, there's a lot of prophecies, most of which are very specific that already occurred, um, like that 483 years and the first coming of Jesus and some in the future are still sort of maybe harder to grasp there a little bit.

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Like I'm trying to find some stuff or some, you know, more concrete sort of prophecies.

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Um, and I'll, and I'll go look on your, on your site that you're mentioning on timeframes and things like that. Yeah. You need to learn about this age and the age to come the two age model.

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That's what Paul taught. That's what Jesus taught. And I never hear of Calvary chapel, no disrespect mentioned.

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I never hear the pre trippers ever talk about this age and the age to come. So we'll see.

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Go check it out. Okay, buddy. I will. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate you. All right, man.

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God bless. Okay. Thank you. All right. Good. Hey, let's get to Sam from Michigan.

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Sam, welcome. You're on the air. Well, thank you, man. Hey, I, I, you know, when it comes to two up, you know,

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I, I agree with him, but there's this one day I'm kind of cloudy on is a limited atonement.

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And the thing is, I got salvation is open for all the

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God reached out and decided who's going to be, who's going to accept him or who's not going to accept him or, and that's the one thing

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I'm kind of, uh, I'm kind of iffy on. Well, Jesus says, you cannot come to me.

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Let us granted by the father, John six, 65, John 14, six. Yeah, no, no, no.

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John six, 65. So 14, six, John six, 65.

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Jesus says, you, you said you cannot come to me. This is granted by the father in acts 1348.

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It says as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed they're appointed to eternal life by, by God.

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You can't come to him as granted by the father. Then when you go to Ephesians one, four,

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Ephesians one, four just says he, as the father chose us that the saved ones in him, that's

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Jesus before the foundation of the world that we'd be holding blameless. And then you go to Romans nine, 22 and 23.

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It says, what if God, although willing to, what if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience, vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.

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And he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared before him for glory.

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People don't like, okay. And then what I'll do is I'll trick them and I'll say, well, I believe that God makes all things, even the wicked for the day of destruction.

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And they said, God would never do that. And I say, well, uh, are you sure?

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That's a quarter of Proverbs 16, four, which says the Lord has made everything for its own purpose. Even the wicked for the day of, of evil, some translations of destruction.

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So I, and I show them, this is what it says. And they don't like it because they're taught.

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Most people are taught that God is a gentleman and that Jesus is a blonde hair, blue eyed,

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Caucasian server, dude, dressed in a woman's standing at the door of your heart, asking permission for you in your wisdom and your ability to let them in.

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And then when you let them in, you activate the blood of Christ in your life.

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Yeah. Man centered theology. That's that's it's throughout the Christian church, uh, man centered theology.

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The majesty of God is sacrificed for the majesty of men. It doesn't mean they're not saved, but they don't realize what they're doing when they say, no, it's up to our free will.

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If it's up to your free will, then why is it? God says, you can't come to me. Let's just grant it from the father. It was up to your free will.

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Yeah. It just doesn't make any sense. So then there's people who come along, they'll say pre prevenient grace.

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God gives you a prevenient grace, which gets you to a neutral position by when, by then you can make, uh, make the choice.

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That's how they explain John six 65. God just makes you neutral, but that's, it's, that has,

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I call that kindergarten theology because it's just a low level answer that is full of problems and they haven't thought past that answer.

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But at any rate, what you're going to say something, go ahead. Oh, I'm going to tell you, okay. When it comes to the concept about free will, if we already predestined, you know, the

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Christ that, you know, Christ knows when we accept him and all that, that takes away the argument of free will.

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Right? No. Let me ask you, did Jesus have free will being God in flesh? Yes. Okay.

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Now, if I were to go to John five 19, this is what Jesus says. He says, truly,

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I say to you, the son can do nothing of himself unless it is something he sees the father doing.

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That's interesting. Yeah. And then if you go to John, uh, five 30, Jesus says,

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I can do nothing of my own initiative. Wait a minute. So he, he does the will of the father.

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He came down to do the will of the father. He does nothing of his own initiative. Well, does he have free will? Of course.

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So free will and God's sovereignty are compatible and the proof is in Jesus himself.

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What a lot of people do is they say, they say, look, if I, if God knows what you're going to do, you're not free to do anything contrary when it's time.

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And it's a, it's a, it's not a very good logic. So the illustration I give is, is, um, is, is

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I know when my children, I know them very well. I know exactly what they're going to do. You know, not infallibly, but I know what they're going to do in certain circumstances.

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I know, you know, if I put a plate of dirt to eat or an ice cream in front of them, I know which one they're going to take.

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And I don't have any, any qualms about this is the one they're going to take right here. And I know it.

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Does it mean that the person is not free to make a choice at that time? Of course not. So people, they come up with these ideas, but they haven't thought them through and they think, well, obviously

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I just proved that free will doesn't work in Calvinism. And I'm saying, well, let's do some talking.

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Let's do some thinking. And a lot of times they don't want to do that. Yeah. Because from my understanding for free will from my understanding is that free will is given to all

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God's creation. And that was right up in heaven. And Satan decided under his, yeah,

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I'm saying, yeah, what is free will? It's like God gave his creation to either accept them or reject them.

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Where does it say that in scripture? It really doesn't say it. This is under my logic, you know?

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Yeah. So what a lot of people do is, this is a good illustration of something, is that they are taught things that sound good, but are not biblical.

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So free will means you can just be able to choose between things, right? Between good and bad.

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You can do good or bad. And that's what it is, right? That's what they'll say free will is. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a humanist.

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That's a humanist philosophy. The reason it's a humanist philosophy is because the definition is man centered, not

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God centered. It doesn't include God. God is not free to be able to sin.

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He can't choose between good and bad and do good or bad and choose which one. He could only do what is good, which is consistent with his nature.

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When I do this with people, I say it was free will, the ability to do good and bad. And you can do either one and you choose.

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And they go, yeah, well, I'd set them up because they don't realize they're being humanistic. They're defining free will by their own experience and by man, not by God.

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We need to define it as God is the standard. And if you do that, then the problems can be solved.

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But people aren't taught to do what's right before in logic and definitions and things like that.

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Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you for clearing up the limited comment,

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Doug. We didn't talk about that though. Limited comment just means that Jesus only bore the sins of the elect.

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He did not bear the sin of every individual who ever lived. That's what that means. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. Hey, you know, Baptist, you know, Baptist spirit weren't really taught about, you know,

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Calvinism or tool for anything like that. So, you know, there's, there's a good, there's a good reformed

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Baptist church in here in town. And maybe I might attend there a couple of times, you know, and really see.

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Yeah. And just make sure what they're teaching is biblical. Just make sure that it's biblical.

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Always do that. Okay. Always check it out. Yes. Okay. There's a music.

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Perfect. Thank you very much. All right, man. Good night. You too. Thanks. God bless you too.

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All right. All right. Hey folks, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you. I know some controversial things were said.

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Well, but the question is, is it what the scriptures teach? That's something to think about.

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Give me a call tomorrow if you want. May the Lord bless you by his grace. Back on there tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. Have a good one, everybody.