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But you won't around me No, you won't around me Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology My name is

Jeff, and I'm one of the co -hosts of this wonderful, fantastic show

And I'm also one of the pastors, elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church here in Tallahoma, Tennessee If you like the intro song, the single just dropped today

I commented on it in YouTube and also on my Facebook page

Please go and check it out Show your brothers some love Pass it over to Jack Lake Braden This way?

Yeah I am Pastor Braden Patterson, the pastor of Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho Also being called, starting in December, the pastor of Grace Bible Church in Moorpark, California So if you live in the

Ventura County area, please come join the church prior to me getting there Come join it when I'm there

It'd be a real blessing to be able to get to know you Really looking forward to that opportunity and just to continue to preach

Christ crucified from behind the pulpit and to love the people I also have a

YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon I'm also looking for new friends These ones are Jack Lake sometimes

And I'll pass the mic down to Tom So Braden, you're a pastor in Grace Bible Church I actually attend

Grace Bible Church, but actually in Texas, in Bernie, Texas So, same name, different church

So I head up an evangelism team out of Grace Bible Church in Bernie, where I'm a member Man, it's doing awesome, you guys

We had such a good turnout We had two people come from evangelism today It was excellent

So I'm on cloud nine You guys know when you see fruit and stuff like that So it was a good day today

Praise the Lord Yeah That's awesome Amen Yeah, so service went well for us today

I kind of finished a little section on washing feet For some reason,

I can't get anyone in our Reformed church to bring out the bucket of water and get in between the toes, right?

But no, we just pointed out that, you know, we looked at what a servant is That's Christ What a servant isn't,

Judas And what was the other one? How should a leader lead or something like that?

But it was a really good message And it was one that I was actually kind of worried about, like, entering into the pulpit

I just, I didn't know how it was going to turn out And while I was preaching,

I felt pretty good about it And then I had a lot of people afterwards approach me Just saying it was a really good message

So I haven't got to hear it yet But if you want to supposedly hear a good message by me, go check out the one

I preached today Good Lord's Day though I'll tell you what, we had four families missing today

And our whole church was packed If they would have came, because we have a fellowship meal after every service

If those four families would have came and everyone would have stayed and eaten We wouldn't have had enough room for people to eat

Wow, that's awesome So we really need this church building Oh yeah, so more announcements on that I am meeting with the church that owns the building

Receive the deed to the building And I am meeting with them this coming

Tuesday at 10 .30 Central Standard Time So if y 'all would, please be praying that the

Lord would be so gracious For us to get this building We really need it, we're busting out the seams

Praise God, that's awesome, we'll be praying for sure How was your day, Brayden? It was good,

I got to preach Galatians 3 15 -23

And so just got to talk a lot about covenants And how the seed is the singular

Christ, not the plural people of Israel So that was a blessing to be able to go through that It was a good

Lord's Day, great time with fellowship and with the saints How about you, Tom? It was good, earlier today

Michael preached And then in our evening worship service,

Frank preached on memorizing the Word of God How important it is to meditate on it, to read it, to study it

But not only to read it and study it, but also memorize it So we have it in our hearts and our minds

So we can meditate on it So as we take in Christ, we can memorize the

Scripture It helps us to keep our mind on Christ So it was really good

And then seeing the two guys It was actually one guy that we met at Evangelism a couple weeks ago

A young man, senior in high school Built dude,

I mean, all the girls are going to love this guy, this kid Just built football player and all that stuff

And he came to listen to us evangelize Showed up at church, brought a friend

And heard the Word preached like they've never heard before Actually verse by verse, actually looking at the

Scriptures And then explaining the text They were just floored And so they said they're going to come back

So we're just praising God for that So it was excellent, really good Very good, very good

I'm glad everyone had a good Lord's Day There's nothing like the Lord's Day in my opinion

Where we get to gather with the saints And allow this to be an overflow of our continued worship throughout the week

So today's topic, we're just going to have a Q &A

So we were going to talk about one thing And we just decided not to We really want this show to be energetic and fun

And so, I mean, you got guys out there If you're looking for someone to bash everybody around This is not the show for you

If you come in the comment sections running your mouth You'll get bashed, bruh We'll make fun of you

Yeah, we'll make fun of you, hallelujah But we're not the heresy hunters and stuff like that Or something like that So we just wanted this show to be fun

And so, because, like you came down to yesterday And was like, what are we going to talk about? And so we were like, let's just allow people to ask questions

So, I have a request Okay, because I'm married to her

She has a question and I can tell you guys that we are So every question, the ones that we answer

We're going to pull them up on the screen Okay, my wife is Debbie Shepard there Yes, go ahead

Now, I'm going to tell you, my wife and I argue about this verse So, I'm not going to tell you which one

I'm going to leave I want, prove her wrong, guys Prove her wrong, that's all

I'm asking So, in Luke, Zechariah was unable to speak until the baby was born

Preachers today say that Zechariah was also deaf Even though the

Bible doesn't say anything about him being deaf What do y 'all think? I think it's in Luke 1

Luke 1 and I I never heard that he was deaf Yeah It doesn't say that he was deaf

But let's read the text Sounds like you want to argue for him being deaf Hey, hey

All right, go ahead and insert your words into the Bible Let's go Go ahead and shoehorn your interpretation

Hold on, let's see here The best way to open up is The Bible doesn't say, but this is where I'm going to go

Okay, so let's read this Start at, Brayden, you're a good reader Start at verse 18

Oh, yeah, I am a great reader, not really I think I have, I guess, two seconds You read well, it's just your voice

Yeah, that's not Your voice sucks And Zechariah said to the angel

How will I know this? Okay, read it, Brayden, read it Hold on, where are we at?

You started reading it and then you stopped Where are we at? Oh, verse 18 Chapter 18

And Zechariah, chapter 2 or chapter 1? Chapter 1 Oh, crap Okay, and Zechariah said to the angel

How shall I know this? For I am an old man And my wife is advanced in years

And the angel answered him I am Gabriel, I stand in the presence of God And I was sent to speak to you

And to bring you this good news And behold, you will be silent And unable to speak

Until the day these things take place Because you did not believe my words

Which will be fulfilled in their time And the people were waiting for Zechariah And they were wondering at his delay in the temple

And when he came out He was unable to speak to them And they realized that he had seen

A vision in the temple And he kept making signs to them And remained mute

Keep going And when his time of service was ended He went to his home

After these days his wife Elizabeth Conceived and for five months She kept herself hidden saying

Thus the Lord has done for me In the days when he looked on me To take away my reproach

Among people Keep going Debbie where is it?

Hold on a second Somebody fired Tom Go ahead Michelle Or Melissa Melissa is the one that keeps on telling me

I need to get fired I'm going to get fired If I don't get this There was a part

There was a part in there when it says Golly she gave me the wrong word Verse 63

Hold on Let's go down Okay 63 Okay so let's go to 60

Okay but his mother answered and said No but she shall be called He shall be called

John And they said to her There is no one among the relatives Who is called by this name

And they were making signs To his father They were making signs

To his father who was mute right We just read that he was mute They were making signs to his father

He was mute He couldn't talk Yeah During that time of pregnancy

Huh? During the time of pregnancy Right he couldn't talk So keep reading

Let's read it 61 and they said to her There was no one among Okay so 62 and they were making signs

To his father as to what he wanted To be called And he asked for a tablet And he wrote as follows

His name shall be called John and they marveled Okay so He couldn't talk

But why are they making signs to him Why didn't they just Say hey

But 64 and immediately His mouth was open And his tongue

Here's the issue Why are they making signs To him if he could hear

He started saying signs first Right so he He couldn't talk

He couldn't talk Okay But he could hear If he can hear

Why are they doing this Whoa you were making No go back you just said

He couldn't hear You were just making signs to us It doesn't mean you're deaf He couldn't speak

You just did it again You're talking with your hands I'm speaking also

You're doing it again He was deaf as well Hey what's the name of that That Print that deaf people use

What's that called Deaf people don't need braille That's blind people

Oh gosh You got me They were over Okay so let's see

Okay anybody hear what I'm saying I hear you That they were making signs to him

If he was mute I can see him making signs Hear me out Or writing on a tablet

And all that or even them writing on a tablet Back But if he could hear Why are they doing

You don't know what they're doing They just could be like Dude step up speak

They're making signs They're not sitting here doing sign language Why would they

What were they Napoleon Napoleon Alright come on Listen this right here

Let's go to something else You got a weird interpretation

I do Yes They were making signs at him for no reason

I mean it's just hand gestures You were just talking too much When I preach I'm a hand gesture

I'm a hand gesture in full How many people are deaf in your church How many people are deaf in your church

In our church No one but today I was like Horizontal versus vertical

Why are you making those hand signals Somebody has to be deaf in your church I don't know why

They wouldn't just ask him if he could hear We agree with Debbie Okay Get Debbie on this show

You're off Anybody Anybody No eyes on your side

Wait Jake just said Check the lexicons On the original

Greek for that word Same mention I don't have anything out here with me It says some mention it as a somatic

Cannot talk Range including both mute and deaf So he's saying that the I like it

Causing him to be mute Yeah I like it Jake Yeah but the issue is

Even if being Made mute could mean Both not talk or hear

The only part that is restored That's talked about is a totally different Greek word which was

He loosed his tongue and he caused him to speak It was no longer It doesn't mention anything

If there was a time to where I wasn't able To talk I would learn how to I would learn how to communicate

With people around me So Okay Y 'all are all wrong

Was one of these the sign languages I don't know how to say it Y 'all are all wrong Jake Jake What's the next question

Alright well At the very beginning a guy was asking A question he asked a lot of questions

And we're going to answer one Question and see if anyone else comes up with anything Else and if no they don't we'll come back to it

Alright so Clint He has three At the very beginning

Is it one of those You want to tackle He has like four in the beginning Oh yeah four wow

Dude calm down brother According to 1689 Is the faith

That caused Caleb and Joshua To believe in God's promise To take the land the same faith

That we have Well faith Just means trust

So they were trusting That God was going to Bring them to that land

And I'd have to So to be honest with you I would have to have I would have to have some time to study that exact Passage to answer that With Assurity we do know that Hebrews 11 the chapter of faith

Mentions Several It was Abraham Looking for a land that wasn't theirs

It says that They quenched the power of fire Escaped the sword and were made strong through weakness

Became mighty in war for foreign armies to flight So there's mentions of this stuff

And so What I think he's getting at Is that the Saving faith

Has to concern the seed So if this was

In 1689 In 1689 federalism The faith that makes a person righteous Has to do with that promised

Seed which is Christ It's Speaking of the land

I'm sure that In the sense that they were trusting God for the land However Were they trusting

God for the seed Now I do believe that they were Children of Spiritual descendants of Abraham Not just physical descendants of Abraham But I wouldn't

I wouldn't base it off of That promise So I would say on this

And correct me if I'm wrong but We will Obviously I didn't put that up there

Let me put that up there real quick so people can see it So if the Texans and John I mean did not

That they came back and they went out to spy Out the land Didn't the other people that were with them or the other people

Were saying hey wait a minute they look too big They look too much they were doubting everything But Caleb and Joshua believed

God Yes If my memory serves me correctly yes Which I think goes back to showing and demonstrating

A certain level of saving faith So I would air on that saying That they had faith in the seed

Which caused them to be able to act In bold manners Just like We trust

God when we go out And do evangelism Which stems from our faith in Christ right

So What they were seeing with their human eyes They were believing

God To do that so I would say We're resting at least on God on that As well Yep It's so funny

So at work sometimes we'll go on Calls and it's really funny to see Somebody that's new

Try to do a patient assessment on somebody that's Deaf because they'll just get louder And louder

And you'll like by the end of it They'll be shouting what's your medical History And the person's like I don't have my hearing aids

I Yeah there's some pretty funny Stories I got with that For some reason

It's not letting me go further in my comments Let's see If you ask a question

Ask it again because it's not Letting me see it What? Do you want me to tell us another

Clint one that we can answer It's not even letting me see the Clint Why? Are you on comments on the top right?

What do you think? I don't know Oh here's a good one Here's a good one Okay this is what it says

Why are so many reformed Baptists critical of Christian nationalism

When the 1689 confession Explicitly supports

General equity Theonomy because it's

Speaking of the church The church Okay So we're not saying

That the government Shouldn't use God's law right So in 1689

In the reformed Baptist we hold to the three Uses of the law first use Then a mirror

Second use is the curb third Use is the flashlight the curb The government should use

God's law as a way To curb evil however We should not implant Moses right that Law the mosaic covenant was

Only given to the Israelites There's never been By that I mean the physical descendants of Abraham That law

According to Galatians chapter three and four Was only until Christ Now until someone can exegetically

Deal with that issue It was only until Christ there really isn't An argument to be made All of us

Gentiles Have never been under a mosaic law We are under the David I mean that the

Abrahamic covenant And Abraham Moses And David are all administrations

Of that covenant of works As they all are a covenant of works God's law would also still apply

Moral law would still apply Yeah the moral law Applies to us however So You just threw me off I'm sorry

I don't remember where I was going My bad

I was going somewhere I can't remember I'm about to be 45

So my age is catching up with me Anyways when do y 'all want to Take up the mantle Yeah so that's 1689

Chapter 19 of law As to Israel he also gave various Judicial laws which ceased

At the same time their nation ended These laws no longer obligate anyone As part of that institution only their general

Principles of justice continue to have moral Values and so What's going on in this

Chapter is there's the discussion of the moral law That's transcendent it Exists and flows from the nature of God Then there's the ceremonial and the judicial Laws the ceremonial laws are those

Laws that help cover the sin Of the people of Israel While the and also

Had foreshadowing and typology of Christ That it would open up a hole We've done shows on this topic before Judicial law is

Those governing the people laws Such as A family kinsman redeemer

Right those kind of laws There's several laws that are mentioned You can't eat pork you can't have

Mixed linen you can't have all these Examples of things and a lot of those Laws I would argue the majority

Of those laws they had a specific purpose That was to protect them as a nation To bring about the

Promised seed and so the confession Says that they ended with that nation Because that nation produced guess what

The seed what the intended Purpose of those laws were which was Christ That's what Galatians chapter 3

Verse 19 Says the law was Added because of transgressions previously

Committed until The seed until the seed that Law the law of Moses ceased

So the general equity that we Would see in there is that we could look at something like A parapet wall that was commanded

To the people that had flat roofs in those days And say It's probably

Wise to keep my windows locked and shut So that my neighbor doesn't fall out of my window However the purpose of these things

Are different because even in the Old Testament It was so that you wouldn't have bloodshed In the land so that they could

Remain in the land If somebody falls out of my window and dies Do I get kicked out of the land

No So you have to understand That general equity I would argue that a theonomist

Is typically going far Too Too distant for what

General equity implies And also Jesus when he uses General equity it goes against what

They're looking at so the Bible Old Testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth Jesus' general equity

For the church is turn the other cheek The Bible says to purge the evil From among you

General equity for the church is that We purge the evil from among The church Again we think that the

Government should use the law However we should not be Trying to establish

A mosaic covenant Period Because a lot of people think that theonomy

They're wanting to go not just back to God's moral law but they're wanting to Go back to the mosaic law

They're wanting to go back And that's That's a mishandling

I would say it's a false gospel In your borderline Heretics To take it to that limit

And I'm going to be honest with you I would not What is going on?

I would not have Any fellowship with people That hold to that strong Of a view of it

I mean like none Absolutely zero Now as far as the whole

Christian Nationalist part of that question It just really depends on how you define what a Christian Nation is And everybody has a different definition of it

If we just simply mean a Christian nation Is a nation that has a law that is Influenced by the moral law with using

General equity principles from Other laws then okay that's Fine I can get on board with that but if we're saying a

Christian Nation is a nation that Puts people to death For Walking around carrying a heavy load

On a Saturday the Sabbath No Absolutely not

If you just look at the Sabbath The Sabbath has ended In the sense that The Sabbath rest was

In Christ our Sabbath rest is in Christ now the general equity Of it that we should have

So we're looking at two tier Should someone work seven days a week No you need a day

Of rest and also The Sabbath in the Old Testament was never instituted

As a day of worship Ever you will not find it in there That came about during the Maccabean period

Yeah so Like The question is what are we doing are we really taking the

Bible serious Galatians tells us it was only into Christ Corinthians tells us that that covenant was a ministry

Of death and if you look at Romans Chapter six and seven like when Paul Saying the things I want to do

I cannot do There's a good Chance that he's speaking about that time of Being under that O covenant

Law right we just Heard that Jeffrey Johnson had a good sermon On that yeah

So real quick She's on post this twice And she's been you know

I think we should At least give a thought to It he's asking about Steve Can I can

I go ahead and say it for All of us here's my Thoughts I think that That we probably should hold off On this and the reason why

Is because there's not not everything Has been brought out let's Let's hold off before we put

Our foot in our mouths and say too much Yeah and I Also with that I think we should be

Praying for him and His family yeah his wife His family but also

I'm not going to throw the baby out with The bathwater like if I do that I have to not read anything of David Not read anything of Peter The stories of Samson Like what he did was awful

If it's true what he did is awful However it's sin He doesn't need to be in the pool pit

So on and so forth however We don't need to throw the baby out the bathwater He has a lot of good stuff out there

And I And he's and he's probably Done more for the kingdom than Everybody put together

Watching this show Yeah so but I think if I could

I think the real problem is is that Men should not be idolized So think about like yes if you have 50 men

In a room and then you have a guy like Steve Lawson walk into the room and Next thing you know all these men who are chill

They're calm they're collected they see Steve Lawson and they're like who is Steve Lawson they start fanboying over Getting into a line to shake his hands

What are the women in that room thinking The men want to be Him so therefore the women

Want to be with him Like like It's a slippery slope and all it's going to take

For any guy some pretty woman To wink the eye and motion him over Men are weak in the same way that we

Use creeds and confessions to read our bibles When we travel we need to have Other men of God with us

To be our creeds and confessions And our holiness But I'll get off my high horse

Do you mind if we have The question by Jesse Killinger on here Okay let me find it which one is it

It's just shortly Up from the bottom is it Can you discuss chapter 3 Yep okay

Jesse Killinger Is a good friend of mine sweet Good brother in Christ right there I work with him

So he says can you discuss chapter 3 Paragraph 1 and talk about God's relationship With sin is

God the author Of sin why does he allow it If he is indeed sovereign Does he just allow it for his glory

Etc That's a great question So to begin with I would

Say that this is actually a topic That I don't think people should tread on But I will give you my response

But I want to hear what these gentlemen Say just in case they say something crazy I'm going to have to fire them Oh my goodness

I'll let you go first Braden Yeah so it says In there So I'll read the paragraph it says

From all eternity God decreed everything that occurred Without reference to anything outside of himself He did this by the perfectly wise

And hostly counsel of his own free will Or his own will freely and unchangeable Yet God did this

In such a way that he is neither The author of sin nor has any fellowship With any

In their sin this decree does not Violate the will of the creature or take Away the free working of contingencies of Second causes on the contrary

These are established by God's decree And these In this God's decree

Or in this decree God's wisdom is Displayed in directing all things And his power and faithfulness

Are demonstrated in accomplishing his decree And so What the second cause in here

I'll preface this in chapter Five it talks about that the First cause is

Is God Acting God predestinating God causing Something to come about secondary causes are all

Those things that happen within that first cause And according to the first cause The confession when it says that He's not the author of sin is

Defining it author of Sin as a Meaning that he cannot be held

Culpable of sin Culpability is the Attributing wrongdoing to Somebody now

I can attribute to Tom Wrongdoing because Him and I are both human men

Right we both have a Equal level of authority To be able to offer

Culpability towards each other with right However how many ants Have we stepped on today

How how many bugs Have we smashed while driving our car There is

A level of culpability That cannot be Extended to something that is greater

Than the object or the person Or the the the insect Right because the insect is not on the same

Level of authority As you and I are And the distance between mankind to That of an insect it

God is infinitely greater Than mankind than mankind is to an Insect and so the idea of What's going on in there is that we cannot attribute

To God's sin Because he is far greater Than those things he he's not the one that Does the sin we're the ones that are doing the sin

It's still according to his Predestination absolutely because He is the first cause but that's what

Roman 9 is dealing with it says You old man Cannot answer to God why have

Thou made me like this or why have you made Me as this it's a Love it's an issue of culpability since there's

Nothing like God there's nothing greater Than God there's nothing that's on the same equal playing Field as God there's no way that we can

Attribute to God some some wrongdoing That you and I have done So good stuff

I would I would Go to James 1 13 And it says let no one say When he is tempted that I'm Being tempted by God for God Cannot be

Tempted by evil and he Himself does not tempt Anyone and here's the thing

But each one is tempted When he the person Is carried away

And enticed by his Own lust then When lust is conceived he gives birth to Sin it gives birth to sin

And when sin is fully matured It brings forth death But are y 'all really touching on the question

That's that's my that's that's my question Yeah so because like he's Your answer is gonna be

Yeah and And and and I would agree With the confession that So it depends on the way

You handle the word author Jeff is going to present It as if if we are

Looking as an author of a story And and God is telling A story in his God's story

This is God's story God Preordains all things like we cannot Say that God preordains all

Things and he's not the author of the story But at the Same time I I think

I think that the words The words that we're using Are are not

Capable of of actually Communicating this absolutely That's what

I'm trying to say This is a dangerous way To tread because if we say that he's not The author

There's something greater than him that Is the author Right that's what that's what

I was Trying to say but that's where you get to that Satan is God's devil Right like like if I If I establish rules

In my house like God has A law so so God So so so sin according

To 1st John chapter 3 Verse 4 sin Evil is breaking

God's Law God doesn't necessarily Have to create sin All he has to do is create

The moral law and when We break the moral law those Who break it are evil

So here here's where it Breaks down where Where does evil The question and this is another hard one

Where does evil come from What is evil So when you

Look at God is holy God is righteous God Is magnificent and he is good

Everything about him is good And holy and righteous Opposite of evil

So you have God Which is good and holy but the Absence of God Is is darkness the absence

Of God is evil that's that's Where evil is so take God Out of it and what's left evil

Does that make sense I don't know To put it so this this is what I'm trying to get

Out with it is God the author of all things Yes as long as we're defining Author is not something that we can attribute

Sin to Paragraph 1 is talking about That God is not the author

In a sense that we can attribute Sin to him that we can hold him I'm not saying that that's what you're saying.

I know I know I know I'm addressing the question I'm addressing the question of author of sin Yeah, that's the reason that that's said

In the confession Do we Think that God is the author of all things

Yeah, but here's the thing if God's the creator Of good All right, what's absent of good

Bad Yeah So So if he creates a law

Which he did the moral law And to break that that's what sin is Sin is

Lawlessness so I would even say That I would even go far as to say That that that his wrath

Is an extension Of his love because Of who he is for sure

Okay Wrath is an Extension of his love

I just think it's Sin so the question really dive Into it and explain it it's just as dangerous

As trying to explain the trinity Are trying to go beyond the scriptures to Explain the trinity right

Because we're talking about things that are too Words We you know you know

Spurgeon talks about Us using baby talk that God Has to use baby talk to be able To communicate

Things to us that are too too great for us To understand okay This is where I would go with scripture

Does God predestinate sin Yes absolutely he does Acts chapter 2 and Acts chapter 4 it says that he

Predestined Pilate Herod And all the people in Israel To do whatever his hand had predestined

To occur which is talking about the crucifixion Of Christ the greatest evil that has taken place So does Christ predestine

Sin yes can any of those Men that crucified Christ hold

God As culpable of sin No no Again and I'm going to go back to the

Greatest theologian even though she's wrong On the on the Zacharias thing she says

That God foreknows And ordains everything Including evil but that God is not

The efficient Cause of evil is this where you Get your new theology from is your wife

Yes I Don't let me real quick answer your question From this guy that He said he said

Jeff would you not Fellowship with theonomist I never Said I wouldn't fellowship with theonomist What I said was

If someone is looking to Implement right to Take if someone is looking

To reestablish Moses the mosaic law I would not have any

Fellowship with him and by that I'm not saying he's not a Christian I'm not saying they're not Christians I would not do

Conferences they wouldn't be Allowed in my pulpit so on and so forth Listen I would go so far

To say they are not Christians They are not I will say that I will be confident

I'm preaching Through the book of Galatians right now The Judaizers are Trying to establish the mosaic law

Amongst the church and Paul tells them that is a false gospel To not call them brothers and to Cast them off cut them off They're anathema they're not

Christians But I don't think Doug Wilson is actually doing that Doug Wilson is going to a general equity

Theonomy he's not trying to reestablish Moses However they are people out there

His fanboys who are Taking it too far And these guys would not be

Allowed in my pulpit nor would I share a stage with them at a conference Period Absolutely Absolutely And if they don't like it

You can say what you want but you won't around me You know what I'm saying Doug Wilson does not teach

That you should go under the mosaic law It's just there's hypers In every side of the camp and if there's somebody

Trying to establish the mosaic law You have a false gospel The Bible calls it a covenant of death

We do not need to establish The covenant of death we are in the covenant Of grace

That's right We need Christ, Christ is the answer Christ is the answer

Let me ask you this So the Bible says that God did not send angels

Into the world to Subdue it, that word there for subdue Is the Greek word hypotasso

It means to take control of He did not send warrior angels Into the world to do that What did he do, he sent his son

How does his son accomplish Conquering the world Through his death, burial

And resurrection That message of what he has done Is putting all of his enemies

Under his feet and the last enemy Will be death And by the way that's a long gospel distinction

For sure And I would say Doug Wilson does not have a long gospel

Distinction And so I would not share I would not be in ministry with Doug Wilson For that purpose

Him and I would not share a pulpit together Because he does not have a long gospel distinction Right Alright next question

I don't know what's his name But he's passed away so We ain't gotta worry about that What's the other question

Let's find one What else you guys got I would just I wanna just go back

And just say this real fast because I didn't get to finish my thought On chapter 3 paragraph 1 Anybody that says that God Doesn't predestine all things

A .K .A. doesn't predestine sin Does God know all things Does God knows all things

So he knows all things So he knows the sin that's gonna happen Does God stop the sin from happening

So he knows the sin's gonna happen And he doesn't stop the sin from happening You still don't have a solution

To the issue of sin in the world If you say that God didn't predestine all things What we are doing is saying that The scripture that makes it very clear

That God does predestinate all things That's our basis We need to leave our emotions outside the door

And just acknowledge the facts God predetermined the worst sin to ever take place And that is the death of his son

That's right And it was good By the way It pleased the

Lord to crush him It's coming in good Somebody asked how my beard

Somebody asked how my beard was coming in I just let them know it's coming in good It's very spotty

It's kind of like his internet sometimes Someone was asking a question about Bible translations and I can't find it

Hold on Let me see if I can find it

Everybody knows the best Bible translation Is the ESV Paul wrote his letters in There it is

It's Fred He was asking a question My question Do you think having multiple

English translations Causes a lot of confusion Especially because these translations

Take away the very important doctrines Are you okay

I can't find what you said But this question says My question is

Not stick with one translation I stick with the ESV Now I do have other translations

That I refer to But I preach and read from the ESV English languages change

Here's where you were reading Is this what you were reading Yes My question is don't you think that multiple

English Actually no I think it actually helps Because not every English Translation is 100 %

Accurate There are things that we can find In the LSV that are more accurate than the

ESV There are things in the ESV That are more accurate than the LSV And if you're

Particularly just speaking of the KJV Like when you put that with the Greek I think it's a good translation

It's very archaic I don't really understand it However Whenever you put it to the

Greek Like it messes There's a lot that it messes I mean just in So in Isaiah Chapter 14 verse 12

It says oh Lucifer How you have fallen Well the context is

Speaking of King Nebuchadnezzar Like that is not talking

About Satan falling It's speaking about King Nebuchadnezzar And you read about his fall

In Daniel chapter 4 That's right Just read the context My wife is killing me today

She loves the KJV But I'm telling you There are more problems with the

KJV Than there are The ESV, the NASV And the

LSV So there's several Arguments for it There's the manuscript arguments that you can make for it

But not only that English like every language Changes over time

And so in a hundred years from now There's going to need to be a new updated ESV, there's going to need to be a new

Updated LSV, why? Because our English words don't mean the same Thing in a hundred years from now than what they do

To you and I today The Greek words So perfect example, the word gay

I've heard Jeff say I'm gay And he's meaning that he's happy I've heard him say it

I've heard him say it I've heard him say it Listen Both of y 'all are my gay friends

But no seriously So but this is the issue So in the KJV there's these Mark Ward is his name

Mark Ward He has a great book out there and he talks About the

KJV And the need The need to go to a modern translation Because there's these

What are they called What does he call them in the book I cannot remember They are words that have had minor

Changes in English Definitions that when you And I read we don't

Think that they've changed We don't think that the words have changed

And so then therefore we read it with a modern Lens and then It gives us a different Doctrine than what it was first Originally written as in the 1600s

And that's just how English That's just how language works like this That's just the way it is

There's Why Why do we have a

Greek Septuagint So I can read it

And read the Old Testament Okay great point right If you ask me I think my

Old Testament Should be translated from the Greek Septuagint So I'm not asking you that I'm just saying

I mean If we have an English translation from the 1600s do you and I talk like Shakespeare No we don't

So we need a modern translation to be able to Read the text in a modern context Alright so let's go to Matt's question about Six month old

Do y 'all believe the six month olds

At your church are a part Of the local body If not do you say

Y 'all are their pastor Or are you only their The parents pastor

Alright so first of all Matt You started going back to a Baptist church Boy you need to be consistent with your life son

Do y 'all believe You ain't a true presby

Start being gay start being happy Do y 'all believe the six month olds

Are a part of your local church So are you saying Are you saying So here's the thing

Our six month old The infant that was just born so Jake A member of our church

They have an infant I'm not exactly sure how many Like infant infant

And the pastors of our church Are that child's pastor

Because we are Because Jake is a member of the church Jake is that child's

Federal head in the home Yes And so by virtue of being

Jake's Child I am Pastor Cal is that child's Pastor However they are not members of the church

It just goes back This is what it is It goes back

It goes back to the Invisible church versus the visible church We have people in our church right now

That are a part of our visible church That ultimately might not be a part of the Universal church The question is this

Should a six month old Be considered A member of the

Universal church No Should we steal our kids baptism

That's a really good question Answer no Right You have to be born again

In order to receive the sign of the covenant You know what we believe about this You go to a

Baptist church So it's chill out I love

Matt Here's a question though Because here's where he's going

Let's go with this A 14 year old boy Comes to Saving faith

It has a good Articulation of the gospel Would you allow that 14 year old boy

To be a member of your local Body even though he is We would believe that he has

Saving faith and in the universal Church would you allow him to be a member Of your local body

Here's why I would baptize him And he would be able to partake

And we would minister to him Fully just like we would all the other men But here's why If that 14 year old boy when he turns 16

And his hormones start to rage And he goes out and does some dumb stuff If we try to Execute church discipline

On him Then it's going to be You know the parents are going to be hot about it And so what

I see Hold on The discipline Needs to come from the parents

In that situation Because we don't want to overstep Our boundary in that but once that child

Turns 18 and they join the church We tell the parents to keep their mouth out of it What's your thoughts on that Braden I would say both and Absolutely church discipline

When it comes to minors should not be happening From the pastor to the minor but it should be A conversation that happens with the pastor

The parents and the minor Yeah that's what I'm saying That is applying

Church discipline to the person But it would be going through the parents It would be going through the parents

It would not be us calling them in there Separated from the parents I hear what you're saying

But I want Braden's answer on this Would you allow a 14 year old boy

Credible Profession of faith baptized To take communion and all that stuff Would you allow that young man to be a member

Of your local church I know Jeff's answer

What's yours Yeah so It's according to whatever

Bylaws of a church would say So I think there's Arguments to be made on both sides of the aisle

And I'm not I wouldn't die upon any of those Heels if that makes sense

Because let me explain what I'm saying With this 18 Is an arbitrary number

That we in the United States have come up with Being able that you can vote for a president And therefore now it's influenced how the church

Is supposed to operate and vote That's garbage period I'm not looking at it like that I'm just saying that that's how most churches bylaws

Have come about I'm not looking at it like that You're interrupting me Jeff This is the 80th time tonight

Listen You got a cali clicker over there Yes, 82nd, you just did it again

Anyway So that's a really good point though And I hear what you're saying too

So what is the What is the deciding factor What Is there an age limit that a person

Who's making an incredible profession of faith That you guys truly honestly Believe that has articulated the gospel

Witnessed Fruit of a changed life You don't have to witness fruit of a changed life I don't know where you get that in scripture

I'm asking I'm saying that everything that you can see About this guy as a covenant member

Of Christ Should they not be a member of the local body They receive all

They receive all the benefits of a member They receive Every benefit of the member outside of voting

Whenever they turn Whenever they turn an adult They receive voting What They receive voting

Voting So this goes back Voting is an unbiblical thing in the church A church should be an elder led thing

And so if a church is elder led Then the member shouldn't be voting Except for maybe very very minor things

Within the church Most churches today Most churches today

Operate hey we need to change the carpet What's your vote hey we need to What's your vote hey the pastor is going to Preach in a new book what's your vote

That's garbage Purple carpet Oh my goodness Now that being said though If that is what

Membership is is that it gives you a vote Then okay I could see the argument to say that Then it's probably fitting within our nation

To be consistent within our nation Say 18 is what we need for a member A voting member But like Jeff said if a 12 year old comes to faith

In Christ they can be A member in every sense Of being able to partake

In the table, baptism All those things that we would see within the church Counseling everything

Absolutely Because they're still under the federal head Of their parent And so we would treat them as members

However they wouldn't officially be on The membership row Until they themselves

Turned of age and Applied for membership That's a good argument there as far as so I think it's a safe way

If the child Is under the authority Of the parent If they are dependent on their parent

If their Father is still their federal head Because they're not on their own

Then they don't They would not count as a They would stay Under the federal head of their

Parent Absolutely Would you say

Matt's asking another question You were the pastor of the children Or the infant I'll just answer that question

Because of the authority of that Person's parent So if the parent is a member of our church

We would treat that child As a member Being On the benefactory

Of the parent However Pastor, take care

Nurture, counsel Whatever that child needs We would be there for them However they wouldn't be on the row

As an active member Not until they were of age to apply for membership Right Good answer

Let's go to somebody else Matt, you're getting on my nerves, bro Keep them coming, brother I was just messing

Y 'all see anything else Brandon Baric I'm asking for membership

Yes, they could call us pastor Brandon Baric Can you guys elaborate

This is good So where's that Baric, can you guys elaborate

From an Aumil perspective On 1 Corinthians 15 That Jeff quoted earlier He must reign until he has

Put all his enemies under his feet The last enemy To be destroyed

Is death Elaborate from an Aumil perspective You just quoted

The text, that's the Aumil perspective That's Aumil, man You read the bible Aumil Come on over, the water's good over here

So So Aumil And Postmill would say this Premil doesn't say this

But Aumil and Postmill say that At the second coming of Christ There is no more sin, there is no more death

All of creation Is renewed back into a state That was like prior to the fall of Adam And so There's no sin

And so therefore there's no death However premillennialism, especially that Of dispensational premillennialism

Says that people are still having kids Having, being married Sin is still taking place

Creation is still groaning For the refilling of the son of man Right, because there's still sin

And therefore there's still death that's taking place Which is a huge issue because it says that When Christ comes

Death is put away, there is no more death And there's a new song that says oh death where is your sting Oh death where is your victory that we are singing

And so premillennialism Does not fit within 1 Corinthians 15 And so you have to ask yourself also

Why is sin and death Done away with First you have to say well how does sin and death

Enter into the world Romans chapter 5 verse 12 Through one man's sin

Death and sin Entered into the world And so what Christ is doing

As our last Adam He is He kept the law that Adam Could not keep

And so as We, so the covenant of redemption The father's purpose is to save a people

The son comes in time, accomplishes the Purpose through his life, death, burial and resurrection The Holy Spirit applies that purpose

The purpose of the Father saving that people through the message Of what was done

For us by Christ Alright and so And so as this

As this message Is being spread, people are coming To Christ, he is putting all of his enemies

Under his feet, I was an enemy of God I was footstooled, these gentlemen were too If you're a Christian you were an enemy

You were footstooled, the last enemy To be footstooled is Death and so if there is no more

Death that means there is no more sin Because the wages of sin is death And so this means that God That God through Christ and the

Holy Spirit through this message That's being spread has In fact placed all of his enemies under His feet and that will take place

At the resurrection of the dead So to backtrack on both of you and I'm going to say The exact same thing you guys basically said

But just in a different way You contrast this age on this side of heaven Before Christ comes back

There is sin and suffering Age to come, no sin and no Suffering, this age it's

Corruptible bodies, age to come Glorified bodies, perishable Gives way to imperishable

Corruptible gives way to incorruptible Mortality Death gives way to Immortality, eternal things

Temporal things give away to Eternal things So that's the omniperspective

Simple, it's right there So in other words Melissa Owens Listen up here

In the female dispensational Don't be calling her out like that I have to because we're converting her

You were just calling out Matt Melissa Melissa Hey Tom, not me

We love you girl So No seriously

In all seriousness Considering that Mortality gives

Way to immortality That your corruptible body gives way to Glorified bodies

In the pre male In the pre male dispensational System You guys are going to be coming back

To a millennial kingdom Where there's still sin Where there's still people living

Having sex next door to you Being tempted by sins Where things die And you're going to be living in your glorified

Bodies next to people in their Natural bodies It's an absolute impossibility

It can't happen It cannot happen She's now

On mill and 1689 I told her She comes to our conference We're going to all mill her to death

She'll leave our conference At 1689 Federalist So this is I tell you this brothers

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God Nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable This is the reason I'm not post mill

They're trying to make the kingdom of God Something that you can walk and see today This text says that you cannot inherit

It currently Behold I tell you a mystery We shall not all sleep but we shall be changed

In a moment and in the twinkling of an eye At the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound And the dead will be raised imperishable

And we will be changed So this is the resurrection The perishable body must put on the imperishable

And this mortal body must put on immortality When the perishable puts on the imperishable And the mortal puts on immortality

Then shall come to pass the same So pause there This happens when the resurrection happens

Death is swallowed up in victory Oh death where is your sting Oh death where is your victory

Oh death where is your sting Death can't happen anymore Because the resurrection has happened

Doesn't exist that does not work This text does not work In pre -millennialism It does not at all

Yeah and that's coming straight from the scriptures Not only that You look at a When we have our glorified bodies

And we are in the new heavens and earth Are on the other side It's not a kingdom Eternity is on the other side

Right It's not pre -millennialism And the millennial kingdom

Has a time stamp on it If you believe in the literal thousand years That's going to end

Well where is eternity You have glorified bodies and then that's going to end There's no time stamp on eternity

You would have to insert That's why it's called the gap theory Isn't that what it's called in pre -millennialism You have to insert a gap into this text

You have to put in the parenthesis here in the text Saying that the resurrection takes place And then there's a gap with another resurrection

At the end of that Because people were dying in that period And then death is done So the parenthesis was originally added

In Daniel chapter 2 Over the statue And then it translates over to Daniel chapter 9

And I would argue that In Daniel chapter 9 The person that they're calling antichrist

Is Christ So all these pre -millennial dispensational preachers Who preach from Daniel chapter 9

They're calling Christ antichrist Which is very very dangerous And very very concerning And so I would personally

Run from this position Um It just doesn't hold water

The 70 weeks ended In A .D. 34 Now hold on Right around A .D.

34 A .D. 35 No A .D. 34 because I believe Christ was crucified in A .D. 30 And then

A .D. 34 would have been the end of the 70 weeks And that's where we see Peter going to Cornelius Proclaiming the gospel, the

Gentiles are brought in So on and so forth Paul is Saved, commissioned to the

Gentiles But We probably should do a show

Where we actually walk through that parenthesis Concerning Daniel chapter 2 And Daniel chapter 9

We don't have time To really do it tonight Next question Y 'all help me look for one

We got more comments than questions Any questions guys? What size gloves does

Brayden wear? Mediums Mediums Do you know what another word for medium is?

Average They're average hands You guys can go take a large hand Brayden only has a thumb

And it has like the one cover Little mittens, is that what you're trying to think of? Hey these mittens can throw paws dog

I'm coming after you Small paws That's your trick What's that?

Melissa Hey if that's another word for average I'm okay with it

Kitten paws Melissa Any solid advice

So Ashley Renee asks Any solid advice For a Christian couple

About to enter Into marriage I got it And I'm not even a biblical counselor

Jeff's going to interrupt you You want to go first? I'll go ahead

I've been doing a lot of marriage counseling Right So mine's going to be based off Of a marriage conference

That my wife and I just went to And it was by Dr. Street He's a biblical counselor

Through ACBC Out of the Master's Seminary Qualified guy Really was a good conference

And he said so If you're going to be looking for a wife If you're looking for a spouse That the number one thing that we should be looking for Is not through human eyes

Not through what the world says to look for a spouse as Not for necessarily passion Or attraction physically

Which you still need those things But the most important thing would be To look for a wife

That her number one goal Is to live holy for the Lord And that she's going to help you

Live holy for the Lord That the number one thing that we should be doing For each other

Is pointing each other to Christ In our daily life And that would be the number one thing

That I want to live a pleasing life To my Savior And I need my wife

To help me live that way And I need to point my wife And present her holy unto

Christ That's my role as a husband To her, to love her And to point her to live a holy life towards Christ Beat that I would also just add

That in marriage We have to remember the curse We live in a cursed world

A fallen world And in this cursed world So the curse

That was pronounced on a woman Was that she would Feel pain and childbearing

And so this is not only Whenever you're having the baby But also in your cycles

Your monthly cycles These cramps, these headaches that you're experiencing All of that is from the curse

But also Something else that's given to the woman In the curse is that She desires

To be the man And so A woman has to Whenever she enters into marriage

She has to understand That there's going to be times where she's desiring The position of her husband

And she needs to put herself in check In times like that And the husband When all this is happening

The husband also has to remember That she is the weaker vessel And so we constantly have to give

One another grace And so when my wife starts tripping and trying to be the man I have to tell her

Listen, this is my role As the man But also

As I'm correcting her I also have to remember To give her grace

And vice versa Anytime that the The Bible calls the man to do something

That's counterintuitive to himself And that is to love his wife As Christ loved the church

And the woman is having to do something counterintuitive To what she stands And that is to honor, respect, and submit

It's easy for guys To honor, respect, and submit Whenever we're around other men

It's easy for me to respect other men Because that's just the life that we live Especially, I'm an ex -game banger

And as a game banger We had total respect for our homies Love, on the other hand

Was harder for Especially to express You can love someone But to actually express this love

And so a man has to remember The curse as well And he has to Purposely Show affection to his wife

To love her And I would also say Whenever he's not doing these things

The woman needs to remember the curse Correct her husband, and also be gracious Because we're told to do something

That's counterintuitive to our nature Amen Good stuff, Jeff So somebody else asked

Are you guys pro -life or abolitionists? Well, it depends on what you mean by abolitionists

Because I've heard some Things that I wouldn't

I would be So I would So my definition would be abolition

That I believe in 100 % Abolition of murder Against Any unborn

Baby that life Begins at conception And I believe in equal justice

That That women should be held Accountable for getting a boyfriend

And abortion They should be Charged with a crime of murder

So yeah, I'm not an incrementalist I think that murder in the womb Is wrong

We'll stop What do y 'all think about this? Go ahead

Go ahead, Brayden All right

The question Are you pro -life or abolitionist I think is really a question of Are you an incrementalist or an abolitionist

I've been seeing a lot of things Recently I just watched a debate today on this

And the abolitionist would say That if a Christian Ever voted for a heartbeat bill

You are sinning Against God That's the argument

That's being made by the abolitionist If that's the only bill that's being voted on And if you vote yes for that You are sinning against God It would be better for you to say no to that bill

On the premise that you're saying You think it's sin To say no to that You're approving

You're approving So by you This goes back to this

No, no, no, no If you said No to it, that means that babies

In the eighth month are getting murdered tomorrow For sure Are you okay with that?

I'm not okay with any of it You have to choose between two different evils You do, you do

Because if you don't The main evil Is going to take over I'll tell you,

Spurgeon said Spurgeon I can't go and tell Spurgeon what's up You can tell me

That's fine, Spurgeon said If the choice is between two evils Choose neither Then the stronger evil

Wins I disagree with you guys Here's the thing Christ sees everything

You can disagree Christ sees everything And you guys are going to go vote

On a bill that says Go ahead I'm not voting for that bill Listen, if that was on the docket

And I voted yes for it It means that tomorrow A six month old baby in the womb can't die

I'm probably going to say yes to it In thinking that it's going to save the six month old baby tomorrow What about the rest

That you're approving Okay, so then you vote no for it Because you don't want to sin against God But then the six month old baby dies tomorrow

It's all going to happen No it's not, not if you say yes to the bill Let me ask you this

Is lying a sin? Is lying a sin? Like if someone tells a lie, is that a sin?

It's a sin against God Well God blessed The ladies

In Exodus In Exodus In Exodus The midwives

Who lied about Moses I'm just saying It's a lie It's breaking

God's law But they lied in order to save The life of a child,

Moses So let me ask you this Would Jesus do that? Would Christ The author of life

Vote for that? If you guys can say yes You guys do what you guys need to do

I'm saying no So here's the problem You're saying that Time out

Let's name it Christ says if anybody Would hurt one of these little ones

I would put a millstone around his neck And drown him You're saying that you would vote no to a bill

That could save a six month old baby tomorrow I'm saying that I would vote no He just said no Abortion on any age

Zero This is where I think the abolitionists And the incrementalists are talking past each other

Both groups want the end of abortion Today Both are saying today

I'm not saying I'm picking the heartbeat bill Over the abolitionists bill Land that we're going to be taking If we're talking about a piece of land

I'm going to take a little bit here And a little bit here And I'm going to gain that ground But that's not what we're talking about We're talking about life

We're talking about And if you vote the wrong way Most babies are going to die

Here's the results Here's the results of what's been happening With the pro -life bills right now

Is that people are going outside Outside of those means To still abort their babies

To still abort their babies It's just not being recorded Because there's no facility to go do it They're doing it on their own

Murder should happen Murder should happen in the dark alleys Absolutely I'm saying that they shouldn't be doing it

But we shouldn't be promoting it for the six month old Next week We would disagree If I see an abolitionist bill or a heartbeat bill

I'm going to pick the abolitionist bill Every time But if I just have the option of doing a heartbeat bill

I'm going to do the heartbeat bill Because that saves the baby tomorrow That's six months old in the womb And not say it's sinful

To the Christian for voting yes to it That's wrong I don't think so That is allowing somebody

To harm a baby tomorrow It all is That is sinful

No it's not 100 % If you allow

Kamala Kamala However Trump says it Right She's no worse

A no vote Listen I've never said this I really try to stay out of political things However I am saying it this time

If you do not vote for Trump you are voting for Kamala Let me ask you guys this

And then you guys come back Legitimate question If the standard

If the standard for the reason why you guys are not voting for Kamala and not voting for abortion because in the third trimester if if the standard that you're going by is what scripture says about murdering a baby

And you guys are gonna say absolutely not we're not gonna vote for come come on come on based on that on that standard

Okay The only difference is that you guys are arguing about is an age in which you should be able to murder a baby

Yes, I don't think any I don't think it's right to murder at any time. Oh that same standard by the same biblical standard

How do you say that? It's okay to do it at at at a heartbeat as long as we don't could detect a heartbeat

We could go. I'm not saying that's okay listen. Don't put words in my mouth I said if an abolitionist bill and a heartbeat bill were right before me.

I would say yes to the abolitionist The way he's presenting it's like what do you want to be stabbed to death or to be shot?

Both of them are wrong, but I would rather But if I had to make a choice I will make a choice and and what it's gonna hurt me the less would be to shoot me right shoot me in the head and In Trump's bill is better than Kamala's bill.

It's a better bill There's no doubt about it strategy wise and everything, but but here's the thing

It's it's still not abolition, and I cannot I cannot I want

I want it to stop today. I don't think This goes back to the definitions of a

Christian nationalist if we're saying an abolitionist is somebody that wants to stop all abortion today

Then I am unequivocally an abolitionist, but if I'm going to assign sin to a heart thought

Issue that is a very difficult issue to somebody when they're trying to make the best decision to promote life

I'm not an abolitionist Let's go to a different question All right,

Patty asked What do y 'all think about the lost books and the Bible's what the lost books of the

Bible series? What are y 'all? I don't know what that's speaking of. Yeah, y 'all know what that's speaking of. I don't see it.

Hold on By the way, I got it on this thing that that I'm gonna stick with Doug Wilson on this

He's an ink. He doesn't go all the way on the abolitionist up. So yeah, I disagree

Yeah You're voting for Kamala Patty I I Don't know.

I haven't looked into that I think that's the but it's a book that talks about the Apocrypha and the book like the gospel of Judas and the gospel of this and the gospel.

Okay Yeah, so I believe the 66 books in the Bible is what is authoritative there. There are some of the books that I would say are

That we can use for history, but they're not authoritative but but some of those books that they're talking about are actually garbage

Well, I would have to see the book. Hey, do we have a Jehovah's Witness on here William Graves? God Huh?

I think so. Are you Jehovah's Witness William Graves? Repent, bro Jesus Can't beat

God. What is that? Hey William who was on the throne in Isaiah chapter 6 and I want to ask yourself

Is there anyone greater than the God that is on the throne in Isaiah 6 and the answer is no

The God on the throne high and lifted up with seraphims around him hiding their selves reminding each other how holy holy holy he is

What you would say is Jehovah I would say is Yahweh John chapter 12 says it's Jesus that's right

Philippians chapter 2 says that God He he exalted

Christ so that his name would be above every other name name. So What are you gonna do with that Jesus is

God and we don't allow heretics on this Huh, yeah

Yeah, William Graves reprint, bro. Jesus is God. Listen if Jesus is not

God. He doesn't qualify to To matter of fact, he's not qualified to die on the cross to pay for our sins.

Oh, you're gone. Anyway, so somebody booted him Demi Yeah If Jesus is not the one and only

God then Then he couldn't forgive sins we couldn't because Forgiveness means that the person who was wronged is the one that's forgiving is the one that's doing the atoning

That's the one that's letting you go free. If if Jesus is not God Brother you barely make it.

Okay Okay Let's see

Any questions, you know the least Are y 'all enjoying y 'all selves speaking to the audience

I know I'm not Eternal supporters who we

Hmm is

Okay. So so the question you're asking is is is Jesus eternally subordinate to the

Father? so anyone

Okay, so so let me lay out a biblical concept of the

Trinity one God Three persons one being okay.

So so so so RC Spro I don't know. I don't know who got who he got this from but this is what

I use RC Spro says that they're the one What and the three who's the one what is the being of God God?

Right. There's only one God the three Who's are the three persons and each person is the one being?

All right, and there is no Hierarchy Meaning there is no alpha.

God. There is no alpha member of the one being now now they are positionally father son and Holy Spirit but concerning deity

Concerning deity. There is no hierarchy when Jesus was on earth in the flesh

He he the father was greater in position because he was in heaven on on the throne but once Christ Resurrected went back to the father

He's not greater. All right. Good question

Yeah, what is it in John? Glorified me with the glory that I had with you before the foundation of the world.

Is that the quotation and it's from John I can't remember Yeah, John 17

John 17 So, yeah The father didn't become incarnate.

The father did not get made underneath the law Jesus the son did So like I just got done preaching through Jesus washing feet.

All right, so you had the master the there there there their leader

Step so Darren suffer He steps down from his position as leader wraps himself in a towel and Begins to wash the feet of his servants and at the moment of him washing the feet of his servants

He is putting himself as a lesser position because because this was a position for slaves, right?

And immediately once he's done he goes back to his position He takes off the towel and he unwraps herself in a towel.

He puts back on his garments. That's how it took place So Jesus enthroned in heaven

Isaiah chapter 6 the angels are surrounding him. They're hiding themselves. They're calling to another how holy he is

Jesus steps down from the throne. He takes off his his royal garments and he becomes humanity

Right, and when he does that he steps down from his position and so in his position

The father is greater. But once he puts he takes off humanity

Right in the resurrection in the sins. He goes back to his rightful position and the father is not greater

Well, he still keeps his humanity Yeah, but it's a resurrected humanity.

Yes Permanent two natures Absolutely hundred percent.

However in deity and in deity they are this one God There is no there is no alpha

God, right? Like you're the same with alpha male where people try to outman one another I can't stand alpha males, right?

We are all equal. That's wrong And and that's how it is in the

Godhead. There is no alpha person Oh God, so the reason why Christ came right if we're gonna hold to about this covenant theology is because we needed a

Mediator we needed a new covenant head the first covenant head failed

We needed a new covenant head and so Christ Humbled himself became a man

God became a man to live as a man to die as a man for men so that's

That's it. But but he is God and he is on a throne and he is not eternally subordinate to the father

Favorite term of covenant between Christ Something What's y 'all's favorite term for the covenant between Christ and the

Father in Psalm 2 the covenant of peace that I use the covenant of redemption.

I Believe that this so I believe that the covenant of redemption is a blood covenant

And I also would say that it is an extension of the covenant of grace in doing so he accomplishes the covenant of grace the father

Purpose I said this earlier the father purposes to save a people Speaking of redemption.

This is election for all my Calvinist out there He sends his son to accomplish the purpose.

What was the purpose to save a people he? accomplishes it through his death burial life death burial and Resurrection the

Holy Spirit applies that purpose this purpose of saving the people Through the message and you and I who are filled with the

Holy Spirit are to preach the gospel The gospel is God's power for salvation when we preach the gospel

The Holy Spirit applies that purpose to those whom the father chose to save Absolutely, and we can read you can read that in Ephesians chapter 1 if you want to If you guys need the text

Ephesians chapter 1 just as he chose us in him before the foundate Well, let's go back to chapter verse 3

Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ just as he

Chose us the father just as he chose us in him the son or in him the son

Before the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless before him We love by predestined us to adoption as sons through Christ through Jesus Christ To himself according to the good pleasure of his will

The praise be the glory of his grace and is graciously bestowed on the Beloved in him We have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of our transgressions according to the riches of his grace

He can't continue on there and he talks about what the Holy Spirit is has done as well as by by drawing us and sealing us

How is this understood in eschatology in the light of Trinity 1st Corinthians 15 27 28?

For God has put all things in subjection under his feet But when he says all things are put in subjection as his plane that he is

Expected who put all things in subjection under him when all things are subject to him then the son himself

Will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him that God may be all in all speaking of the resurrection

And So the question is How's this understood in eschatology in light of the

Trinity? I think the the when Paul is saying God there he's talking about the father we see from several passages in the

New Testament that the second coming is is the equivalent of marriage language and Traditionally in that day of the true

Jewish tradition The father is the one that got to decide the wedding date the wedding day and the things that happen on it.

And so When Christ is going to come again after all things have been put underneath his feet

Then Christ will be subject to him the father and will come again to meet his bride.

That's the way I would answer it eschatologically Yeah, that sounds right So I want to ask a question to see what y 'all think about this.

What do y 'all because Braden? I know that you Have a Mormon background

What's your thoughts on? Baptizing for the dead

What do you think that speaking of? Yeah, so I I am a holder of the

Aaronic priesthood and The bishop gives me the right to be able to go in and baptize in behalf of somebody that has passed away

No No, it says verse 29

Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead if the dead are not raised at all? Why are people baptized on their behalf?

Why are we in danger every hour? I protest brother my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our

Lord. I die every day. What do I? Gain if humanly speaking fought with beasts at Ephesus if the dead are not raised

Let us eat and drink for tomorrow. We die. Do not be deceived back company ruins good morals Wake up from your drunken stupor as is right and do not go on sitting for some have not have no knowledge of God I say this to your shame.

Is that the the portion of text that you're referring to at the baptism of the dead? Yes so I've heard it.

I've heard a lot of different arguments for it. I've heard that near Corinth there was a pagan religion that taught

Baptizing on behalf of somebody that has died I've also heard that people were being baptized in the name of dead gods or dead deity

There's a lot of different answers that I've heard To this text and a lot of it has to do with cultural premise of what was going on around the

Church of Corinth in that day, which seems to make sense because he says Wake up from your drunken stupor as is right and do not go on sitting for some have no knowledge of God I say this to your shame so he's talking about people that are in that community people around the church people that are in the church that are influencing the way that They're acting regarding baptism within the church

Yeah, well, I would say that you and I were baptized into the death of someone right

Like when we're baptized We're baptized into the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ All right, so let's look at so there's two questions

I think that we need to answer Sam has a question and I also want to answer Melissa's question

Real quick. So look so Sam's a little more tougher. So let's look at Melissa's real quick.

She says off -topic Curious as to your thoughts on head covering for women

My wife covers her head We come to this agreement at the same time and then it wasn't long ago

She kind of fell off and didn't think that she should have to cover and I said no

You're covering and so so here's the thing without getting too much into it

It says that a man should not cover. I'm going bald. I wish

I could wear my hat The scripture says not to cover so I take off my hat

It says that a woman should cover so I And so my wife being in submission to me.

I make her cover. However, I do not make Men that come to my church take off their hat nor do

I make a woman cover That's up to their own conviction but my wife covers

And I take off my hat in church So So my wife does not cover although Cover, although I I think that she should

But I've left it up to her conscience that if she if it's her conscience that she is sinning by not covering

So I'm I leave it totally up to her I also look at it. It is a matter of conscience

Also looking like this if I can obey this if I can't obey the small things How am

I going to obey the bigger things? And so when I see something when I see something very simple like man should not cover

I say that's simple enough So when I go to church, I don't cover right? All right, and so I'm trying to train myself in The small things so that when the big things come

I have all these small Looks like when you lift in weights, right if you're gonna start lifting weights, you don't want to start out heavy

You want to start out light and you work your way up to the heavier weights? right and and the

Bible has Some pretty hard positive commands for us to do such as evangelism evangelism is a is a big command.

This is flesh -eating It's really hard to do I do those things However, I think in the the reason why

I'm able to obey these harder commands is because I obey the Smaller commands as well such as when

I enter into church. I'd take off my hat. I Would agree with you.

I like the answer I do Leave it up to my wife

She's gonna have to answer to her Savior. Yeah, but the way I rated it should be up to you.

I Agree but If she says she's not going to cover

I can't I can't force her so You know I'm saying I Can't But I do

I do I do think that she should cover Now real quick. Let's get to Sam's question

So federal vision is basically faith plus works That it's it's it's

It's convoluting both justification and sanctification together in a way. It's it's that you're

You're federal vision is saying that you're you're justified by faith and your works as well, and yeah, it's conflating

Oh Antithetical to the long gospel distinction, yeah, yeah

Like this is a lot of what Catholics do Catholics can fate complete Justification and sanctification, right

Let's see Let me see everything for some reason should reform

Baptist smoke cigars Absolutely, is that on there? No, I just Melissa I'm just curious.

What do you do? Do you cover never really understood that?

Does it take from Jenna's back to Genesis chapter 6? I have a different interpretation of Genesis chapter 6

Wait, what? And I think that's a big topic if we get into that we're going to be arguing about Genesis chapter 6

And I think that we should argue about it, but I don't think we have enough time to argue about it tonight So let's put that on pause

Genesis 6, what's the question on Genesis 6? Because like who are the angels right because it says

God saw the daughters of men and saw they were beautiful and took them to be their wife I would say that the sons of God are not the sons of Seth that they are actual angels who took the form of men and That had had sex with with earthly women and and their children were the sons of her now not the

Nephilim The Nephilim are not the sons of her now The Nephilim could be Bigfoot. I don't know

But that's another I know when you read It's a first Peter second

Peter it touches on it and also Jew touches on those angels that were that were disobedient

And that in Genesis chapter 6 is the only place that I can truly find in Scripture where it speaks about disobedient angels

But if y 'all want to argue about that, we got to do that another time Somewhat holds of that position that that head coverings was a cultural distinction.

Yes. Yeah, I don't I would I would say it was a creation Creation mandate

I go to it as a cultural thing. Yeah, most people

I would say most people today do Cultural absolutely. Yeah, I I don't

I don't make my wife cover. I think her long hair is the covering No, but if you follow the text, it's not you follow the text.

It's not the covering. Yeah, that would be my wife's position, right? Sweet, I mean, I'll be willing to have a debate on this

Just like the Genesis 6 passage I'd be willing to have a debate on that as well I I am

I am not fully convinced one way or another if it's if it's angels or if it's talking about Kings So Melissa you you attend a

Reformed Baptist Church 1689. We have both all male and female So I'm assuming female historical or dispensational

Dispensationalist and be a Reformed Baptist it goes against the covenant and it goes against chapter 7 It would have to be historical pre -mill.

It would have to be Yeah, it can't be MacArthur is John MacArthur is not

Reformed. No, he's a Calvinist at Baptist Are you allowed to name your church?

Melissa historical. Yeah, how are you dis be in a 1689?

Never mind, but they must not be really pushing the covenant really hard I was a part of a 1689 church that didn't push the covenant and it was a mixed bag of nuts.

So Yeah, and they would I'm wondering if they would hold do

Classic covenantalism or are they really 1689? Federalists who's throwing my name around?

I already won the Bigfoot debate. He doesn't He's a demon if he exists he might be a demon what's

What you just said it I? Know what it is. I mean, I don't think he is but it might know the whole time

You were arguing that he was a real thing. I'm saying I believe I do believe it's a real thing.

I believe Right So you think you think he's a real thing that you can go out and find with sonar radar thermal stuff right now

Listen, if I had the money to invest and go out there and do it, I would No, listen, he comes out when people are in the woods doing seances.

That's a demon whatever No We've already had the show on Bigfoot I went back and watch the show

I was right Now I'm pretty sure the

Loch Ness Monster does exist. Yeah Once There's no

I agree with you there Melissa, let's see what else we got here He really believes in Bigfoot I don't know

I'm gonna because it's the way you say believe I don't believe in like I trust in Bigfoot.

I don't like to use the word I believe that there is a creature.

That's a flight that walks upright That we haven't discovered it was not it took to 19.

Oh, we denied the existence Up until the 1960s

If I was to take it and I could get a video camera and and kill an ant right here

I can kill an ant and take a video camera and then you'll see other ants come because the ants give off a smell that It attracts the other hands.

The other ants will come grab their homeboy very Whoa, did you just say you could get a video of something and let me see it?

Show me the video Bigfoot. I set up an ant Kill an ant and then other ants will come and pick up their homeboy and Take him back to where his body will not be there, but you can find an ant you can't find

Bigfoot That's the issue Jeff. Well, cuz they're tree climbers. I Can't climb a tree

I do good getting up without hurting my back I'll pull up.

I don't watch when I roll over at night Oh But now he's assigned what they do they're tree climbers, maybe

You have evidence that they're not Maybe Demons that's all it is.

It's their Nephilim. What about what about those? What do they call those those those? Those ghosts like things

Yeah, I hadn't looked into those

All I know is this chupacabra thousands of people. I'm talking thousands of people have had experiences and seen something

Yeah, but that's fight I mean they are speaking gibberish I mean they're forcing

Speaking gibberish. Hey two or three witnesses Jeff I'm not saying that they're not doing so habit of a dude type of thing, right?

But it's not a real it's not a real language You know in Dubai the

Dubai people they really like cartoons But they don't like Flintstones the

Dubai people the people that live in Dubai They really like cartoons, but they don't like the

French stones, but the people in Abu Dhabi do You got too much to drink

Water People in Abu Dhabi do

I'm happy that you thought that was funny, Tom It's not it's just I don't think

Orange orange on the croy You know something I mean like I was a part of a church that would teach people how to speak in tongues and all it was was just some kind of a

Syllables that people were saying But I would say

I would say that they were really speaking it was just not of the Holy Spirit it was gibberish

That's not according to the two or three witnesses I talked to Listen if you don't understand what they're saying

That's not one of the two or three. I've talked to they say they understand everything My biggest argument against the people speaking in tongues is that you have three thoughts

So let's name three sets of a group. So you have Trinitarian Pentecostals, which will say similes of God Baptists listen be quiet Jack way, and then you have and then you have a

One that's Pentecostals and then you have another group called way Internationals Which is a quarter.

They're kind of like a mixture between Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses, right? They all three believe in the gift of the

Holy Spirit with the evidence I mean the gift the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues all of them speak in tongues

And they sound just the same except they all believe in a different God two or three witnesses, though Yeah, yeah, the witnesses is they're all they're not so Yep, so the thousands of people that have seen

Bigfoot All nuts. Oh, yeah, listen Brighton.

They are Yeah, yes, I was out in the woods and I saw

Bigfoot and I reported it to you would you believe me no Why are you

I would I would ask why are you summoning demons out in the woods? Summoning demons

I wouldn't be out there knocking on trees.

I'm out there my 12 gauge pop. No, what would you be doing? I wouldn't be knocking on trees.

No do the noise again My 12 gauge no do the other noise Gotcha You know remember last week my computer died and I ended up leaving it's not ready to do this again

Well, you know you need to charge your stuff I know already so we've been on here an hour and 55 minutes

He's in trouble A serious question pastor announces immediate unfit for office.

He proceeds to preach for Five that is a hundred percent wrong wrong

Absolutely wrong. Yeah, if you are if you have done something to disqualify yourself

You need to set down. Yeah. Oh, yeah announced today, too.

That's weird. Is this somebody in Tulsa? Tulsa I believe orthodox

MacArthur is from Tulsa, right? Don't you go to stop shirts? I know you're not talking about scalp, but I'm just asking

I know there was another person in in Tulsa that announced that he was gonna be

Well, you're close to Jeff. Never mind Okay, do you know of any pastor

Jeff that announced five months ago and still preaching? No, I don't I don't

I just might not be in the same circles

Give me a name Be brave He's gonna

DM you the name Well, we'll out it. We don't care

Any other questions? Any other questions? Are we gonna sign off? Oh TDJ is no.

I thought you put TD Jays. Was he had a ditty party?

Did you guys see all the baby oil that they confiscate Thousand bottles we gotta be careful about this your butts gonna start hurting

Jeff Your seal

I Tell you what, it's made me question

Hip -hop are all these gangsta rappers that I grew up listening to like like I just I don't know anymore, right?

Diddy's gay in a not so happy way. Yeah. Yeah. He's not gay heavy gayqueer

W Do stop speaking and in weird languages just come out and say it.

We're not a popular YouTube channel people don't watch this show Now he said

NSF Y FG I Got nothing now say for Your fellow guy, that's what it means

There's absolutely no shame with those folks Orthodox MacArthur the first one means not safe for work.

The second one means not safe for your F 'ing grandma. Oh Okay What I don't get it

Yeah, I don't speak in code man I don't know what any of that stuff means

Sure, it's cool. Brother in Christ. Okay, cool. I Just I didn't know who Tim was Well, how do you howdy

Tim? Time man, we don't get butthurt

I grew up in the trailer park and I wrote a song and it was and it mentions that there's no safe spaces and places

Would you when your place is on a hitch? So we didn't have all that stuff Now Brayden he might have grown up in a place where there was safe spaces

Yeah, you had no safe spaces. I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico in the body of homes

I grew up in the body White kid growing up in there you better fight

I grew up as a Mormon I grew up as a

Mormon raised by my grandparents and the best thing he ever said was don't get hit first so we were swinging we were swinging

Joseph Smith, baby Aren't you a descendant of Brigham Young?

Yeah Why gang I don't even know what

GTSY means Oh, we talked about this one the other time. What was it?

Good to see ya Yeah, I remember that one Good to see ya

Is it ya or you? Good to see you or good to see ya I'm pretty sure it could go either way

I'm gonna stick with the ya With the trailer park it's ya Great to see ya

Good to see ya Good to see ya Y 'all don't even know what it means One person says good and the other one says great

Great to see you Great to see y 'all So yeah

I'm currently auditioning for new friends If anybody would like to hit me up We're taking applications for open air theology laughing laughing

You're gonna be able to have a backbone and be able to take criticism and and and argue

That's why hats had to go he couldn't argue No one said anything

BT ID well someone what was it was half those rapture

I Think yeah, I think that's the reason why Braden is so intimidated by Bigfoot It's because if someone that big with big feet and big hands like Brandon just don't want to be a part of it

He's not jumping on that train. He's afraid of heights too, and they're trick climbers Maybe it could explain a lot you can hit me up for friendship

I'm about ready to get raptured on my computer battery guys Let's just sign off any last words

Braden Go get your ticket to the open -air theology conference

Sanctification it's going to be called war go get your tickets.

We hope to see you in February You I'm just gonna say

These guys keep on pushing these buttons. They gotta look out for these small paws So come watch come come watch the throwdown

And put me not listen open -air theology conference is turning into the new

MMA Come watch it war 2025 February total in Tennessee I'll ahoma,

Tennessee, not Tallahoma. It's Tullahoma Tallahoma, it's called

Tullahoma. It's not cool. It's cool. Oh, how do you spell it? Ma Tullahoma Tullahoma, whatever.

That's how we say it down here I Philippi Anyways Tom last words.

Yeah. Yeah go go I Do I do

I Go tell someone about Christ go tell go tell your neighbor this week make it a point to go tell your neighbor a friend

Somebody you don't know Strike up a gospel conversation and tell them and then the next time we're on this is your homework

Tell us how it went. Let us know what happened whether they rejected you or not But go tell someone about Christ for sure for sure.

Don't don't do seances in the woods looking for Bigfoot. He's a demon No, yeah. Yeah. Well, he's not a demon, but don't do seances like And knocking on trees with wood like that's just that's that's demon stuff.

Oh, we lost them. That's fine He was wrapped He's gonna be calling my phone here in a minute.

Yeah. All right Again like Brandon said y 'all need to come check out the the conference in February if you don't

I don't know I don't even know what you're doing with your life. Like it doesn't make any sense So so we're not a big conference, right?

So so so no one's too big for their britches All the speakers you'll be able to hang out with not just walk up and talk so you'd be able to hang out with We're just man.

We're not trying to be put on a pedestal The Only thing great about us is the

God that we serve hallelujah hollaback Y 'all should come hang out with us.

It's going to be a blast It's a small conference, but it's the it's the most fun conference that's out there

And so I want to encourage y 'all to come check us out here in, Tallahoma Anytime come check us out.