November 20, 2003

The Apostle Peter’s Call to Defend the Hope Within Us

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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The Eddie Long Clip and the Problem with “Revelation Knowledge”

That's great song. Is it Steve camp run to the battle? I have a really funny story about Steve camps saying run to the battle, but I don't think we should start the program there this morning. Oh goodness, we've got to have some fun today because Mm-hmm Tuesday night was to Tuesday night was well Tuesday night was to Tuesday night spawned two web pages From Roman Catholics within two or three hours the program that you know that you you hit a home run.

When when that happens, we set all new records for how many connections we had all new records for how many people we had in Channel. It was it was pretty pretty incredible. No two ways about it. And of course then we blew up a channel on the on the on our soundboard.

So we're running on a backup soundboard right now. And so if everything just goes kapoo II in the middle of this, you'll know you'll know what happened. It's gonna be gonna be one of those one of those days those ways about it but so far so good everything's working at least as far as we can tell and We're gonna throw the phones open.

I do have some things to talk about. I've got a clip to play. But I have a feeling there may be some folks who'd like to comment on Tuesday evening because we didn't take phone calls. There have been lots of developments since then.

Eric Svensson is going to be in fact, you know, I should fire up Yahoo Messenger watch this blows All sudden silence because I fired up Yahoo Messenger. Fire up Yahoo Messenger and see if Eric's online because he is he mentioned yesterday.

He is likewise putting together a yeah, he's idle, but he's there let me let me see if I can track him down and see when he's going to be posting a Article that he's started putting together in response to especially Roberts and Janice and John Pacheco and their their Look we found an exception stuff and it's really funny, but I'll leave that to him.

It's he's doing the research on it. So I won't spoil his fun but we'll be talking about that and Also, you may recall if you can remember past Tuesday night and those of you who didn't listen to Tuesday night are going What is he talking about?

Last Thursday morning, I discussed we play we read a question and answer from Dave hunts Bree and call and I Narrated for you, and I told you I had looked could not find I narrated for you The statements of Bishop Eddie long and regarding first John 3 2 and I said man, you know, I'd really rather have the actual statement here because You know, I just like having you know, let them say it I think I accurately represented what he said, but let them say Well, lo and behold someone who remained nameless for his own safety and protection given some of his connections tracked down the the video of Of the program that I've been watching on TBN Week ago last night, and I guess it replayed that I was wondering if it was going to replay but there wasn't anything listening to TBN website saying that it would or something and so we have the clip of What I was talking about last week, so I want to play it for you because I want it I want everybody to know I was accurate.

I was I was being fair and so I have that available here and Taking your phone calls at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. For those of you who did not hear last week And I I mentioned that I've watched this on this teeny tiny little screen I had this tiny maybe three inch black and white TV in our kitchen and And So I had not noticed what was behind him.

I mean I could tell he was in a big place. There are thousands of thousands of men there. But I couldn't I couldn't tell what was behind him. Well just now watching it as we were MP3 ing this we could play it Everything behind him, and I couldn't even really tell what he was where I knew he's wearing something fairly casual he was wearing a muscle t-shirt and Underneath this Vest and just sort of workout pants type stuff and behind him is all this exercise equipment machines like you know Cybex leg extensions and lat pull-down machines, and that's what's on the stage is is Is workout stuff and right in front of him is a is a dumbbell rack?

With some with some you know knife. I'd like to have the I'd like to have the equipment I actually have some of that equipment, but I'd like to have the equipment he had and So I you know I don't know what's going on before this, but it was some sort of thing I don't know.

Maybe the power team was hiding there someplace. I don't know but Deon Sanders was there and There's a thing here where he talks about TD Jake some print. I could play that part unless you know you forced me to buy by not calling in with your comments from last week, but anyway.

But he's getting toward the end and So this is the section that I was talking about so here's here's Bishop Eddie long and his not now note something. Catch a few things first of all he puts this in the realm of Revelation which in of itself should Say something about why we need to not only believe sola scriptura, but maybe practice it.

You know believing it practicing it two different things it seems and then Listen to the music. I You know maybe we need to start doing this maybe we need to hire somebody to come in it'd be pretty easy I'm assuming to hook in a synthesizer Keyboard over there, and maybe you know rich has learned how to do website stuff and script and print and and do videos and all stuff all when all you got to do now is learn how to play a piano and Listen to the music because as you know when I'm talking like this the music would be soft and slow.

But then as I get excited you look at how you get faster and faster and louder and louder. And then it'll go back down with me, and it would really add a lot I think I think that's what I need. I think that's where I'm missing it.

That's why I'm not much of a preacher anything is I don't have the cool musical background. And I wonder if we could do musical backgrounds during the sermons at Phoenix or foreign. I mean I never mind.

So let's let's listen to Bishop Betty Long from the Trinity Broadcasting Network program taking authority and first John 3 to The word shall ain't in the Bible.

I need some folk because you know what all we need is a revelation. You don't need to see Bishop Long you need a revelation of Christ you need to see Christ. And I need some brothers who are hungry to get a peep just for a moment.

So when you go back down on the mountain because you're gonna go back after a few days and that but you won't go back. Chains, and you're gonna be able to deal with it. I need some brothers that are ready for this revelation this people of Christ to run up here to this altar right now.

I need some I need some I need I see I need I need I need I need I need I need I need. I Haven't figured something out. I think it's something out. You need to hear this. I said this wrong for so long.

And I read it and I read it wrong. So you gotta hear this. You've heard this before and John Does not get up here What we shall be. But when he be up here We shall be like him. Y 'all remember that. Please understand if I had time to give you the history of King James and understand that.

You got to really study the Bible. Because there were certain words added into the translation that alters it a bit. That's why you got to pray when you read the Bible that God reveals. Now you go back and you get a Bible and you get a concordance a simple strong concordance.

Are you looking there? There is no shell and The Bible there's there's no shell. It was added to make it sound good. It was added to keep folks somewhat in bondage. I'll talk about that some other time.

Hear this because the problem with us is we sing in our churches. About when Jesus comes back We shall rule and reign. And the only reason he's not coming back because that's not the reason that he's to come back that when it's over.

And I see him. That's not it. That's not the way it reads. Now, let me extract the word shell. That's God did not put in there. It does not yet appear What we be. But when he be appeared We'd be like him, but when he be appear We'd be like him.

What that mean what that mean what does that mean let me say what it means get a glimpse of Christ. You change like what you see. I worship is seen to see what the preacher gonna preach get into the worship.

Get into the praise. Let's see. That's the reason why sometimes right now. And the charismatic kind of move. That's the white I'm supposed to run out there and lay hands on everybody so nobody's looking for Christ.

They're looking for flesh. Cells up range us words. It's about exercising. And you know what the one thing that we fail to exercise.

Is our vision? Hello. Hello. I tried to give you a warning there, but You can go ahead and turn that down. Uh, well, you know, hmm I was trying to mention in the in the chat channel that You have this revelation stuff going on and then in the middle of the revelation stuff.

You get this this application and this is where the false doctrine comes in. You know, this is this is how and this is the common way it works. And I don't know if you heard that, you know. Following the music along the music gets goes up and down and you get the emotions going.

And he had had all these people come running down the front. And so you've got you know. You've got all these people who are now standing down front of thousands of people and people waving their hands and and they're right down.

Where he is and he's you know, he's a good communicator. I mean, you know, he's he's you know, getting looking right at him. He's he's very good at communication. He's learned a lot from TD Jake's and things like that and then he you know, I've got this revelation I need you I need you.

I need you. I need you. I need you. I don't know how many times that ten times I'm like that. They all come running down there and so now you get this this idea that you know, something's coming something's coming and You know people in channel we're coming.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. When he be appeared we be like him. I mean, okay. But that doesn't make any sense and are you really asserting it sounds like it wasn't he said don't have time to go into it.

So it would be fascinating to hear this. I would love I would just love to hear this discussion There that would take place about the King James translators. I Wonder what the idea here is. What what is the idea.

That's that's that's being communicated were they really is there is there sort of a Conspiracy theory going on here. Am I finding myself in the in the in the position of Defending the King James translators.

Well, I will because there's no reason for me not to the King James translators. We're not King James only there on my side on that issue. But It almost sounds like the search is being made they did this to sort of keep us in bondage and I'll sort of sort of What do you do is sort of but the word shall isn't there and we mentioned last week.

Yes it is. The Greek term is a Samatha that's the future of I me and that's the only way to translate it and It's a perfectly valid translation. We can use The You know any other translation we can use the word we will be like him instead of we shall if you want to do that.

That's fine. It doesn't really matter. But the in the long run the point is it's a perfectly good translation to call this revelation knowledge is in essence to accuse the Holy Spirit of not being able to understand the language in which he himself inspired the writing of The scriptures themselves and then you have the application and Here's where it really starts to bother me here.

You have the application. Well when you see a Jesus when you see Jesus And you you are to be like him. Well, Jesus isn't hooked on drugs. So you shouldn't be either. Well, okay you know if you know the Lord can draw a straight line with a crooked stick and if he uses that to Help a new a new believer to be off drugs, that's fine.

But the problem is it's the foundation that's being presented. Because then you hear and if and if you're sick and you see a healed Jesus, ah See there's the problem. Because you see being on drugs, that's one thing.

That's that's a choice a person is made. That's an abuse of their body that person has chosen to engage in. But what do you say to the person in the wheelchair? What do you say to the person? Who who is afflicted with a lifelong disease?

They don't get to see Jesus the way other people get to see Jesus. Is that what you're saying to them? Do you see the suffering servant do you see the the Jesus who who is with the sick people and do you see the Jesus Who is who is at the bedside of the of the person who is afflicted their entire life?

Do you see the Jesus that Paul talked about when he talked about the thorn the flesh? Is that the Jesus you see? Do you see the the Jesus who talks more about suffering than anything else? No, that's that doesn't sell books.

So we don't see that Jesus and all of it based upon what a completely false Presentation first John 3 2 it cannot be substantiated by the grammar. It cannot be substantiated he said use Strong's Concordance you can't use Strong's Concordance to come up with that.

It doesn't give you that information. That's me where he got it from but Anyway, I just wanted to play it. There was obviously a lot more I mean there was there was even more that we recorded he goes on he talks about TD Jake's, you know slamming the Brakes on a car because he said he felt like he was a failure and and all this stuff and again, you know.

Very good in getting people all ramped up and excited and and all the rest that stuff and hey. You know what? He's got a church with 25 ,000 members and I go to a church with around 60 so from the world's perspective, I'm the one who's who's you know, completely off-beam here and I don't know if he's written any books, but I can pretty much guarantee you That if just his congregation bought two copies of all his books he'd outsell anything I've ever done so You know, how do you how do you measure success?

How do you measure the the the you know? There's there's there's the situation we face in our world today. And so is it any wonder. Is it any wonder that these. You know, you contrast this and we look at this and and we go, huh, man.

It's just so sad that this is so far off the base and it's so easy to recognize where it went astray and then you turn around and you look at our society and You look at what's happened in Massachusetts and you look what's going on in Australia and Canada and England.

Look at our blog page for some of the information about that. You see these. This absolute cultural Meltdown this this this hatred of God's law this hatred of the idea that God has revealed what is right and wrong in human behavior and You wonder why?

People don't listen to the church. Well the vast majority of people in our society When they think of quote-unquote conservative Bible-believing Christians, this is the stuff they think of. They don't think of people who are serious about about studying the scriptures and and the history of the scriptures and the context of scriptures and and Putting forth the effort to be consistent in a Christian worldview and all the rest of stuff.

They think about This kind of stuff what they see on TBN. It's a blight. It's a plague and if anyone thinks that God is not concerned by the way, just in passing I mentioned on our website I Saw a political leader most of you can probably figure out who it is a political leader over the weekend and The discussion was on judicial nominees and I don't care what political party or part of it is Obvious beyond all question that one of the two political parties has decided that you will not sit as a powerful judge in this land if you do not as an unquestioned element of your worldview believe that it is proper and absolutely necessary to Be able to murder unborn children.

One of the two political parties is a side. That's it. There's no question about it. You will not be a judge unless your worldview and cute includes the ability to shut your mind down to all rational thought to all Scientific evidence to all philosophical argumentation and murder unborn children.

You will not be a judge. We will not allow it and I think they're gonna be successful. I think they're gonna be successful. And I watched this man smiled a camera and say oh, there's there's there's no we do not have any agenda in Blocking these nominations none whatsoever.

And I said to myself if that man Will not be held accountable for God for his actions As a leader in a nation, then there is no justice there is no justice. I Could I help but think of the fact that the the nations in Canaan before the Israelites before the Exodus?

The scriptures tell us that their their transgressions were being filled up. That they were they were horrible people. They were I mean they were involved in the most debauched thin. God never sent him a prophet.

Did he. God didn't. God didn't start off by saying the Israelites out to the far side of the Jordan setting up a camp. And then we're gonna send mission teams in. We're gonna send mission teams in and they're going to slowly instruct the people on what God's law is all about and so maybe they'll stop Doing all this stuff.

No I. The the the iniquity was filled up and the time came you destroy them man woman and child and the and the beasts. That are theirs and there was probably reasons for that, too. They didn't have the scriptures they didn't have the law in a written form.

But they did have it written upon their hearts, and they were held accountable for it, and they were destroyed. For their behavior and God has destroyed many a nation for those very same things. Well so you think about Massachusetts you think about what happened there, and what's happening there and you just you just well God brings repentance in his own ways, and it's very frequently through judgment and my my goodness well Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one.

I don't see that anyone has picked up the phone that means that probably just means that I'm babbling on and I apologize for that. But it is it is fascinating by the way. Something's going on channel.

I really have not had the opportunity of following it. Someone with some unusual views has showed up, and I'm not really sure. If your sins were actually oh, it's someone who doesn't believe in limited atonement I guess or or maybe it looks more like substitutionary atonement actually hmm interesting well anyway Tuesday night was was something else there were a couple of a Couple of articles that were posted.

First of all it was fascinating to me for those of you who listened. One of the things that are expense and had to point out to mr.. Matta ticks who I just What can you say. When I asked mr.. Matta ticks for the name of the scholar that he was he was pushing in his debate with mr.. Murphy.

That took place a week after our debate when I asked for the name of the scholar he said well, I don't know and I said well How can you not know well? I had just read the article that day on the internet.

Can you imagine? Walking into a debate and Making one of your main points repeat it three times. An Article you just read on the internet. You've not checked it out. You certainly haven't had time to look at the sources and the use of the sources.

And you've never heard of the author before you can't even remember what his name was. But I'll pass out copies of it, and then when I asked Jerry These scholars you've talked to today on the phone did did any of them read?

The actual material that you were asking them to comment on. What did we get? It's called dead air. I Don't know you don't know so you are presenting to us as scholarly refutation of Particular research these opinions these men, but you can't tell us if any of them have ever actually read the research in question.

Nope, don't know. But there's a but there's a there's an article at Catholic Leggett calm and you just go over here, and I'm looking at it and I Started. I wish you know it's it's not easy to to look at things on on the internet and And Do the program and have clips going and all that stuff all at the same time.

I wish I had gotten I had scrolled just a little bit Farther down than I did because if I had gone just a little bit farther down on that page the very page Jerry was promoting. We encounter and I remember what how did Jerry?

Describe this page. Well look at all of these tremendous scholars all of whom Outrank any of us well you read Jerry's website. Read the the stuff that he says about himself, and I'm really not sure if he believes that.

The stuff he posts from other people about himself. You know a great scripture scripture scholar and the greatest of our generation all this is stuff. You know I don't know but you get down about 60 of the way through this article and here is a quotation from Dennis Huckel critical consultant translator Lachman Foundation and as soon as I saw that I went oh.

Because you see I'm a critical consultant with the Lachman Foundation, too, and so I contacted my superiors there, and I got an email address, and I immediately wrote to Dennis Huckel and I said um could I ask what?

Specifically you were asked about this. Have you ever seen? The research of Eriks Fensen on this was it offered to you. I'd like to offer it to you if you haven't seen it. But but what were you asked and I got the answer back this morning.

Well. I don't have the original emails. But no I've never seen that research. I Was simply asked whether it has a particular meaning so in other words these people maybe is John Pacheco directly I don't know probably was Contacting all these folks they're not providing the information not providing the research, and you know what Jerry Maddox knows this.

You know how I know Jerry Maddox knows this because I asked him a direct question Tuesday night on the program. I Said Jerry is this not exactly like what would happen around the year 1800 with Granville Sharpe's rule now Jerry knows what Granville Sharpe's rule is and he knows that it's a perfectly valid rule.

It was not Identified. Actually the complex of rules five or six of them together was not identified until The late 18th century the publication toward the end of that time around year 1800 my particular copy things from 1805.

And if you had gone around and didn't provide Granville Sharpe's actual study. But you wrote to various Greek scholars who had not yet had an opportunity looking at it. You could have argued against Granville Sharpe not on the basis of what he wrote.

But just on the basis of the fact that not everyone had seen it yet. Remember what his response was? Christian truth is not and it's not under the control of of biblical scholarship and study. It's apostolic and all this stuff, and it was so obvious that he couldn't answer the question.

So he knows this he knows that's a perfectly accurate application. And he has no response for it. But I'm really wondering. I wonder if John Pacheco if he's going to say well all these people in this list.

You know by their position by what they've done. They've demonstrated that they're great Greek scholars. Well I have the same position. I wonder if he'd. That would that require consistency, and that's that ain't gonna happen.

But then after that. It's not like John Pacheco could be the only person to post something so Bob's and Jenna's Bob's and Jenna's weighed into. And I'll tell you like I said on our blog spot. On our main page.

I really think Bob should should leave this leave the titling. For others because ding-dong the witch is dead. It's just lame. Okay, that's just really lame. All right, that's bad. And what was the entirety of his response?

Does he deal with all of the? Silences all of the the questions unanswered. The complete inability to read a simple lexical entry on the part of geriatrics. No, no no no no the entire thing is on one alleged exception in A source that's not only unbiblical.

We don't even know what it was written. Of course they don't mention that part, and that's one of the things their expenses could be addressing, but but see there's just one source. And so James White the deceiver that he is knowing that their positions been Exploded by this one citation folks have anyone ever really given thought to the fact that these folks are so desperate.

That not only they sent emails out to all these scholars without providing them with the original research to examine. But then they will grab on to one extra biblical thing as if they are actually believing That grammatical rules are Determined solely on the basis of whether they're absolutely Exceptionless and anyone who knows the language knows that is absurd Absolutely absurd.

I'm really starting to wonder about the abilities of most of these people to even muddle their way through first John let alone actually do serious exegesis, and I have good reason to do so Absolutely amazing stuff.

Well. I've gone past my time the break. We need to take a break, and then we're going to talk with Steve and take your phone calls at eight seven seven Seven five three three three four one. We'll be right back.

Hello. There you go.

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A Caller Asks About the Catholic Debate and Future Appearances

And welcome back to dividing line. We've got about.

22 minutes or so left on the program today, and so we're taking your phone calls at eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one. Interestingly enough. I only have one phone call so far. Maybe it's time a day.

I thought there'd be more folks who would wish to ask questions or make comments on Tuesday evenings program, but that's what Steve wants to do. Steve is in the the the small nation with a weightlifter as governor.

That but I won't go any past that because being a member of that particular society is sometimes embarrassing. And and we don't want to in any way Make Steve feel uncomfortable. Because we all know his background where he lives.

Hi Steve. How you doing? Alright. Okay, let's see now. You just told everybody where you live.

The way I found out about you was on Steve Ray's Catholic Message board. Oh yeah, and they all know me as a copy Steve. So oh okay.

So they know where my address is. Any any anybody who can keep up with that board is is. Has got a lot more time than I do.

Well actually at the time I owned an ISP and so.

So you and you could always excuse it as well. I'm testing the system. I'm making sure the system. Well it's back. I Think they still are but all the all the URLs change. So you might just need to refresh your URLs because I do all the time.

I'm pretty knowledgeable on it. Yeah, well, I thought for sure they're still there, but it will ask Steve. Right well we do have them available in mp3 on our website, so those I mean and I think.

You know personally I would never buy an mp3 from someone that I didn't know about.

Well. Actually there, there's there's one or two that they sneak into but other than that yeah, it's true.

Yeah, so I found out about you, but from the Catholics. Oh, yes, that's always fun. Yeah.

Listen in Tuesday night them yes. Okay. And my question Is there. Yeah, well we thought well it is not in Josephus and that that was one of the amazing things was. You know Jerry says what. Well I have to apologize apologize for what for being unclear.

No Jerry. You got the wrong guy and in fact you got the wrong source you see if it if Josephus Who is a first century source had something like that that would carry more weight, but in reality it's not there.

We have found and first of all Jerry said it was in the 80s. As far as his his age, and then you go to Eusebius and eventually we tracked down a source. That said and in fact it's if you go to the ailment org website if you go over to Pete's blog.

It's linked on my front page. He's not. Yeah, he's put all of the the relevant citations on his on his blog so you can read them right there and when you read it, there's this discussion of James. No the only the only Source site ancient citation he's got it there, and it talks about how James was a virgin.

It's in a book about the the how great virginity is and so it's talking about how James was a virgin till the day He died at 96 and how holy what he was and then the amazing thing is it says that he had access To the holy of holies he was so holy that the Jews would allow him to go into the holy of holies which.

Yeah, which. Yeah, immediately everybody's going yeah sure he did uh-huh. But this is the context in which it is found, and it's and it's from centuries. After the original and of course the point that I want to try to make is because Jerry spent the first 20 minutes giving us Jerry's book corner about paperbacks and hardbacks and and all the rest of stuff the point is.

Is that in his public statements for years in the context of saying this is the kind of historical material that converted me to? Catholicism he told people that Josephus who is a first century writer.

Yeah, but not only that but see he he repeated that not just in debates. But remember Jerry speaks all over the land right and as he would tell people about his his Conversion and what converted him especially talking about Mary and the perpetual Virginia Mary.

This is the kind of quote-unquote historical information converted to Catholicism. And I think it's important for people to recognize that what Jerry should have said is you know what? I don't have a first century source on that.

I've been wrong for years about Josephus in reality. It's hundreds of years down the road, and I've got to admit. It's in the middle of stuff that doesn't sound overly historically compelling, but this is where I got it from he's not going to say that.

Instead he said I apologize for being Unclear actually my argument stronger than I thought it was that's not an apology. That's that's a way of trying to avoid admitting. You've been wrong all along and so Josephus didn't say it.

He didn't buy to look it up. It's from hundreds of years later in very questionable material. Somebody said he was 96 years old. But they didn't actually at that point give the date of his death, but it wasn't a church father that said that.

You know I'd have to pull up the I think it was. Wasn't it used was it Eusebius? Somebody popped the URL up for me. I'm not sure well Pete's on TV. It was quoting it from someone else. It wasn't something right right.

It's it's it's it's Mediated through another source and that kind of thing it's it's Absolutely amazing to me that that people would try to put this out as if it is somehow Something that is is compelling or something along those lines.