A Lesson in NeverTrumpism & A 1/2 Hour with AD Robles

Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. My name is John Harris. I've got two topics to get to today. I'm going to be shooting from the hip a little on the first one, and we're going to be opening our Bibles, which is always good, and what I'm going to do is I'm going to examine something that was written by David French, and Joe Carter retweeted it.

It's kind of a never-Trumper article, and I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, I've said this, but I know a lot of people who did, and David French seems to insinuate that the reason that Trump supporters that are evangelical voted for him is because they just want to hire someone else to do their dirty work.

They can't hate because they're Christians, but they'll hire someone to hate, and I've got so many bones to pick with this article, I'm not going to get to all of them, but I just want you to be prepared.

I'm making it for you, honestly, those who supported Trump or will support Trump this time around, in the sense of voting for him, I just am well aware of the fact that people like David French can come to you from a posturing of a moral high ground and say, you know, this is why you're doing what you're doing, and I just don't think it's right, and I'm going to show you some things, and the other thing that's concerning me about this article is that it seems to be on such a theologically weak level, it's surprising to me.

Joe Carter retweets it, loves it, and this is a guy who's a pastor at David Platt's church, and yet it seems to be on just such a theologically weak foundation, and so I want to point that out to you, give you some ammunition in case someone starts shooting at you because you're going to vote for Trump or something like that.

My motive in not voting for Trump, my main motive, I mean I saw some of the concerns that I think a David French and a Joe Carter have, they think I think it's a branding issue, you know, look how he's making us evangelicals look, we're looking bad to the elites in the media and in Hollywood, etc., and that's not who we are, and you know, I saw that issue, but more important to me was the fact that Trump did not seem to be a true conservative before he started running for the presidency, and that was my concern, and I think I was wrong, I think in some ways he actually isn't conservative, but he has been way more conservative than I ever thought he would be, and I think that it's time to admit that, it's time for people like David French to admit that, but the problem is I don't think that was David French's motivation for not supporting Trump, it was a branding issue, and it wasn't that Trump wasn't going to be a conservative, which was I think my issue, and so we may have both not voted for Trump, I was a Cruz guy, but for different motivations, a little bit, maybe more than a little bit, and I probably will, I shouldn't say probably, I'm planning on voting for Trump this time around, I'm going to do some more videos on it of why I've changed my mind on this, and really it's not just me changing my mind, it's Trump changing, I'm seeing a transformation in him, and that's what you want, right?

You know, it's often portrayed that evangelicals are selling their soul, and if you didn't vote for Trump in 2016 based on moral principles, or conservative principles, and now you are, well you've changed, well I don't know that that's true, I don't see it that way, I see that Trump's changed, and he's proving himself, and that's the kind of change you want, David French doesn't seem to celebrate that kind of thing, so we're going to talk about that article, it was posted I think on Twitter on Sunday morning at 10 .30, so I didn't see it when it was first posted, I don't know why a Christian article is being posted when most people are on their way to church, but maybe he wrote it the day before, and it was posted on the website then, I don't know, but either way, I'm looking forward to going over some of that, and we're going to be opening our Bibles, and that's always a good thing.

The second thing, the second topic is, I'm going to be doing, I already did actually, an interview with A .D. Robles, you need to check out his channel, A .D. is a brave guy, he does good content, he's one of the few people that will publicly go out there and defend me when the Twitter mob is after me, and I appreciate that about A .D., you know, I don't ask for that, but A .D. is, I'm proud to call him a friend, he's a true friend, that's what friends do, and if he's in a tight spot, I'll back him up any day, he's right on, I think, there's not one thing I've found yet where I disagree with him on anything, I'm sure we're going to find something eventually, I know, I think he's more Presbyterian, if I'm not mistaken, so I'm more Baptist, so there's that, but on public theology, A .D. and I just seem to line up, and I just really appreciate him, so go to his channel, I'm going to put the link in the info section, and you can check it out, and subscribe there, and I'm looking forward to the interview, by the way, the interview is supposed to be a Patreon only interview, and I'm just going to plug this real quick, if you are a Patreon supporter, you know the perks to that, you get my weekly messages, updating you on what's going on, you get to have a say in what I do on the podcast, you have access, you can send me suggestions, you can comment on things on Patreon, I'm very likely to listen to suggestions from the audience that finances what I'm doing, and so that's a perk you have, this month you have the option of getting Mark David Hall's book, Did America Have a Christian Founding, so those are all the perks to being a Patreon, but I was going to make this video an exclusive Patreon video, and put it behind a paywall, the interview with A .D. that is, and I just thought, you know what, I'm not going to do that, everyone is going to benefit from this, and those on Patreon, you're going to see it either way, so I just decided to put it out there, and so you're going to enjoy that, A .D.'s fun, and he'll bring the positive vibes after you get upset at David French and Joe Carter, so look forward to that.

God's Love and Hatred in Scripture

Now, let's get into the Joe Carter stuff, and the David French stuff, and I'm going to lay a theological foundation before we do. This is what I think is missing. There's a one-dimensional view of God out there that says God is love, and yeah, 1 John chapter 4, I believe it is, says yeah, God is love, and John 3, 16, God loved the world, we believe that.

Now, is there a sense in which, though, God is also someone who hates? And I would say that the two actually go together. It's not just that God is love, and love, love, love, and that's it. In fact, in order to love, there has to be some kind of hatred, and I'm going to read for you these verses, and I'm going to explain why.

Psalm 5, 5, the boastful shall not stand before your eyes. You hate all who do iniquity. That's not deeds. That's not God loving the sinner, hating the sin. That is God actually hating individuals, those who do iniquity.

He doesn't send their sin to hell. He sends them to hell. I mean, this is orthodox Christianity. If you don't like it, then leave Christianity, but this is what Christianity teaches. The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence, his soul hates.

Again, people who love violence. Abortionists, right? Those who love Roe v. Wade. Did you see what Bernie Sanders said recently? Very pro-Roe v. Wade. That's his litmus test. The Lord hates that. I'm comfortable saying the Lord hates Bernie.

Bernie understands what's going on. He's old enough. He's been around. The Lord hates Bernie for that, and if you have a hard time saying that, then I think what you need to do is think through and really do a study, actually, a character study on who God is and his nature.

I'm comfortable saying the Lord loves Bernie on a certain level because the Lord has not sent him to judgment. He's still alive. He's actually doing very well. He has a number of houses. I think he's a millionaire, or if he's not, he's very wealthy.

I think he is a millionaire. The Lord has allowed him to prosper in the United States, and so there's a certain sense in which the Lord loves Bernie. He's allowed him to have access to gospel teaching and preaching in a country where the gospel is still.

You can find it fairly easily, and I would say that there's a certain sense in which you can say there's a love there, but it's not the special, particular grace that believers have, unless Bernie gets saved, which may happen, and we should pray for that, but there's a hatred, too.

There's a hatred for those who hate God and hate his law, and we can't get away from that. Both of those things are true. Proverbs 15 .9, the way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord, but he loves one who pursues righteousness.

Evil plans are an abomination to the Lord, but pleasant words are pure, so not only does he hate the wicked, but he hates what they do. He hates their words, even, so their plans, their words, their deeds.

Revelation 2 .6, this is interesting. This you do have, and this is John writes Revelation, and this is talking to the church at Ephesus. So, the church at Ephesus is presented positively here as having something that is valuable, and what is that?

It says, you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans that I also hate. So, God is saying to the church at Ephesus, he's saying, this is something that you have that's really good. You actually hate this thing, the deeds of the Nicolaitans.

Now, when did you last hear of Christians being praised for their hatred? But there actually is a sense in which Christians should be praised for a certain kind of hatred, hating sin, hating the deeds, in this case, of the Nicolaitans.

And then, now, Proverbs 6, this is great. Proverbs 6. I'm going to ask you, what political party does this sound like? There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven, which are an abomination to him.

Okay, what are those? Haughty eyes. So, an elitist attitude, looking down your nose at someone, thinking that you're better, pride, right? Haughty eyes, displaying it publicly, haughty eyes. A lying tongue.

I can think of several cable news networks that regularly engage in that, right? And it's not just on the left, but we know that it's definitely on the left, and it seems like there's more of it, it's more prevalent.

Hands that shed innocent blood. Is there a political party that believes in, I don't know, abortion? Yeah, there is. Hands that shed innocent blood. A heart that devises wicked plans. Feet that run rapidly to evil.

So, it's not just, you know, loving evil behind closed doors, it's actually a pursuit of evil, a public pursuit of evil. You're just running towards it, you can't help yourself, you're addicted to it.

And false witness who utters lies. I'm thinking of, you know, the recent Trump hearings, the Kavanaugh hearings, false witnesses, right? And one who spread strife among the brothers. I don't know, maybe ripping up the State of the Union speech after the president was trying to give a uniting speech talking about the things that hopefully Americans on both sides should be able to come around, and ripping that up.

You know, that's, I just can't help but seeing the Democrats jump out at me when I'm looking at this. Now, it's not about the Democrats specifically, but these are things that the Lord finds to be an abomination, right?

And there's people on the Republican side, people on the Democrat side that both would be characterized by some of these things, but we, I think any honest person looking at the political parties knows this really characterizes the Democrats, like almost as a descriptor of them.

You could read this list. Now, you'll see why that's important in a minute, but back to the idea that God loves and hates at the same time. There's a sense in which God loves everyone, right? Loves the world, sent his son.

You know, the rain falls on the righteous and the wicked. That's not particular grace, but there is, you know, a sense of love there that we're not in judgment. You know, those who are not saved, who have not repented, put their trust in Jesus, they're not getting what they deserve.

They're not in judgment. So yeah, there's a mercy, and God has that. But yet, God also hates, and there will be a day of judgment, and his wrath will come down on those who have sinned and broken his law.

And this is why the gospel is so important. This is why you need to come to Jesus. He is your only hope. If you don't have Christ on the day of judgment, and you stand before him, and he judges you based on his law, and you've lied, and you've stolen, and you've committed adultery in your heart, and you know, go down the list, you're going to be in trouble on that day.

And you need not your own righteousness, because you don't have any, but the righteousness of someone else. And that's where the gospel comes in. That's what Jesus can give you if you repent and put your trust in him.

And if you have questions about that, message me. I'm not hard to find. I'm on all the social media platforms. Message me, and I'll be glad to tell you more. But God is a good judge, and good judges will punish evil.

And they don't send the evil to jail or prison, right? Even in an earthly court, they send the person there, because they're the ones culpable for it. Now, here's the question. You hear, you know, okay, and I've heard this before.

Yeah, God hates, but you're not God. And there's certain incommunicable attributes they're called, things that God can do that you can't. And you're not supposed to hate. Well, is that true? Should Christians hate?

Psalm 139 .21. Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you? Psalm 26 .5. I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked. Proverbs 29 .27.

An unjust man is abominable to the righteous, and he who is upright in the way is abominable to the wicked. I hate them with perfect hatred. I count them as my enemy. Psalm 139 .22. Perfect hatred. Is there a perfect hatred?

Yeah, there is. There's a kind of hatred. There's a righteous indignation, which we're supposed to have. Be angry and do not sin, but there is a righteous way to be angry about certain things, and there's a righteous hatred.

Now, check this one out. 2 Chronicles 9 .2. Jehu, the son of Hanani the seer, went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord, and so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?

What's going on here? Jehu, right? He comes to, in a prophetic way, to King Jehoshaphat, and he's saying that because of King Jehoshaphat's love, he's in trouble. And he's loving those who hate the Lord.

When was the last time you heard of a Christian getting in trouble for loving something? And it's phrased that way. You know, you love this evil thing or these evil people. You're loving, you love Democrats, right?

And I'm not just saying Democrats because of habit. You know, I'm saying like convictional Democrats who know that abortion and the profaning of marriage are wrong things, but those are their convictions and they're full speed ahead, feet running rapidly to evil.

And you know what? You don't hate that? You don't hate someone like a Hillary Clinton? Man, you know, you're in trouble with the Lord. That seems even harsh coming from my mouth. But yet, this is the reality we see in Scripture.

So you got to make sense of it. And you know, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just bringing you what the Bible says. And I'm trying to give you some application here or some scenarios in the modern context you can apply it to.

But you know, come up with your own scenarios. Make sense of these passages. And there's many more I could have brought you. Now that we've talked about this, I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to talk about this article.

And I'm going to show you why I wanted to go through that first. First is Arthur Brooks' Prayer Breakfast speech, which the Joe Carter article is modeled after. And Arthur Brooks is a Roman Catholic. He says so in the speech.

And here's what he says. I'm going to read you a few excerpts from this. It's America's Crisis of Contempt at the National Prayer Breakfast. And he speaks before Donald Trump gets up to speak. And he says, My friends, you've heard a lot today that you've agreed with.

And well, you should. You've also heard a lot about the other side, political liberals and how they are wrong. But I want to ask you to remember something. Political liberals are not stupid and they're not evil.

They are simply Americans who disagree with you about public policy. And if you want to persuade them, which should be your goal, remember that no one has ever been insulted into agreement. You can only persuade with love.

Now here's the thing. There's some truth to this. But there's also some bad assumptions behind it. And I want to show you what those bad assumptions are, if I can. Let's take this to an extreme kind of situation, scenario.

Imagine we overuse the Nazi one. So let's go to Soviets, usually the second one used, but we'll use that one. You're in Stalin's Soviet Union. And someone tells you that, you know, the Soviets, the communists, the godless, atheistic communists, they're just people who disagree with you about public policy.

That's all they are. They're not stupid and they're not evil. Now, how would you react to that? What would you say? Well, okay, their policies are stupid, I guess. They don't work. Soviet Union's going to collapse.

Communism doesn't take into account human nature, doesn't take into account how the creator designed this place for private stewardship, so private property, etc. There's just some stupidity. It came in somewhere and a human brought it in.

It's not just a vacuum. It's not just stupidity is out there floating somewhere and humans grab it. I mean, humans come up with stupid ideas. So communism is a stupid idea in some ways. It's also an evil idea.

Can there be good motives behind people that want to be socialists? Yes, there can. And I totally believe that you need to assume that some people are just ignorant and deceived. But you kind of have two options.

Either the person's ignorant, i .e. stupid in some way. They don't have the knowledge and they haven't thought through it and they're not maybe bright enough to think through it sometimes. Or if they are, they just haven't put in the work.

Or if they do know what they're talking about, they're evil. Now, bring this to the Democrat Party platform. If you can vote for the Democratic Party and you agree with that platform on some level, either it's giving you a benefit of the doubt here.

You don't know what it truly means. There's an ignorance there. There's a stupidity, for lack of a better term. Or there's an evil. If you know what it means and you, yeah, murdering babies is fine. There's something evil about you.

Now, I don't know how else to put it. Those are the only options. It is a dichotomy. It's a real dichotomy. It's not a false dichotomy. There's no third option there, really. Now, these are considered mean words, right?

I mean, you learn that when you're eight years old. Don't call someone stupid. And I think that's kind of what Joe, not Joe Carter, sorry, Arthur Brooks is getting at here. Don't treat people that way.

And I'm going to keep reading here. He says, if you want to persuade them, which should be your goal, remember that no one has ever been insulted into agreement. You can only persuade with love. It was not an applause line.

And then, so he's talking about saying this at a venue. And then he says, after the speech, the speech he gave where he said what I just told you, a woman in the audience came up to me and she was clearly not too happy with my comments.

You're wrong, she told me. Liberals are stupid and evil. Now, I mean, there are some liberals who are one or the other, I believe. But, okay. You understand why she might say that. Now, he says, the lady, that lady, after my speech was trying to hurt me, wasn't trying to hurt me.

But when she said that, liberals are stupid and evil, she was talking about my parents. I may have disagreed with my parents politically. And I can tell you, they were neither stupid nor evil. They were good, Christian people who raised me to follow Jesus.

They also taught me to think for myself, which I did, and at great inconvenience to them. Political polarization was personal for me that day. And I want to be personal to you too, so let me ask you a question.

How many of you love someone with whom you disagree politically? Are you comfortable hearing someone on your side, own side, insult that person? Now, here's where, here's the sneaky part. Are those, does this mean that if you say that someone is stupid or evil, does that mean you're not loving them?

That's the assumption he's making. It's like you can either have one or the other. You can't call someone stupid and still love them. But I think you can actually. And in fact, we see this example even in the word of God.

Actually, many times we see it in the word of God. And I'm going to show you some of that. Here are just a few examples. Proverbs 12, one, whoever loves discipline, loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Second, Timothy three, six through seven, for among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning, never able to arrive at the knowledge of the truth.

Now, does God love these people? Maybe not in a, in second Timothy, I'm pretty secure saying, I don't think in a particular grace kind of way that he's saving them, but does, are they in judgment at the time this is written?

Not all of them, no. There's, there's some mercy being displayed to them. So does God loving them? I guess in a certain way, yeah. But he calls them stupid. How about this one? Check this out. Jeremiah four, 22 through 24, for my people are foolish.

Who are, who are those again? My people, children of Israel. They're foolish. They know me not. They are stupid children and have no understanding. They are shrewd to do evil, but to do good, they do not know.

Just think about, um, the fool of Proverbs and how much is said about foolishness, uh, stupidity in scripture. There's a lot. So my contention is that, um, you know, you can, you can actually love someone and you can still call them stupid.

It is possible. And in this case, you know, she's talking about liberal. She's talking about a group of people here. She's saying that, um, this group and, and, you know, in the modern parlance, especially in conservative circles where this guy's speaking, uh, when you talk about a liberal, you are talking about someone who was for killing the unborn.

You are talking about someone who's for profaning marriage at the very least fundamental moral issues. You are talking about someone who wants to steal from others and redistribute that wealth to give to, um, certain groups.

Um, you know, you go down the line, there's a lot of bad things. There are a lot of stupid things, a lot of evil things, and there's a group of people supporting those stupid and evil things. It's not a jump to say that the people that are supporting those things are stupid and evil because those ideas weren't in a vacuum.

Those ideas were adopted by a group of people. Not hard. You can still love them. Now, here, here's the part where I think there's a point to be made here. And, um, and I've made this point actually many times before you, you do need to realize that there are people who do things out of habit and they haven't thought through that, uh, what they're doing.

Um, you do need to see people as humans that bear the image of God. And sometimes in their minds, what they're doing is actually morally righteous. There's Nazis, many Nazis who thought what they were doing was morally righteous because they were under the thinking of some false premises and there were evil false premises, but they still thought in their own mind.

So, so to go to someone, um, and to just immediately call them to name, call them Nanana, you're stupid. Well, you're not going to get very far. There's a strategic angle to this that is just not, it's not wise.

Even Jesus, think of Jesus. When he confronted the Pharisees, did he start out out of the gate? You're just a bunch of stupid, evil people. No, that's he was actually pretty shrewd with how he approached it.

Now, did he lamb blast them? Yes, he did. He was saying stupid and evil were, those would have been nice compared to the things Jesus said about the Pharisees, but he didn't do it all at once out of the gate.

Um, he put them in hard situations, uh, where they had to, um, uh, you know, squirm a little bit to, to find, to, uh, you know, justify, uh, their, their own teachings. Um, he embarrassed them publicly.

Uh, he, so, so there is a model in Christ, I think. Um, but the, the main point of this is those two things are not diametrically opposed. And the reason that I think I have an offense to this kind of thinking, uh, that is being engaged in by people like Arthur Brooks is because, um, the character of our God is not this way.

God can love people and still think that they're stupid and they're evil. In fact, everyone apart from Christ is actually characterized by sin and evil, and yet God so loved the world. So how do you make sense of that, Mr. Brooks?

Um, now let's, let's keep going here because this, this is where we're getting to the good stuff, right? So, uh, David French puts out this article and this is what he says on Twitter. One doesn't comply with the command to love your enemies by hiring someone to, to hate them for you.

Some Sunday thoughts on the prayer breakfast debacle and our obligations uphold even the most difficult commands. Joe Carter retweets. It says, this is the best article I've read in ages, and I don't know how any Christian could disagree with it.

And yet it will offend many who put politics ahead of Jesus. Wow. Hotty eyes, maybe. I don't know. Look, so, so basically if you disagree with this article, you're putting politics ahead of Jesus. That's all you're doing.

And I disagree with it by the way. And, um, I don't think it's because I'm putting politics ahead of Jesus. It's because I actually believe that you're fundamentally misrepresenting the character of God and Jesus.

That's why I have a problem with it. The best article, really, this is the best article. What does the article say? The article, uh, parrots kind of what I just read you. And so I'm going to show you that.

Um, here are a few snippets from it. Uh, talking about, uh, the prayer breakfast and, um, the article that I had just mentioned, Arthur Brooks, uh, speech, that speech, he mentions that David French does.

He says, uh, Arthur Brooks, he delivered a theologically true and moving address about a profound and difficult biblical command. Loving our enemies. Now loving our enemies is in scripture. Is it not?

Yes, it is. Uh, I'm going to read you the text in a minute to, to in context, but it was not a theological truth, theologically true and moving address. It should not have been moving to those who are theologically astute.

Um, but of course we see such behavior all the time from hardcore Christian Trump supporters. They'll echo Trump's lies. They'll defend Trump's lies. They'll adopt many of his same rhetorical tactics, including engaging in mocking and insulting behavior as a matter of course.

And of course, yeah, maybe there are some people out there who do that, but look at the, the hardcore Christian Trump supporters, right? This is the kind of behavior, uh, it's, it's what we always see from them.

Um, this is just, it's fundamental to who they are in David French's mind. I don't think it has to be. I think there's some hardcore Trump supporters. Is Mike Pence a hardcore Trump supporter? Yeah. I mean, he's his vice president.

So, um, you know, pretty hardcore, I would say. Uh, he agreed to do that job and I don't see him, uh, engaging in the same kind of behavior that Trump engages in. So you're wrong, Mr. French about that.

Um, or to put things more plainly, one doesn't comply with the command to love your enemies by hiring someone to hate them for you. Now, this is an attack on the motivations of people who support Trump.

You're just hiring someone to do the hating for you. Now this, I would say, is it possible that there are people who do that? You know, they would never say it, but Trump will say it. So they'll vote for him.

Yeah. Probably more out of cowardice though. I would think they're afraid to do that or their job will be in jeopardy if they say the kinds of things Trump says. And so, you know, they're comfortable voting for him, but maybe they wouldn't say those same things.

Now, um, is, is there a sense in which there are moral scruples that hold them back and they like it when Trump does it? Maybe, but we're really going out on a limb now. And David French is being really confident that that's, that's the motivation.

And he's, he's just carelessly using it almost in a universal way. And, and I've, I'm offended by that, to be honest with you. I don't know of one Trump supporter. To be honest with you, this is, this is the kind of thing I hear from just about every Trump, even the hardcore Trump supporters.

I'm talking about people who were like, I'm for Trump. As soon as he's coming down that, um, that escalator, I didn't understand that now I'm starting to a little more, but I'm still kind of like really in the whole field.

Trump was the guy and there are people saying, I just saw it in him. I just saw he was going to be a, you know, he's the chemotherapy that this country needs and maybe he'll kill some good cells, but we need some bad cells killed.

And I can understand that line of thinking a little better now, but that's not me, but I understand it. Uh, do you think those people who were for Trump from the beginning, so they're hardcore Trump supporters, they're out there putting their signs up, they're waving the flag, everything else, you know, are, is that their motive that you're, they're just like, finally someone who do the hating for me.

This is what I hear from those people. When I talk to them, they'll say, man, if he could just delete his Twitter or they'll say, man, if he just had a filter over his Twitter or man, I don't like everything he says, but I really like what he's doing.

That's what I hear. So there's a whole hunk of people and I don't know who David French is talking to. Maybe there are some people that say, yeah, you know what? I was just wanting someone to do the hating for me.

Maybe. I don't know who those people are though. And I'm kind of offended that he just carelessly throws that out there. Um, here's, here's also what he does. And this is a tactic to guilt you by the way, you know, to get you, you know, don't support Trump.

You know why? Because you're just hiring someone to do hate for you. You're just, it's a repressive hate in you. No, it's not. Here's, um, here's what he says. He goes, here's the end result. Millions of Christians have not just decided to hire a hater to defend them from haters and to hire a liar to defend them from liars.

They actively ignore, rationalize, minimize or deny Trump sins. They do this in part because they can't bring themselves to face the truth about Trump and in part because they know it is difficult to build and sustain a political movement if you're constantly or even frequently criticizing the misconduct of its leader.

There's some truth in that. Uh, you, you don't, you know, if you're constantly opposing what Trump says or does, then yeah, you, you know, you're not really helping him out. And, and there's some truth to that, but there's also, there's a lot of people, and this is what I see more, um, a lot of people who support Trump and they're not publicly as outraged over what Trump says or does and they don't talk about it as much is because it's kind of like this, Trump got elected, right?

And I think there's some, some people like, even like myself are like, Oh man, this is going to be interesting. Trump's going to be so obnoxious and he's going to say so many things that we disagree with.

He's going to say, you know, evil things. And then the Democrats are kind of like, hold my beer. Like they're 10 times worse. And the alternatives to Trump are a thousand times worse than Trump, um, in policy in just everything.

And so, um, so I think, you know, part of it is that it's like, you know, if there's a tornado outside, you're not going to constantly be raging, uh, you know, against, you know, the, the washing machine leaking, right?

If the washing machine is leaking and you know, it's going to cause your floor to rot out over time. Yeah, that's a problem. You're going to want to address that. But if there's a tornado outside, you're probably going to be more concerned about the tornado and talking about the tornado and warning about the tornado a lot more.

If David French can't see that the Democrats are a tornado and Trump is maybe like a washing machine that's leaking, that might rot out your floor, then I don't understand where his moral compass is coming from.

Is he watching what the other side's doing and, and holding up this expectation that you better be talking about that leaking, you know, washing machine. It's like, dude, when there's a tornado, no. And so I think that's where a lot of Trump supporters are coming from and they're, it's not wrong for them to do that, uh, to, to have that priority.

So here's the last thing I pulled from his article. He says, hate has no place in pro-life America. Yeah. You know, you hear that so many times hate has no place here. Um, number one, remember the verses I showed you hate does anywhere there's love, there's going to be hatred for the things that oppose the love, right?

There's gotta be, you can't, you can't have love without hatred of some kind. Um, you know, if you, if you love someone and there's someone trying to kill them or hurt them in some way, um, even if you don't hate the person, you know, you're going to hate what they're trying to do.

There's gotta be a hatred somewhere along the line if you love someone. So he says, hate has no place in pro-life America, none and embracing or defending hate, even hatred of the movement's most vigorous opponents for the sake of life contradicts the spirit of the movement and stands to do more harm than good to the political cause that so many Christians value the most.