Dead Men Walking One Year Anniversary: Doug Willson, Dr. Michael Brown, Steven Bancarz, Jeff Durbin

Hey, what's up, Jason? Man, dude, just grooving every time that thing plays, man. I love it. I know I love it, too.

I'm glad we have a guitar player on the show.

I'm putting you to good use, bro. Man, you're gonna have to get some keys on here someday, man. Hey, we'll do it soon enough. It'll be awesome. I just love your guitar playing.

Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking, and this is a special episode. Yeah. This is a fun one. Yeah.

I can't wait to hear all these clips from the year in review.

Sorry, I didn't make a drop for that. But yeah, this is our one-year anniversary show. Yeah, man. So wild. Yeah, we've our first release was I think April 11th. So technically we're a little over a year.

Yeah, and then it got re-released on April 29th. There was kind of a two-week weird thing there where I put it out and then pulled it back and then put it back out. So right around here. We'll just say this is, today is our one year, and I can't believe that.

I mean, it feels like a year has like crept by, but also flown by. You know what I mean? When you look back at it.

I just can't believe how much content we've been able to kind of put out, you know? I don't know. Or, well, maybe it's been more guests that have had. Yeah, guests.

The fact that in that process, you've sold a house, moved farther away. We've had COVID going on. And I just want to say, and for the listeners too sake, I appreciate you being so dedicated to this. This was something where, you know, you have to come over here each week.

We not only put out stuff once a week for full episodes, then we have once a week for our shorts that come out every Saturday. For the last five weeks, we've been doing once a week for Clubhouse, where people jump on.

I know we just started the once a month spit out the bones. I mean, the fact that you've been so committed to this as well. It's like, it blows my mind, first of all. Dude, we're both, we're both sacrificing it for sure.

All for the glory of God, though. Yeah, man. We're, yeah, this has been a blast. I never, ever would have thought that I would be on a podcast as I was listening back to some of our first episodes. I'm just like, I'm whispering in the mic.

I'm very, very shy and very, you know, worried about, you know, and I still, I'll be totally honest. I still get worried about what I'm about to say on the, you know, because I always want it to be thoughtful, thought provoking and about the Lord and glorifying, edifying Him, you know.

Yeah, we've both said some stuff on here where after the episode, because we pre-record most of them, I think we have pre-recorded almost all of them. There's been some things I've said, and I just went, you know, I don't know if that's the greatest thing that people need to hear.

It didn't come out the way I wanted it to, whether it be a joke or something I said, and I think that's wise. That's discerning, right? It's not like we're holding back certain things because we believe them and, oh, we don't want people to hear them, but, you know, when you talk a lot.

Yeah. I mean, we've got over 500 hours of content out there now. That's crazy. We're approaching 750 ,000 downloads.

I'm not sure I've talked of 500 hours of my life.

Well, you have now, this year you have. You know, this is going to be episode 63, regular episode. We have 28 shorts. We have, you know, so we've got over a hundred different episodes out within a year.

We've been busy. Yeah, yeah, man. And God has blessed it. He's allowed us to both be in professions where we can set aside time to do this. I know we both have families and businesses we run and commitments, but all glory to God.

Oh, yeah, man. So this is our one-year anniversary show. And what we wanted to do is basically go back. We pulled 10 clips and they're both about a minute or two long. They ranged, you know, in between that.

And we just wanted to, you know, go back and kind of have you guys listen to some of the things that people said on here that Jason and I either really liked or resonated with us. Or maybe it was a funny moment that we really appreciated and laughed at.

And we each pulled about five clips each and neither one of us pulled the same clips, which was awesome, which means we like different parts of the show.

You know, it's funny when you told me that you pulled a Doug Wilson quote, I was like, OK, all right, I'm not going to have to give four Doug Wilson quotes because I probably would have done that with his 10 minute interview.

Like he said something cool here, here, here and here.

Right. So what we're going to do, guys, on this show is we will play the clip. Maybe we'll line it up for you a little bit, play the clip, let you listen to it, and then maybe we'll comment on it. And we'll just run through our top 10 in no particular order, but 10 that we just liked.

And like I said, they resonated with us. So let's start off with the first clip. This is episode 53. And all these you guys can find on the website at www .dmwpodcast .com or heck, just type in dead men walking podcast and Google.

We're going to come up in Apple and Spotify and Alexa and Pandora and all those places where you get your podcasts. You can find us anywhere or you can go to our YouTube channel, type in dead men walking podcast.

We're there as well. You can see every one of these episodes in video as well, if that's kind of your flavor. But this was episode 53 with Doreen Virtue. And she just was explaining a little bit about how she got saved.

Now, as you know, Jason, Doreen Virtue was just like, she was it in the new age world. I mean, bestselling author, millions of dollars of revenue into the crystals and the new age, into yoga. I mean, she was teaching other people how to be new age.

And then the Lord radically saved her.

She was channeling. Well, she thought there were angels that were giving her information for her books. Obviously demons. But yeah, she was very, very into the new age. And praise God, she came out of it and she went into reformed teaching.

And yeah, I mean, she has just really blessed so many lives. I mean, her heart, I mean, you hear it. You hear it in that episode. And I loved, I love talking to her. I really, aunt or something. Right.

Just come over and visit. All right, guys. So this is from episode 53, Doreen Virtue.

You know, that's because I always thought I was a Christian, but I had this, I thought that all paths led to God. You know, I had the whole universalism belief. And so I would listen to a sermon from a Buddhist monk and then a Hindu and then a Christian.

And I would just say, oh, you know, they're all saying the same thing to the same God. I didn't know because I, again, I hadn't studied the Bible. So I would listen to Christian radio all the time when Chuck Smith was alive.

I was listening to Calvary Chapel radio daily. I would call in, you know, so that's why I can see when I look back the Lord in my life all those years sharing the gospel with me. But as Paul talks about in his letters, you're blind.

You're spiritually blind to the gospel. It's foolishness to those who are perishing. And that was me. I didn't think that Jesus really died on the cross. I didn't even know who Jesus was in the new age.

They say he's a mortal man, a created being who was a really good role model for us all. And that he, after he died, he's in the sky. They call him an ascended master and he's helping us from the sky.

You know, so it's really a very immature view of Jesus. And I always thought he was my spirit guide, you know, my wish granter. So I was very word of faith. When I look at the new apostolic reformation churches, NAR, I can see myself in those false prophets.

Wow. Yeah. And then she got into that episode a little bit talking about like NAR and the new apostolic reformation and Bethel and kind of how she sees, you know, as someone who was in the new age, that being influenced by that.

Right. And, you know, I really hear her whenever she does speak on those, that subject. I hear her really weeping for that crowd and really, you know, having a heart for them. And, you know, that's one big thing about Doreen.

If you guys get a chance, please do go check out some of her material on her website. And on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. Yeah. She's all over, but an amazing woman of God.

Yeah. It doesn't come from a place of condensation. It really comes from a place of, yeah, you know, of wanting to really set someone in truth. All right. So the next one we have, and that was episode 53.

You guys can check that out. The next one we have, we've had on twice, Mr. Glenn Sunshine. Oh, man. Yeah. Probably one of my favorite guys to talk to because he's so meek. Yeah. He's just reserved, but the guy is just so darn smart.

Yeah. And he has kind of a very professor, you know, theology, theological type answer to everything. Yeah. But he doesn't get too heady. You know what I mean? You can understand what he's saying. Right.

And he seems to have an answer, you know, off the top of his head. What about this?

Yeah, yeah. I had first saw Glenn Sunshine in, by what standard, that movie that came out, I think it was last year, two years ago. A couple of years ago. Yeah. And then we saw him. His booth was right next to ours at Fight Lab Feast.

Right. Yeah, in October. Yeah. We were just like, hey, would you mind getting on our podcast? And he was like, yeah, sure. I'll come over. And, you know, he comes over and I'm pretty sure Greg and I were just kind of sitting there just like, you know, this guy is so smart.

I'm not sure what we should ask him next, you know, but that was totally your idea, too. I didn't even know who Glenn Sunshine was. Oh, and you were like, dude, we got to have him on him to come on. Super.

And he jumped on. This is from the second time he appeared just a few weeks ago, actually, episode 60. And he's talking a little bit about separation of church and state. So here's Glenn Sunshine from episode 60.

First of all, the answer, let's deal with the thing. You don't have the right to bring your religious faith in. You don't have the right to impose your religion. There's a separation of church and state.

You can't bring your religion into the public square. OK, so let me ask this question, then, if I am not allowed to advocate for my values, why are you allowed to advocate for yours? Mm hmm. Because if, in fact, if, in fact, we're talking about no, you know, no special privilege given to religion, but also given the way the First Amendment is written, you can't deprive people, religious people of their rights either.

Why is it that only secular people get the right to advocate for their viewpoint? Religious people cannot. That's nonsense. Well, because not by any standard.

Yeah. Non-religion is a viewpoint is a religion in itself.

Yeah, absolutely. So I think that just by the terms of their question, they're basically saying freedom of religion means we can do and advocate and fight for whatever we want. And you have to shut up.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's so good. That was such a great point that he made.

Yeah. He's just going, look at what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Like, why do you get to advocate for your religion by not advocating for someone else's?

I mean, not to bring up politics. I mean, we're going to have to, but there's just a certain party right now that has a double standard that we are seeing. And no, not either side. Both sides are at fault here.

I'm not trying to down one or other party, but it seems like at the moment, there's more from one side. Sure. But anyway, yeah, I just find that clip just, I mean, just blows my mind. Yeah.

I've listed that a few times now. Yeah. And you guys can see him on the newest season of ManRapid with Doug Wilson. Yeah. He's all over the internet. You know, you can just Google Glenn Sunshine with two N's, G-L-E-N-N.

And then go listen to him on Pugcast, right?

Pugcast, yeah. Theology Pugcast with C .R. Wiley and...

Yes, we recommend a lot of other podcasts here. Yes, we do. Yes, absolutely. We're not the only ones in town. No. If we think you can get some value out of it, go listen to it. I listen to it a lot. Yeah.

And it's just really good stuff. And that was episode 60 with Glenn Sunshine, if you guys want to go back and listen to that in our catalog. So the next one, moving right along. Episode 24 of our Dead Men Walking Shorts.

So this was something, the shorts, we can talk about that for a minute too. We started these about halfway through our one year, I think. I think, I can't remember when our first one... Well, 30 weeks ago, so it's been a while.

Was it mid-January or was it... Was it this year? Yeah. It might've been December, actually. Okay. Well, we don't know. We don't know our own podcast, either way. I think we're only about 25 or 30 and deep on these once a week.

These are five minutes or less. We take a theological subject or a doctrinal issue or a definition that's in the Christian kind of culture. And we just chat about it for a little bit, maybe try to explain it, expand on it a little bit, but keep it to five minutes just so it's quick.

You know, you can listen to it very quickly, get an idea of an idea. That's Saturdays, right? That's released every Saturday. And at first I thought, I don't know if someone would go for a five minute podcast.

Man, there are like most popular ones. Yeah. And I've had multiple people go, I love those five minute. Right. You know, just a few weeks ago in our clubhouse, we had a listener come in. I love those little five minute things you do.

I just went, wow. So they're really ministering to people. This one is, what do we say? It's from the one titled Exegesis, and it's talking about pulling out scripture and not reading ourselves into scripture.

So this is from episode 24 of our Dead Men Walking Shorts. Take a listen. Exegesis is one is really easy to fall into because we do want to read into the text and make it personally relatable. The challenge is once you read something in context, like we said, historical context and biblical context and all those things is then to relate it within the context of that.

Paul talking to Jews, Paul talking to Gentiles. Well, if Paul's talking to Gentiles, we might be as Gentiles, right? As non-Jews, be able to relate to that more easy. But with Paul talking to Jews, there's also something to learn there.

There's a principle there. We just can't insert ourselves into that incorrectly just because it's easier to do so. We have to take that extra step of biblical study and say, nope, we have to rightly read it, rightly interpret it with exegesis instead of eisegesis and inserting ourselves into it and making it easy.

And unfortunately, a lot of your popular sermons are eisegesis right now in the evangelical church that says, oh man, you know, the TED talk, right? A few weeks ago, we had Glenn Sunshine on and he was talking about how a church is a concert, a TED talk, and eisegesis lends itself to that very easily because it's all about the listener and not about God.

And I hate to break it to you, or maybe I don't hate to, but the Bible is about Christ. Right. That's what the entire Bible is about. Wait a second. I like your, you had to leave in the wait a second.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So those, like I said, those have been really popular. If you guys are new listeners, make sure you check out the little five minute shorts that are released every Saturday.

And if you have suggestions, send them in to us and we'll try to cover them for you. Always send them in. Yeah. So next on the list too is episode 24 from our full length episodes that release every Wednesday.

And this was the first time we had the CrossPolitik guys on, right? And you love some CrossPolitik, right? Love CrossPolitik. Yes, sir. Yeah, man, those dudes are awesome. And we're going to see them here next week.

We're flying out to the Fight, Laugh, Feast conference to live podcast there. We're going to bring you guys all kinds of great content from that. So make sure you're sticking around. We might do some live video stuff like we did last time and record some episodes there.

But this one was one of those things where we talk about serious issues, but we still like to have fun. Yeah. Right. And I don't even think when we recorded this episode, we had no, because they came on before we went down to Nashville, right?

Yeah. You had gotten a hold of Gabe, I want to say. And then, yeah, you guys kind of talked and he was like, yeah, we'll come on your podcast. We'll come on and talk about it.

Sweet. Okay. So we've been listening to CrossPolitik for a while. Jason knew about them even more than I did, because I've said it multiple times. Jason was like, we got to get down there and go do this.

And I was like, sure. Okay. Just along for the ride. And then it was one of the best three days of my life. I really enjoyed it. And this is Chocolate Knox talking about mass and the effectiveness of mass.

And I wanted to include this because he comes up with a kind of unique medical comparison. So take a listen. Can I just, let me just, okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Jump in, jump in. Thank you. This is driving me. I am so sick of the mass that this is driving me. So let me try and put it this way for people. Okay. This is going to be a little crass, but I want you to think about this for a second.

Think about a fart.

Okay. It gets through man.

A fart is a size of a beach ball. Okay. And I want to think about a virus as a grain of sand. Okay. Right. When you have on your pants, you have on the same type of protecting. Okay. Same kind of protection.

You have your pants, there's a cloth, and then you have another garment before that. Okay. When you fart people, if you can smell it, the beach ball is getting through. You know, what's great.

Mine. Don't stink. He's making a. So we're good. He's actually making a sound medical argument.

That's exactly right. 60 of the time, it works every time. Oh, man.

Do we have fun with those guys or what? That was so much fun. You just hear Pastor Toby just cracking up here.

I cannot believe we're talking about farts, beach balls, and mass.

It was funny that he brought that up though, because I had put a post on Facebook back in March or April, whenever the COVID lockdown was first starting. And there was an actual medical, I don't know, report that came out.

And yeah, they actually brought that up. Really? Yeah. So when he started talking about it, I was just like, did he read the same one that I did? Because I thought it was a joke, but I mean, it's true though.

Gosh.

But that whole episode was good. Go back and listen to that. That's episode 24 in the catalog. So the next one we have, which we're both, Jason and I both big fans of is Doug Wilson. Oh, yeah. And we got to sit down and talk to him down at the Fight Left Feast conference.

He jumped on and he talked a little bit about what he was speaking on at that conference, which was the principles of war versus the methods of war. And I just thought it was so interesting that we had to clip it.

And we wanted you guys to listen to it again. So here, take a listen. Doug Wilson, episode 29. Can you give us a little preview of maybe one of the principles?

Yeah. So let me give you the big takeaway that I would like, I think can't be repeated too often because this is what I'd like everybody to come away with. Principles are constant and timeless. Methods change all the time.

So the principles of war are the same whether you're fighting with rocks or with bows and arrows or with lances or with cannons or with nuclear warheads. Sure. Those are all methods. Those are all methods, weapons and tactics.

So the principles of war applied in the Vietnam War and the Korean War and in the warfare Attila the Hun, you know, it doesn't matter where. But what happens is, especially when a country is technologically advanced, they start trusting in their technology or their weapons instead of the principles.

Okay. So. Makes sense. I'm tracking so far. So in Vietnam, one of the reasons why the Viet Cong were able to fight us to a standstill, even though they were a third world backwater country, and we were a first rate superpower, is they obeyed the principles of war and we didn't.

Ah, okay. Okay. So what happens is neglect of these principles neutralizes the technological or weaponry advantage. Kind of puts you on the same playing field. Yeah. It equalizes everything. Equalizes, yeah.

And this is why Christians, Christians need to think in terms of principles, not methods. Wow.

Yeah. That's so good. That whole, his whole speech or sermon or teaching, what everyone talked about was so good. It was a great, yeah. It's what really separates, like I've been thinking things like that for 10 years, but he can articulate those things so well.

That's what makes a great teacher. Yeah. You know, like I understood. Yeah. Principles are different than methods. And I'm always talking about being principled, but the way he does it, even in his books and stuff too, it just, you just go, yeah, that's exactly analogies and the way he explains it.

Right. It kind of opens up your mind a little bit to go, yeah, Christians should be principally based and not method based because methods change. Principles don't. God doesn't change. Right. That's the godly way to advance the kingdom.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I mean, you know, the Great Commission, he takes seriously. We take seriously. And that's why we always talk about it on this podcast. But, but yeah, no, Doug Wilson is awesome. And again, we're going to say it again, but you guys really should get the Canon Press app.

Yeah. We're big promoters of that. Yeah, man. A lot of his material is on there and he covers everything from the family to. Government culture. Yeah. Government culture. Everything. I mean, he, he, he digs, he digs deep.

And he, you know, and it makes sense. It's biblical. It makes sense. And yeah, I think you really, really, really like it.

Awesome. Well, this next one that we wanted you to hear, this is another one where Jason was like, we got to get this guy on and he went out and got him. And I had not really followed this gentleman that closely.

I'd heard the name, hadn't watched any of the videos. And then once he was coming on the podcast, I started doing that like crash course research, you know, cause you don't want to, you don't want to say something or ask a question that, you know, he does, he's already been asked or something like that.

Or doesn't want to hear it. So I started getting into him and wow, what a blessing this guy was when he came on. What a brother in the Lord. We don't exactly align theologically with every single thing, but then again, there's been guests on here that we don't, right.

Maybe they're secondary issues. You don't have to, but Jason went out and got him. It was Steven Bancars from episode number 48. So if you want to listen to it, go back. It's number 48. He was on for almost two hours.

Yeah. We clipped it down to like an hour and a half. I think it was, he just was so generous with his time. And we got into all kinds of stuff. We did, man.

We went a little wild on that episode, but it was great.

Reform stuff, yoga poses, UFOs, aliens, government takeovers, like all this stuff, because he was another guy, young kid in the new age, making $50 ,000 a month on his website, advising other people in the new age.

Once again, the Lord steps in, saves him, and he basically says to all his followers and all his website traffic, Hey guys, I believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus. I'm serving Christ. And they were like, what?

And a lot of them stuck around and he said a lot of them got saved because of the witness. But in this episode, this one was kind of fun because he started talking about UFOs, right? We're like, well, if we got a guy that's in the former new age, he talks a lot about the spiritual world, all that stuff.

We wanted to hear his take on it. And we clipped it down to like two minutes. So definitely go check out the full episode because it's well worth the hour and a half. And he actually does hold the record right now for most downloads out of any of our episodes, more than anyone else.

He just topped 7 ,000 listens on that. And I think it's because too, he's big online. His YouTube channel has millions of people. He's always posting stuff and it's really good. Here's a short clip of Stephen Bancar's episode 48 talking about UFOs.

So I think that a lot of what we're seeing in the UFO type community, in the alien research that's coming out, there's different buckets we can put these things into. There's two primary buckets that people will often lump alien encounters and phenomenon into.

They aren't mutually exclusive, but one's called the interdimensional hypothesis. The other is called the extraterrestrial hypothesis. So the interdimensional hypothesis is that we're dealing with spiritual beings.

We're dealing with spirit beings who live on a higher dimension, a higher plane, who are trying to make contact with the physical world. And it looks as though it's a UFO in the sky when really it's another being from a higher dimension trying to manifest himself physically into three dimensions when he lives on a fourth plane.

So it's like, here's an analogy. So here, this piece of paper, this is a flat plane. Okay, you guys will probably like this. It's true as we confess. Hey, there we go. Yeah, I don't confess several of these truths.

I'm not referring to that, Steve. We'll get rid of him.

We're done. Oh, man. So I had to clip that down right there because that goes until like a 20 minute explanation. Yeah. And I just wanted to give a little taste of that. So for those of you listening right now, like, hey, we didn't even get into all the UFO stuff.

Well, go listen to that episode. It's episode number 48. It's really good. He gives like, because that's a, that's actually go look at that one on YouTube because he gives a visual aid to that explanation, which was kind of fun.

But yeah, Jason, I'm so glad you got him on there. We're going to have to have him on again.

Man, I would love to have him back on.

Yeah. Because we like, really, it felt like we just barely touched on stuff and 90 minutes flew by.

It was another Glenn Sunshine, Doug Wilson. Let's get, I mean, I'm sure we could have every guest back on and just have another great episode. But yeah, the short 30 to 40 minutes with some people, it's just like, man, it flies by because it's so much fun.

It's so informational. Absolutely. We're learning too at the same time. So yeah, it's awesome.

But that was a good one. So he gets into UFOs there a little bit and I would definitely check that out. Episode 48. So the next one is one that I have to admit I picked because I love dad jokes. And I love when Jason tells dad jokes on the podcast.

This was one where, geez, I think we were just about six months in or so, maybe. Maybe a little, it was still summertime out, I think, when Rick came over. So Rick's a worship leader. Jason has played worship, been in a band, obviously, as you know.

I've led here and there and played worship for, geez, the last 15 years. So it was kind of this fun little gang of three musicians talking about worship music and things like that. This is from episode number 25.

This is a little clip where I loved it because it was two musicians, two believers, and Jason tried to stump him with a dad joke and Rick knew right where he was going. So listen to this with Rick Flood from episode 25.

So we had a listener, shout out to Taylor. She reached out to me on Instagram and she said, hey, would you guys like just talk about media influence in music, meaning worship music, secular music, and kind of what worship and praise music is.

And I've led worship before. I know you have, Jason. I played guitar, yes. You played guitar and bass. And we've got Rick here who is a worship leader and plays music. And I went, man, this would be a good subject for us three to just sit around and talk about.

I also love hanging out with musicians. It's kind of like that little club you're in. You hear stand-up comics talking about being in their stand-up comic club. Well, with musicians, it's kind of the same way.

There's certain jokes and certain things and we just have a...

Do you guys know what my favorite chord is? Oh, let me... Is it Gsus?

Yes, it is. We like dad jokes around here, bro.

Did you two just become best friends? Yes, we did. We should have shared the love season. We should have gone for it. Do you like avocados? It's guacamole. That's right. It was funny. A few episodes ago, I said something like, you know, keyboardists never get any respect.

And he just flatly goes, yeah, as they should. They should get in. And we lost it. It was like 10 minutes of laughing because it's so true. Oh, man, I had to include that because we have fun on this podcast.

That's so much fun. I mean, like, really, dude, it's like we get into so much serious conversation on here. We really do. But at the same time, like, we're just a couple of goofballs just trying to have a good time as well.

So, you know, whenever we can break the tension at times, it's like, yeah, let's just throw this out there and see what happens, you know?

Yeah. And that was back before we had the studio we have now to where we had some, like, leather couches. And that reference that Rick's making to share the love seat is it was basically like a love seat and like a chair.

And I would always take the chair and it was me and Jason. We'd take the love seat. But then when we'd have a guest in, it was like really tight on that love seat to where you start pulling in another chair.

And that was the joke there. We actually took the love seat. We're best friends now. But that was episode 25. So that was in the first half of our year with Pastor Rick Flood. So go check that out if you guys want to listen to just a fun episode of us talking about music, worship music and all the like.

All right. So the next one we have is this is the first time we went back to the same episode. So we're going back to episode number 24 with CrossPolitik, but I had to include it because I just really loved what Pastor TJ said here.

He was talking about mass and religion, and he just said something that was so potent, and I think it still holds true. I don't even really want to explain it too much. I just want you guys to listen.

So here's TJ from our CrossPolitik episode, episode number 24.

That there is no part of life that's not religious. That's right. And so it's just another way of getting at the same thing. And you said everything's being politicized, which is true. But actually, what we're finding is that this politicization is actually highly religious.

And so one of my deep concerns about the masking thing is that I probably some legitimate use of medical masks in some context. Bacteria. For some things. Right. Primarily for bacteria and so on. And science-based, great.

Use that and so on. But what's happened is it's actually become a symbol for solidarity with the state. You see people going into these stores, and it's almost like they're crossing themselves and dipping their finger in holy water.

When they put the covering on their face to go in to get the things and do the holy thing, and the kind of offense that they have if you don't do it, it's like you've committed blasphemy. You've sinned against this religion of solidarity.

And then add to that, meanwhile, Black Lives Matter is having their worship services. And burning down buildings and looting targets. And now MLB and NFL and NBA start their seasons up. And what are they doing?

They're kneeling down in a pseudo liturgical religious posture, holding some stupid black fabric across the field, which is, again, it's like their own rosary. And they're saying their Hail Marys. They've got the Hail Marys on the backs of their jerseys.

But what happens is that when you try to drive out religion, try to drive out Jesus, it's not like there's actually, you don't leave a vacuum. There's not something left empty. The gods rush in. The demons rush in.