May 31, 2022 Show with E. Calvin Beisner on “An Unlikely Source Throws Cold Water on Climate Change Catastrophism”

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Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this last day of May May 31st 2022 which is a Tuesday and I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest Dr. E Calvin Beisner. He is founder and national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation and we're going to be addressing an unlikely source throws cold water on climate change Catastrophism and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Cal Beisner.

Well, thank you, which is mine. Yeah, and I find that a great honor and I have also.

Mutually had high regards for you for many years going all the way back to the 1980s as a young Christian watching the John Ankerberg show and I think that was my yeah, that was my first exposure to you and have admired you ever since.

For And became one of the most pop somebody who united Pentecostal Church on John Ankerberg's show and I Want you to know that the Lord used that to deliver me out of. Wow, that is just I think the Lord has really used that show and of course, it's not all Me.

Walter Martin was by far in a way that the senior partner there in doing that and He was a great great guy.

Amen, and by the way, just because my memory is is not quite clear on that. But was Robert Sabin one of the United Pentecostal the man. Yes, because the years after that I also orchestrated a Debate with Robert Sabin and dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries on the Trinity, right?

Yeah, and it was interesting how mr. Sabin Used the vast majority of his time not to defend the Trinity biblically or theologically but to memorialize Miguel Cervito and to pull at the heartstrings of the listeners in the audience.

The observers that. Such a horrible cruel thing that Calvinist did to this anti-trinitarian was interesting.

Yeah, well if the fact that if the fact that somebody's been martyred is proof that what he taught is true. Well, there have been a whole lot more. That's just not the way to argue you need to. You need to bring your case out of the scriptures themselves and.

That's what I did in my book. God in three persons that came out from Tyndale house back in at night is still in print. And reprint from what well tell our listeners who did not hear you on the previous.

Interviews that you've had on this broadcast.

Tell them about to the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation the people who are trying to save the planet.

What a great slogan. I Think that's a new because I don't recall hearing that the last time.

No, I don't think I don't think I used that the last time we talked. But actually my wife came. Oh probably much until so much of the environmentalist movement is Rooted in and it's an economics its policies tend not to do a lot of harm to our economies and force need Productive economies to provide them food clothing shelter live well on this planet where frankly nature is not a very friendly place.

I mean imagine for a minute that You're Dumped in the Brazilian rainforest or the Sahara Desert or the Arctic? Area or frankly anywhere else in the world With no clothing rules whatsoever and no surrounding economy.

No other people around with an advanced economy and imagine what would be like to try to survive planes. Why? From You know thousands of years ago until just about two hundred years ago Average life and life expectancy was about 27 or 28 years.

It's because nature is is not a very nurturing place. It's a very dangerous place though. It has tremendous potential if we human beings use our God-given mandate to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and Subdue it and have dominion over it.

We can transform it. It has great potential for transformation under human care. And so that's what we do. The Cornwall Alliance is a network of just under 70 different Evangelical Christian scholars about a third of them are natural scientists including by the way in terms of today's interview topic Climate change we have some of the world's top climate scientists among our scholars about a third are economists and policy wonks and then about a third or theologians philosophers ethicists and ministry leaders and We work together to educate the public and policymakers on biblical earth stewardship economic development for the poor around the world and the gospel of Jesus Christ together with the biblical worldview theology and ethics that come with it and We do all of this to encourage people to be able to To fulfill the two great commandments to love God with all our heart soul mind and strength and to love our neighbors as ourselves.

So that's kind of the gist of it. We have a website Cornwall Alliance dot o-r-g where people can read a whole lot of you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of articles and Number of major papers that we've published.

We also have a podcast called created to rain created to rain and That's on Spotify and various other podcast platforms. Any any podcast management app that you use can lead you to that? Do distinguish it from an earlier program once called created to rain.

There were three episodes back in 2019. But that has not gone on ours Is clearly seen by our cover art the Holy Spirit descending as a dove on Adam and Eve. So created to rain is our podcast in it. Dr. David Lee Gates Who is a retired climatologist just retired from the University of Delaware and I?

Talk about the variety of different things related to biblical earth stewardship and so on. We also have a Facebook page Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation and the YouTube channel Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation where people can see many videos that we've produced through the years and Just learn a whole lot.

And that website once again is Cornwall Alliance. That's C or n w a l l Alliance org Cornwall Alliance org and God willing. I will be repeating that later on in the program basically. Many who are involved in a left-wing approach to saving the planet Really are worshiping nature even though most of them the vast majority would never claim that or spell it out in right way but they are putting the needs of trees and animals and fish and birds Far above the needs of their fellow humans and ironically the left considers itself champions of Caring for the poor and Wanting the poor to be among our highest priorities.

And yet they are really destroying the livelihoods of Many of these poor folks throughout the world through their so-called efforts. Am I not right?

You are a framework. So worldviews by which most of the environmental movement Fundamental text we make which is possible Anything that we do that change are far from being a pretty robust and one of my mentors the light dr Julia and Simon who economics and business but also one of the world's leading Scholars on demography on demography demography being the study of population and Julian Simon calculated that Hunting and gathering the the way people did before even the rudiments of agriculture got going.

Hunting and gathering could sustain at most about one or two people per square mile in the very best and Would would do that in a manner that typically they would die by the time they reached age say 25 to 30.

So nature is not a delicate nurturing place. It's a it's a very Powerful so we are called so that. We we actually since we're made in his image our dominion over nature Should reflect God's own Thought for that first is in the first 25 verses of Genesis 1 God starts with nothing and he gets everything right in the beginning.

God created the heavens and the earth Starts with nothing. He gets everything he brings light out of darkness light, of course in Scripture We quickly begin to see who represents truth and understanding and knowledge and so on.

And then he brings Order out of chaos and greater order out of lesser order. He brings life out of non-life and great variety of life and he tells each Kind of life to multiply and fill its own. So this is kind of the pattern that we get from God himself.

So our dominion should reflect it. So we at the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation kind of summarize it this way a godly dominion Looks like men and women made in God's image working together in love fruitfulness and the safety of the earth for the glory of God and that we're addressing those two great commandments to love God until love neighbor and.

What this means is that instead of trying to minimize our impact on nature? It's not that we try to maximize it. It is instead that we try to optimize it. We try to do it and we try to affect nature in ways that make it more and more conducive to human thriving because human thriving really is.

Well, we are discussing today. The unlikely source or an unlikely source throws cold water on climate change. Catastrophism now before we even get to revealing that unlikely source. If you could summarize a definition of What you would view as? being climate change.

Catastrophism. Oh, well, it's what you see in the mainstream media and from most politicians pretty much every it is the notion. That it's the fossil fuels for energy. Your weather events like hurricanes drought floods Tornadoes things of that sort something that our president president Biden.

Called it not long ago, of course, right right behind right behind white supremacy.

Right. You have four years ago Astrophysm doesn't always go that far. But the whole notion Overwhelmingly negative that it's going to bring about far more and in contrast with that I embrace what I call Understanding the human activity including burning fossil fuel does indeed make the lower atmosphere Warmer than it otherwise would be.

This is not catastrophic the amount of warming is Relatively moderate on probably outweigh the risks of it. But meanwhile the benefits of all the energy we get from using fossil fuels far outweigh the climate change.

And one way this is actually to read you people do actually read the Scientific reports that come out from the United Nations Internet pardon me intergovernmental panel on climate change. About every five or six years.

They said I'll send out a new about the vast majority of people never read those Assessments the vast majority of Policymakers never read them. They might read but the summary for policymakers typically doesn't really very well represent.

What's in the scientific reports if you actually read the scientific reports what they tell you is? That yeah, global average temperature is risen by probably about a degree maybe 1 .2 degrees Celsius by the time we finished doubling the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from what it was Expect about another degree to maybe a degree and a half.

Here's a very important thing. These reports also tell us that because of the physics of how greenhouse gas it happens Primarily toward the poles the north and south poles of the globe it happens primarily in the winter.

And it happens primarily at night. What that means is that the increase in global average temperature? Comes not from an increase in high temperatures in the summer in the daytime and You know in the lower latitudes around the equator and so on it happens because of an increase in Toward the poles in the winter at night now.

Heat heat waves Kills some peeps as many people per day as new heat waves. So there's the result of this kind of warming is a wonderful reduction in cold snaps without a significant increase in heat waves and Frankly is a far greater risk than the climate if you have income.

Even equivalent to say the bottom 10 of Americans. You can thrive in any climate from the Arctic Circle to the Brazilian rainforest the if you're living on the equivalent of Say about a dollar a day or dollar fifty a day you can't thrive in the best tropical paradise to try to reduce our contribution to global warming by reducing our use of fossil fuels in order to reduce our emissions of co2 and fossil fuel energy.

They provide roughly 85 of all the energy used in the world right now and by comparison wind and solar After 50 some years of spending billions and billions of dollars subsidizing them wind and solar provide under 3 of all the energy that we use in the world and.

Yet we're being told that we need to substitute those for fossil fuels. Well, we're going to a bit of a realistic approach, right?

We're going to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for dr Cal Beisner. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com ch r is a r n z n a gmail .com as.

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Publicly identifying yourself as to what your position is on this subject might caused a rift in your marriage or something because Your spouse is a radically different view than you or something like that.

Perhaps you're even in a liberal or leftist church That has strong positions on the left-leaning side related to climate change. Well, whatever the case is that would compel you to remain anonymous we will grant that request.

But please if it's just a general question. Give us your first name at least your city and state in your country of residence. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Don't go away. We're gonna be right back with dr E Calvin Beisner of the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation right after these messages.

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We are addressing an unlikely source throws cold water on climate change Catastrophism and if you have a question send it to Chris Arnzen a gmail .com. Give us your first name at least city and state and country a residence.

Before we go in to the unlikely source that through the cold water. Isn't it interesting? Dr. Beisner that the left Gradually changes its rhetoric and phraseology that to be innocuous sounding and therefore if you disagree with their Battle cry or slogan you sound like a moron they that like for instance, they will say Cal Beisner doesn't believe in climate change.

Or if you're opposed to the murder of unborn children in the womb They will say Cal Beisner doesn't believe in Protecting women's health care rights, you know things like that. Isn't that interesting how they they can never stand on what they actually believe they have to mask the agenda with a flowery and innocuous statement that everyone who has any decency within their heart would agree with just on the very Basis of the sound of the of the phraseology.

Yeah, that's what you're describing is basically the use of straw man. You erect off the winner and I know of scientists who published Against climate katana not a single is around. How much what are what would be the to reduce our influence on climate?

You have scientists all over the map the vast majority even of scientists who Who are contributors to the intergovernmental? panel on climate change for the UN. Would not fall in the story that I would describe as catastrophists to describe climate change threat to humanity.

You can go through all of the IPCC's reports and never find the words existential threat. When when the IPCC released its latest Report back in UN Secretary General in the summary for policymakers that was put together about it.

That's that's good terrorism's opinion. It is certainly not the opinion of the science. Oh, yeah, I did climate changes. It's always changed. It always will change. Human activity contributes to that change in a variety of different ways.

Benefits probably outweigh the risks even of the climate change itself, but certainly the benefits of energy that we get from carbon dioxide from fossil fuels that release carbon dioxide in the way any risks related to climate in fact our use of fossil fuels Gives us the energy that we need to Master you can look for example at dream weather events.

Running back to the beginning of the 20th century and see what's happened with them over the last hundred and twenty years the answer is They've fallen by more than 98 very same time that human population Has roughly what that means is that we are better and better at protect climate catastrophes from Severe weather events and we are better at protecting ourselves from those things because of the abundant affordable Reliable energy that we get from fossil fuels.

So the people who want us to quit using fossil fuels in order to stop climate change or to limit climate change or anything like that. They are the real the deniers of human ability to protect ourselves.

From the troubles that come with a changing their policies just spelled doom for the poor around the world trapping the roughly three billion people in the world right now who do not have adequate supplies.

Especially in the form of a whopping them in poverty long-term will back into poverty who are just where about our neighbors. We should not be thinking that way.

Amen. And Now I want you all to imagine a drumroll in your minds. I don't have the sound effect immediately at my fingertips. But who is the unlikely source that through cold water on climate change?

Catastrophism in this magazine, which of course is published by the New York Times Company and if times is one of the And it's really Climate realists, it would be pretty painful for climate catastrophes in March.

Ease of every author of more than 40 books about energy is probably the world's leading expert on energy on where it comes from how we how we Access it how we refine it how we deliver it what it costs.

What are the engineering processes involved all of those different things? Smeal is just simply one of the greatest thinkers in this field ever. David Marchese contacted him and and got him to to agree to be interviewed and What Marchese was trying desperately to do was to get smeal to agree that climate change is a looming Catastrophe and we simply absolutely have to do something now.

Drastic to avert it by replacing fossil fuel energy with wind solar and other so-called renewable solar sources. But fast meal knows what he's talking about. So he won't take the bait to summarize here.

Such emissions kept in the cuts are Unrealistic. They don't even take into account the vast Scale of the energy needed to serve even the most basic needs of the world's roughly eight billion people. Food clothing shelter Transportation all the industry that makes those consider what's necessary to produce and distribute all that energy.

People have to realize them. People have to realize that this problem is unprecedented because of the numbers Billions of everything and the pressure of acting rapidly as we never acted before. This doesn't make it hopeless.

Of an introduction to the article and it's it's it's really a fun thing to read. Tries over and over again to get smeal to say something that will support his view and he just won't and.

Is there anything about smeal's background where a leftist could charge? He is Using a presupposition for a Right-leaning view that he may be secretly holding to.

He might be the faculty of Environment at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. His research interests go across energy environment food population economics historical and public policy studies.

He's he's been applying these research interests to his work for the environmental affairs of China as well. He was born back during World War two and Susan at the time and the German protect Republic.

He situation ever been conservative activists or anything of that sort it just simply knows the the physics the engineering the economics of energy production and supply and he knows that. What. Wow.

We have Robert in White Plains, New York who says. I find it fascinating that Occasionally those on the left will become the allies of those on the right on Certain areas such as we see feminists on the same side as the right many times when the issue of transgenderism is coming to the forefront in the media as We see male athletes defeating female athletes because the male athletes have been permitted into Competition with the females just because they claim in their minds that they believe to be female.

Well one of the areas where this has occurred if my memory served me Right is the founder of PETA. Did not the founder of PETA resign over these very matters involving climate change fraud.

I don't do not remember that. I've probably seen it much stuff in this field that that one has. I do remember once responded to those who Were uptight about abortion we shouldn't be aborting human beings like this being alarmed by the fact that back America.

Her response was you know, but every year we kill 10. Oh Ingrid that was Ingrid. Reduced human beings to the same level as animals particularly Gorman chicken. On human well-being. Well, the priority for the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation is on human well-being and we recognize that abundant affordable reliable energy, especially in terms of vast scales is Indispensable the lifting lifting and keeping whole societies out of if you're aware of precisely where Newkirk criticized the climate alarmist.

You can you can fill me in on that, but I don't happen to remember that one.

Yeah, I'll have to look that up after the show or if any of our listeners might know of that. I have a fuzzy memory of seeing that individual interviewed on Fox News backing up the Claim of our listener Robert in White Plains, but thanks for listening Robert we have to go to our midway break now.

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