April 16, 2019 Show with Flip Michaels on “Five Half-Truths: Addressing the Most Common Misconceptions of Christianity”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 16th day of April 2019 and I'm thrilled to have a first-time guest today.

His name is flip Michaels and he is the author and associate pastor and staff elder At Grace Life Church of Anvil, Pennsylvania. We are going to be addressing his book five half truths Addressing the most common misconceptions of Christianity and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio flip Michaels.

Thanks for having me and you know what it it is my honor to be on the program when I think of the Spiritual living spiritual giants that you've had on this program and then you invite me on the program.

I am I am truly humbled to be a part of it. Praise God. Well, you know, I was going to introduce you as Pastor flip the pastor of st. Geraldine's Cathedral, but I thought I thought I thought twice about it.

Well, I guess I said it anyway, didn't I? And I guess the Millennials listening might not have no clue what that joke means. It was a reference to exactly it was a reference to world-renowned comedian in the 1970s flip Wilson the only other person I know of by the name of flip.

Actually, I think I did hear of a couple of other people named flip now that I'm thinking.

Hey, I was born in 1975 no clue what you're talking about. Oh, yeah. Well you would have been around but you've been very young.

Because flip Wilson was on TV probably in somewhere around the early 70s to about 76 77 78 but but. Well before we have you give your personal testimony of salvation which is what we typically do with first-time guests on our intrepid Zion radio when they're Christians.

That is because There are a few occasions when I have a non-christian on the show who has something of great importance for the church at large. To hear. But the vast majority of my guests are Christian and but before we have you give Your personal testimony of salvation.

Tell us about Grace Life Church of Anvil, Pennsylvania, which I know is in the Hershey, Pennsylvania area.

Yeah, we're not too far from Hershey, and I'm really blessed to be a part of it. Grace Life is Just about eight years old a lead pastor, and I would say we are we minister to around 200. We we started out a little more than doubled.

We you know something I can tell you with a number of the guys that you've had on this program as we Do something each year we we just invite somebody to be a guest speaker, and we we take our church generally.

We keep in the Northeast. We were in Pennsylvania this year. We oh great. Thomas was a dear friend of mine. He was terrific. He was absolutely terrific in dealing with issues. You know concerning so well.

Thanks a lot flip. If I knew that I would have been there right because I love Tom.

Well, maybe we didn't tell you on purpose no. What you're absolutely, but we you know we just finished that up just About two weeks ago here and really neat for our church to his teaching and to get grounded in that area as well.

Well praise God, and I hope that you I'm gonna be giving more details a little later on. But I hope that you and the men at Grace Life Church of Anvil come out to my pastors luncheon. That I am having on May 23rd.

Thursday. May 23rd 11 a .m. To 2 p .m. At the Carlisle fire-and-rescue banquet hall in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Dr. Tony Costa who is the professor of apologetics in Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary is our speaker at the luncheon.

It's free of charge and the theme of the message is going to be how the Dead Sea Scrolls vindicate the reliability of the scriptures and Most of the major Christian publishers in the United States and the United Kingdom donate free books.

They donate a hundred copies of each title that I select from each Publisher and that way every man who attends can leave with a heavy sack of books typically a couple of dozen books sometimes more and So it's a really worthwhile thing for men in ministry leadership to attend and it's free of charge.

So this was a an annual event that became a biannual event. This was started by my precious late wife Julie in the 1990s when she recognized that since I had been in the Christian radio industry Most of my adult life going back to the 80s.

I have been involved in Christian radio and secular radio before that and she recognized that I had so many friends who were pastors most of my friends are pastors and She said why don't we forgo giving each other Christmas gifts?

This year and treat your friends who are pastors to a pastor's luncheon. And I said, you know, that's a great idea. And I did that and we had a guest speaker who was my pastor at the time Mike Gadosh Who now runs solid ground Christian books in?

Port st. Lucie, Florida and but at the time he was my pastor in Amityville, Long Island, New York and we had some free books that we gave away and the Luncheons continued and They grew so large I had to start getting corporate sponsorship to help fund the luncheons and they have continued they have continued after my precious wife went home to be with the Lord and I continue them to this day in her honor and memory and We do things exactly the way that she insisted they be done.

There's no Ulterior motive or hidden agenda. There's nothing for sale at these luncheons. There is no Amway Representative trying to convince somebody to join Amway or anything like that. No slam against the Amway.

I'm just saying that there's no hidden or ulterior motive and So I hope as many men listening who are in leadership positions whether they are pastors elders. And I think that those are the same office by the way deacons leaders and parachurch ministries.

Just send me an email to Chris Arnson at gmail .com and I will register you for this free event and as far as anybody wanting to visit Grace Life Church of Anvil, Pennsylvania if you happen to be either living in that area or you're visiting that area or You perhaps have loved ones in that area.

The website is grace life PA for Pennsylvania org. Grace life PA org just out of curiosity. I don't know if I asked you this before but Grace Life Church in Lake City, Florida who also Runs a radio station 90 .1 FM in Lake City Grace Life Radio.

They run Iron Trip and Zion Radio twice a day in a pre-recorded format. They air us in morning drive 8 to 10 a .m. And they air us again at 8 to 10 p .m. Are you in any way affiliated with Grace Life in Lake City?

No, we're not and you know, it is interesting. It's a great question because I think over time here. That name Grace Life has become very popular, you know when we Started I think the only Grace Life that was really I'm sure there were a few.

I'm sure it was Grace Life London and there's one in there very famous one in Muscle Shoals famous amongst people who believe in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace. That is and and they are connected with the one in Somehow in Lake City, Florida, and there's also at least one in, Texas.

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The Grace Life I knew of when we when we had we loved the I the name of Grace Life and decided to go with it was Phil Johnson and I think Don Don Green at the time. Probably it was Mike Riccardi. I bet because I know it's Mike Riccardi now, but anyways, they they what is it?

They're Sunday school minutes. I know that existed. So but now since then there has been a number of Grace time to time. It's almost like its own little denomination and and you know just with any of these words today to define them because.

There are Grace Life's that are all over the map, you know, some are obvious. Yes, that's Grace Life, which is one word.

As they do spell it at Grace Life radio in Lake City, Florida as well. And yeah, Phil Johnson cracked me up when he was talking about His his Bible study at Grace Community Church in Lake City, Florida where John MacArthur is the pastor and he said that his group is somewhat like a small chapel of about 500 or so.

And Said Phil do you realize that amongst Reformed and Sovereign Grace believing Christians 500 is a mega church, right? Anyway, well now we are going to enter into your personal testimony. If you could give us a summary of Your salvation story what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what kind of providential circumstances Did our Sovereign Lord raise up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you?

Sure. I'd love to Chris, you know, I Am a New Yorker at heart. I was born in New York. I was born in Bayshore, New York. You're kidding me.

I didn't know that I was. I was born and raised in Amityville, New York.

I when you said Amityville, I kind of knew this prior. I was like, okay. Alright, we've got a Long Island guy here. So yeah, definitely. Yeah, I I started in New York, but I as a kid I moved up and down the East Coast and just a transient childhood my dad Florida Fort Myers, Florida North Fort Myers, Florida when it was Honestly, it was probably a town growing into a city became the fastest growing city in the nation I think at one time but it's huge now.

I don't recognize it, Washington DC. So I'd moved up and down the East Coast and I really didn't have any Christian influence. Inside or or even outside of the home all those days. I you know I've looked back and I I I try to think back even as a kid if I when we talk about being I truly was blind.

Because I just I really don't have any recollection of I came to faith in Christ 23 24 years old. So I really prior to then I just for me it really started back in 1993 so I was about 23 at the time and I was working in a New York radio station.

And there was a disc jockey named Barbara quickly earned the reputation was warned by these Coworkers not to engage her in any kind of truth-seeking debates in me would do that. And I remember love because I I would have these conversations with her.

I was trying to remember I think with the production director at the time. So I was handling actually creative services director. So it's handling all the morning show bits commercials and so forth. So it's in and out of the studio.

I began the challenger with with firmly challenged just kind of just to push it even further from me and I Came it was see a galley and he's probably just skipping stones and now 2 ,000 years later. You want to tell me that he's well been in our conversations answers on my own one game.

It's not a more manuscript evidence than any of the comparison when you talk about percentages of in here. You're talking about Bible. Ninety nine point nine nine percent.

You know even even even Bart Ehrman admits to that by the way as much as he loves to attack the scripture and made has Made that his life's passion to destroy the reliability of the New Testament or the Bible in general.

He admits to that actually when he is passed in cross-examination in a debate.

Well, you know it that was that was big for me. It led me down a path to really see that the Bible. It's unlike anything out there start reading it and you have these just one example. I mentioned 400 seal of these monuments.

The one I was in 1993 is the same year. They they found from the house of though for me That was just tremendous because and then that pushed me on the science. You have all these observable discoveries being done where from blood to hydrovery that life is in the blood.

Well, if you read the book of the pickets, you would know that it's in the book way to God's authority. City the accuracy, you know, it's just book. I I did begin health and I I never really as I said before I never really disputed that you in in the gospel of John.

I I became confronted with his corn 518. He was making himself in court. You know You have John 1030 I and the father in the life and after reading these words, I really was again confronted with truth.

That Jesus never ever claimed to be merely good tea really struck of God is really they're not inclusive. I started to become aware of who got into my eyes were open to challenge me. He and Tom said, you know good finder and I thought I don't know if I want to do they said no.

Go ahead do it. I'll help in 90 minutes. In 90 minutes, they tracked her down. Praise God amazing.

Yeah.

So I I needed a promise that I was holding to it. 10 9 and 10 the dead You can believe resulting in righteousness and with the mouth. He confesses resulting full journey and Phil Johnson real and turning me really into Christian broadcasting.

And I know you and I have that in our background. That's right. And being the OPS man and running a radio time and my commute Would be almost two hours each way at one point went from 45 minutes each way to about two hours your life passes before your.

Eyes, by the way.

Some of your listeners will know and formally for years during my commute because I would Grace to you think I could get my hands on what he has done and obviously John MacArthur. And then that helped me transition into full-time ministry.

I had many lay ministry opportunities and I started obviously side and so yeah, you know you lead a Juana children know what I'm an elder and the gentleman I mentioned earlier Dave Cunningham and as that became my vocational ministry opportunity and that was really 2011 and So I left 20 years of broadcast and really good people ever wanted to do.

Praise God. Well, um, I don't know if you ever when you were working for WA VA. What was it? What were the or as we used to call it? Waver? What is the what are the years that you worked there? Oh.

Boy, it was definitely the 90s. It was. Probably mid 90s. Yeah, but mid 90s to what would that be? Would that be 98?

Because I was just wondering I was just gonna have to pull that out. I was just wondering if I ever met you because I used to go to the Sandy Cove Conference Center in Maryland When we would have our sales summit and I know that you you just said you were bored up.

So, I don't know if you would go to that kind of a thing but the wave a team at least the people involved in sales were there when I would be there and. So I just don't know if I ever met you face to face before.

I don't think so because I was I was totally in operations and I went when I the highest position I had there was operations manager and and and that was great. I really enjoyed running that but I might have been down the Sandy Cove I it's possible you and I had a handshake back then thing more than that.

But WA WA VA is still alive and kicking in DC and doing quite well. My time there was interesting because faith and you know when you get into Christian radio programming. As I know, you know, you know, you start to yeah put it mildly Yeah, I'm trying to be kind here and not name names.

But you know, you do get into programming battles because you're like, you know what that does praise God.

Well, I am thrilled to have you on today. And what led to the writing of five have truths. Something in your own testimony that you just brought up. Seems to be involved in the contents because we have as the very first chapter half truth number one.

The Bible was written by men and you just brought that up earlier as being a part of your your questioning during your your lost years your lost but Interested years when you were asking questions about the Christian faith and challenging people on that.

But tell us about how the book came about.

You know, I I would also say that written for number public. I had my own column. I had done a little writing for the written for number. Trade a writer and state anyone who preaches or teaches. Generally I think you would say you're a writer if you're creating any kind of manuscript.

Really wanted to. I wanted to. This was very personal for me my. My elders. So, you know, you end up doing a lot and I decided I'm gonna go ahead and make a lesion number one. Hey, you know. It's not going to go into the hand to God in it.

And I did not expect it did not did not expect. Any kind of interest. My very first publisher that I and my own personal list. Like if I had to pick somebody came to be and fully humbled by it. But the authors he who slipped Michaels.

Who is this guy that they want to publish this book? So I am just throw. Honestly, I think it goes without saying as we do these but that's not about. My fame in it. Amen. And just just to see there's neat stories.

Neat interaction. I've had that I've never met before. His words alive in there. It's not really anything.

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No, not at all. As a matter of fact, I grew up when I was on Long Island. I grew up in the islet. So that that was my backyard. Yeah, I know that area. Well, yes.

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We are now joined by my guest flip Michaels to discuss his book five have truths. Addressing the most common misconceptions of Christianity. I just want to quickly read a couple of the endorsements by people.

I know my friend Nate pickowitz Who has been on this guest a number of times on iron sharpens iron radio? And by the way, he's involved in that new documentary that you've got to see called American gospel Christ alone.

Nate pickowitz is one of the speakers involved in that and Nate says Frankly, these are not things we can afford to get wrong these essential truths must be rightly divided and contended for and Flip does just that a helpful book.

And another friend of mine who's been on this get who's been a guest in this program a number of times Who's also involved in the American gospel documentary? Justin Peters. Justin Peters says if you know of someone who is interested in eternal matters But expresses doubts about Christianity, please get this book in his hands.

I Enthusiastically commend it to you. That's Justin Peters of Justin Peters ministries. So let's get more in depth about the chapter that I already mentioned to you before Half truth number one. The Bible was written by men and of course we hear this Constantly from our skeptic friends who are not believers and this is thrown up at us Very much in the same way that the devil Tries to trick God's children by telling things that are half truths as you have titled your book.

Because yes, of course The Bible was written by men but their implication and and typically in what they actually say. When would they are hurling this at us this comment is that the Bible was just Written by men, but that is the part that's wrong.

Absolutely. Hey before I hit that you you mentioned two guys. I've got to say something here Nate. Nate pickowitz is a great guy and I I just we could just I know because I've Heard you interview him as well, but just how we are how grateful we are for what he does.

And in fact, Justin Peters God willing in January of 2020, he will be my iron trip and Zion radio pastors luncheon speaker.

Terrific, and he he was at our he did our getaway last year. Your question. No, no, no mentioned two guys two guys I just of many that I love and then one more thing here. You mentioned the I need to tell you that American Gospel Brandon had invited number the guys it into a cup.

Well, it's kind of providential because I just had communication from Brandon Kimber today.

Because he wants to be on. I interpret on radio. It's kind of I would love it providential. He's a great guy.

Right. Yeah, he'll he'll be that'll be wonderful. But but back to the first chapter. Sorry about that. Um, you know that stating the Bible is written by men. As a half-truth shared in my personal versus natural revelation and 120 we know there's a God we see also not just natural Revelation, but we learn about the activity of through that in the book and then the authenticity of the book.

Even just some phrases some of the end and then the accuracy authority and one to Revelation 22 21. It's one long quote and that the divine author literally breathed it out in in one seamless book one singular message.

It's not a product of talking about earlier and it was it was written. Praise God. Let me go to one of our listener questions.

We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina. This is another great show brother Chris. Brother flip would you recommend your book for someone that's Unchurched or someone that's been churched but has never agreed with the truths of the Bible.

That's a great question. And the answer is yes, and yes. The intent of my book really was to two different audiences and and certainly one is an unbeliever Who has struggled with and that's why I carefully walk through them the way I do and and you need to know is your page Noted and I don't mean they're all these notes at the end of the book that maybe you want to check but we get lazy.

As we're reading through there are footnotes in there because I I want to arm you with information as you're reading through. When I mention a Bible verse I want you to see that Bible verse. Someone who may honestly be these half-truths in in some way in being able to articulate cycling another person.

This will arm them as well. So yes, I think it'd be an excellent, you know help in that area in either of well Grady.

Pick out one of those friends that you know that are either unbelievers and unchurched or they are churched But don't agree with the Bible as you have stated in your question. Pick out one of those friends and perhaps after you read it yourself, you can give them the free copy that you have just one of Five half-truths addressing the most common misconceptions of Christianity by our guest flip Michaels with our great Thanks to Christian focus publications For providing these copies for us to give away and it will be shipped out to you Free of charge by our other friends at CV BBS comm Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service right here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

And by the way flip Patty Jennings who still works at CV BBS, even though her and her husband sold the the company They Patty is still working there at least for the time being and she told me to send you and your congregation at Grace life in Anvil Anvil, Pennsylvania her greetings because she happens to know that you folks are faithful customers of CV BBS.

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That is true and I have yet to my shame I have not been out there yet, and I need to. Well.

Hopefully you'll be out for my pastor's luncheon and you can visit the store before or after the one the luncheon.

How can you say no to free books? When you tell pastors, there's gonna be free book it, you know. All we're doing is looking at the calendar to make sure we can be there.

Much to the chagrin of the pastor's wives. Well, thank you so much Grady and make sure that we have your full mailing address in Asheboro, North Carolina and So we can have CV BBS comm. Ship this book out to you before I move on to our next listener.

One thing that always comes up. Well, I shouldn't say always comes up, but it frequently comes up with skeptics. Under this very heading of the Bible was written by men. They will sometimes laughing at you Will say that there are so many things in the Bible that even modern science has proven are false.

It proves it was just written by men and they will bring up things like the Sun rising and setting. Which you know, obviously that is that is not a scientific Description of what is actually happening.

With the Sun they will bring up the fact that. The mustard seed is described in the Bible as the smallest of all the seeds and Those who are involved in agricultural science will tell you that that is not true.

There are seeds smaller than mustard seeds that you could go on and on and on with these kinds of things. How do you respond to why if the if the Bible is inspired it says things? As a matter of fact that if you were actually to put it to a scientific test are not true.

You know, typically I would say my number one response Is in the form of a question. I will get a response and you know. No, not really. If I really push I can I can usually find out that maybe they were in a hotel and they and they skim the Bible.

Quickly, but they really did not make a commitment to do that. They're just to read through it and I usually I truly will point them to the Gospel of John and and a good study Bible. MacArthur's helpful in that but what I do try to do in those conversations you know when you're reading these passages you read them like you would read anything else you read them in their context and.