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We are going to be addressing the theme preaching the Psalms in a Christian congregation.

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Dr. James M Renahan.

Thank you, Chris.

Good to be with you today.

It's great to have you back.

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Well the specific way that you titled today's discussion Is

preaching the Psalms in a Christian congregation and Some people might

think that for a Christian radio topic.

That's a kind of a redundant thing to call a subject.

But why would you emphasize that in a title about preaching the Psalms in a Christian congregation?

Now what makes The Psalms Different than other parts of

the scripture.

I know that they were written to be set to music and I think if I'm not

mistaken the word Psalm actually means

That it is music or songs to be accompanied by the harp.

I think that may be the Root, but you can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I was

asking

what is unique about them.

Now, did you just say I may have misunderstood you.

Did you just say that not all the song the not all the Psalms were intended to be sung?

Or they weren't all intended to be sung in corporate worship.

Um, well they weren't all written for corporate worship, let's put it that way.

Some of them are Certainly the

expressions of

individuals,

Psalm 51.

But was it

written as a song by David?

Is it a confession before the Lord in other words.

In those words?

Was he singing those words?

I don't know.

I don't know if he was.

Okay.

Well, the basic question then was what makes the Psalms unique.

When set apart in comparison to other forms of Scripture.

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When we have our pastor or visiting evangelist

preaching Through the Psalms to the congregation.

If there if it is done in an expository way where perhaps every

week There is a different Psalm or a different part of a Psalm addressed.

Do you think that a sermon when we are addressing the Psalms or perhaps even any part of the

Hebrew Scriptures that we should be incorporating the New Testament as well.

In the ministry of the word from the pulpits of our churches.

Another good question.

And you had John

Calvin who was

very effective

Lutherans.

Accused Calvin of being a Judaizer.

Because he so seldom was willing to.

Wow.

Yeah, so you have these these two very different ends of this.

I think that perhaps what the Luther side rather than the Calvin side

in my own thinking.

Not that every verse or perhaps even every Psalm is directly related to Christ, but I think that it is

important for us to Recognize the relationship that the organic

relationship, you know

Mark Furtado in his book in exegetical handbook as a really

helpful.

Brief section but a helpful section that speaks about Christ and the Psalms and he goes to a

place like that.

Talks

about

Christ's

prayers,

but I

think he

shows

us how

and

we have.

Let's see here.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who wants to know?

Should we ever? not Imitate a psalmist's cry to the

Lord.

Sometimes it seems that the psalmists are arguing or Venting their anger

with God.

Is this ever appropriate for a New Covenant Christian?

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If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is Dr. Jim Renahan

President and professor of historical theology at IRBS Theological Seminary in

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Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania who has a question.

Dr. Renahan, do you think that the Psalms can give we who are reformed a subtle

rebuke?

Who have an occasion to be sometimes? Emotionless in our approach to God.

I know that this is a caricature that is not always true and people broad brush us up this way.

But I know this certainly does exist among us.

But yes need to be understood

recognizing the emotion that is present by the inspiration.

I'm 88 that we need to be able to see that the

promise there is.

Some to the last five heard someone

once say it's it's like the grand finale of fire.

I'll eat if we can if we read them or

still enter

into them pray them.

Thank You Susan.

Margaret.

We have RJ and White Plains, New York who asks something

that I guess it's sort of a similar question.

Not entirely the same RJ asks aren't the Psalms a wonderful

springboard to other passes or passages of Scripture that lead us to

Focus on the whole counsel of God.

Because of the varying Psalms that exists in the Old Covenant and

the different emotions that are expressed in the different circumstances whether they are Praise

and joy or whether they are sorrow and grief or everything in between They seem to springboard into

many other truths even in the New Testament Where we are forced to cover the whole counsel

of God if we were to go consistently in an expository way through the Psalms.

Yes, that's exactly right.

RJ.

Over the fact

that they

cover a

thousand

years

to

teach young

men is

That

the method

that they used

should be

the method if you

could.

Perhaps highlight some of the Psalms that are the most meaningful to you.

Obviously all of the Psalms and all of God's Word are God -breathed.

They come to us directly from the the mind and lips of God and are even though he

uses human instruments to Use they should say human instruments to

to write and scripturate his word it is still his word and

so we have to be careful perhaps not to Play favorites too much when we read the

Bible, but at the same time there are Texts that become precious to us.

So do you have any favorite Psalms that you care to highlight and tell us why they are so precious to you?

Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

I anticipated that you'd ask me that question.

No,

very

much.

I.

Think some 80 because of

the

way

that I

Have an interest in the Psalms of Asaph Which is

some 50 going back

to that he did I

think the psalm

that I repeat more often to people.

Probably in one one reason that the the horrific

hellish Satanic sin of infanticide is so prevalent in

our day.

Psalm 139 Seems to come up a lot when I'm speaking with people.

There are some who very Naively or even just

ignorantly don't even realize that the scriptures Condemn

such a thing as Abortion, but if you could even comment anything about Psalm 139 that our

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We have CJ and Lindenhurst Long Island, New York who wants to know.

Why is it that Jesus Christ at? significant times in his ministry would quote

from the Psalms and speak as if He was David incarnate.

Said

to

my

Lord

sit at

my

right

hand

until

I

make

your enemies

now

one

of the

most

powerful.

Moments in the life of Christ where he is quoting a psalm involves

his death before he dies.

Quoting from Psalm 22.

Oh my god. My god.

Why hast thou forsaken me?

Can you explain that because I have heard?

Christians even scholars even those who are

Within the Reformed can't disagree with each other on What exactly is going on here?

What exactly is Christ?

Intending to convey Not only to his father, but

to those who are Hearing him and obviously for centuries reading him say

that.

I.

Heard that explanation for the first time very recently.

I'd never heard it in my life before just.

Probably I don't know a few months ago.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

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Today, dr. Jim Renahan is familiar with Reverend Jeff Thomas who is a beloved

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looking forward to it.

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Dr. Renahan.

When it comes to the Psalms What do you think God

is trying to?

First and foremost instill upon the hearts and minds of his followers

with the truths that are breathed into those Psalms we already said that they they

run the spectrum of emotion and experience, but What do you think

could be described as the primary?

Purpose and benefit and blessing from the Psalms a.

Lot of people advocating the fact that

I guess to

answer the question.

I would say wisdom in light of who God is.

They present to us a

claim of God is

over again

in Deity and upon him to provide us

with wisdom to be able to do

such looking

we have.

Let's see Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Who asks do you believe that when the New Testament lists? the Psalms

and hymns and Spiritual songs that we are to incorporate into our worship services.

That this is actually a command that we must include the Psalms or is it

just a suggestion?

Now going to something that you just mentioned our brethren who are

exclusive psalmists exclusive psalm singers.

The best argument that I heard against that Was I believe the

brother was in the RC us the Reformed? Church in the United States.

He said that if we become exclusive psalmity advocates

We are preventing the brothers and sisters in the church from Singing

praise to Jesus Christ.

By name, of course.

Those who are singing exclusively the Psalms are praising Jesus Christ, but not by name.

Do you find validity in that argument against exclusive psalmity?

Now for some reason I have a haunting feeling that I Accidentally deleted a question before we went to

the long break.

Did I do that?

Did we have a question that came in before the break?

I thought that we did.

Maybe I'm just imagining it.

I Know I'm talking about one that I actually read.

But you don't remember.

Well, if if you're listening if that is indeed the case if you would please Resend

your your question because sometimes things like this happen in live radio and I apologize

before that.

Let's see here we have a similar question sort of

we have John and Bangor Maine who asks I know that you believe that

we should as a Obedience to a command Sing the Psalms

in our corporate worship services, but does that mean that every service must include them?

So, I don't know how to answer that.

I.

Don't know if that's a command that says every time that we come we ought

to.

I think that they ought to be Emphasized and present and active.

Yeah, it is

a shame though that you know, I've visited churches.

They're typically the churches that are.

More.

Dedicated to modern music they are either

megachurches or striving to be megachurches and

Whenever I have visited them they are never singing the Psalms in their worship.

And Even when I've asked sometimes do you ever sing the Psalms people?

Will actually Sometimes act as I'm at I'm asking a foolish question like why on earth

would we need to do that?

But this is a very Sad thing when when these God breathed

songs are being totally ignored and eliminated from worship, aren't they?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and my answer is not meant to say I think we should touch the

ground.

I'm just just

in a blanket statement.

Well,

maybe

there are certain

okay.

We are going to our final break.

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Give us your first name city and state and country of residence.

And we have a question from Bobby in Hartsdale, New York and

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York says should we sing all of the Psalms in our worship

services when some of them? involve the killing of our enemies.

That's an interesting question as well.

And it typically is one that you will find the commentators on the Psalms wrestling with.

The thing that we have to remember is that the Psalms are the inspired Word of God and they

predominantly are the prayers that presents God.

That's it's not a personal vengeance against enemy rather.

That

begins

to

hear

them

because

they

want to

talk

about.

Yes I do

going on

the file on them to and we have an

anonymous.

Listener who says do you have any specific?

Counsel on how to use the Psalms most effectively to evangelize our Jewish friends

and neighbors.

We have.

Let's see.

We have.

Oh we have another anonymous listener.

Not sure why this question is anonymous but the listener

says.

I Think that now I see why.

I see why the listener is anonymous.

I am bothered by the fact that my pastor dwells it

seems Too much on the Old Testament.

When we are hearing him preach and when we are studying the Word of God, is there a danger

in that?

We need to be whole Bible Christian.

And when the.

Long

time

ago.

Well, I

assume you

would think

though

that if.

For some strange reason a pastor was exclusively preaching from the Old Testament.

He might he might be though going through some kind of a long Expository series and I'm not

sure how long this person has been a member of their church but.

Yeah.

Well,

I want to make

sure that you have at least four or five minutes to summarize.

The things that you most want etched in hearts on etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners regarding the Psalms today.

Okay.

But I think are very useful my good friend dr. Robert Godfrey Through Ligonier

ministries I

mentioned a

little while

ago,

but

I think it's

very

helpful.

May he

be

glorified.

Praise God.

Oh, thank

you so much for always

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