September 16, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “The Holy Spirit Is God”

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And I'm so thrilled that once again, we have one of my very favorite guests of all time, and one of my very favorite preachers and authors of all time, Jeff Thomas, on for two days in a row here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, today, September 16th, and tomorrow, Thursday, September 17th.

Jeff Thomas, who, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years before his retirement as pastor at Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales, currently being pastored by his grandson. And today, we are going to be addressing, The Holy Spirit is God, and tomorrow, we're going to be addressing, Asking for the Holy Spirit.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for two days in a row here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jeff Thomas.

Thank you so much. It's my honor to be here and to imagine in my mind a number of friends through the USA and elsewhere to, like I asked you, but seeing it grows.

Amen.

Well, I know that the congregation at Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle surely misses you and eagerly looks forward to your return visits, if God has that in store for us. And I, for one, am especially looking forward to hearing you preach again and sharing fellowship with you face to face, if God has ordained that in the form of a Bible conference or whatever the case may be.

I do hope to see you again soon. And why don't you tell our listeners, who have not heard you on this program before, especially, about Alfred Place Baptist Church of Everest with Wales, where you pastored for over half a century, and where your grandson now pastors.

Yeah, that's before I started that, and the initiation of the year, and a city town of 20 ,000 people, 25 men went into them in London. If anybody would like to find out more about the Alfred Place Baptist Church in Everest with Wales,.

You can go to their website, alfredplacechurch .org .uk, alfredplacechurch .org .uk. Well, I'm so thrilled that you picked these two topics for today and tomorrow on the Holy Spirit, because I think that the Holy Spirit is not only one of the most important persons in the Scripture, and of course, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son and the Godhead, but I think, sadly, is also one of the least understood or most misunderstood teachings in the Scriptures, and I think that those that both distort who He is and His purpose, who make use of His name to the extreme on one end, in the Charismatic and Pentecostal circles, and those on the other extreme, those who barely mention Him, both do Him a disservice and both misunderstand Him, and that is a tragedy.

But, of course, not only do you have cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses and others who deny the Trinity, who also deny that the Holy Spirit is God or that He is a person of the Godhead, these cults typically don't believe there is a Godhead, they just believe that there is God the Father and He is a lone God, but you also have those that might be confessionally Trinitarian and Trinitarian by profession, who speak of and act as if the Holy Spirit is not a person of the Godhead and that He is not God Himself, they might not consciously do this, but they very often treat Him as if He is a power or force and not a person.

But if you could tell us where you'd like to begin on this magnificent and glorious doctrine of the Holy Spirit is God.

Of course, I want to say, Antioch is meeting and they're ministering to about Him, of course, the Prime Minister will be poured down in the three-year cloudburst day of Pentecost, that's what Peter's talking about, He affected 120 disciples, Himself, He regenerated 3 ,000 unbelievers, like the Niagara Falls, He cascaded down upon the multitude, He shed Himself abroad like a monsoon of personality, our scribe to Him, found in Him, will show you things to come, He shall glorify me, He shall not receive, and shall show it apart from the faith, He that hath an ear, let him hear with a voice, no, I can't do it.

We have to go to our first break right now, and before we go to the break, I'm going to ask you a question from our listeners, or from a listener, I should say, and then you can answer it when we come back.

We have an anonymous listener who says, I was wondering if the Apostles' Creed is a faithful and biblical creed, and I was wondering what exactly it means by the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son, I've never understood that.

Well, if you answer that, when we come back from our station break, if anybody else wants to join us, our email address is chrizarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Always give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

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Today we are discussing part one of a discussion on the Holy Spirit that we'll conclude tomorrow. Today is on the theme, The Holy Spirit is God. And if you have a question for Jeff, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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Which is in that creed, because this person doesn't know what that means. Well, thank you,.

Anonymous, and keep listening to Iron, Sharp, and Zion Radio, and keep spreading the word about the program. We have Harrison, Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, when the Bible refers to the Spirit of Christ, is it referring to the Holy Spirit himself, a separate person other than Christ, or is it something else the scriptures refer to?

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B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, what is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Is this something that every truly regenerate brother and sister in Christ receives, or is this only for the first century saints during the apostolic era who received a unique gift of the Holy Spirit that gave them the ability to speak foreign languages and perform miracles?

Oh, that's a good question. It's a hot issue in some churches in the side, churches under me. Yeah, I think when, but if you, if you have to prove...

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Before I allow you to continue on with your own uninterrupted thoughts, we do have just one more listener question I'd like to read to you before we go to any other listeners. We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who wants to know, should we deny brotherhood and sisterhood to those that are very confused about the Trinity and cannot say they believe the Holy Spirit is a person of the Godhead yet, they believe in the deity of Christ and of course the deity of the Father, they believe in salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, but they're so confused about the doctrine of the Holy Spirit that they cannot yet identify themselves with good conscience as Trinitarians.

So, can we say that they are saved, and can we call them brothers? Obviously we don't have infallible knowledge of these things, but can we extend.

The arm of fellowship to them as brethren? Well, thank you. B .B. in Cumberland County,.

Pennsylvania. Please keep spreading the word about Iron Trumpet and Zion Radio. And if you could. Now, Jeff, before I take any more listener questions, I want you to have some time to further declare what you find most important about this glorious truth of the Holy Spirit.

Being God. Yeah, only a few disputes there are. The arguments were, for example, why has Satan fooled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost? Was sold, was it not you? And you see this thing in your heart.

You haven't lied unto men. Jew, and yet he calls Christ. So you glorify God, to the Holy Spirit, living God? Again, in the same law, priority of persons. First, the Spirit, he called God. You have the expression said, and they are used to give God the Holy Spirit.

It's not that madly fascinating in the New Testament, is it? When the Apostles perished 28, 25, Paul speaks of the commission that Isaiah, the prophet received in the temple. Isaiah 6, 9 says, it's the Lord who spoke to the prophet and said, go and tell the people.

But when Paul quotes Isaiah in our experience, that they are one prophets. Yet when Peter refers to these prophecies, he says, who are one. Again, thirdly, lead me on thy right. Virgin Mary, come upon me.

Christ raised from the dead my heir being. Praise God. Well, we're going to our final.

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