Road Trip DL: About Asking Your Debate Opponent to Actually Interpret a Bible Verse

Well, greens, welcome to the dividing line. My name is James White coming to you from. I don't know. You know, it's funny. I.

Thought that.

This is gonna be the first time I ever stayed at this Campground that I'm at because that it didn't it didn't ring any bells. And as soon as I pulled off the road, I'm going This looks familiar. I've stayed here twice I think this is my third time and I do know that once I pulled in here You can pay like ten dollars to drop tanks to dump your tanks.

I Don't remember why Where I was that made that Helpful to me. But anyways, so here I am and There's one road. Oh, man, I you don't even have to work hard to throw there, but the Actual I -40 is I think just over that direction.

So yeah, you may hear the song of the KOA campground. I Don't think yeah, I just see trucks going by there. That's about three tosses of a stones. That's not too bad. Um, I Don't think there's a railroad track nearby and I don't think there's an airport nearby, but we are within 300 yards of the of the freeway.

So yeah, that's I'm hoping honestly To be able to make sense today. Because I'll just tell you straight up we lost a kitty today in my family and You know, it's so weird When it happens fast and that's normally how it happens, you know something happens to get hit by a car or you know, all of a sudden to get fall over sick or Get shot by the BB gun or who knows and it just happens so fast.

There's no dreading. There's no, you know, it just boom and When I left our little Coper 15 years old The younger brother of Darth who died last summer where I held him while he died. We had three we called them the floof council and they had started doing this thing we're like right at sunset they'd all go out in the front yard and we'd go out there and sit there and watch them playing and and Cobra would just sit there and watch the other two primarily though.

Once in a while Dini would jump on top of him because Dini's a kitten and that's what kittens do. And they'd wrestle around and stuff and then he'd climb up a tree of Dini would not Cobra. He used to do that.

And in fact Cobra is the one who years ago probably 13 years ago a couple of times brought still living pigeons into the house To then let them go Fly around. I don't know. I'll never forget that one.

Yeah, you have any idea how hard it is to pick up pigeon feathers when they've been flying. Thanks Cobra appreciate that try killing it next time, you know, anyway but we would have the floof council meeting out there and and Dini and and Sophie would be chasing each other around and The day before I left I had my warm clothes sitting out on the bed and and Coppers Coppers needing on it and grousing at me because he'd oh he would love to talk and sometimes he just talk and talk that drives you crazy and he's just everything's fine and Last Friday.

My wife tells me I think Cobra's not feeling good and Then he gets real lethargic and he stops eating and drinking and she's like I where should I take him? So this morning she got him in the carrier gets him to the vet and he has feline leukemia and He's gone.

I mean he was we've I found that out as I got into the truck to pull out this morning and By before I got here and this is a short trip, there's a short leg of the trip shortest of this trip he was gone and At least she she held the phone there and I was able to say bye-bye that's not the same thing as being there, but happens fast happens really really fast and I Don't know if we are going to reconstitute the floof council in the future, you know, you never know.

I mean we got Dini because he was found in packing material at my son's work. They found the three kittens hiding in these Packing material so you never know what what might happen. But anyways, so I'm hoping I will be somewhat coherent.

It's been a bit of a rough day around the white family and So, there you go. We'll see what goes of all that. I Wanted to do this program day because tomorrow is a long leg and.

I.

Want to make sure to get the program in. Because I don't know that I'm gonna get to Conway because that's where I'm heading is. I'll be getting to the seminary tomorrow. The class starts Thursday. And I just just realized my brother there in Conway contacted me somehow.

Forgive me. When I meet people at conferences they will talk about how they've been listening to me for years and years and years. The thing that freaks them out is I'm the same at The conference or in my presentations as I am on the dividing line.

There's no. I'm not smart enough to have different personalities.

And.

So I'll sometimes you know throw things out and Chase a rabbit and and you know have all the rest is kind of stuff happening. Um. There's a friend of mine in Conway that contacted me About working on the truck.

He's an expert mechanic need to know if we need to do anything on the truck. I can't tell exactly how you know, you get this thing on the splash screen of your phone and Then it disappears and then you try to find it and it's like How was that a text message?

Was that a I am was that was that a standard text message? Was that an Apple text message? Was that something in Facebook? Was that a DM in? Excuse me. Wow, where'd that come from? Yes, I've stopped smoking.

Um, don't worry. I don't. It frustrates me Because I'll see something. And then I can't find it. It's gone. I think there's two we were never designed To have this much data coming at us from so many different channels.

We just weren't. It's um, yeah, it's weird. So I I need to try to find that again to say to my friend. Nope. Actually the trucks in great shape. Everything's working. Everything on the RV is fine.

Um.

You know, I I may actually just be able to bring the RV home and then park it in our parking place rather than taking.

It.

To the RV shop, which is what we've been doing the last couple of trips have stuff worked on. Who knows? Well, we'll see. I mean, it's nice to get it cleaned and flushing the tanks always helps and stuff like that, but.

Everything's working all the electronics are working. The air conditioners, right? I have to have the AC writing right now. It's only doing Fan, but yeah, so great. Okay. Anyway, I wanted to get this program in Because I don't know once I get to Conway I'm gonna be very very very busy.

The class is an intensive class. So it's all day long and When you get done.

Teaching.

From like 8 in the morning till 4 30 in the afternoon. There's not much left of you. You you don't want to be. Doing almost anything else and. So I'm not real big. I'm like going out and eating afterwards because everybody just wants to keep me talking at it.

By the end of those by that third by Saturday noon when we wrap up. My voice will be my voice isn't all that good right now. So it's really gonna be a mess by them. So anyway want to get this program in because I.

Am.

Absolutely astounded at What has happened in the just couple days in the in Saturday night.

Sunday and.

Through today and I'm sure I've missed some stuff I've seen. I've seen rich quoting some stuff that I just simply haven't had the time or the energy once I got here and got set up. To even go track down from Layton flowers but I I I'm a little astonished at.

What happened in the debate on Saturday afternoon in? Tullahoma, Tennessee. For those who do not know I did the third of the five debates. Oh, by the way, there's my nope shirt I needed to make sure see.

I told the fellow in Tullahoma I would wear the t-shirt, but I would always wear underneath something else because Men should not wear t-shirts after age 25. Just not right. Anyway, just t-shirts. You can wear a t-shirt underneath something else, but.

Yes, the nope program. Nope. I have a friend who criticizes me for saying. Nope to him all the time and. But I do that purposely just to drive him crazy. I do a lot of things purposely to drive that particular individual crazy because it's fun to do.

We have one of the most amazingly weird relationships. Exists primarily electronically, but we see each other yearly and it just sort of continues on and he's a dear brother and it's great but anyway, I Say nope to him all the time.

I've just never had anything happen. Like what has happened over the past 48 hours. I've thought back over the debates.

And.

You know when. When we had the don't quote me bro incident with Dan Barker. You know when he literally appealed to the moderator to stop me in the middle of my presentation. Because I was quoting from his own published works.

Yeah, but I didn't present that here.

Wow.

Clear evidence that he realized that what he was selling in the foyer of the church was a bunch of really. Yeah, that was that was a good one. But in this instance What happened? Is that we had a debate with Jason Bretta.

Now Jason Bretta is a nice guy. Much better looking than I am that's for sure. Well spoken and that was a step up from the year before where we had Thomas Ross who just talked so fast that it was Obvious to everyone in the audience.

He didn't care that they were there. Jason Bretta was trying to communicate to the audience and Not do the FedEx talking guy thing so that was improvement from the year before.

But.

The problem is that from a debate perspective and I don't know if our Debate coach friend is going to review this or if he could even survive reviewing this particular debate from a Official debate perspective.

There really wasn't one. It was pretty much on the same level argument wise as the Steve Tassi debate.

I.

Predicted what was gonna happen. We had been told that The provisionists and especially Layton flowers who attended part of the conference anyways And was there to support Jason Bretta, I do have a cough button there.

I just turn it on and off. I'll try to remember do as much as I can That they had been Funneling what they considered would be the best way of argument arguing to Jason Bretta and So I predicted that there would be a lot of David Allen stuff.

If you talked anything about the specific audiences mentioned in Scripture The church the sheep so like that then you'd get the standard David. Oh, what does it mean? It's only them and So I expected all that I knew.

Problem was my opening presentation Could have been completely predicted If they had wanted to do so. It's interesting after the debate I think Here this morning or last night I actually Went. How much space did I spend in the Potter's freedom on?

Hebrews 7 8 9 10 Especially 7 24 25 Romans 8. I Couldn't remember. I wrote it almost a quarter of a century ago. And I don't go back and necessarily read these things over and over again so I popped open an electronic copy that I have and If you watch the debate and it'll be posted fairly quickly.

I do have the audio. I asked for the audio so we can establish exactly what was said because there has been a controversy that has arisen but it'll all be out there very soon and If you watch the debate you will see that in my opening statement, I do not have any notes.

I am simply using my my Johnny Cash legacy standard Bible and I am making a Biblically based presentation Of what I've said over and over and over again Trinitarian harmony the gospel Specifically.

The idea.

That the Father the Son the Spirit are Working in perfect harmony with one another to accomplish the exact same end.

And.

That.

The relationship Between the sacrificial work of Christ as high priest and His intercessory work as high priest All of which is a part of his mediatorship.

That.

Though the ones for whom Christ intercedes before the Father the same ones for whom he died That if you say that he died for a different group than those from whom he Intercedes and that's what Jason brother was saying.

He's he actually said at one point That Christ's intercessory work does not begin until a person believes and So it's our believing that enables Christ to intercede Rather than there being rather than you following the high priestly paradigm in regards to who Christ tones for and Who he then intercedes for.

So I Pretty much split my time between Romans 8 Golden chain then courtroom scene God's elect Who shall separate us? Walk through there. And of course on this program. We've done that many times for we've done that in response to David Allen.

We've taken his most scholarly articles and Materials and have walked through them and refuted them directly On this program and Walked through them in depth. So that's what I did.

Now.

That would mean that After the opening statement and Bretta's opening statement was almost completely devoid of biblical content it was very much a David Allen Disputing what the reform view of the atonement is.

This is all stuff from Tony The guy that gave all the material to David Allen back when David Allen was tasked with dealing with the reform doctrine of The atonement, what was that 2010 at the John 316 conference, whatever year that was same stuff.

I Could recognize a lot of that stuff in his opening statement it It did not present a coherent Perspective and it was nowhere near exegetically based at all and so you immediately have this contrast between the two and In fact if you Watch the clock I think we had was it 10 minute or 15 minute rebuttals.

May have been. They've been 2015. Whatever it was. I didn't use all my rebuttal time. I didn't have anything to rebut. I mean I went back over certain basic statements, but There hadn't been a coherent compelling Counter argument presented there been scatter shots here there and everywhere, but as Far as actually interacting with a position.

Well, what was I supposed to do or say so? When we get to the rebuttal his rebuttal this is where he should be dealing with my positive presentation. He should be dealing with Romans 8 he should be dealing with Hebrews.

No, what he had done is He presented this Never heard of before never ever heard of so it is isn't his opening. He spends a bunch of time Asserting that the Jews are the primary audience of Romans 1 through 8 and then it shifts to the Gentiles and I'm like The what Jewish Christians or Jews as a whole because there's all sorts of stuff in Romans About where the Jews are referred to in Romans 1 through 8 the Jews are referred to in third person not second person.

So Romans 3 1, you know, what advantage has the Jews?

Is.

Asked by Paul if he's addressing the Jews Then what advantage has the Jew or what value. What is the value of circumcision. Great? No respect. First of all that they were in trust with the oracles of God, so Is that a different.

Are those different Jews? Then the believing Jews in Rome and. And behind all this was well, you know after The expulsion of the Jews beginning of problems around 1851 and the the Jews are coming back and there's all this speculation about what Jews are returning and stuff like this.

I'm just going what is this. And the only thing I could come up with was that he's basically saying that when we get to Romans 8 and It's talking about who should bring a charge against God's like he even said that's primarily about the Jews.

And I'm like what what I mean, I've just never heard this before not I don't know of it in any meaningfully Orthodox commentary on Romans or Anything like it at all. This is addressed the church at Rome.

The whole point of Saying for example in Romans chapter 3 there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God is to say there is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles. All stand equally condemned before the bar of God.

That's what Romans 1 2 in the beginning of 3 is all about.

And.

So, I mean I'm sitting here going. Am I really hearing this. It is the level of desperation? So deep That you'd be willing to Fundamentally disconnect Romans. From the purpose that has been understood down through the centuries in regards to here Paul is writing to the church at Rome and This is as it's been described by many people and beginning their commentaries on Romans.

It's the gospel according to Paul. It is let's lay this all out and let's send it to the church. Where if they have it in their possession? Because of all the correspondence the Militarily governmentally Economically all roads lead to Rome and hence all roads lead from Rome as well.

And that means if you have a sound Church there in Rome then what's there is gonna filter out and.

So.

I'm sitting here. I mean, I honestly I'm going what is being said here because there wasn't he wasn't exegetically. Disputing he's saying. Oh, you're just starting from the wrong foundation. So he's doing.

He's bringing in an overarching claim that's not derived from the text, but it's meant to change the meaning of the text and I've seen this many many times before. It's what Joseph Smith did it's what Charles Taze Russell did.

It's what LMG white did. This is how cults start. This is how cults defend.

Their.

Rejection of certain biblical doctrines. And so I'm sitting here going so are you literally. Is he literally saying in his opening that Romans 8? Can't make these kind that you can't make this kind of application.

Because this is only being addressed to the Jews. And so I get my rebuttal and I'm like, this is one of the most dangerous things I've ever heard. What what?

What?

So the spirit only intercedes intercedes for For Jewish Christians With groanings cannot be uttered. Sorry. I've got the windows open and I'm maybe in some area where this all sorts of stuff Really getting at me or it's just simply the same stuff I've had for eight weeks now.

Um, I just Really trying to figure it out. What's what's going on? So when he gets back up? Oh, no. No, there's there's stuff That's applicable to Gentiles. Well Please give us a consistent hermeneutical principle whereby you will be able to determine what is For the Jews and what is for the Gentiles and what's for both and you're not gonna get anything like that so he gets up in the rebuttal and He does not rebut any of the exegesis in Romans 8 he just simply says over archingly Well, it's about Jews and it's like I hadn't even spent half of my opening statement in Hebrews It just it just doesn't even get touched.

It's like it's like I I had spoken in tongues and no one had any idea what I said. There was there was no Rebuttal on his part of my opening statement. So on any scholastic debate ground The debate was pretty much over at that point if you do not even try to make a Good effort a good faith effort to refute what the other side is saying in their main points If you just try to ignore that they're there The Debates pretty much done at that point.

So we get to The cross-examination period which wasn't nearly long enough, but even then Once I got to a certain point I almost felt like going so much for that why are we even bothering with this? So we get to cross-examination and we're I ask questions first and If you watched The purgatory debate for example Which had twice the amount of cross-examination that we had in this debate What I want to do and what I've done in debate after debate after debate I want to get into the text of Scripture and I want to Press my opponent to be consistent in handling Scripture and to illustrate when they're not because if we're debating then my assumption is They're not actually deriving their their beliefs from Scripture.

They if they're not Christians obvious that's the case if they're In some way shape, you know dealing with Roman Catholicism. They have other authorities Things like that. I want to get into the text of Scripture and to demonstrate the inconsistency of their own handling of Scripture and so We talked a little bit about Romans 8 at first.

I was trying to again asking questions about where do you get this stuff about this is only the Jews and.

And.

Then I started talking about intercession and I went to Hebrews 7 and so Let's Listen to this. I'm gonna play the section. Because this is where all the controversy has come up. That this was an absurd question to ask.

I was asking about an obscure text. And that you shouldn't expect someone to be able to give an answer in a debate to a question like this. Literally, that's what was said. So let's see if I can make this work, right?

And let's listen to what what took place in Hebrews chapter 7. Did I did I miss while I was taking notes on did I miss your response to Hebrews 7 8 9 and 10 or did you choose not to address it?

No, I didn't. It's not that I didn't choose to address it, but. But I think that if you if I'm coming from the position that the intercession the intercessory work is not I understand the the logic and the consistency that you want to have within the systematic in which you hold to and so I do like.

You know want to say like that's good that you want to be consistent in the theology in which you have but I don't see. But we're working off of a different foundation. So if if Jesus from eternity past if God did decree that there is a condition that needs to be met and that condition is faith and he's given Us the ability of the will to then exercise faith on Christ which is not a work then we then through Christ are now redeemed because we have met that condition and So he was the whole argument that you that you want to you're going on and on and on.

Please just answer my questions. Hebrews 7 25 says. Therefore he is able to save forever those who draw near to God through him since he always lives to make intercession for them. Do you see a Connection between the giving of intercession and the accomplishment of saving.

Ponte less to the uttermost or forever.

The way that you're connecting it. No, no.

Okay, then please look look at Hebrews 7 25 and Exegete that verse for me. Tell me tell me how. Why the first part of the sentence is not connected to the last part of the sentence? Yeah, okay now. There's the question I asked.

I had just asked him and I'm gonna play his response. But I think people need to understand. And if you're not looking at the text, I think it would be wise if you did Hebrews 7 24 through 25 and.

I.

Let me see if I can.

Yeah, there we go.

Let me switch over this let me see it not not the still. Yeah, the one side is a lot bigger, but I can point to stuff. So I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and use it and I really doubt this is gonna work.

But hey. Look at that. It covers half of what I want, but I can scroll up on that. Uh.

So.

It's speaking of Christ and his having his priesthood. Right. Here is the term upper Abbot on. But since he but since this one abides forever. Upper Abbot on a kite ain. Here was here. He here rose Sunain.

He holds his priesthood.

I.

Said three times what you're trying not to cough. He holds his priesthood upper Abbot on without a successor now the day before the day before. Yes, I had spoken and I went through some of this stuff.

I Went into more depth in some areas in the debate and less depth and those. Excuse me his priesthood is unlike the priesthood of the Aaronic priests. Because they're kept by death from continuing but he holds his priesthood.

It can be translated permanently or without successor. I went into some of the detail the day before this is relevant to the Mormons and their claim the Melchizedek priesthood and all that stuff. But verse 25 is what I was focusing on.

Hence.

He is able So design ice top on. Tell us do not I. He is able to save a Particular group the ones drawing near through him to God.

In.

That he's always living. Zone ice taught with an infinitive Very common in Paul.

I.

Don't think that this particular. You know, my theory is Paul preached this in Hebrew and Luke wrote down in Greek. I start with the infinitive. Why is he able to save forever or to the uttermost. Because He ever lives to make intercession.

Who pair our tone, I'm sorry, I left that up there who pair our tone for them. So the intercession is for a specific people. It is not universal. I would argue that the intercession of the high priest is identical to the audience of the sacrifice of the high priest performs and if you if you're gonna say That the high priest intercedes for a different group Than those for whom the sacrifice is made then you have to prove that.

You can't just assert it. You've got to prove it. I've never seen anybody even try. So my question that I asked you here, you know, I understand. Cross examination debates are moving along. Good clip.

You.

Have to think on your feet you you've got to hear what's being said. You sort of have to be anticipating and You've got to know the subject well enough to know that where the questions are coming from.

But.

This is a verse.

He.

He went after John Owen accused him of isa Jesus. I've had to disagree with John Owen on a few points but man you do so with fear and trepidation if you know what you're doing and I have no reason to believe.

All due respect to Jason Brett as a nice guy. He can't read Greek he does not know the language and He has documented.

His.

Less than first semester. Understanding of. Fundamentally basic things that John Owen knew when he was a teenager.

Okay.

So he's got no ground at all to be accusing or to even substantiate an accusation against Owen. Anyway, so here was the question. You heard me. You heard me say verse 25 he is able to save Pantelis forever to the uttermost.

What's the relationship? between Christ's intercession and. You'll you'll notice this is verse 25 over here. This is a sentence diagram. Not my sentence diagram. Let us put myself down in the little corner down there.

It might help if I did yeah now we don't have that in the way. So I'm down the corner now and that's and I'm little teeny tiny down there and that's fine. Here are the this these sentence diagrams are.

I don't I didn't do these. Okay. So don't don't try to say oh you just did that so it supports your position. No, this is this is a resource you can purchase in accordance. It's and you can buy it in Lagos in a number of different resources and.

Not every sentence diagram is going to end up being identical because there are interpretive elements in it. But this is somebody else's.

And.

Most people can't read sentence diagrams and I can assure you that Jason Breda cannot read this sentence diagram either. Again you'd be just no. We go back and listen to the hours we did. Where he's saying the Greek proves Calvin isn't wrong and it's like no you don't know Greek and you're wrong about what you're saying.

And you're confused about the subjunctive and you don't know what a present tense verb is and there's just all sorts of stuff here.

Um.

Here is verse 25. And I wish we still taught this stuff in school. I hope all you home schooling moms and stuff are teaching your kids to sentence sentence diagram because they may hate it now. But they will thank you at a time in the future.

So therefore he Christ Dunatai is able to do what well the the direct Object he is able so design to save. Even unto the uttermost. Modifying phrase that goes with that and then here you have who is he able to save the ones drawing near through him to God.

So here's the first part of the sentence is Here but then you have the second part as A and this is this is what my question was. How does this part? Relate to this part and specifically how does zone ponta day?

Always living ice tall with the infinitive. To intercede. Who pair our tone. Now our tone is Wrapping up. What's right here. Those drawing near to God through him. So the other ones that are he is interceding for but what is it about this.

That is related to this ability to save ice top Ponte less. Okay now. This was central to my assertion. This was central to my opening statement. This is central to what Owen has said. This is central to what I wrote in in Potter's freedom.

If you're going to debate me on this topic and you've had months to prepare. Don't come back and say well, I didn't know you're gonna say what an obscure text is that? I'm sorry.

It's.

The diet it's it's in print folks. It's documented electronically in print whatever else you want. It's right there and I've already posted on Twitter what I wrote in in Potter's freedom. I post on Twitter just one example.

From the death of death and death of Christ John Owen. I think it was pages somewhere between 30 and 32. So it's early on in the book. So this isn't some hidden thing. If you're gonna debate this topic, you have to be prepared to deal with this.

It's been presented in the opening statement. If you cannot deal with the positive sides opening statement you lose the debate. It doesn't matter what else you say. It doesn't matter what else you throw out.

If you cannot respond to their argumentation you lose the debate. That's how it works. And. So the question was the question literally was. Because you could you could argue there's sort of a semi break after priesthood at the end of verse 24.

But.

This this the sentence that Forms verse 25. I'm asking what's the relationship between the first part and the second part? It's pretty straightforward pretty straightforward and My argument is he is able to save to the uttermost.

Because he ever lives to make intercession for them the intercessory work of the high priest Enables him to save to the uttermost and that means his work as the high priest is in behalf of. Who pair hamon those for whom he is interceding?

You see he Jason's got backwards he says our faith then allows Christ to intercede for us. The reality is his intercession for father is what saves us. It's not our fulfilling conditions and that we've fulfilled a condition now He can intercede for us.

The condition is that we are in him. They're the ones we are the only ones who draw near to God through him because we have been united with him. There really isn't any Concept within provisionism of the reality of our union with Christ in The reality of his death we only become united with Christ when we believe.

So again, it's always from time. Trying to extend up to look at what happens in heaven rather than recognizing. There is the eternal and there is the temporal we experience in time. Only that which reflects what has been done in reality in eternity.

So I was united with Christ before I existed and If God does not have a divine decree and perfect knowledge of the future that that's a absurd statement. But scripture plain teaches he does. And so the you the elect were united with Christ in his death.

My name is graven on his hands. Don't sing that song if you're a provisionist. No provisionist can sing before the throne of God can't do it. You're lying, and you know it can't do it. You don't believe your name was great when I was in.

So.

This verse Needs to be understood you need to be able to explain Because I had presented this as Being vital to then transitioning into new covenant new better mediator better promises chapter 8 Forgiveness of sins right law upon the heart into chapter 9.

He enters into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption. Chapter 10 once for all. No longer have a reminder of sins instead. We have a reminder of the sin-bearer. We are perfected by the one will rather than the preceding will.

The one sacrifice of Christ. I mean, this is it's the gospel and This is really the longest Continuous contiguous Section in all of Scripture that talks about the atoning work of Christ. There isn't anything Longer than what you have in the book of Hebrews.

Which I've argued is why most people don't have a biblical doctrine of atonement. They have an emotional doctrine of atonement Because Hebrews is not the favorite book of a whole lot of evangelicals today.

So there you've got the background. There's there you see it.

Um.

There we go and turn that off, uh, there we go, um. Now you know you got the background right? Okay, and I need to Unmaximize that screen so I can get back to the Whatever program I was using to play the audio.

So I have now Asked him what's the relationship between the first part of the sentence and the last part of the sentence. I Said give us your interpretation. Give us your exegesis. Because he he had said I don't see the connection that you see.

Well now we all see it. We see it in the grammar. We see it in the sentence diagram. We see it in the language. Okay. So what are we gonna do with that now? Well, let's let's listen to.

What happened? Well, I I don't think I would be able to do the proper justice like today to do that. But what I'd love to do is to return to that at a later point in time and do a proper exegesis. I'd be glad to do that.