Aug. 12, 2015 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “Marks of Biblically Faithful Preaching #2” & Tom Conway on “Marks of Biblically Faithful Eschatology”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. Listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arntz and your host of iron sharpens. Iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 12th day of August 2015 very excited about today's program not only because of the content of the subject matter But because we're also promoting a very important conference that starts tomorrow in Maine in Portland, Maine and for any of our listeners who live in Portland, Maine or if you know of someone in Portland, Maine.

Or if you have the opportunity to travel to Portland, Maine, I hardly I heartily urge you to do so. This is going to be held August 13th through the 15th In Portland, Maine and the theme of the conference is fellowship preaching and singing that center on the glory of God.

That's from Thursday, August 13th through Saturday, August 15th, and we hope that as many of you as possible can attend this and the website to go to. For more information on this conference is I'll be honest calm that's I'll be honest calm and You will be able to find the information by clicking on browse and you will eventually get to the actual conference data the The website once again is I'll be honest calm and there's no apostrophe in the ILL so it's I'll be honest calm, but speaking at this conference are my two guests today and One of them is a return guest that I'm very excited to continue a discussion with that is Pastor Mac Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

And he is going to be discussing marks of biblically faithful preaching. We already began this discussion with Pastor Mac a number of weeks ago and we Basically did not continue. We did not complete everything that we wanted to discuss on this very vital subject after Mac is Completed with his interview the second hour We will have on the program for the very first time pastor Tim Conway of Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas.

He's going to be talking about the the marks of biblically faithful eschatology, so there you have two very Important topics and very exciting topics the marks of biblically faithful preaching and the marks of biblically faithful eschatology.

But first, let me introduce to you our very first guest for the two-hour program Pastor Mac Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas. It's great to have you back in the program. Good afternoon, Chris.

Well the pleasure is all mine and I am looking forward to our discussion and I'm more than happy to promote a conference such as the one that you are involved in before we even get into the topic at hand marks of Biblically faithful preaching.

What can you tell us about this conference coming up the fellowship conference? New England in Portland, Maine this Thursday through Saturday.

Will be church on the website if you find it great.

Do you happen to know off the top of your head who from Long Island is coming because that's where I'm originally from. Do you know if they're from grace reform Baptist or hope reform Baptist, okay. Well, I'm very happy to promote this conference.

I'm always happy to promote conferences when I know that the men conducting them are Biblically sound and that would follow that the subjects would be as well. And the content of the subjects so go to I'll be honest calm.

I'll be honest calm and keep in mind. There's no apostrophe in the word aisle and Click on the browse button and you can get all the topics the speakers Etc. And it actually the when you click on browse the very last option is fellowship conference when you go to 2015.

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Powerless Preaching and the Whole Counsel of God

Today, we're going to be talking About a subject that we already began the marks of biblically faithful preaching and One of the things that we did not really address or at least we didn't address as fully as you wanted to the last time.

Is the idea of powerless preaching and you and I? Pastor Tomlinson. We are both Calvinists. Which is just a nickname. Of course we are both theologically reformed and another nickname and we believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace and you and I know that powerless preaching unfortunately is not totally foreign to our Fellowship of churches if you will and if you could comment on that.

That's a great line. Amen. Now going back to what I originally said in introducing the topic. Although our fellow reformed churches Would not be typically guilty of a Bible-less sermon or scripture lists sermons.

In fact the typical reformed sermons Calvinistic sermons if you will are filled with scripture typically. But can cannot they also be powerless if they are delivered as pure lectures filled with facts and There is no righteous indignation or compassion or fire present at all in what is being taught from the pulpit.

Absolutely, that's a danger.

Yes, I have the DVD series about Martin Lloyd-Jones of the same title. You know back in 1858. Now.

Don't you think that there's a danger that is often committed especially with the very popular televangelists and radio teachers. It's it's a shame that the most popular very often are the least biblical or least sound.

And You have Preachers like Joel Osteen for instance, and he's not the only one doing this. There may be even far more biblically sound men doing that. In fact there are. But The the danger in talking to your audience especially when it could be in the millions when you're talking about a televangelist like everybody who's listening is a child of God is a Christian and The concept of Romans 828 will be cut in half it will just be all things work together for the good and what will be left out is for those who love God and are the called according to his purpose.

And therefore you have These messages of encouragement and comfort at times or perhaps on the other end of the the spectrum for the more intellectual pastor biblical instruction given but the the.

Presentation is being conducted as if everybody listening is already born again. Isn't that a very serious danger if no presumption. Seem to preach the congregation his church every week. Who are unconverted?

Children church all their life and we can't ever forget that.

Don't you think of an important element of a Faithful minister's pulpit is to preach the whole counsel of God and to avoid hobby horsing.

Absolute easy to fall into the trap of the beauty of preaching books of the Bible. Preaching through a whole book or do any pository preaching is having to address God says in Scripture as you go through a section of Scripture.

Right, I I have been very blessed my entire Christian life and that all the churches that I have been a member of well actually, there's only been two my grace reform Baptist Church of Long Island and Now Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania but I've been so blessed by the preaching because the whole counsel of God is being preached and there is not a hobby horse where the concept of unconditional election is brought up every single Sunday or The limited atonement is not brought up every single Sunday.

And then of course you have the more independent fundamentalist type preachers who always hammer away at specifically worldly sins like the way people dress and the things that they watch on TV and the movies they go to and on and on and on and Very little other instruction is is heard from many of these pulpits.

And then of course on the other up in the opposite extreme of both of those you have as I mentioned before one of America's most popular preachers Joel Osteen Who who cannot be preaching the whole counsel of God if he's always smiling.

Isn't it? Isn't it impossible to preach the whole counsel of God and and always have a smile on your face. I Think that there must be something wrong with a pastor's pulpit ministry if no one is ever Upset when they leave that when they leave the building.

If they're always being encouraged and uplifted. There's got to be something wrong with the message. Not that as you said that that should be an element, especially for the true people of God. It would be an equal an equally but opposite error for them to constantly be pouring guilt and condemnation and Sorrow and grief and anger on the congregation, but this constant drumbeat of Your spirits should be lifted up and so on.

Isn't that obviously something is crucial missing? You can't have the good news Without the bad news, you can't really appreciate what the gospel is unless you know what the gospel is rescuing people from.

Correct. I May give our email address if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for pastor Mac Tomlinson on the marks of biblically faithful preaching. This is a live program for those of you who may have tuned in late and wrongly think that this is a rerun of a previous Message we are continuing a topic that we began a number of weeks ago.

So if you Want to ask a question of pastor Mac while we are still live For the next 35 minutes or so for his portion of the program our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com. Ch r is a r n z e n at gmail .com and Please include your first name your city and state.

And your country. If you're outside of the USA, I do already have a listener a CJ in Lyndon Hearst Long Island, New York. Who asks what do you make of the excuse given by some? Such as the aforementioned Joel Osteen and also a similar preacher before him Robert Shuler.

Who would say I know that there needs to be? The preaching of repentance and The the preaching against sin. But that is not my calling. Other men are called to do that I believe that I have been given a calling to preach an encouraging word to those who are in misery sadness or who are not fulfilling their potential as Christians, how do you that's a very good question because I have heard Both of those men say things like that that that it's their specific calling and what what if you could answer that question.

Well, the Apostle Paul teacher has a right to pick and choose what he wants to preach. If he if he's under divine authority if he is sent by God such men who say such things. They're sent By their own Desire sent by their own Preconceived ideas, but they're certainly not sent by God because reaching what the Bible says and.

Our email address again is Chris Ornson at gmail .com. Chris Ornson at gmail .com. One thing that I know is very near and dear to your heart is Christian literature good books. And you believe that there are a number of Good books that our listeners should be acquainted with.

That Would help guide them into really getting a grasp on what? Good biblical and biblically faithful Chris Preaching is and you did bring up some during our last program. Perhaps you have some others to add to the list that you didn't have a an opportunity to mention.

When are we previously discussed the same issue?

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Our email address if you have questions for Pastor Mac is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. One thing that I forgot to mention to you Pastor Mac before the break is That if you could put your cell phone on mute during the break if you want to talk.

Because we can hear you speaking during the station breaks. I'm sorry about that. So if you could just put your cell phone on mute during the station breaks if you are going to talk with someone. Oh, that's quite all right.

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That's very easy to remember obviously. Providence Denton org. Providence Denton dot o-r-g and We were discussing right before the break books that pastor Mac Tomlinson recommends for specific specifically that address the topic we are discussing marks of biblically faithful preaching and If you have any more feel free to mention some more.

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And one of the things that you and I have discussed off radio is the dangers of False preaching when people need to hear the truth. Perhaps the most and that's at funerals. Obviously you don't want to Add to the unnecessary grief of those who mourn By having a sermon filled with condemnation for the person who has passed away if they did not know Christ.

But isn't there a danger of What we were just speaking about before In the first half hour of the program where you're treating everybody in the audience as if they're Christians.

And of course.

Lest anyone misunderstand you you you don't believe that you should dwell on the damned state of a Non-christian whose funeral they are gathered at because First of all you if you were not there when the person died You would not know for certain if that person didn't repent and so on.

So you're saying that the the state of the one who is dead is not really to be the issue at all when you're at a Non-christian funeral it's the message is for those who are still alive and have an opportunity to repent and believe correct.

One thing that conservative Christians conservative evangelicals have been known for for the last two centuries is Songs and sermons of great patriotism and love and Thanks for the nation that we live in.

Is that really wise to have a consistent? message like that when we see our nation departing so far away from the the truth of the scriptures and You know we see things like same-sex marriage being legalized and so on.

I mean I'm not saying that we should not be patriotic. But can we be so overly patriotic that it becomes an idol. This country can become an idol.

What is your opinion about the.

The the style we went we went into this. Somewhat the last time you were on regarding the homiletics issue and the style and manner and the art of preaching. But there are some people who dislike a pastor or a preacher because he is overly loud and there are others who dislike a preacher because they think he is overly soft and it never seems to have any righteous and Indignation is is that a significant issue?

Should there be a balance of both? Bold and loud words with gentle and soft ones or is this just. Is this just? Relegated to the the issue of a person's own voice and personality.

Righteously. Indignant. They were both criticized for how they came across. One group said thinking about John eating or drinking and. So they had one criticism of him, but then they said about Jesus.

He came eating and so both of them were criticized or they're really different. The importance is the truth. It's not having said that though if a man.

Has such a manner of preaching or teaching where he seems to be totally devoid of any compassion where he Is is delivering a message that may even contain the truth. But as didn't but but as doing so in an indifferent way.

Where he doesn't really seem to care Is doesn't that isn't that a sign that that's not really his calling if he if he doesn't really demonstrate. But I know I'll give you an example. I know men who are soft-spoken men.

But you can see quite evidently that they are passionate about what they are preaching about if you follow what I'm saying.

Exactly, that's a great point.

Then of course on the other end of the spectrum you can be just as mundane or banal by always shouting from your very first word. When you rise up to the pulpit to the end of your sermon if you're always shouting it becomes like a Somebody's car alarm going off.

You're not even listening to it anymore. It's background noise. And if you're if you're not Accentuating the the important parts of the sermon with your loudness and everything even the those things that are far less Important urgent or serious are being shouted about as well then it's it's all going to be a blur just as if a man was droning in a the voice of a college professor.

Usually at the rock point and I think he's really preaching good. Nothing's further from the truth. I'm passionate preaching if men get loud Natural it's going to seem real. It's not going to seem to be a performance.

It's not going to be worked up. Nothing is more. This take ought to be authentically from the Holy Spirit through that man and.

Historically, what what happens when there's preaching during a true revival? Obviously we have to emphasize a true revival because there are there are churches that every time They have a sermon preached.

It's a revival meeting or if they have a special event under a tent somewhere That's open to the community or what-have-you. It's always referred to as a revival meeting of some kind. I'm talking about a true revival like those that have happened in England and In Wales and here in the United States over the centuries.

What what what is really happening in the preaching there?

Well, if you could in in one minute or so.

Maybe 90 seconds. Give our listeners what you most want etched on their hearts and minds before they leave this broadcast today.

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Well, thank you so much for a wonderful interview brother and once again Pastor Mac Tomlinson's website for Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas is Providence Denton org Providence Denton dot o RG and he will be speaking at the conference being held in Portland, Maine this Thursday Friday and Saturday and All of the details can be found at I'll be honest calm.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Lawrence, and if you've just tuned us in.

The last hour we had the privilege of interviewing pastor Mac Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas on the subject the marks of biblically faithful preaching and today for the second hour We are very excited to announce for the very first time our guest pastor Tim Conway.

And he is the pastor of Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas. He is going to be speaking on the theme marks of biblically faithful eschatology and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron for the very first time pastor Tim Conway.

Yes, I'm looking forward to this discussion and of course People who know me know that I would never Hear the end of it if I didn't make some kind of a Carol Burnett joke, but anyway. Or Harvey Korman or what have you.

But because of your name Tim Conway, but perhaps one day We can have you and pastor Steve Martin another reformed Baptist to a conference together. Be kind of interesting. But you two both you and pastor Mac Tomlinson are both going to be speaking starting tomorrow at the the conference there in Portland, Maine and If you could let our listeners know something about it for those of our listeners who did not hear pastor Mac Tomlinson During the first hour.

We did announce the fact that this Thursday Friday and Saturday that's starting tomorrow the fellowship conference New England is being held in Portland, Maine and The theme is fellowship preaching and singing that center on the glory of God if you could.

Perhaps tell our listeners what you specifically will be speaking on. I think I probably will do a message on the second looking at Matthew chapter 11. And then I've got try to be guided by the Lord as to what I'm pastor myself.

Mac Tomlinson Jesse Barrington the four of us will be preaching.

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And Today we are talking as I mentioned already The marks of biblically faithful eschatology, there is no issue that I'm aware of. That so sharply divides evangelical Christians. Next to music it would I would certainly think it would be the end times because this not only divides people of Polar opposite theologies or doctrine, but it even divides people.

It's very often in the same pew at a church or within the same denomination or fellowship and I Know that you are very concerned with the direction that some ministries have taken on eschatology. First of all, why don't you give our listeners a definition of eschatology?

Eschatology engagement day the end the nature of the future of the church. Many like to talk about the future of the nation of Israel a millennium and.

The the things that have really set apart The amillennial view from the other views is that it is rarely sensationalized or rarely becomes a dominant part of The pulpit ministry of the churches that that hold to it.

I'm not saying that all post-millennialists or premillennialists whether a historic or dispensational I'm not saying that they all do that. I know some very dear brethren in Christ who are even Calvinistic who are dispensationalist or postmillennial and They do not Hobby horse on eschatology, but it seems to be that the danger that has occurred probably For quite a long time now.

I was going to say a more recent date than when I started to think about it. I mean you're really even talking about the 19th century with the rise of Some of the cults and so on but that can be a very warped Way of presenting the truth of the word is when you hobby horse on eschatology.

Canon are not dealing with it and he would show me Lordship like wait, where is that? Unlike things like the Trinity where the word may not be found. The concept is everywhere. When he got into eschatology suddenly I was saying and I had to go just seem like I was not fine.

It sounded to me to deal with this and I felt like you know It's not true the ecology when rightly understood a thing that.

My church now having said what you you said about it the importance of eschatology. Don't you think it can be very dangerous as we have seen? When people use Eschatology as a test of fellowship. You will be declared a heretic if you do not agree with someone's eschatology and you have people being slandered as being liberal or being Spiritualizers who do not take anything in the scriptures literally you have a lot of Attacking going on amongst brethren who made believe identically in all other ways.

They might even be as I said earlier. They could be five-point Calvinists. They could be Even theologically reformed which obviously would rule out the dispensationalist, but they may be Very strongly post-millennial or even historic pre-mill, but but you You have this this extreme Sectarian spirit sometimes when it comes to eschatology can't that be also a danger especially when you are You are cutting off fellowship over an issue that many great men of God Who are our heroes of the faith today disagreed on the issue, you know?

I asked her. McCartney responded with a message called we will not biology. But that needs to be the form our if we go wrong.

Now I wanted you to clarify something because of your comments about the rapture and especially the word not being in the scriptures I want to make sure that you have opportunity to differentiate differentiate yourself.

And set yourself apart from hyper preterism or full preterism. That that believes everything that has been written in the pages of the Bible has been fulfilled. There is no future Resurrection where the Saints will be caught up in the air with Christ and all that type of thing that we see in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians first of the Thessalonians chapter 4 where you have the picture of those things that are going to happen.

At the return of Christ your your beef if you will is with a secret rapture, correct? That's right. That's right.

Your chapter 24 made made. I do not believe a general 25.

Then you believe that the return of Christ will be visible and physical.

Do you know that we have to look forward to. It does seem like there's. That would be one of the primary Reasoning that Jesus. Now you have.

Since you have already stated that you are all millennial you have people especially from dispensationalist backgrounds who will say that you take the Bible. Figuratively you have a very flawed or dangerous hermeneutic.

But isn't the fact of the matter is that? The historical grammatical Method of hermeneutics is not something that is exclusively the the backyard of dispensationalism.

Well and go back to John MacArthur again. He he has actually stated that you will never get your acting John the Baptist and. Yet, so let's want to read more into that that actually looks like a low way to understand her.

But when the ox we find a reality. And so I just think New Testament where we get this whole taking the Old Testament and actually.

No, no, you go ahead.

It is real and say that Israel has entitlement to more properly read the New Testament. We say no way. We're not.

Yes, that's not a small thing, right? And so you're not. You're not taking the Bible. Figuratively in all ways or spiritually you're taking it in. You're seeking to take it in context. And according to what the author of any particular text intended by it.