Galatians 6

Galatians 6 and Boasting in the Cross

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Here is James white.

And good morning. Good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona. Believe it or not We have in the forecast for Thursday. I was just listening to the radio and they confirmed it.

We have in the forecast for Thursday. No, let it snow. Let it snow. Snow now, of course, we live in the desert in Phoenix and the ground is always so hot here That it's a it'll it'll. Any good stick but they say they say even a camelback might have snow on it.

Yeah Thursday morning.

In fact, they're saying all the mountains around the valley here will have snow and it's gonna be really hard for me to resist riding Up South Mountain to see that. That would be interesting, right? Yes, you could borrow my mountain bike.

But but the roads the roads wouldn't have. Yeah. Well, man, they might be a little slick might even be frozen.

Oh, that'd be cool. Like black ice. Oh now that would be fun coming up.

Couple those turns. You wouldn't you wouldn't hit a boulder for 400 feet till.

Smack. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, it's good. It's it's I've I only but would you would you say it was 1990?

I believe the last Recollection I have of a snow where it actually in Phoenix snowed in downtown Phoenix and actually stuck a little. Stuck a little but define stuck a little the ground turned white for a bit.

How long is a bit like? But I believe it was like December 22nd 1990 the company I was working for at the time a bunch of guys went out You know all these sales and they got to be entrepreneurs. So they had a whole bunch of t-shirts printed up and brought him back in.

Yes, and the teachers t-shirts said I survived the blizzard of Phoenix. Yeah, right, right.

Yeah, I remember I remember driving up someone's house on New Year's Eve at some point in the past 30 years and there were there was snow in my headlights. I remember seeing the snow coming across the headlights which is for us an amazing thing for many people listening to this are going.

Oh boy, you people really don't get out much. But that's just you know, you live in a desert. That's what other way. I mean 74 and Christmas. It was 74 stinging degrees went outside. It was you know, if you had stuck one of those horrible Christmas sweaters on you almost died.

So yeah, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a big one. And my concern is where is this storm going? Because a few days later I have to fly to Kentucky via Chicago and.

I'm just sort of wondering if I'm gonna get anywhere. I don't know that they can predict that with this one. It's doing this weird turn and it's like coming out of the the Pacific. It all comes out of the Gulf of Alaska.

Well, yeah, but this one's kind of dipped low and then it's doing this kind of a an arch over, California and then it's Dipping right down dead on for Phoenix. Huh? Who knows what it's gonna do after that.

I've never seen a storm that I can recollect do that. I just hope I make it to the Plymouth's class. That's all it cuz.

They they did they did it the cheapest way possible via American and it goes through Chicago. I'm worried about that. I Don't want to sleep in the Chicago Airport or get snowed into the Chicago Airport or anything else like that.

That would really be Unfun. So anyhow, I really wasn't gonna start the program off with that. But it's a pretty unusual weather event for us and I'm sort of looking forward to seeing snow on the peaks around.

The Cross of Christ and the World’s Hatred

We do live in a valley. So it will be rather visible. Galatians chapter 6 by the way, the phone number is 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 dividing dot line via Skype dividing dot line 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 the standard old phone line way if you want to go that direction.

Galatians chapter 6. Paul having completed writing to the churches in Galatia in the strongest language possible. In a way that communicates certainly to me. I Can read Galatians and compare it with Ephesians or Romans and the person who wrote Galatians is is in a hurry is emotional is is Involved in his topic in a very strong way.

Having gone through all of that Paul says in Galatians chapter 6 see with what large letters. I'm writing to you with my own hand. Which Some people have interpreted that. Like the King James says see how large a letter I've written on to use my own hand.

So. But some feel that he did not use an amanuensis for Galatians. That is he did not dictate this. He wrote with his own hand because it was so important or maybe maybe he couldn't wait for somebody that could do it properly.

I don't know what the reasons would be but That's how they interpret that it is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh. Who would force you to be circumcised and only in order that? They may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ for even.

And it's that's such a strong strong language that is used there. It's amazing to me. In order that they may not be persecuted across. These are people who claim to be Christians. These are people who were who were perverting the gospel.

Who would force the believers to be circumcised? So that they would not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. For even those who are circumcised about themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

But Paul then gives the proper apostolic balance to this. He says but far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. By which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world.

Galatians 614 is a verse that as we would stand outside the Mormon temple in Mesa. Or in Salt Lake City back when we did that outreach every six months to the well. It was every year in Mesa, but every six months in Salt Lake City.

Many times the young Mormon people would come up to us and we might have a cross on our lapel or around our neck. Or there might be a cross on the track. We were passing out or something like that. And and you may have noticed that Mormon Ward chapels and temples don't have crosses on them and You'd get the same sort of pat answer.

But it was it was an objection that they all really felt seriously about and and that was you know, if your son was killed By someone who murdered him with a knife, would you would you have a knife around your neck?

If if your son was executed in electric chair, would you have an electric chair on your neck? And They really did not understand The role of the cross because the cross is not central in in Mormon theology even the fact that they begin the atonement in the Garden of Gethsemane the fact that Joseph Smith taught that Animal sacrifices would be reinstituted during the millennial period and the priesthood concepts and and of course Mormonism is just just utter collapse on the doctrine of sin.

Leads to well, you know that that theology thing really matters and it leads to certain ramifications and This would be the text that we would often respond with Galatians 614. But far be it from me or as the King James says but God forbid even though it's hardly a May it never be may Genoita is the Greek term.

May it never be. That I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ by which the world has been crucified to me and I to.

The world.

Now, why do I start the program off this way? Well Since I will be gone next week and I'm gone most of the week after that At the Southern Founders Conference Which by the way will include a debate at the Southern Founders Conference on the Free will of man specifically the bondage of the will or the freedom of the will we're gonna Redo the Luther Erasmus debate, I guess but Since I'm gonna be gone a lot.

I'm really trying to you know pile on the miles. This week sort of make up for that so that I don't get too far behind in my goals and things like that. So this morning I was writing I was listening to This lengthy Series 18 hour series a little over halfway through it.

I am listening to it at high speed help some but an 18 hour series guiding to Allah which is a Seminar by Muhammad Ashraf from the Almagrib Institute on the subject of Dawa Fika Tawa the the understanding of how to call people to Islam and so far it's Primarily not not totally it's starting to change now, but the first number of CDs was all on marketing what colors to use in your flyers and how to name things and it was very much like what you would expect to see and Seeker friendly churches and things like that though.

There's a theological reason here as well. That is interesting hopefully I'll expand upon sometime in the future, but Today at a certain point in the ride this morning because we have the dividing line the morning had to keep it a fairly short Ride is 25 miler.

At one point and I don't think I'll ever forget where this was. He was talking about how? Muslims should not attack other missile Muslims, even if they think that the other Muslims are doing things that are wrong in the sense of innovation or heresy or what's called bid 'ah bid 'ah in Arabic is innovation is something that is not found in the Sunnah.

It is something that you shouldn't do because the the companions of the Prophet or the problem self and the Hadith did not command you to do these things and He was talking about how these imams in Saudi Arabia where he studied in Medina Would not condemn various groups in the West.

They would you know people come to that while they're doing this bid 'ah and they're doing that bid 'ah. Should we boycott them and you go? No, you shouldn't. Oh, but buddy mom. They're doing this my shake.

They're doing this. No, you shouldn't and He was saying well think about I mean, I mean The West is a place of Dawa the West is a place where you're calling to Islam it's not like Saudi Arabia, which is an Islamic state and so if you have two groups doing Dawa and one is Calling to Sunni Islam and and one has bid 'ah in it and is but it's still calling you to say la ilaha illa la.

Then.

Don't attack them and here is the argument. Here's what here's what he said. This is what I I think I will probably always remember because it really struck me. He said because if you if you attack that other group at least if they're calling to Islam a Person who is guided by them Will have la ilaha illa la and bid 'ah.

But if you destroy their Dawa work and people are not called to Islam then they will die with a cross around their neck and.

I.

Heard that and I did not immediately think. Some of you saw the article that I put up on the blog sometime around Christmas before Christmas, I think. From Toronto Muslim, it's interesting. Muhammad Sharif is from that.

I think the very same mosque. Yeah, he's still calling you and His gmail address was cross hater and Refers to Christians as cross worshipers now. You've never seen me and will never see me kissing a cross or bowing before a cross or worshiping a cross Unlike seeing Muslims kissing a black stone at the Kaaba and Mecca.

But you.

You hear this type of terminology and You hear you you read the hadith where where Jesus is gonna return. He's gonna destroy the cross. He's gonna destroy the cross and you think about. As I've been listening to this particular series and I've been listening to other Audio series from this particular company that this I'm a good Institute and Iman rush audio and stuff like that.

Over and over again you get this same Indication from listening to Muslims speak in it and it really bothers me tremendously and That is when they when they talk about Christians doing dawah now dawah for Muslims is a combination of apologetics and evangelism.

It's a much wider term. Are you know? We tend to limit evangelism to just the proclamation of the gospel and yet when you live in Western countries It's sort of hard to do that without doing apologetics because there's so many objections and so on so forth.

But we've made lots of subcategories thing like that. It's just one big thing of dawah if you do a soccer camp and then talk about Islam that's dawah we call those evangelism projects things like that and when they talk about Christians and How Christians do dawah?

I've never heard a Muslim say that the Christians proclaim the Lordship of Christ over all things and Call you To obey Christ as Lord. I've never heard him said not once nobody ever. Now I haven't listened to everybody.

So maybe there's somebody out there, but you know what they normally how they normally put it How they normally put it is well, the Christians will invite you to accept Jesus. The Christians will invite you to accept Jesus and though they don't always Bring this up.

You can just sense that for the vast majority of them. It is such a That they not only have they interpreted it, but I think they've probably interpreted it correctly in most situations. It is such a.

Weak.

Thing. It's it's not a proclamation of power. It's not a proclamation that that the gospel is true That Jesus Christ is Lord and that every knee will bow. It's all about. Well, you know, it's all up to you and it's just struck me over and over and over again.

That.

Theology matters and here you hear it you hear the difference between proclaiming a sovereign God a Sovereign Lord a powerful Savior who saves to the uttermost. The difference between that and the man-centered Jesus standing at the noblest door meekly knocking message and What the Muslims here they they hear the one and not the other.

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They interpret it in that way. And so it was in that same context then That I'm thinking Die with a cross around your neck. And I immediately started thinking of Paul's words May it never be that I should boast except in the cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ by which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world.

I wonder if one of the problems my friends Is that so many people have a cross around their neck? but they live like the world and Hence make a mockery of that cross because We can talk all we want to about the cross, but unless The world has been crucified to me on that cross Unless I have been crucified to the world on that cross then it means nothing.

It's just a religious symbol. But if that cross if you understand what that cross really meant if you understand what that cross really was if you understand what really happened there if you understand the demonstration of God's wrath against sin the the absolute demonstration of his holiness and Then the depth of his self-giving Loving-kindness that is demonstrating that cross you None of us can ever begin to plumb the depths of that, but I think the world can tell when we're at least trying.

The world can tell when we are really dedicated to something. The world can tell when we really love something when we are passionate about something and when something has impacted our lives and If you're gonna boast in the cross the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then.

Follow the entire verse. By which the world has been crucified to me. And that's Honestly. That's where Western Christianity struggles the most because we still have so much love of the world. We still have so much love of the world.

It is it is it takes a tremendous amount of maturity to be greatly blessed physically and To not have those physical blessings become an idol in your life. There's something that takes the passion the central place of passion in your thinking.

That is a lifelong struggle. That a lot of people have just given up on but there is. You know, it's that time of year where everyone's thinking about the new year and the New Year's go by so fast now that they all start blurring together, but and People are talking about so, you know how to be successful in the new year and I made the mistake of having Talk radio on in the way Down the in the car and I was about ready to shoot myself by time.

I got here doom and gloom and 2011 is gonna be the end of everything and they weren't even talking about Harold camping for crying out loud. That was the Rush Limbaugh show. What? Oh, it's just it just depressing and and you can just get caught caught up in all that stuff but honestly.

The issue really is For Christians for believers. How will I be pleasing to God in this coming year? What what can I do? Do I have to have a desire to be pleasing to God? And if I do, how do I fit into this verse by which the world has been crucified to me?

How can I experience that and I to the world? And remember these words. Oh how they they don't strike us with near the dissonance. That they did the original audience. They don't. We are so accustomed to the cross we are so accustomed to the term crucify it's has such a theological pedigree for us.

That.

The jarring nature of these words, we don't we don't pick it up. At least not as we should when you remember when you remember That this was the worst way to die. There were people in the ancient world who would not even use this language because it would he would not be considered polite in public Places to even talk about this.

It was the unmentionable way of death and yet Paul actually presents it by saying he boasts. He boasts in that which to the world showed Jesus to be weak and we certainly see that in The hatred expressed toward the cross by the world and by false religions by the Muslims either in gross and open ways by the radicals or in less open ways, but still quite discernible by Muslims in general.

And so it's. It's a time of year where we can think about the future and we can think about how we as believers can prepare ourselves. To Walk in a way that is pleasing to God and to do so as people who have been crucified to the world and the world crucified to us and boast in the cross for our Lord Jesus Christ.

The only way to boast in that is to see that I had nothing to do with it other than it was my sin. That put him there. There can be no boasting in the sense of being better than anyone else. The only boasting we can do is boasting in the Lord.

Perseverance of the Saints and John 6

877 -753 -3341 dividing dot line is the phone number. Let's start off and talk to John mark. Hello John.

Good quick question, I'm conversing with a friend who doesn't believe in perseverance of the Saints and gently Exegeted with him John 6 and 27 through 28 until it's often over the 40s an example that and he says this might sound as if The looking and believing our one-time acts that happened in the past That's not mean they are continued on the Sun and continues to believe in him should continue to have Paralyzed.

And he said the same thing with John 10 and he says what I'm yeah.

Your friend your friend your friend is is very very focused upon man. That's a shame because he's right and that's a point that if you've read any of my books on the subject I've raised freedom. Yeah Potter's freedom.

John 6 I emphasized over and over again in my exegesis the text present tense participles the one looking the one believing. That's how John differentiates between false faith, which is in the aorist like in John 8.

In John this is just that's just that's just something John uses it's not something that's all across the New Testament. But in John chapter 2 he uses the aorist of those who had believed in Jesus and yet Jesus did not believe himself to them.

He did not entrust himself them because he knew it was in their hearts. True saving faith in the gospel of John is present tense. It is ongoing but again. That's exactly the whole point and that is true saving faith is ongoing.

Where does that come from? It's a it's a gift of God. It's the work of the Holy Spirit in the person's heart. So perseverance, you know, if if you if you are it sounds like your friend is Just doesn't believe that God can actually save the uttermost that somehow it's up to God to make us cooperate with him.

And he tries and fails and tries and succeeds and all that's all dependent upon us. No, the fact the matter is the only the only way to deal with all of what scripture says in this matter is To avoid the two extremes on the one extreme you have those people who see faith and the entire work of salvation is something that comes from mankind it comes up out of ourselves and.

Every person has the ability to have saving faith and sins really not all that big of a deal. You're not really dead in sin blah blah blah. But since that saving faith comes up from within them they have no ground upon which to believe in perseverance of the Saints because if if you're the one who has to you know, sort of Get that faith going.

Well, you might fall apart. You might not make it and.

Really any other way John could have my friend to be satisfied or isn't that just well.

Your friend's problem isn't with Greek tenses. Your friend's problem is with his own heart. I'm sorry, but anybody who thinks that Who reads the New Testament in an anthropocentric way rather than the theocentric way focused upon man and man's Capacities rather than what God is doing if you can look at John chapter 6 and think that that's all run by man based upon the verb tenses and Miss the fact that it is the father who gives and the result the father's giving is our coming.

It is the father's will for the son of the son lose none of those the son raised them all up on last day. All these things and our coming our present tense coming our present. Are all the results of divine actions if a person can't see that well that that's that's something that's Spiritually brought to someone you you can't force anybody to say you can point to him you can you can point out to the me that that's the only consistent way to see it all through scripture, but You can't you can't shove that down somebody's throat.

You can you can point it out. You can preach it. You can emphasize it you can say without this you're gonna be stuck with work salvation. You're gonna have no no consistent message you're gonna have the conflict between the the Concept of Okay, I'm getting stuff in a in a in a window here.

That's so confusing me, but anyway You're gonna have all that kind of stuff over on the one side or on the other side. Then you're gonna have the libertarians and the people who? Have a have a cheap gospel that say oh no no no no we don't we don't have to do anything at all.

I mean we all you got to do is believe in Jesus. And then you can go and do whatever you want, and you've got your ticket punch you're going to heaven. There's no repentance is no Lordship of Christ. The only way to hold all this together and believe in sola gratia and sola fide and believe Romans 328 as well as James chapter 2 believe it all is if you read the New Testament in a theocentric way rather than Anthropocentric way if you read it if you read it from a man-centered perspective it's a mishmash of Incomprehensible silliness, but if you read it and recognize the gospel is what God is doing.

Then it makes perfect sense it all fits together, and so if you're reading something and one way. It's a mishmash of contradiction, which is what how most liberals and others read it another way you read it, and it's it's this harmonious interwoven consistent beautiful testimony.

Sort of obvious which one you should be reading it as but that's not how people read.

Has to do with our presuppositions, but hyphen John doesn't mean a dwelling in your soul presently. I know that's not right either, but well well.

Why would anyone define eternal life as as Legally ready to enter heaven or something like that. The point is what what is what is Jesus on teaching in John chapter 5? We have already passed out of death into life.

We shall not come into judgment. We've already been judged in Christ Jesus, and we already possess the present present possession eternal life. Yes, it is having fellowship with the triune God. That's part of eternal life.

But having already passed out of death into life and the wrath of God no longer abiding upon us well. How can the wrath of God no longer abide upon us well because of Christ's cross work. Obviously so I mean again You can you can tear things into shreds.

And it sounds like your friend is trying to do that and trying to set certain parts of Scripture against other parts of Scripture. But it also sounds like he's only hearing parts of what the text says and trying to For some text to address things that that they were never intended to address in the first place.

So there's obviously some kind of presupposition Operating in your in your friends theological system. That's overriding biblical exegesis. Okay, thanks, sir. Thanks for calling in today. All right. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one eight seven seven seven five three three three four one is the phone number and.

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How the pilgrims progress? It's not an easy way. It's a journey to the Sun. And.

Welcome back to the dividing line on a Tuesday getting ready to wrap up 2010 and launch into 2011 which promises to be quite the year on every front. I don't know about you, but I'm awful glad I can trust that.

Like I said on Twitter yesterday I think a day before yesterday. I'm all glad I'm not. I'm not an open theist. God knows exactly what's going to be going on in 2011 if he didn't. Anyway, let's talk to Christopher.

Hi Christopher. Hi.

Something on Facebook about The ESA movement where you have Muslims who are claiming that they're Christians and Muslims at the same time. I.

Don't know anything about it. I've heard a few people that have made reference to a kind of movement where people are teaching people to Just join Jesus to Islam and and when you do your prayers Instead of praying to Allah you're praying to Jesus and and to maintain your external Involvement in the Muslim community and things like that.

If that's what you're referring to. I hadn't Seen it referred to as the Lisa movement, but if it is Then there's there's been a lot that has been written on that.

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It's not really a big area. I get into because certainly none of the the Muslims I would be debating Would be presenting anything like that and certainly none of the Christians who would be supporting my work and evangelizing Muslims would be Supporting anything like that, but obviously from any from either perspective.

From from either a Muslim or Christian perspective such a movement is just nothing less than reprehensible. I mean, it's it's reprehensible from the Islamic perspective because it's pure hypocrisy and it's reprehensible from the Christian perspective.

Because it's also pure hypocrisy. I mean, it's it's so unbiblical so far removed from what you see in the New Testament that My understanding is that movements similar to that which seek to allow new believers to Not be open about their profession of faith in Christ are almost always linked with exceptionally liberal quote-unquote Christian groups you'd have to because you just you could not take the Bible as a Standard in that situation because when you look at the early church They likewise faced persecution for their profession of faith in Christ and what they do the day that they pretend to be Jews.

Did they pretend to be something else? No. They were open about their profession even Paul's words and I can just hear a few people in the audience. But didn't Paul say I become all things to all men.

He was talking about Voluntarily limiting the expressions of his freedom so as to not cause stumbling to others. He was not talking about pretending to be something that he wasn't so. So I I don't know much more about it than that other than I have heard of movements similar to that and it's just so far removed from from the New Testament that it's It's it's hard to even identify it as a Christian movement.

I'm wondering if that's coming out of the syncretism that would allow people to go to say the Glenn Beck rally and pray with Mormons and Yeah, and Muslims and Christians and still say they're Christian.

Yeah.

I think I think it really does find a lot of its origin in a postmodern way of thought that where there isn't really any objective truth and therefore you have your own truth and as long as you're Being true to your own truth in your heart your external actions aren't overly overly relevant.

So yeah, there is there is a lot of that I think out there and we do we do see a lot of that in Quote-unquote evangelicalism day such as the the Glenn Beck phenomena. Which is in and of itself rather interesting.

Okay, thank you for call I just I just want you to clarify because I like when they when somebody said I was a Muslim and a Christians like.

Something something doesn't compute here. No. No it and it wouldn't for an orthodox Muslim either. I mean I That the Muslims that I enjoy having interaction with the ones that would Be 100 on board with me on this one and they we'd all agree.

That's just not a possibility. That's that's not possible. But at least with them We have a foundation upon which to speak once people get into that mushy middle where there is no foundation left. There is no truth that you can really discuss either on the Islamic or Christian side of things.

That's where I just throw my hands up and say hey this is for somebody else because I God did not give me the patience to deal with people that are like nailing jello to a wall. It just Doesn't work. All righty.

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