Dr. James White teaches on The Doctrines of Grace

Well, good evening. Thank you all for being here It's been a really exciting day.

I just want to tell you a little bit about who we are here at 12 five church The name 12 five comes from Romans 12 verse 5

Basically just telling us how we're all individuals, but we are one together in the body of Christ And so we are a new church plant.

We are a year old as of about two weeks ago so praise God for that and We meet every

Lord's Day at 10 a .m. And Afterwards we have koinonia feast.

This is a time of fellowship that we have to break bread And it's just a wonderful time to get to know one another and build those relationships

And so we also have services on Wednesday We have adult Bible study at 630 and we also have youth

Bible study So if you're not plugged into a church home We would love to get to know you and love on you

And if you have a church home that you don't feel like you're getting equipped or discipled

That's something that we are very passionate here at 12 5 for deep discipleship

So that's just a little bit of our story right now here at 12 5 we started out as a church plant and a living room and just over the past few months

God has been Blessing us with resources like this building and we plan on this being a temporary place and we're just being patient on the

Lord in those things So with that I also want to announce We're having a man named pastor

Scott from River Bend come down to 12 5 Coming up in October October 16th and 17th

River Bend is a really big church in Florida that we are in partnership with They provide a lot of spiritual oversight with us prayerfully.

They even help us out financially And so this is a really big deal for pastor Scott to come down He is very experienced in church planting.

So on that Saturday at 4 p .m. He's actually coming to speak About what godly men look like in the context of a church plant and his wife will be leading the ladies and what godly

Women look like in the midst of church planting So he's also going to be preaching that next morning and we're gonna provide a meal and we're gonna have a

Q &A session with him So if you're interested in something like that, just please reach out to me or pastor

Nathan so Really excited to introduce our speaker this evening

This man has been very influential in my life just over the number of years of contending for the faith

Contending for the gospel of grace and it is a Trinitarian doctrine and he was very gracious with his time and he did not ask for any money

Anything like that and he just said hey, it's on the way for the the tour to g3 and we'll make it work

So I want to introduce to you. Dr. James White friend

Tim Bush on singing the Radio free Geneva theme which might be fitting for us this evening.

I suppose for those of you who are familiar with that that is a something we do on the dividing line that deals with reform theology and sometimes

Good objections, but most of the time not so good objections to reform theology. So If you ever listen in everybody seems to enjoy that We we were the original podcasters we started podcasting before there was a pod

We seriously did we started doing what would eventually be called podcasting

Mainly because we were poor and we'd have any money. So that was the cheapest way of doing what we were doing

We now look at ourselves as pioneers But I'm just being honest with you as to why it actually happened the way that it happened

But we actually started doing the dividing line in the 1980s, so yeah, I've been doing this for a little while and So we're on our way to g3 and in fact, you can pray for me

I am supposed to be a part of a Q &A panel in the pre -conference in Atlanta tomorrow night at 8 o 'clock, so I'm gonna be getting up early and Getting and I was just looking at Google.

It only said six and a half hours. No, that's not an RV You know why an RV takes so much longer than a car

Getting gas Do you know how much fun it is? To get gas in an

RV at a regular gas station. You know, that's that's like it is It's enough to test your sanctification.

It really I Hit a gas station. I forget where it was. It was in New Mexico someplace and this guy

Had a truck and a very large trailer not as big as mine but a very large trailer behind him was sort of blocking everybody in and I'm just sitting here waiting and waiting and waiting and I noticed this guy's just not moving so I eventually got out of my truck and I look there's nobody in the truck and Eventually we managed to get around him on one side

It was very very tight and very very nerve -wracking and stuff and eventually I see this guy walking up to that truck

You know where he was that whole time for over 20 minutes. He was getting a burger at Carl's jr.

And he left his truck just sitting there at the pump blocking everybody and it was like Sanctification sanctification.

Yes, so so that's why it takes so much longer is once that gas gauge says you better You better get some some fuel.

It's gonna take you a while. You don't just get buzzed in and And of course, it's a 26 gallon tank.

So this is just watching that number get bigger and bigger It's like wow, at least that's one reason not to travel in California at all.

Just just don't even go Because they charge you so much more there. Anyways, it is good to be with you here this evening

We only have a limited amount of time and obviously that means that our discussion will have to be on the general themes of our topic but I said a long time ago that it would have been much easier for my ministry if There were certain topics that I never touched

There would be far more doors open to me far more places to go and Some of those topics would be for example dealing with subject of Roman Catholicism Because everybody has an aunt

Sally who's a Roman Catholic is just the sweetest lady on the earth So you don't want to say anything about the current

Pope who is a hippie from South America Who actually doesn't really believe a lot of Roman Catholicism, but that's a whole nother topic and Islam We've we've tried to actually do presentations on Islam in a lot of places and they wouldn't allow us in if we didn't have special insurance

Because if you could talk about Islam, we want bomb insurance, you know and stuff like that Okay, and that doesn't make

I've really found amongst a lot of Christians. It's sort of like yeah, you go ahead and do that We're not really all that interested in learning how to love our

Muslim neighbors Though you have Muslim neighbors here. You may not see a whole lot of them But as I mentioned last time as I was driving in there's a

Islamic Center in your town here So that means you do have You do have Muslim neighbors but undoubtedly to Address what we're calling the doctrines of grace

How many of you? Would feel confident That you know what the first written debate of the

Reformation was Remembering that we remember four years ago when we were all wearing

Luther 500 t -shirts and all the rest that stuff and yeah It was it was four years ago that we were celebrating or getting ready to celebrate

October the 500th anniversary of the beginning of the Reformation now, of course that date was

Arbitrary anyways but As it may we're all excited. I was in Germany right now

I had the incredible opportunity of preaching from Luther's pulpit in the castle church in Wittenberg a little over four years ago right now and So 1517 is when we date it.

That's really an arbitrary number, but the first written debate Between a well -known not now outside of the

Catholic fold person and someone within Roman Catholicism was between Martin Luther and a man named by the name of Desiderius Erasmus now

Erasmus You may have heard of before because Erasmus was a a great scholar in languages textual history he was the one to First produce and publish the

Greek New Testament in a written form Luther used his Greek New Testament in his studies that led him to an understanding of justification by faith but Erasmus was a good

Dutch humanist scholar humanist didn't mean back then the same thing it means today But they debated what subject well

Luther's book was called on the bondage of the will and so Luther debated

Erasmus on Whether man's will is autonomous autonomous means what well altos

He she or it, but when it's used in a certain way self and Namas is law self law so an autonomous person is a person who is a law unto themselves an

Autonomous will is a free will that is not under for example the decree of God Fate anything else it is an absolute free will autonomy and so Luther plainly taught that man's will was in bondage to sin that man did not have a free will in the sense of an autonomous will there's a difference between an

Autonomous will and a free will now philosophers have used terms in a lot of ambiguous ways and so sometimes free will is simply defined as man acting on the desires presented to his will by his nature and So if you have a fallen nature your nature presents fallen desires

But it might there might be multiple fallen desires. I mean you can think of a fallen person Who?

has conflicting desires on a real basic level I Happen to think that dark chocolate covered almonds are wonderful I think they are there are clear stop that there are clear demonstration that God loves us that we have dark chocolate covered almonds and so When I'm if I if I'm looking at that those dark chocolate covered almonds in my camper over there

I can Have two conflicting desires presented by the same nature as and if I wasn't a

Christian just same fallen unredeemed nature And that is why they taste really good and I want to have about 20 more of them and then the other desire is yeah, but you're eventually going to weigh 487 pounds and So both of those desires could come from the fallen nature and they could be in competition with one another

The issue in the Reformation and ever since then and before then all the way back into the days of Augustan The issue was not can man have multiple desires and commands fallen nature present multiple kinds of desires

But can man's fallen nature present the desire to do what is right in God's sight for the right reasons

The the nature may say to us you better do what God says or he's gonna zap you but that's not the right reason can

Those who are according to the flesh do what is pleasing to God now? It's not fair for me to put it that way because you know the answer that if you've ever read the eighth chapter of Romans But that's the issue and Erasmus being the good

Roman Catholic Well being the good all admitting to holism while admitting to original sin and the fallenness of man insists and has to insist that man's will has a measure of autonomy because The sacramental system is the means by which you receive grace

And so you have to have that freedom of the will to work the sacramental system So as to receive forgiveness of sins and grace to overcome sin and things like that and So Luther in writing and if you read the bondage of the will

Well, if you read anything by Luther Just just be aware of the fact that he wrote in a different day than today

It has been said And this is true in the exchanges between one particular one of his enemies in England a

Roman Catholic Archbishop in England Between he and Luther who they they wrote a number of works against each other

That it's very plain that both of them made an effort to use every

Latin term that could possibly describe excrement of each other

Including some that no one had ever really thought of before but they decided that Luther and this other guy decided to do it anyways, so there's some rough language and most of you know that that Luther talked about the utilization of flatulence as a

Means of getting rid of the devil and attacking the Pope and a few things like that so if you're gonna go out tonight and start reading some

Luther just be prepared that he grew up as a German peasant and It was not an overly, you know cultured upbringing in that particular context but in Luther's response to Erasmus He said this he said

I appreciate you Erasmus of all of my Opponents you alone have put your finger on the heart of the issue the hinge upon which

This all turns and he was talking about the Reformation. He was talking about preaching of justification by faith he was talking about the gospel and Luther said you recognize the key issue here is whether man is a slave to sin or whether he's not today

The vast majority of those who call themselves quote -unquote Protestants if they even use the term

Would stand with Erasmus against Luther They would stand there on their own

Rome's side You're in an area where there's a tremendous number of folks from the

Church of Christ and the Church of Christ loves to go after Roman Catholicism and and The papacy and all the rest that stuff

But when it comes to the nature of man and his abilities in the issues the Reformation they stand firmly with Rome They don't know that But they do now

This therefore creates quite a division When we start talking about how we present the gospel the means you present the gospel what you believe about the nature of the sinner and how you can communicate to the sinner and what is

Necessary for the sinner to hear the gospel and to embrace the gospel. That's extremely important But what is missing in so much of the discussion today about how we define the gospel?

the great danger that we face today is That we live in a deeply secular society the next generation it stuns me at Just how much farther they've gone

Into a fully secular understanding of the world and of themselves and because of that there is a focus upon the self self fulfillment self autonomy

It doesn't really make any sense because in secularism There is no future for you.

Once you die All that is is chemicals stop fizzing

Chemicals stop doing what chemicals do and you return back to the dust and you return judgment

There is no there is no judgment. There is no transcendent meaning. There is no value to True secularists if they will be honest with their worldview will admit that this is the case

And so you've heard all the terminology has been used Stardust you're nothing but stardust

You are fizzing chemicals, I like the Star Trek one that I prefer ugly bags of mostly water

That was an alien description of us, but it's an apt one when you think about it Moist robots.

That one's just creepy. That's just a little moist robots But that's all we are so there can be no transcendent meaning that discussion of the will is actually irrelevant and yet Combined with that once you once you reject

The Western consensus that that was built upon a judeo -christian worldview once we reject all that you have this

Nihilism this emptiness, but then on the other hand now you have this Well, then we need to be autonomous at least while we live

And so I get to determine my own reality and if I want to be one of a hundred and forty seven genders today

I can be one of a hundred and forty seven genders today and because it's all me and and All that matters is what

I do right now because I might die tomorrow and then I won't matter at all to anyone ever So I need to get my get the gusto now say and of course that leads to utter chaos

You can't you can't build a society that's gonna communicate beauty and value and worth to the next generation

Because all you care about yourself We live in a day Where literally and I'm gonna step on some toes here

But literally there have been a lot of people in the younger generation today Who've been convinced there's just as much value in raising a puppy as a child

Because they don't think of the continuation of the culture or of a nation or of anything like that it's just whatever is convenient for me, and it's a whole lot more convenient to have a puppy than a kid or Two kids or I go to Apologia Church.

So on average eight kids or something like that So This is the situation we face today.

It's very focused upon us as individuals and Here's the great danger

Any discussion of what God has done in Christ what the gospel is? What God's purpose is in preaching the gospel and having us preach the gospel day any discussion that starts with man?

Will never ever be able to arrive at the heights of Christian truth about what God is doing you start at the wrong place?

if we start with the creature and Try to reason up from the creature will never come to true knowledge of God And we will certainly never come to a true knowledge of the gospel and yet that's what most people do

Most people set up a standard based upon what I observe what standards I think

God needs to be this kind of God and I remember so clearly meeting with a

Lady came over to my office years and years and years ago. I was very young and She was doing a master's degree at the

Keno Institute. It's Roman Catholic Institute and She had to introduce it. She had to interview a fundamentalist and so she decided to interview me and I was talking to her about the gospel of grace and I I Talked to her about God's sovereign election and things like that and she said well wait a minute you

Are you saying that that that God chooses to whom he gives his grace and I said, yes, ma 'am

I am just I could never worship a God like that and I said to her.

I know that's my point Until God works within your heart by his sovereign grace

You never will and she just never even heard of anything like that If she if she knew her own history if she had read

Augustine, she would have known That this has been a topic of conversation for a long time.

But but she hadn't but that Rejection on the part of man of the idea of a sovereign

God We really have to start where scripture starts and that is we have to start with God's Ultimate purposes and Then move from there to the application in time if we start with man will never be able to build up to the truth and So when we talk about the doctrines of grace, you've probably broken down into various categories before and I have always insisted that what you must start with that what you

God that truth about God that crushes our Creaturely autonomy.

The fact is there a passage scripture that if we will just set aside our traditions and if we will just decide our tradition

Listen Remind us that God is

God and we are not God We are not judgment when we read of God's utter freedom

When we When we read when even a pagan like Nebuchadnezzar After his reason returns to him

After his pride has been crushed read Daniel chapter 4 the pagan King comes to recognize there is only one true

God and He does whatever he pleases in heaven and earth and no one can ward off his hand or say to him

Why have you done what you've done? And yet isn't that what mankind does every single day?

Why have you done what you've done? Why are you doing this? We are so Arrogant because what does the

Bible say about us? Well, how do we describe in Scripture? We are a vapor

That just disappears a flower that blooms in the morning is dead by night in Comparison to God's eternal existence our entire lifetime is a blink of the eye and So, how can we even even if we are the most intelligent people in the world?

How could we take in? sufficient information to even begin to understand what

God is doing let alone to judge him and yet how many are willing to judge him

Immediately based upon a single event in their life We know from Scripture you think of someone like Joseph man if anybody had the reason to question

God's goodness Joseph did Think of all the things that happened to him that he could just go.

This is not fair. God is not being loving My brothers have gotten away from this pot of her his wife got away with this

I'm rotten here in this jail God obviously is not good

Joseph didn't do that. I'm sure he was tempted to do that, but he recognized by the grace of God He recognized by the grace of God That's in that final analysis

When he finally faced his brothers and they were afraid now dad's gone.

We're toast We're gonna be killed Joseph's finally gonna take his revenge on us and Joseph weeps and He says to them am

I God the answer obviously is no and He showed such wisdom when he said he didn't excuse their sin

They had sold him into slavery and deceived their brother that their father that he was dead

They were hard -hearted men. He didn't he didn't excuse any of that But he said you intended this for evil

But God intended this for good and to save many people alive to this day the evil that they committed

God intended to take place Now their intentions were bad

God's intentions were good their intentions to bring about death his intentions to bring about life, which is what he did

But in the moment Simply looking at the act it would be easy to judge

God But none of us live long enough and none of us have access to sufficient information to ever stand in judgment of God and that's why

God can say I Do whatever I please in heaven in the earth. I accomplish all my holy will and Yet there are many who will say no.

No, he does not I've debated many a person who has just directly stated

No, God does not accomplish all his will there's much he wants to do that he cannot do because he has limited himself and yet We then have to ask the question

How can there be prophecy of future events? How is it that when the

Lord Jesus rose from the dead he could walk with his disciples? And he could open their minds understand the scriptures and show them that from Moses onward they all prophesied of him if there is no divine decree of God if Man is autonomous and can do this thing or that thing and either

God doesn't know open theism or God learned When he created how could there be prophecy?

Cyrus is prophesied by name in the prophet Isaiah, right? long before he ever comes along which is why a lot of naturalistic scholars say

I Couldn't have been written by Isaiah because you can't know the future Which is the whole idea of what prophecy is?

but what if what if Cyrus had this autonomous will and The morning when he was supposed to release the

Jews to go back to Israel he gets out of the royal bed and he steps on a toy and It cuts his foot and he's angry and he picks up the toy and realizes the toy was made by one of those

Jewish Toymakers and so now he's angry and instead of freeing the Jews.

He has all the Jews killed well All those prophecies

Isaiah now becomes a false prophet, right? So could that have happened? That's the problem.

No, it could not have happened God has a sovereign decree that he is accomplishing

It does not make us or Cyrus puppets As people like to say if there's a sovereign decree then nothing matters

I say if there isn't a sovereign decree nothing matters Because you see if God is not accomplishing if he is not the

God of Ephesians 1 working all things after the council of his will then there is a tremendous amount of meaningless evil that takes place in this world and God either knew when he created that it was gonna happen, but had no reason for it or Didn't know when he created it was gonna happen and therefore is liable for it for simply being ignorant and creating such a mess and for some reason people think that's better than the fact that God decreed all this and has a purpose in all this and We have to trust him that someday that purpose will be demonstrated to his honor in his glory.

Those are the issues Those are those are the options Now I Love to Allow the scriptures to present these things

And so I'd like you to turn the scriptures to the text that I opened up I Think about 18 years ago down in Florida at at a certain church

I don't know whether you would have been there probably Do you remember that sermon?

No Yet you remember me you do remember me preaching there, okay. All right Well, that's that's actually better than most people to do to be honest with you.

I happen to remember that sermon because I remember that I had a limited amount of time and so I had to Be very focused and very disciplined to get everything in in the amount of time that that I had

But I just want to run through with you one of my favorite texts on this subject and tie a bunch of these things together

So that we can sort of come to a conclusion and say this is what sets the doctrines of grace apart From everything that isn't the doctrines of grace and this is why you shouldn't be afraid of these things and this is why you shouldn't straw man these things and just Accept what traditions say or people who try to fear monger things

John chapter 6 John chapter 6 Gospel of John at least it's in the red letters

There are some people I've met that said hey if it's not in red letters don't show it to me They are hyper red letterists there were of course, no red letters in the original manuscripts, so and it is a

Very deficient view of Scripture to think that red letters are more inspired than black ones Because the

Lord inspired all of them They are all the Anus toss But what I love about John chapter 6 is the story as it develops.

It's the feeding of the 5 ,000 and there's all these excited men and women and children and and they've been fed miraculously and Then Jesus sends them away

Jesus sends them away, and I'm sure the disciples who were probably Feeling pretty good about themselves as they're distributing the miraculous bread and things like that you know yes,

I'm one of Jesus's disciples Thank you very much. Yes, just remember my name. You know and They're probably people are looking up at them, and this is their exit.

They're enjoying themselves and then Jesus goes and ruins all of it and sends everybody home, and then he goes up in the mountain to pray and They get in a boat and they go off to Capernaum now.

I've gotten to go to Israel once I'm so glad I got to go that one time and the thing

That I took away. I took a lot of things away, but the thing that just struck me about Galilee Was that if you stand?

anywhere on the shore of the Lake of Gennesaret the Sea of Galilee You can see the other shore

Anywhere, I always thought well. It's a sea so it's huge. You know you can't you know that goes over the horizon no

I've stood a Capernaum where where the disciples would have landed in John chapter 6 and You can see the far shore and that's felt.

That's lengthwise. That's the longest part of the lake you can see the far shore It's a long ways off, but you can still see it

I Was just stunned at how small Israel is You can drive

The vast majority of it in just a very short period of time Certainly in less than a day you can drive from top to bottom quite easily so Gia sends the disciples off and You have the walking on the water incident and all the rest that stuff takes place and they get to Capernaum and then you have the disciples who are still left on the other side of the lake which is over that direction if you're standing there in Capernaum and When they realize

Jesus is gone they get in boats And they come over to Capernaum, and they're the ones that come up to Jesus seeking

Jesus Now when you find folks that are willing to roll across the lake seeking Jesus.

We pretty much Think these folks are ready for an office in the church. You know we'll make them

Sunday school teachers or something almost immediately But Jesus doesn't Jesus begins to speak to them

Notice in verse 26 that they are seeking a sign they saw what happened with the feeding of 5 ,000 others seeking a sign and Jesus begins to focus them in upon who he is and so he talks about the manna in the wilderness and he starts introducing himself as the bread of God which came down out of heaven to give life to the world and They say to him

Lord always give to this give to us this bread verse 34 And Jesus said to them.

I am the bread of life The one coming to me will never hunger and the one believing in me will never thirst

Now just in passing especially if you're dealing with Roman Catholics Please realize the first time then anything related to hungering thirsting eating drinking is all in regards

Is believing to believing to faith

Not to risk gories of transubstantiation But then notice what

Jesus says in verse 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and you are not believing you don't believe

You've seen me, but you don't believe because you don't know who I am You don't believe believe me for who I am

He identifies even the men who rode across a lake to find him as unbelievers and to them in Explaining their unbelief.

He says All that the father gives me will come to me and The one coming to me.

I will never cast out Now think about those words

All that the father gives me will come to me Who is bringing about the actions in this sentence?

Well, people are coming. So people are doing something But they're coming is the result of what having been given by the father to the son

So what must be true about God in a situation like this?

God the father must have sovereignty

That results in Actions amongst men all that the father gives me will come to me not come to someone else come to me

Jesus is exclusively the center of these things so you have the father and the son and You have a certain people who are given to the son by the father and as a result of being given

They come to Christ. Is that not the issue? Is that not the issue? The issue

When you when you start putting all the other stuff aside the issue is this if you've come to Christ Why did you come and someone else does not

If you and your neighbor went to the same school you have similar jobs.

You have similar IQ's You've grown up in the same place

You both hear the gospel You come to Christ and the other person does not is it because you are better Than the other person.

Are you more spiritually sensitive? more spiritually intelligent Did you have a better preacher?

Why is it that you came and they did not and If you keep it on a human plane and you only look for the answers within the human

Categories You're gonna have to say there was something about you that gave you a benefit

The other person didn't have but that's not how Jesus answers these questions in Talking about these men's unbelief.

He says all that the father gives me will come to me. They're not coming to him They're gonna walk away by the end of the chapter

They're gonna turn and walk away by the end of this chapter. Jesus starts with 5 ,000 excited people and by the end of the chapter

He has 12 confused disciples and one of them is a devil from a human perspective.

You might go I'm not sure that Jesus was overly successful here. He wouldn't pass most of our church growth classes today.

That's for sure All that the father gives me will come to me and the one coming to me

I will never cast out now. We like the last part of that verse We like the idea that if I come to Jesus, I will never be cast out

That's most of us go. I like that theology even though there's some theologies that even say then well

Christ never cast you out, but you can jump out of his hand and lose your salvation or something like that, but We like that that one, but that's the second half of the sentence

Why is it the one coming to me will never be cast out because the father has given them to the son This is a divine

Transaction this is between two divine individuals The father is giving a particular people to the son and as a result of being given they come and when they come

They will never be cast out They will never be cast out Well, why would that be?

Because Jesus says I have come down out of heaven not in order to do my will

But the will of the one who sent me So I will never cast him out which means he has the authority to do so if he chose to do so But I will never do it because I came down of heaven to do his will

Well, what's his will that's what verse 39 says and This is the will of the one who sent me

In order that of all which he has given to me. I lose none of it singular.

It's looking at the whole group I lose none of it But I will raise it up in the last day

Now follow the use of raise up in the last day That is one of the ways

Jesus refers to giving eternal life To bringing someone into the presence of God to bring them into heaven to completing the work of salvation, etc, etc but here we are told that the will of The father the will the one who sent him here is another indication of the distinction between father and son obviously is

That Jesus be a perfect Savior. Isn't that what he says?

This is the father's will That of all that he's given me. I lose none of it If you lose none of it

Then what are you claiming to have the ability to be? Perfect Savior You don't your your salvation rate is 100 %

That means you're a perfect Savior you lose nobody not a one How many

Christians I wonder really believe That Jesus is able to save a specific people given to him by the father 100 % because you see if salvation is this synergistic

Cooperation between the autonomous will of man and God trying to save Does God get 100 % there is?

God trying to say now here's question Is God trying to save every piece of every person equally we want to say well, yes, of course but just Look at the

Bible was God trying to save Pharaoh's army the same way who's trying to save Israel Did God send prophets?

To the Amorite high priests before sending Israel in to wipe them out man woman and child Well, but that's not fair.

And as soon as you say that you demonstrate that you don't understand not only the wages of sin for all people

But you also don't understand the categories of justice mercy and grace Fair is a category of justice

You don't want justice You don't want justice you want mercy that's a different category

Grace if it is to be grace must be free if It can be demanded if it has to be given equally to every single person

It's no longer grace And so what man really chafes at is the universal righteousness of God in judging sin

That's what we don't like and If you give somebody a chance if you save that guy

If you take out his heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh, then you've got to do that to everybody

That's the only way to be fair you see but Jesus says that the will of the

Father for him is that he He save a specific people and lose none of them, but raise them up on the last day and someone say well

Yes, but you need to understand the people that the father gives to the son are the people that the father foresaw would believe in him

See, that's not that's how it works. That's a that's how we get rid of all this troubling stuff But remember we saw in verse 37 all that the father gives me will come to me

Not the father will give to me all that he sees coming to me.

It's a vast difference between those two It's a vast if our coming is the result of the father's giving

That's grammatically necessary in the language, by the way, it's not just my interpretation. That's what the language says

Synergism this idea that we have to cooperate together and make this work Synergism reverses that it's not the only place for this happen

Just keep your I'm gonna go come back to John chapter 6, but if you if you go over to John 8 It's really interesting how people read this in 8 43

Why is it you don't understand what I'm saying to you Because you are not able to hear my word.

You are not able to hear my word And then down verse 47 the one who is of God hears the words of God because of this you are not able to hear

Because you are not of God How would most people actually rephrase those when people hear those words from Jesus, how do they retranslate them within their own traditions

Well, why don't you understand the things I'm saying to you because you don't choose to do so Your your your will is not involved it says because you're not able to hear my word

Who's able to hear his word well those who are those who are of God those who belong to God That is that God has chosen

They hear the words of God This reason you're not hearing because you're not of God Why don't you hear the words of God because you don't choose to that's not what

Jesus said You hear the words of God because you are of God and that's something that God did and so Jesus in verse 39 of chapter 6 perfect Savior for this is the will of my

Father in order that everyone looking upon the Son and believing in him might have eternal life and I will raise him up in the last day

Now what has happened? I know Norman Geisler did this and people do this all the time instead of following the flow through People will jump down to verse 40 and try to read it backwards into the preceding verses that doesn't work

The will the Father for the Son is that he saved all those he's given to him That will is then also played out in the fact that in for everyone looking upon the

Son and Believing in him. Well who has the ability to do that? Well Jesus is about to explain

Everyone looking to the Son and believing in him will have eternal life and I will raise him up in the last day Where did he also talk about raising him up on the last day?

back in verse 37 the one coming mail never cast out and Then doing the will the one who sent me

Raising him up in the last day verse 39. And so here's a description those that are given by the

Father to the Son What do they do? They are looking upon the Son and believing him. Those are both present tense participles have you ever wondered because sadly

The longer you are in the church the longer the list People whose faces and names you can remember who are no longer amongst us

Not because they've passed on the glory But because they've gone out into the world I can

I'm thinking of one man Church, I was in for decades had a leadership position and Then just one day

Trade it all in just stop believing you're still believing.

Are you better than him? Are you better than him? Why does anyone persevere in the faith

Why is it that I keep looking to the Son and believing in him

Because the Father in his mercy and grace gave me to the Son and The Son will raise me to eternal life.

And so by the Spirit my faith is maintained Is sustained it's not because I'm better than anyone else.

It's not because I'm better than anyone else I persevere in the faith as a result of the work of the grace of God alone

Alone. Well, the Jews don't like this message verse 40 And so Jesus says in verse 43

Jesus answers that do not grumble amongst yourselves No one is able to come to me unless the

Father who sent me draws him and I Will raise him up on the last day. Do we believe it?

No one has the ability to come to me Unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day

Now, of course, what's the immediate? Jump out mechanism here. Well, you leave

John 6 You jump over to John chapter 12, which is a completely different context

John 6 is Jesus talking to people explaining unbelief and what salvation is John 12 is the end of Jesus ministry and There John is talking about what's going to happen when

Jesus is crucified They're not even close to the same context But people will jump over to John 12 32 if I have lifted up I'll draw men unto myself and see there you go.

All men are drawn. So that's how you explain John 6 44 There's a real problem there in John chapter 12

Jesus is been approached by Greeks Gentiles and Jesus does not meet with them

He doesn't meet with him Doesn't answer their questions doesn't have a confab with them The time is not yet for that Gentile ministry to take place

And so when it says if I've lifted up, I'll draw all men. He's talking about Jews and Gentiles all kinds of men to myself and the lifting up is lifting up on the cross and if you actually think that that the cross

Is attractive to men you haven't read what the New Testament says. It's repulsive to the natural man. So Jesus says

No one is able to come to me Unless one thing happens the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up in the last day.

What you need to understand is that man's Systems of religion have to break that sentence up into this form

Unless the father who sent me draws him and I Will raise up anyone who freely believes in me at the last day

You have to break up the hymns the hymn that's drawn by the father the hymn that's raised up by Jesus You have to make those two to two different groups because if you don't then you have

God's electing grace determining who's drawn and Who's raised up on the last day?

That's election That's divine election unto salvation Not just simply election of nations and all the things that people try to get around this

He wasn't talking to nations in John 6 He was talking to Jewish men who had rode across a lake to hear what he had to say

And when they walk away, he does not stop them Everyone who is drawn by the father is raised up by the

Son unto eternal life It has been written the prophets and they shall all be taught of God everyone hearing from the father and Learning is coming to me.

There is a description of what it means to be drawn. You're hearing from the father and you're learning That's the description

Why is it that you hear the message? Why is it the message of the empty tomb in your life?

Results in a change in your understanding Because you're better because you're smarter.

No Because the Spirit of God has made these things to come alive in your heart

Jesus goes on from here and You know that he focused upon himself

He is the bread of life. You have to eat his flesh and drink his bloods had nothing to do with Eucharistic sacrifices or anything else.

It has to do with the centrality of Jesus and intimate relationship with him. And what's interesting is At the end of the chapter when he says the

Spirit gives life the flesh profits nothing the words I have spoken to you They are spirit and they are life but he says there are certain of you that do not believe and he knew who that was and he was referring especially to Judas at that point and so Verse 65 and he was saying this is a form of the verb where it's repetitive action

He said that he kept saying over and over again for this reason I said to you that no one is able to come to me

Unless it has been granted to him by the Father Jesus repeated to them the necessity of the sovereign work of God in being able to come to him who is the bread of life and notice because of this verse 66 so his repeating the sovereignty of God in his message

Because of this many of his disciples went back from following him and were no longer walking with him

Do you think Jesus just didn't? You know, he didn't go to seminary and so he didn't get the classes where you you know

You find out what you're supposed to say what you're not supposed to say and who you're not supposed to say it to and all Right. I think that's really what's going on here greatest preacher in the world

Knew that these excited followers were not believers. They were following for the wrong reason and So he gets real with them and preaches the truth to them and they walk away

They walk away In fact, Jesus even has to say the twelve. Do you also wish to go away?

It's I'm Peter answered Lord to whom shall we go you have the words of eternal life You have the words of eternal life one of Jesus's apostles gave us an overarching

Explanation why it is any of us are in the faith. I'm going to have to be very brief But I want to just quickly walk through this with you

Ephesians chapter 1 verse 3 blessed be the God and father of our

Lord Jesus Christ The one who blessed us With every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.

So who is Who is being praised God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ? It's God the father who blessed us some people want to try to Create all sorts of distinctions.

Somebody came up to me just yesterday and said that have you ever heard somebody say that us here is the

Jews and Then down verse 14 becomes the Gentiles. That's all this is talking about Except he's writing to the church at Ephesus Church at Ephesus was not a

Jewish Church Wouldn't make any sense and he's actually gonna bring them all together by by the by verse 14

So the us is a plural. It's not individualistic.

It's us those who are in Christ are all included in this but the blessing is upon us and It's always in Christ In fact, it'd be interesting if you want to mark the number of places in Ephesians 1 where it's in Christ in him or in the

Beloved it's 10 times Is in 13 verses what

God has done in the expression of his eternal grace is in Christ it is an exclusive Message that's what's offensive to many many people the one who blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places in Christ Just as he did what chose

Christ There's a lot of people would like you to think that that's what this is saying they promote the idea of class election that the chosen one is

Christ and that when you believe you get joined to Christ and Therefore that's how you have salvation, but the election is not of a specific people but only of Christ himself

Here's the problem with that the direct object of the choosing is us the

Range and realm of the choosing is in Christ Because that saving grace is only in him because who are we joined to We are in Christ we are joined to him so that his death becomes our death his resurrection becomes our resurrection it is intimate and personal in Fact I would point out to you if you have the idea that the elect is just some open group and it's all up to us that Impersonalizes the entirety of what

God did in Christ Jesus. We all know the hymn Where it talks about when

Christ is dying Mine, my name was on his mind. My my my my my name was engraven upon his hands

That's a view of Salvation that's extremely personal. We love that it is biblical but that would require that the elect be a specific people and That Christ dies specifically in their place

Which is what? the Bible actually teaches But not what a lot of people actually believe so he chose us in him

Before the foundation of the world and some people say ah, but don't forget the last part of the verse

In order we might be holy and blameless before him Yes Election is not unto some nebulous thing.

It is under the specific Reality that God is going to conform us to the image of Christ That we are going to be made a holy people.

No question about it There is absolute purpose in God's intention because that's how the triune

God will be glorified you bet but that does not change the fact that the direct object of the verb choose is us not

Christ and the timing of This election is before the foundation of the world when you and I did not exist

But if we were chosen Then our existence

Was known to God But you do realize I hope that you are the result of hundreds of millions of free choices by all of your ancestors

Your great -great -great grandfather might not have married your great -great -great grandmother and if he hadn't you wouldn't be you and if that's all just a jumble of Random events and God just does the best he can trying to sort of run around put stuff together

That's that's not the presentation of Scripture It's what a lot of people believe but it's not the presentation of Scripture Now we don't know where to put the phrase in love because you could put it at the end of verse 4

We might be holy and blameless before him in love or you could have in love He predestined us unto adoption through Jesus Christ unto himself according to the kind intention of his will

I like that better But what is the verb predestined what's the direct object us?

He predestined us unto adoption through Jesus Christ unto himself

That is a specific people who will be joined to Christ and therefore be adopted as sons and daughters of God in and through the work of Jesus Christ and this

Predestination is according to the kind intention of his will not our will

His will and it's a kind intention not an evil intention if you want to know

Why one is chosen and one is not? According to the Apostle it is because of the kind intention of his will to the praise of his glorious grace which he has

Graced us Granted to us gifted to us was term grace graced us in the beloved one that is in Jesus This is as close as you're gonna get anywhere in Scripture to the ultimate answer to the ultimate questions of why?

Why and the why is to be answered To the

Satisfaction of the redeemed heart anyways in the phrase the kind intention of his will and so many

It's it's it's shocking to me how many Christians are? Willing to trust the fallen perverted will of man more than the kind intention of God's will it's amazing

Yeah, but I can see what man's gonna do I can't see what God's gonna do, but you're called to trust that his will is good how many really do and all of it to the praise of his glorious grace and there's the problem because it's not the praise of Anything having to do with us

We don't get any credit. We don't get any role We are redeemed. We are blessed.

It's wonderful, but we do not get any of the glory It is all to the praise of his glorious grace

Which he graced upon us But only in one way in the beloved one in the son of his love

Because it's in him that is in Christ verse 7 that we have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of our trespasses

According to the riches of his grace which he caused to abound unto us in all wisdom and understanding

Having made known to us the mystery of his will again according to his kind intention which he determined he before Determined to accomplish in him and then he then he get then he gives us the big picture this whole creation all of this creation is

Meant to be summed up All of it in Christ the things in the heavens and things upon the earth they're all to be summed up in him

This is God's decree. This is not a God who got things going and then went. Oh, man

That didn't go the way I wanted and let's try this plan. Well, that didn't go real.

Well, let's try this But there are theologies like that out there and Paul would have gone. Why? What what are you talking about?

This has been God's intention from the beginning He's he's wrapping all things up in Christ the things and having the things in the earth they're all gonna be in him and he's gonna he's gonna bring them all to fulfillment in him and It's in him that that we have been called

Having been predestined according to his purpose of the one who works all things according to the council the decision of his will

So that we who are the first? to believe in Christ might be to his praise and to his honor and Then finally after all of this

You get Now, let's bring it down to the Ephesians and their experience

In whom also when you heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation.

So now we're leaving the eternal realms and So how do those decisions that were made in eternity?

come to fruition in time and In their experience they heard the the word of truth the gospel of their salvation and They believed and They were sealed with the

Spirit of promise the Holy Spirit of promise who is the our own the down payment of our inheritance and So these individuals had received the

Holy Spirit of God the Holy Spirit of God had made these things to come alive in their understanding in their hearts They've been sealed for their redemption

All the praise of his glorious grace. So now these believers in Ephesus Have heard about the the grand sweep of what

God is doing and Now Paul has brought it down to and now here is how eternity has resulted in your salvation the founding of your church there in Ephesus and your participation in Christ and That's gonna allow the letter to get down to being so practical as to saying children obey your parents in The Lord for this is good

Husbands love your wives all of that eternal stuff

Results in what we're to be doing here in time. We don't get to determine any of that stuff

We had nothing to do with any of that stuff we can't change any of that stuff but that's the foundation upon which the

Apostle then says to us and Here's what God is doing in our lives and it's all to his honor and glory and praise

So the point is it's all about God It's all about God it's a ball all about his glory and until someone

Has a sufficiently high Understanding of the fact that God really is

God and he is not just a big man He's not just a really powerful man.

He is completely other When the angels surrounding the throne say kadosh kadosh kadosh, holy, holy kadosh

About times and we always think about pure clean Part of the pure but part of meaning but part of holiness is other other

Unlike anything else Separate and I really think there's a there comes a time in every believers life where through the study of the word through prayer contemplation you come to that point where That rebellious sinful heart it's got to be crushed

It's got to be crushed you've you've got to bow in wordless adoration of This God and not have any substitutes and not want any substitutes or anything.

That's lesser than the one true God and To adore him for all he has done

Not because you can understand all it because you can't But because you see that he has made you and he sustains you and as your creator he is worthy of Your worship and your trust and your trust when we talk about the doctrines of grace

We're not talking about something where we we get to sit around on Facebook and Have arguments with the

Church of Christ guys because look if you're gonna argue the Church of Christ guys You're gonna end up in Acts 238 for the rest of your life

Aren't you Have you ever seen Church Christ guys can have debates on Acts 238 for three nights in a row?

How do you do that if you can't explain what the context of Acts 238 is in 20 minutes get out of the ministry?

What are you doing? I've just never done one though. There's been people that want to do that kind of thing. I'm like no no

I've only got maybe 30 years of life left. I'm not wasting it that way but These are

I know we have the debates and we have the discussions and we have the going back I get it There's a there's a place for it

But like I said at the beginning There are certain things that would have made My ministry a whole lot bigger and not believing this would what would have been one of those things

So, why do I believe it? Because when I use the exact same form of hermeneutics and interpretation

That I use to defend the deity of Christ the Trinity the resurrection Historicity the scriptures

When I use that same form of hermeneutics on these texts they teach

That God is the one who draws a particular people unto Christ He joins those people to Christ in his death, burial and resurrection

He provides perfect salvation for them to his honor and his glory and Those who receive his wrath do so in perfect Justice there has never ever and this is a common straw man, but needs to be refuted

He has never ever Turned away a person who has turned in repentance and faith unto

Jesus Christ Every single person who has ever done so has found Christ to be a perfect Savior But what you must understand is that every person who has ever turned in repentance and faith to Jesus Christ seeking salvation from him did so because the

Father gave him to the Son and the Spirit brought that person alive Otherwise you're in spiritual death

You're not able to do what is pleasing to God and you'll never turn in repentance and faith to Christ But I can't see who that is.

I can't look out You know You you might have some some primitive Baptists running around Who will say that what you're supposed to do is if I'm if I'm witnessing to Brother green shirt here is green as any of these lights.

I can't tell what colors what is that supposed to be green? I think that's says greenish. Okay, if I'm witnessing the brother greenish here, we'll call you brother greenish

How's that? So I'm witnessing the brother greenish here I'm supposed to get to know him and I was supposed to ask him questions

And I'm supposed to be a fruit inspector and I was supposed to be looking for evidences of regeneration in him

And if I find I guess I get to choose and get determined if I find enough Evidences of regeneration in him then

I can present the gospel to him You never find the Apostles doing that They presented the gospel to everyone.

They left it to the Holy Spirit of God to make application they called all men everywhere to repent and so we get to do the exact same thing and I'm gonna tell you over the years when

I've Yeah, we all know historically that the early missionary movements those early missionaries were reformed

Those who went to India and labored literally for years Sometimes decades before having their first convert what gave them the ability to go on a

Trust in the sovereignty of God that they were doing what God had called them to do and when

I go up to Salt Lake City And we would pass out tracks for a for 18 years.

We went to every general conference. That's 36 some odd times Every general conference the

Mormon Church in Salt Lake City, and I've seen tracks ripped up I remember this one guy my first time my son went up there with me to pass out tracks and He had his little white shirt on his little rush limbaugh tie

Little 14 inch clip -on rush limbaugh tie and I had the same version, but the full -size adult one obviously and this guy walked up to him and I turned around just in time to see it because I would have been right on the guy if I hadn't but and He took that track and he reaches down and he pulls my son's front pocket open like this and he stuffs that track down into his pocket and goes and walks off and I remember my son just look at me going

What am I supposed to do And I'm like well son you got your first rejection taken care of now

You don't have to worry about anymore. Just enjoy the rest of the day It's gonna happen. Why do we keep going up there?

We gluttons for punishment? No I Don't I I cannot tell you what the result of all that work will be but I already know in this life of not only

People saved I know of at least one church was founded because of what we did up there Could I have known that at the time nope?

Nope you faithfully do what God commands you to do you recognize the difference between his decree which you cannot know and His prescriptive will which you can know and God calls me to live according to what he's revealed not to what he has not

But he's also determined that it's important enough for me to know that he is accomplishing his decree and That calls me to trust the judge of all the earth to do right to do right so For me the primary reason to unashamedly confess

Reform theology is because it is the inevitable result of Applying the very same methods of interpretation to scripture that you use for any other of the central core doctrines of the

Christian faith and the reason it is so Controversial is because the fundamental thing it does is it destroys the arrogant presumption of man's ego

It says you don't get to share the glory with God.

You don't get to control God's grace The question is not what will you do with Christ the question is what will

Christ do with you? And we don't like that, but the heart that is the recipient of the work of the

Spirit of God Embraces that because that heart recognizes the truth of what's found in the prophets

What's that? Stunning description of man in his sin a heart of stone.

Can you imagine a heart of stone going? You know what? I don't want to be a heart of stone anymore. I Want to be replaced the heart of flesh hearts of stone do that Of course not

Heart of stone wants to continue on its rebellion can send continue on its way But what a picture you on its way

I'd take of creation is God takes out that heart of stone Heart of flesh,

I am so thankful Lazarus was thankful. God has the ability to do that by the way just in passing and I am so thankful That God continues to do that today.

It's amazing. He's doing it all across the world He's been doing it for 2 ,000 years he's gonna do it

For as long as he chooses to do so and no matter how often that truth is attacked it will stand firm

And we can be thankful to God for those truths, let's pray together our gracious heavenly father indeed we do recognize

Your great sovereignty and power You are God and we are not we are your creatures.

Oh Lord help us to recognize That you have made us to glorify you not ourselves

That you have the right to call us and to use us as Our maker as our creator.

We live in a world Lord that by its very words and actions is constantly

Encouraging us to an attitude of rebellion and ungratefulness and distrust toward you

Lord by your spirit Melt our hearts

Remove that corruption that comes from our constant exposure to the world to the world

Expose us to your word instead So that we might truly have that peace that passes all understanding knowing that we can trust you

To glorify yourself. We thank you for this time. I thank you for these precious people who have come out this evening

I pray that you will bless them and encourage them to build this church up build up all faithful churches

For Lord, we know That this land Lies under your judgment and it's a just judgment.

So we need The gospel call all across this land We need you to heal our land and we know the only healing will come in repentance

Bring that about father that is our desire use us we pray in Christ's name. Amen.

I don't know about you but after spending an afternoon at two o 'clock hearing about our great triune