July 27, 2021 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Dealing with Anxiety”

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I'm always thrilled to have back on the program, one of my favorite guests, a

frequently recurring guest, Reverend Jeff Thomas, who, beginning in

1965, served for over 50 years as pastor at Alfred Place

Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, a theologically reformed congregation

in the United Kingdom, one that has a lot of history behind it as well.

He is also a very popular Banner of Truth conference speaker and author of

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Today we are going to be dealing with the subject, Dealing with Anxiety, and it's my honor and privilege

to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jeff Thomas.

Thank you very much, Chris.

It's my delight.

Amen.

I'm quite confident we will, brother.

And if anybody has any questions they'd like to ask, on the issue of anxiety,

and of course, since Pastor Jeff has had over half a century as a

pastor, we will allow other pastoral questions and

theological questions, but the main theme will be dealing with anxiety.

Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E

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As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside

the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And obviously, with a subject like this, I could readily understand that there will be listeners

who do have personal and private matters over which they want to question

you, since anxiety is obviously a problem that

people experience very often connected with very

personal and private and intimate issues in their lives.

So we will grant you that request, but if it's just a general question on theology,

and my guess, pastoral experience with this issue, if it's just a general question,

please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

Well, I must confess right off the bat, Pastor Jeff, that anxiety

or being anxious for quite a number of things is

likely my most often repeated sin.

I refer to it as a sin because Jesus commands us to be anxious for nothing, and yet I find myself being

quite frequently anxious and disobeying him.

But why is it that you wanted to address this issue today?

The

gentleness

you're

looking

at

tonight,

new

trainers,

and

so

on

and

so

on.

Why don't I ask an audience question, and then we'll go to our first break,

and then we'll have you continue.

Fine.

Okay, we have an anonymous listener.

The anonymous listener says, must we not be extremely careful

not to be cavalier with others who are indeed worried

with realism about where they're going to be getting the food

necessary to provide for their children, and whether or not they're going to be evicted

from their homes and the clothing they truly need for their children.

I'm not talking about spoiled brats here.

I'm talking about people who are indeed in desperate and urgent need for these

things.

Yes, that's a very, I think, appropriate and reasonable question.

It's one thing how we are to address ourselves, is it not?

And another, how we are to respond to others.

And as the person indicated, we're not talking about the spoiled brat who says, I

want a $300 pair of Nikes, and I'm very anxious that I'm not going to get it.

We're talking about people who are in serious financial need, genuine need.

We

have

to

go

to our

first

break

right

now.

If anybody has a question of your own that you'd like to ask Jeff Thomas, our

email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail

.com.

Give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence, and your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous.

If your question involves a personal and private matter, don't go away.

We'll be right back with Jeff Thomas.

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Our guest today for the entirety of the program is Jeff Thomas, who is

a world -renowned author and conference speaker, an author published

by Banner of Truth, Reformation Heritage Books, and also

Day One Publications.

We are addressing a very prominent theme in the lives of Christians

dealing with anxiety.

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and give us at least your first name, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you

live outside of the USA.

Before we return to our discussion, Jeff, I have a question that is somewhat off

topic, but it is relevant to where you formally pastored

in Wales.

Let me see here.

We have Alexander in Orlando, Florida.

I think Alexander may be a first -time questioner.

He asks, my brother in Wales who lives near Cardiff is not

a believer, and I want to try to point him to a solid church in his area to hear the true gospel.

Do you have a good church recommendation?

And I'll go on to the second question after you answer that one.

And do you happen to have, you may not have it handy right now, but do you have websites or anything like that?

That gives me a view.

If you

go to...

I also happen to know, and I'm sure you are familiar with this brother, because I'm nearly 100 certain that

you have preached on the same platform with him at Banner of Truth conferences,

but Mark G. Johnston, there's a T in there, J -O -H -N -S -T

-O -N, he is a pastor at Bethel Presbyterian Church.

Not any longer.

Oh, really?

Six months ago, he resigned and returned to his native Ulster

and to the church,

and that's where he is now, the minister of that church.

Well, I'm sure it's a church that is still worthy of recommendation.

Yep, oh, it is, yes, Bethel.

And if anybody wants more information, especially our listener, go to

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But you can continue on.

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Please continue to pray for my oldest brother, John, 76 years old in a

skilled nursing facility in Denton, Texas, still battling

with cancer, still battling critical stage emphysema, an inoperable

aneurysm and pneumonia.

Please pray for him also, especially, because he is not a believer, although he has

been showing very promising signs by things that he is telling me that he may

indeed be coming to Christ, maybe being drawn to Christ, or perhaps has even arrived at that point

where he truly is a believer, but I just am not yet 100 convinced of it

from what I have heard and what I know.

But please pray that the Lord gives me full confidence that my brother is indeed a

believer, that our Lord rescues him before he departs this earth.

And we also would ask for physical healing because God can do anything.

And I would love for my brother to be spending a lot longer time here on earth,

and especially if he is a new creature in Christ and is spreading the gospel to his

family there in Texas.

Please pray for my friend, Pastor Mac Tomlinson, who lives nearby, my

brother in Texas, and who visits him and shares the gospel with him.

And in fact, I think, Jeff, don't you have a friendship with Mac Tomlinson as well?

Very close,

he's an

article in the Bible.

Great.

In fact, I remember Mac mentioning David Brainard's brother in a previous interview I had with him.

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chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com and Brother Jeff, you may feel free to pick up

with more points that you planned to address on dealing with anxiety.

Yes, and my apologies to Alex in

Orlando, Florida.

I forgot to go back to his second question.

I never asked it.

He says, I really do not know much about Wales and have not visited

my brother there yet.

I haven't seen how it is there on the ground regarding the gospel.

My question is, what is the biggest hindrance to the gospel in Wales right now?

Amen.

Can you compare your experiences having lived in the

United Kingdom and also having lived for a portion of your life in the United States when you were

in seminary, but also having you've come here many times, many, many, many times to preach.

Can you compare the different challenges?

Some of what you have mentioned as far as the climate of the gospel in Wales

is some of it is universal, but is there any specific differences that

you have seen in both when you compare the UK to the United States?

Is that the biggest one in the world?

Yeah.

It actually astounds me that in the UK, Mormonism was

received, especially since it involves so much of

the North American continent in its own theology and so on.

Crazy.

How can you explain that?

And the influence of Satan.

When you give up believing in God, you believe

in God.

Well, it's also the influence of Satan.

But we have to go to our final break.

It's going to be a lot shorter than the other breaks.

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And Jeff, we have two anonymous questions

and I'm wondering if it's the same married couple because they are connected.

We have one anonymous question from someone who says, I

try to practice what I preach in remaining anxious for nothing and my

spouse frequently misunderstands this lack of anxiety as

being not worried at all about very serious and important matters in our

lives to the point that she thinks I am neglecting these things due to sheer

laziness.

And then we have the other anonymous question.

When someone is relying and trusting upon the Lord and attempting to be anxious for nothing,

don't you think that you should also simultaneously be doing all that they can do aggressively

to bring about positive resolution to conflicts and problems in the lives of their families?

So I don't know if that's the same couple.

I

can

remember

years

ago,

decades

ago,.

When I was an advertising agent for WMCA

radio, one of the affiliates of the largest Christian radio network in the world,

Salem Media.

And I remember a advertising client owed quite a bit of money,

thousands of dollars and I remember seeing him a

couple of times dining in the same restaurant that I would be in

and I would approach him and say hello and remind him of the debt that he had as

politely as I could.

And he would say, waiting on the Lord, brother, waiting on the Lord.

Now that would really infuriate me because I think he was misusing

the biblical truth.

Not to be anxious for anything by avoiding his responsibility to the point where it was actually

theft.

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I hope he's listening.

Do you have any other points that you care to share regarding the positive and or even just summary

remarks?

Yes, I have one final point.

And that's what we are to do.

We are to cast our cares upon the one who cares for us.

And he takes them without money and without purpose.

Amen.

We have time for one more question.

The answer will have to be fairly brief because of the lack of time.

But we have John in Bangor, Maine who says,.

Earlier, Chris Arnzen referred to anxiety as sin because it is a

violation of the command of Christ to be anxious for nothing.

How would you describe what Christ himself experienced in the Garden of Gethsemane when he

was sweating as if great drops of blood?

Was that anxiety or was it something else?

This was not fearing the unknown, as is most often the case with us who are anxious.

And obviously, it was not at all sin for Christ to be going through this.

Of course.

We're out of time, brother.

I'm sorry we can't expand this further as much as I'd love to, but we're out of time.

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I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are

a sinner.

Amen.