Season 2 Episode 1 - Abortion

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Opening Banter and Season Two Welcome

Guys welcome back to the point taken. Podcast this is the podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical questions and chat it up. My name is Hunter. I'm the host of this podcast. Love to do it.

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Beginning of the new season they may not know What are we talking about.

To my left as always Pastor Josiah Shipley now the question for pastor. Sia already is are you happy to be here, dude? I'm very happy to be here. Welcome shoulder. Everybody. All right, there it is instead of welcome.

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Defining Abortion and the Hector Hat

Our topic today guys our topic today is abortion. Awesome topic can't wait to get into it. You guys ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Let's go. We're ready. Okay guys, so let's talk about first and foremost Believe in defining our terms here.

So For that one person who's listening who says chaos abortion, right? What's abortion? All right. All right.

Abortion is the abortion is the terminating of a pregnancy by the Ending of the life of the fetus of the child that is in the womb. Okay. So yeah. Purposeful the purpose little the intentional killing of the child in the womb to terminate the pregnancy if you consider it a child.

Or a life. Right if you consider it life, right? So I was like very pro-life. Definition which is what I expect because I feel like we all would have that definition. So.

So let's could we the. Yeah good.

Explain everybody. Guess what? I'll do it. Okay, everybody. Guess what? It's now.

Someone's new to this. Can you tell everyone who Hector is?

So when we put on the hats, we are embodying the spirit of Hector. Hector is the heckler if you will. He is the guy that stands outside of your house at 3 o 'clock the morning saying you're wrong.

And he throws me to sit down and stop speaking.

Your truth because your truth is not true.

So we all have a hat and if ever anyone is wearing the hat that means they're giving the antithetical view on purpose.

And of course, we will be mentioning medical means that means opposite. Nice. Wow, dude. Thanks, man I'm not surprised. That's what it was he went. I don't like I don't like it. All right, so Hector has a point to me.

Yeah, and and we'll be we'll be announcing when we put on the hats, but yeah, so abortion the way I would define abortion is the hmm it is the. Really wonder I'm really wanting to get it super. Hector II will then do it.

I'm trying. Hold on. Let me think about the source is failing. It is the termination of a pregnancy. The end. Intentional or unintentional Hector. Because then you're saying a miscarriage. Oh, no. No, no, because termination is implied intention.

It's absolutely not but I will I disagree. Hold on. I Disagree. Termination is implied intention. Okay, fine. Fine. I mean right now the Terminator didn't accidentally go after Sarah Conner.

Are you about to use Arnold Schwarzenegger and you're gonna pull him in there?

Absolutely, dude. He showed up for Sarah Connor and he said I'm going to terminate you and first terminate and first. If I were to go up to one of my people and say you're fired. Which I can't do but let's say that I could and I say you're fired.

I'm terminating you. I didn't accidentally fire them I intentionally fired. I mean, let me hear your argument on that real quick. Wait a minute. Okay, right. No. Well, I'm gonna say this. What if. Because what ifs are what we do that's what it's about.

What if I'm prepared to take your point terminate? So I'm gonna terminate this pregnancy. Okay, my the. You have the mother's life and the baby's life or imbalance. Okay, if I terminate the life of the mother the baby lives if I terminate the life of the baby the mother lives.

Okay using that line of logic. That's a different that's not that's not willful that's a life like one of the two of them. Okay, we're gonna say this point. So you said I am going to terminate this. All right, right so that to me spells intention whether or not you're meaning like I am going to kill this other person.

But say I'm gonna one of the other I'm gonna do it doesn't have to be evil. Just I'm just talking technical but I'm saying that.

So I did want to. I talked to a lot of people that said they just like to listen. So I'll announce or you know, he is wearing. Hey, Andrew is wearing the Hector. I'm like, okay, but.

The definition that was said before is the willful termination or the willful killing of a Embryo, right? That was the pro-life, but I'm saying that abortion Can me can be okay if the mother's life's in danger, so that's not a termination as much as it's a Choosing which life to save got it.

Okay. Yeah, that's not at all of a point. I'm arguing. I'm arguing for the the Hector definition. The pro-choice definition is the termination of a pregnancy.

That and that means willful. That's that's fun. We can we can settle on that. No problem. That's because that's what we're talking about. Anyway as a fellow Hector Don't whisper that again. I Think that's gonna be my new thing.

All right continue. I'm sorry. All right, so we have one Hector point about. Let's go ahead and get into mother. Yeah, I think I think what might be beneficial is to help us Distinguish between something.

We don't do a good job distinguishing it if I may brother hunter. I Think that one area the Christians are really weakened is just writing a certain political party in this Category instead of thinking critically in their own terms.

Yeah. Abortion for a Christian should not to be a political issue. It is a Bible issue for a Christian. Okay, and we'll get into all the what-ifs in a minute and I think we should by the way I think we're doing a disservice if we didn't right, but I think all of us can agree on this if You are pro-life.

Because that is a political party you support you're failing as a Christian. You should be pro-life forgetting a political sense because God is. And that we recognize that all human beings including Hector are created in the image of God and I think that's the key point and we can go into why but Just a couple quick examples, you know.

The Holy Spirit came upon John the Baptist when he was still in his mother Elizabeth's womb, right? Okay, David Has the most intimate telling about how God what knit him together in his mother's womb that he was conceived in sin.

There's no doubt from a biblical perspective that life begins at conception that right from it for a Christian. There's there's no doubt and if life begins at a conception and there's a separation between human life and the rest of it.

Yes, I know that we all love our dogs and our cats and not all of us. But some people like dogs and cats and all that stuff. That's fine. But there's a separation between human life and the rest of God's creation and God's point is that human beings are created in his image.

Thus have inherent value. And should be treated as such so just laying out the Christian point so we can move on to that the other points the Christian Worldview should be not one of a political issue, but one of a Bible issue.

What percentage you are taxed as a political issue who you vote for as a political issue? Immigration is a political issue abortion is a Bible issue.

Well abortion is going to call back to episode one or two or some. Moral and that's moral and ethical, right? Yeah, that's what it is. This is an ethical issue right. Like should it be right. Should it be?

Okay? What are the arguments for? I think This is what's real crazy to me. Sorry, is I'm a I think of this way on like the gun stance like Second Amendment and stuff I've never sat there and because I'm very pro-gun very pro Second Amendment I've never sat there and thought of the people who didn't like guns like boy Hate those guys right.

Those guys are the worst and they're evil. I was like no because in my opinion a lot of those people say Let's take away guns because I believe that will solve the problem of people being killed by guns.

Right. I disagree with that. But the but you believe that they actually believe right?

It's not that they're trying to you know, not all of them trying to be jerks or anything. It's just like hey, they really I think that this will solve the problem. But when it comes to abortion That's what's always stifled me is that I can't really think like that because I'm just like What are you arguing for?

Yeah, I mean you're literally on the killing babies side of the team.

In that same regard this is where like and that we've got to quit marking lines in the sand and dying on hills that don't matter like like Vaccine not vaccine stuff like that. Like come on from it for a Christian perspective.

Thank you. Not be a hill you die on I mean there that can when you're not dying on the important ones, right? Exactly. You speak louder about that than you do about the things that actually matter.

I am upset because there are no more Ten Commandments in front of the court, right? Scene does not include these because we don't pray to open up our school classes, right? Yeah, I think.

We've gotten lulled to sleep in this regard to hunters point I can I Can have a a godly Christian disagree with me on so many fronts. Yeah, I don't. I don't care if they vote for the same person. I think sure who cares but in this area if you call yourself a Christian and Are in support of the murder of children in the womb used to Used to and we still can I'd now for all those people who say well then it's really an argument of war life begins.

Then let me tell you why that Encourages me. Yeah, then we can have a conversation a hundred because okay. Cuz if you truly don't believe life begins until say week 20 and bring lots of conversation. We can have.

The problem is there are Christians right now today that will say this. No, obviously life begins at conception. It's just not a life that matters. Okay, a Daughter of a prominent politician in this country.

Both her mother and her father were prominent politicians. This family said this about ten years ago. She said a reporter asked her Do you think it is unethical to oppose abortion? And she said not only is it unethical to oppose abortion.

It's un-christian to oppose abortion, dude. Let that sink in for a minute. So again, if it's an argument about when does life begin that's a worthwhile argument that I think we should have but to those Christians who admit No, it absolutely is.

That's Another category of an even deeper problem. I think I believe. Man, I mean that that's that's sad that saddens me. Yeah.

When Life Begins and What Counts as Human

So let's let's talk about it real quick. Sure. When does life begin? Let's go ahead and do that and then we're gonna go into your Hector's point and then I've got a Hector point. You've got a Hector point.

I've got a Hector's just all over this episode guys. If Hector's your favorite character saddle up. All right guys so life when does life begin. Formed you in your mother's womb. Okay. So now we've got the womb.

Let's back it up from okay. I'm outside of the womb. Am I alive? Outside of me right here 24 years old sitting here on this podcast. Oh, am I alive? Yes has life started. Yes, okay. Yeah, when my mom was pregnant with me if God formed me in the womb in my life.

Yeah, okay. We're still backpedaling. Let's backpedal all the way. So when in that womb. Did life begin before the foundation of the world?

Before the foundation of the world, but I guess he's asking in time. When did that take place?

Whenever you were conceived I would assume at conception is what you would say. I would say that at conception. I would say that you were at least thought of and already figured out. Before everything even start before time even started, but that's that's the Romans.

Argument, I would assume. Yeah. Here's what I would say from a Christian vantage point you've got to do something with the sentence I was conceived in sin and that's important because David's speaking about a human being right and he's not.

I mean a tree is not conceived in sin the point being is David makes a really good argument that life begins at conception because God wouldn't call a tree sinful. Right, that's the point and a tree is alive.

Trees alive. One common Decent biological argument that could be made. I won't even put a Hector hat on here. This is a thought-provoking by the way Christians. It's okay to think critically and ask questions right make you a heretic even if it makes you a little uncomfortable, right?

They'll say okay. Let's at least be consistent. Let's do heartbeat. Okay, if we're gonna use the little green line going flat to say someone's life is over. Let's use that the same as someone's life began.

Okay. All right, even though I think biblically. You're gonna have a hard time not saying conception. Let's go there the average heartbeat Begins at about three weeks. The average woman doesn't know she's pregnant till four to six weeks.

The overwhelming Majority of intentional abortions. Overwhelming are far after a heartbeat. So if we're just gonna go based on biology, so let's say all right. Let's remove the Bible from it, which I always love how Christians fall for that trap.

They can keep their worldview, but you have to get rid of yours. You have most women don't know that. I've had, you know, my wife's had two children. Most women don't know they're pregnant until they're six weeks pregnant.

Five weeks that they're lucky we're talking about a heartbeat that's beginning when the child is smaller than your thumbnail. Okay, so so I think from a scientific biological argument. I don't know how you can get past a heartbeat now.

Other Hector's will will or even genuine will say all right, they'll say pain. When you can feel pain. Which is that about as far as we can tell you can only do something test 20 weeks in embryo, right?

Okay. The problem with that argument where it fails so much is if someone's numbed up on painkillers or they no longer human. They're no longer alive, right? Are we really using that as our guideline, right?

Which. I think there's a very slippery slope that we could easily fall into if we do that around for sure. I mean, that's that's a horrible way to try to do then you have had the argument of What's it called Assisted suicide.

Yeah. Yeah, and euthanasia.

It's like when so if if I can pick when I determine when life starts I can pick and determine when I think life should be over and if someone is in a vegetated state. Sure, the brain waves are gone. They're never gonna come back.

Okay. Yeah, I have the power of death. I can kill that person. I think.

Yeah, exactly and I think. What's so amazing is the blatant inconsistency we have. I mean think about it still in most states. Still in those states if you shoot a pregnant woman and they both die, what do you charge with double homicide?

Okay, right. But if you go to a doctor and pay government money.

Then you did a good thing right. What's amazing is not just an okay thing a good thing. There are some states.

And if you don't believe me right now, I I encourage you to pull out your little cell phone or get your Google fingers ready. They're probably on their cell phones watching this but okay that works. Okay.

Well, I watch on my laptop. Okay.

We're not all perfect. Okay. Thank you.

There are some states that are still trying to do something that was outlawed 20 years ago and bring back Post birth abortions. No, no, no, I challenge the Christian and myself by the way. No, most people find that appalling.

Is it less appalling three weeks earlier? No, or five weeks earlier. In other words, it's not less appalling. It's okay. It's a little less shocking.

Yeah, because you don't see right that that that's literally what it is. It's the veil, you know.

Latency, there's a reason that. How do I say this? We all rebel in different ways but most of the time. There's still a level of shame that comes from a rebellion. There are still certain buildings that don't have windows for a reason.

Because we're ashamed of our rebellion. Yeah, okay. What we're talking about now, so so when it's you know, there's a there's a documentary called the silent screen. Yeah, it's kind of tough to watch but it's probably should be watched.

When you can't hear it, it's the same reason why some people find it easier to kill a fly than to do a deer. Right. Okay. It definitely is more impactful because it you know, it's funny as men. When I put my hand on my wife's stomach.

When Ava was second trimester, so I'm just gonna make five five months. So 20 to 25 weeks and I put my hand and I felt Ava kick against my hand. I'm like That's an alien party. Yeah, what is that thing?

Whoa, like you can't convince me. You could have every scientist in the world I You would not be able to convince me that what I felt that time was not alive. We can call it whatever we want was not alive.

We're not you know, I talked to my wife about it. Like what does that feel like? She goes. I Really can't describe it to you because some days it feels like In the early days you say in the earth like very early if your feelings it feels like a bunch of gas.

Right and then later on she goes. Feels like a creatures inside me moving around all the time like all the time and then we go to get ultrasound later on and you know, she's not turning to where we could see the.

If if you have not been blessed with going in an ultrasound the past five to ten years since the technologies advanced. Let me tell you something. It is so cool. It's cool. Anyway, she's just moving this little thing over Rachel's belly and I can see Ava in there or Naomi and they can see through the skull and see.

See through her chest and see the heart moving. I mean, this is crazy. We're talking about she's the size of this little bottle and I'm seeing all this right? Well, she's not turning over to where we can see her face at 20 weeks pregnant a child can start recognizing and memorizing voices outside the womb so in other words.

She in other words she can recognize Voices that she hears all the time at 20 rates pregnant outside the womb man like fathers preachers radio. Stuff like that. It's cool. It's cool. I said Ava and I Like Rachel is where you were at.

Yeah, and then the baby moved in her belly towards me towards what I do when I just said. And I'm just like, okay. Let's call a spade a spade guys. Kid, I mean, let's at least call a spade a spade. Are you kidding me?

You're you're not gonna be able to convince me I'm unconvincible in this right? We have two groups of people when we talk about this. Really three we have those that know it's wrong, but are afraid. Okay, that's a very real are scared are Don't know what else to do.

We have people that's know what's wrong. There's a really a fool know what's wrong, but are in rebellion. I Don't care.

It's more convenient. Yes, I do this.

We have people that think it's actually okay because they don't truly believe it's a life. Then we have people that think it's okay. Because they've been told it's not a life that matters. They've been duped.

They've been told it's just not a life that matters. So it's you got to know which group you're speaking to when you talk about these things. But from the Christian perspective you have to accept That God values all life, which would also include the doctor who performed that abortion.

It would include the mother and include the father who allowed that. God values all life including the child's right.

The Pro-Choice Argument, Providence, and Adoption

So let's talk about. It's not a life that matters. Real quick. Oh.

All right, Pastor Josiah has the Hector hat on. I have the Hector head on. Please everyone understand. I have the Hector head on. There we go. Okay, say my Bob the Builder Hector hat. No. You put it on side.

Alright. All right, we got to get Hector beanies or something, yeah, right. All right. Yeah patch. It's not a life that matters. Okay, fine. Hector head on. I accept that is a life and that God would probably not want me to kill this job.

However, the Bible also says to raise your children up in the nurture and the admonition of the Lord. I Would not be able to provide this child with a loving godly life. It's a one-parent household, there's no one else.

I don't have the money to do it. I'd have to put them up for Adoption. Anyway, I can't take care of this child. I'm in not a state to do it. I am too young. I am too Mentally distressed. I have too much going on.

I have too many issues. I would not be able to raise this child up as God would have it. So I'm gonna fail either way. I'm gonna fail either way and I'm gonna pull a lot of people's other people's lives in the dirt with me if I go through This pregnancy.

So what am I supposed to do when it God rather me though? He probably would not prefer to just get rid of this child. Man, that's really hard for me to wear this. To get rid of this child so that I don't cause despair and all these other areas as well.

Well. First question would be has there ever been. That was really hard for me to say by the way. Okay, Oh Hector. Yeah, has there ever been an accidental pregnancy and I'll ask that to the table an.

Accidental pregnancy. My Hector head is off now. Yeah, the Hector hat is off. I don't I don't I.

Don't believe in fate. I don't believe in whatnot. I'm sorry. I don't believe in coincidences. I don't believe in accidents. Everything has a purpose everything has a everything has been planned out. Purposed by whom or by what purpose by God for God's glory.

Okay, so it's your belief that things that happen Everything that happened is purposed by God. Yes. Yeah, I'm into by God. Uh-huh, which is. Yep, wait, are you really? Mm-hmm. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not kidding.

We're no disrespect. I just I didn't know that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're legit a determinist. Mm-hmm. Oh, I think it to what extent before we move on. I'm sorry to what extent I think God has a plan for every single Thing that's ever happened.

Okay, but does he? Work all things. He works everything out for his glory regardless of what it looks like for us. Yeah, okay, so I'm bored with that yeah so far so am I. It's not necessarily a determinist stance though.

Well, I think what is beneficial and he even took it back when he said it. I think that's what's so. Purposeful because a lot of times we get into and we probably should do an episode on it, by the way.

Sure. Oh, we have it scheduled free will the term, okay?

I think a key point that would settle a lot of confusion in this area just to make it apply here is it's not fate. It's right. It is Providential in other words, you know, no, that's why I'm so glad that you said that at the end.

There's a difference between saying it's fated and It's Providence because one has a purpose one does not so an atheistic worldview where we're all just Molecules in motion, we're all just protoplasms and just doing whatever the Chemical reactions in our brain brain have destined us to do that's fate.

That's purposeless. There's no purpose in that. That's that's that is Atheistic deterministic fate. Yeah, what Andrew was describing is Providence where there is a grand designer and purpose behind it and that's a world of difference, but yeah, we're probably point being point being is in that sense, of course, there's not an accidental pregnancy in that sense because.

I plan for good. Yeah, exactly I think yeah, and I think the real question is what I'm saying here. And and the reason I ask is because some Christians will go to the point of saying we don't use condoms.

We don't use this. We don't believe in vasectomies. We don't believe in that because If there is a pregnancy then it was ordained by God hand-delivered by God and all that. And so then there are some that just say okay, we won't have any outside surgeries.

But we can use protection or whatever like that. So it's just the question to the table when it comes to what Hector brought up is. About being able to provide a good life and all that stuff is is it a possibility that somebody gets pregnant outside of God's will?

Outside of his will. No, I don't think so. I Think that God will provide no matter what regardless of the circumstances you may fall yours find yourself in if you are if you are a single parent who That's any circumstances you get pregnant under God will provide a way for you.

Okay.

Yeah, I would say that in regards to the first point about well, why even Do X Y or Z if God has said this will happen all that stuff. Well, that's the same thing throughout the whole Bible, you know.

He said I'm gonna make sure Nehemiah that you build the wall by the way train your guys and carry swords. In other words, he uses means to bring it about he didn't just he mean has means to bring it about the same as he Told the disciples I'll be with you wherever you go, by the way, go sell your coat and buy a sword by the way.

You know eat this, you know all that stuff. So in other words that doesn't get rid of our Responsibility and what we're supposed to do. But to your other point I would say you were saying something about.

Well, what did you say after the accidental pregnancy thing I.

Was talking about is it possible to be pregnant outside of God saying you're gonna have a child.

Certainly possibly pregnant outside of what he desired for your life. But if you mean outside of his wills and his his control what he has Purposed or allowed to take place. No, of course not. But if you mean Outside of what he's permitted.

Yeah, of course this goes into that other episode, but God has Permitted that he doesn't always get that which he wants. He always get what he wills but he doesn't always get what he wants. In other words He made a law.

Knowing that it would be broken. Right. So so in that and he didn't want it to be. You know, it's like the old past I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked. That doesn't mean he doesn't kill the wicked.

Right means he takes no pleasure in it. He's not happy about it, right? So in that sense when it comes to the the pregnancy I think one key point that we should make and I'm about to say something so get ready to clutch your pearls.

So this the hogs don't step on. Yeah, cuz I guarantee you someone's not gonna let me finish this thought process. Is it gonna be me? No, no. No, someone okay being pregnant outside of wedlock is not sinful but Listen to how I said that being Pregnant outside of wedlock is not sinful.

Now the act that caused that pregnancy for certainly was for both people involved right but the act of being pregnant in other words. Someone can fully repent of that make it right all that stuff right and still be pregnant outside of wedlock in other words.

We don't need to look at the state of being pregnant as sinful, right? Oh. Premarital sex is sinful premarital adultery is like the child right from that. It's not so in other words. In other words the heart could be for a repentant man or woman.

Changed and then the woman is still pregnant as a result of the sinful actions from four months ago. Does that one follow me on that? All right. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that's important for us as Christians to keep in mind is that the consequences and results of sin can remain far after their penance for him for it has already happened and that's true of all of our lives the The results of that sin are still going to take place even after that doesn't necessarily mean the sinful state is still there and the reason that's important is because Anyone listening here now?

That and I'm by the way men you are not less responsible in this scenario that has had an abortion. You are no more a sinner than I am or hunter is or Andrew is. Now we're still gonna call a spade a spade by the way, right?

Okay, but you're no more sinful than anyone else. You are a sinner in need of a Savior just like the rest of us so I make that distinction and I knew I'd get that look because because it it's just the thought of right you May or may not be in a continual state of sin for the next nine and a half months.

But you don't have to be just because the result of it is still there.

That's all I was getting at. Yeah, so our shot. All right, so. Hold on. Hold on. We gotta we gotta answer Hector we got to get down to what was said. Is God said to raise them up. Proper right right in the Lord's love right?

And so he says if I'm not in that position to do that Why is it that I wouldn't be able to terminate the pregnancy because I would be having it in disobedience.

Is an amazing little euphemism so used to make it sound better. Right. Terminate the pregnancy instead of kill the baby.

I'm sitting here like thinking everything through to try and be as accurate as I can. What was asked from that perspective. So the reason I brought up the question Is it possible to be pregnant by accident?

By outside of God saying This is a life. I knew that baby before it ever entered the freaking egg. I Knew that baby before the sex was ever had right like I knew its name I knew how many hairs would be on its head should have live.

I knew this that you know, I The second that sperm hit the egg. I started forming it in its womb. Wow, like Right then and right there. So if I believe that Then I'm hard-pressed to believe that God would say It's totally chill if you want to kill this that I put in there and that I formed and that I knew and that I did all that because you you just don't have the means and Also when it comes to you not having the means with me being the great provider.

You know, you know I'm saying like if you actually are trying and you honestly had the opinion I want to raise this child up in love and admonition of the Lord the way the Bible tells me to and Then you but you're going to ignore the passage when it says look at the lilies of the field and how it's coded.

Look at even the sparrow right like oh you of little faith I Look first to the kingdom look first to the kingdom of God and all these things will be added on to you like if you want to ignore that part and just look at this part that you're feeling like I'm I'm not sure I can live up to that.