WWUTT 675 Q&A With Dr. Voddie Baucham (Part 2)

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Many of the Bible stories and verses we think we know, we don't. When we understand the text as an online ministry committed to teaching sound doctrine and exposing the faulty, visit our website at www .utt

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.com. Now here's our host, Pastor Gabe Hughes. Thank you, Becky. This being

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Friday, we usually take questions from the listeners and respond to them on the Friday edition of the broadcast, but we are on vacation right now.

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So God willing, I'll be back on again next week, and Becky will be with me. If you would like to submit a question, send it by email to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com.

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For this week, here is a Q &A with Dr. Votie Bauckham. Votie, you've written a lot about family, two of your books,

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Family Driven Faith, Family Shepherds. Yes. A little bit of why that is such a heartbeat of yours.

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Yeah. Well, I did a trilogy of books there, and really, the first of those,

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Family Driven Faith, was birthed out of...I mean, if you cut me, I believe apologetics, and particularly cultural apologetics.

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So kind of Francis Schaeffer type of applying the truth and the implications of the gospel to apologetic issues, and some of the most significant apologetic issues of our day surround biblical manhood, biblical womanhood, marriage, and family.

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And so those things were birthed out of my desire to address those particular issues, and also out of my own experience, and that being such a significant thing for me personally.

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So those two things are what came together and sort of motivated that trilogy of books. What should the church's response be to the same -sex marriage issue?

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How has your church handled this? What should the Christian response be? You know, the Bible says that marriage is to be held in esteem among all, and this is not marriage being held in esteem.

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This is blasphemy. This is blasphemy against God. This is wickedness of the worst kind.

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Homosexuality is unique among sins. Let me say that again. Homosexuality is unique among sins.

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You know, people want us to say, well, you know, all sin is the same, and that's not true. That's why Jesus said it would be worse for some on that day.

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So how can it be true that God just views all sin exactly the same, but Jesus says it would be worse for some, okay?

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Better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and be cast into the deepest part of the sea. And he's talking about one who leads little ones astray.

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Homosexuality is unique among sins in this way. Number one, it's one of very few sins to be listed as an abomination.

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Not it's an abomination for Israel, but it's an abomination to God. For example, when you talk about things like their dietary laws and things like that, there were things that God said, this is an abomination for you,

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Israel, because you're separate as a people and you're not to be like those people, so it would be an abomination for you.

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Homosexuality is not an abomination for Israel, it's an abomination, period. Secondly, it's the only sin that has the distinction of being the cause of God raining fire and brimstone on the earth.

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No other sin that was the cause of God destroying twin cities, okay?

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Thirdly, it has the distinction of being a direct affront to the picture of the

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Godhead and of the picture of the relationship between Jesus Christ and his church. In these ways, homosexuality is a unique sin.

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Also it's unique in that in the Romans 1 passage in the devolution of culture, it's unique in that that's the sin for which

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Paul says men receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error.

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It's unique in that it as a sin is a direct affront to the image of God in man and the complimentary way in which he made the human race.

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So this is wicked and it's something that must be confronted. It must be confronted because of its implications for societies and cultures.

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It must be confronted because of its implications for the individuals practicing this.

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People who practice homosexuality have a rough go of it, man. It's tough. Their suicide rate is off the charts.

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Their domestic violence rate, higher than any other group of individuals. Their contraction of sexually transmitted diseases, again, more than other groups or individuals and not just sexually transmitted diseases but other sort of maladies that are caused that we won't go into because there's young ears here, you know, by this lifestyle.

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Their rate of alcoholism, higher than any other group that you can mention or name.

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This is something that's devastating to individuals. It's devastating to cultures. It's devastating to societies and it has implications that undermines the future of cultures that embrace homosexual marriage because it undermines the very definition of marriage itself.

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It leads to the over -sexualization of young boys and young girls.

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I could go on but there's huge implications to this particular issue and the way that it's been sort of sold to us has been masterful in a very evil sort of way.

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All right. I have one final question but perhaps we can take, if there's anyone from the floor that has a final question that wants to raise their hand.

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We had a few less in the box than we expected so, yes, you can be brief. Ask brief, not statements, just questions and Vody will give the answer.

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I was watching this on YouTube which is quite shocking. It's pastors of LA, that's all

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I have to say. Pastors of LA.

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Have you all seen this? Yeah, okay.

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Who's seen this? Who's seen pastors of LA? Okay. You know what's interesting about that?

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Almost exclusively black people in the room who've seen that. Almost exclusively, okay, who've seen pastors of LA.

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I just thought I'd point that out, okay? Pastors of LA is a reality

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TV show about a group of pastors. They're all black except one.

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There's one pastor who's a white pastor in Los Angeles and what they did in order to make this reality

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TV show is, I believe, they said, what group of pastors could we choose that would make

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Christianity look the worst and how can we follow their lives?

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And that's what they did and it is grievous, it's horrible, it's sad, really.

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But this is a picture of the commercialization of Christianity in America.

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It's big business, man. It's big business and pastors have become, in many areas like that, pastors have become everything but pastors and that's what those men are, they're everything but pastors.

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And I mean, these guys have five and six cars in the garage and there's the Rolls Royce, you know, there's the

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Bentley and there's the Mercedes and I think today I'm going to take the, you know what I mean, the Ferrari and I mean, it's just opulent, just it's ridiculous.

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It's absolutely ridiculous. They're all word of faith, you know, prosperity type, you know, preachers, yeah.

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I think every one of them is divorced and remarried. One of them is divorced and not remarried. I think every one of them except the white guy, he's the only one who hadn't been, you know, divorced and remarried.

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So, yeah, it's, yeah, and I think things like that are intentional, you know.

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I think that's what the enemy wants. I think you see that on television for the same reason that you don't usually see

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John MacArthur on television. You know, when they want to talk about, you know, cultural issues, they want some guy who stammers and sounds like an idiot and whatever but someone who's unafraid, someone who will just tell them what the scripture says, who won't back down, you know, who will preach the gospel.

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Man, they don't want to hear from that guy. We don't want to hear from you. We want to hear from the person who ordains homosexuals, you know, we want to hear from the person who's, you know, social gospel, social justice, neo -Marxism, you know, we want to hear from the person who's a heretic.

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We want to, these are the people that we want to represent Christianity and I think that's intentional because there's a desire for the things that we preach to not be heard.

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And I think, you know, unfortunately these guys don't even care that they're being used in this regard.

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It's sad. Yeah. I bet they didn't come to John MacArthur because he's in L .A.,

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right? Guaranteed they didn't come to him, you know? All right, last question.

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Yeah, a young lady over here, I pointed to her first, I'm sorry. She doesn't want to though.

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I mean, you could, yeah. Okay, we'll do both. We'll do her and then we'll do you. Yes. I'm the reality show fan.

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Yeah. Best funeral ever. Is it a mockery or is it a way to celebrate?

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Oh, this one out of Dallas? This one out of Dallas? No. That's, now my wife is from Dallas, okay?

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My wife is from Dallas. She knows this funeral home. Oh, did I just point you out like that? Did I just do that?

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I'm sorry. It's because I love you so much. So she is.

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She's from Dallas and my brother -in -law knows the people at this funeral home. That's not something that they just made up for TV.

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This is something that they do. But this also goes to the heart of a culture that feels like it's gotten beyond the gospel.

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A funeral. You know what? At a funeral, as a pastor, someone has died.

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There's a couple of things. Number one, my job as a pastor is basically to shepherd people to the grave. That's my job.

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My job is to walk with people as they die, because we're all dying. And then when people die as a pastor, it's my opportunity to proclaim the gospel and to remind those who are living that this is the way that all of us are going to go.

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That death is the last enemy and it's to lift up Christ. I do not do services for the memory of the deceased.

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You want to do that, you do it at home when we're finished. The funeral is about the gospel. It's about Jesus, okay?

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And we don't want that anymore. We want this thing to be the celebration of life.

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You know, we want everybody to have a mini version of what Mandela had, you know, where it's all about him and all about, you know, whatever.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If a nation wants to do that about a person, that's great.

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But when he comes to church, it's about the gospel. It's about Jesus. It's about death, the last enemy.

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It's about the most real thing that we'll ever face as Christians or non -Christians. That's what it's about, okay?

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And I think this show is really about how we've moved from that to the idea of funerals being the celebration of people, being the celebration of their life.

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And that's just not what a funeral ought to be. And I've told my wife,

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I've told my fellow elders, and anybody else who might be involved with my funeral, my life is not worth celebrating.

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Don't do it. Don't do it. Make much of Christ. I'm dead anyway, you know?

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Yeah, so, again, I think this goes to the heart of, we feel like the gospel's old news, you know?

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I mean, we feel like we need something more. We feel like we need something else. And so we've even taken death, which is the ultimate opportunity for us to cause men to face their own mortality, and turn that into something that takes away the stain of our sin.

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And I think it's sad, you know? Anyway. All right, last one.

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Okay, cool. So I just wanted to ask, I think because you're passionate about cultural apologetics, but specifically in the urban context, what do you think of Christian hip -hop?

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And my wife is not going to let me go home if I don't ask this question, because she can't ask it.

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You can answer it after this. She just wanted to know why women are not allowed to preach in the church.

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And if a woman feels that she has the gift of preaching, why isn't she allowed to preach?

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Thanks. All right.

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1 Timothy 2, verse 12, I do not prevent a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.

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Rather, she is to remain quiet. So, because the

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Bible says so. And that's it. The other thing is, well, what if a person feels like they have gifts to do that?

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No one gets to do everything they feel like they're gifted at. No one does. What if a man who has several wives feels like he's gifted to be a pastor?

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The Bible says he must be the husband of one wife, right? So just because you feel like you're gifted to do something, that doesn't give you the right to overthrow biblical qualifications.

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The office of the elder, Paul says, when he's talking about the elder, he must be the husband of one wife.

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He's talking about man, okay? That office is exclusively for men. That's the office of the pastor teacher.

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So if the office is exclusively for men, and the Bible is very clear that women are not to teach or exercise authority over men, there's absolutely no room for women to be in that office or to exercise that authority in the church, okay?

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The other, you talk about hip -hop,

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Christian hip -hop. I'm not a fan of Christian hip -hop. I'm not a fan of hip -hop. Hip -hop is a culture that I believe is antithetical to the gospel.

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I grew up with South Central Los Angeles. I grew up with hip -hop. I don't mean I grew up with it playing in my home.

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I didn't. I mean, I grew up where it grew up, and I grew up when it grew up. It comes out of gang culture, okay?

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Hip -hop has a music, it's mainly rap. Hip -hop has a graphic art, it's graffiti.

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Graffiti was tagging for gangs to tag their territory. Hip -hop has a dance, it went from popping and locking to now animating and other things like that.

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Hip -hop has a language, it's slang, it's the bastardization of language.

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Hip -hop has an ethos, that ethos is aggressive, that ethos is arrogant, that ethos shoots the middle finger at the culture.

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Much of it is degrading. It's degrading to women. It's not only degrading to women, it's degrading to men.

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You walk around with your pants sagging and people looking at your underwear. You got a hat, you got to cock it all to the side, again, why are we doing this?

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It's not the best that culture has to offer, and we ought to be about the highest and best that culture has to offer.

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And so if we want to evangelize to people in this inferior subculture, then we ought to, but we do not drag the church down to this inferior subculture.

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So that's my opinion. Others will differ and disagree, you know, but I'm not a white guy who's going to be labeled as a racist, so I'll just say what

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I feel. On that note, you got a little rhyme you could end us with?

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Back in the day, okay, back in the day, I did, you know, but again, can there be a use of, you know, these things, and can you, you know, minister to people in, you know, various areas and cultures?

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I mean, yeah, we ought to do that. You know, can it be helpful for this, that, or the other?

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Yeah, it can be helpful for this, that, or the other, but I think it goes back to the question that we had earlier about, you know, church for niches, you know?

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And so we're going to have this. I wouldn't want a hip -hop culture church any more than I would want an 80s soft rock culture church, you know?

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That's not where we go. We go to our highest and best, and we go to common denominator. We connect ourselves to history, we connect ourselves to one another.

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We need things that do that, and this culture is not one that does that.

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Yeah, and there's so many things about it that I think are just hugely problematic. There are things that it's good at, that it's better at.

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I think the prophetic invictive, you know, I think that fits better in that genre than in other genres, but I mean, other than that, man,

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I'm just, I'm worried about it, and I'm especially worried when I see here, when

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I see that influence coming here, you know? Because it's not the best that we have to offer, and it just saddens me when

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I go to different parts of the world, and I see people embracing that which is less than the best that we have to offer, because there's a lot that we have to offer in the

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U .S. God's been good to us, and we've been blessed in abundance. That's not the best that we have to offer.

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Someone's asked that you please lead us two more times in a repetition of that key statement, why we believe the

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Bible. Because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses.

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They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin, okay?

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Once more. It's a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses.

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They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.

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Can we express our thanks to Vodie for an incredible evening? This is

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