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Bro. Otis Fisher
We're in Romans chapter 7.
Were it not for sin.
Death would have never had a beginning.
But Dennis if it were not for death Sin would never have an end
now.
I want to know something
Which is the worst to love sin or to commit sin?
Joy.
Why is that worse?
Is that right Dennis?
All right, a man can commit sin through a
temptation or ignorance and be sorry for it.
Get forgiveness for it.
But he who loves sin his will is in the sin.
And that aggravates it and it's like the
dye Which makes the wool crimson in color
and worse than that he doesn't realize he's sinning.
First verse.
Know you not brethren.
For I speak to them that know the law.
How that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth.
Now legal terms are only binding To a man as long as he is
alive.
Paul's going to use the husband and wife relationship as a demonstration
to show that they have died to the law and
They're now free to marry another and this marrying another is
what Russell?
They they have died to the law and they're free to marry another.
All right.
Now we were not free in the technical sense of the word you either Love Satan
or you love Christ.
There's no in -between second verse.
For the woman which hath and husband Is bound
by the law to her husband as long as he liveth.
But if the husband be dead She's loosed from the law of her husband.
Greg.
Turn to Colossians 2 and read me 13 and 14 and 15.
That pretty well nails down the fact that we're dead to the law and we're in
Christ and we are alive.
Third verse.
So then if While her husband liveth she be married to another
man She shall be called an adulteress.
But if her husband be dead She's free from the law.
So that she is no longer an adulteress Though she be married to another man
so it's death that separates this union on earth and He's
using that to show how we are dead to the law.
Know this that when the husband dies the wife dies as a wife.
Therefore my brethren Ye also are become dead to
the law by union with the body of Christ.
That ye should be married to another even to him who is raised from the dead.
That we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Now the word body suma.
That which casts a shadow as This thing distinguished from the shadow
itself.
That ye should be married to another even to him who is raised from the dead that we
should bring forth fruit Unto God
were to be productive now.
Dennis if I produce fruit while a Christian I Must also decide
what fruit and where can be the where can be used.
Is that right?
All
right, listen real close if I produce fruit while a Christian I
Must also decide what fruit and where it can best be used.
John let me get your thoughts
Is that who I think it is?
You belong up here
always with the excuse.
We're in Romans the seventh chapter.
And we've just finished the First second verse somewhere is in there
and I had just asked the question If I produce fruit while a Christian I
Is that true
if I produce fruit while a Christian?
I must also decide what fruit and where it can be best used.
Yes, that's why I had you move up here.
Well.
No, not really.
But I want to know what I meant by or what you mean if I produce fruit.
Dennis what do you say to that if I produce fruit?
What do you mean
and you'll produce it?
That's right.
I think you all have got it pretty well down.
But John he says if I produce fruit, what do you mean if you're going to produce it?
Whether you know it or whether you want to whether you don't want to that's your course in life.
We are to bring it forth.
We're the branch on which it is hung.
We're not to distribute it.
Father's already done that.
In 1st Thessalonians 5 and 10 we find these words.
What
in 1st Thessalonians 5 and 10 we find who died for us?
That whether we are asleep whether we Wake or sleep.
We should live together with him makes no difference whether you're alive.
Whether you're asleep.
The only thing that makes the difference is while you're here.
You can and will produce fruit if
a Christian follows any Interpretation.
Now, I stress this most strongly.
If a Christian Follows any interpretation other than the
truth.
They're living in adultery.
Yes.
You have produced fruit you're producing fruit and you're going to produce fruit as long as you're
alive in this world.
It stops when you die
if a Christian Follows any interpretation other than the truth.
Now, how do we know that what we're teaching is true, how does a teacher know?
Joy
our Father has given us the truth and we're not free
to interpret it as I see fit.
We must follow it exactly as the Holy Spirit leads.
I Cannot sit here and teach you what I think it means.
If I don't know I better find out and not teach it until I do know.
Same with you.
You're all teachers more or less.
Here we find that it was by the very body of Jesus.
That we were set free.
It was by his body that we were set free now.
Why?
John why?
Why was it his body that set us free?
All right, David.
Is that you that come in?
We're in.
We're in seven.
What five?
Seven.
Chapter five chapter five verse seven.
Something like that.
I don't know now.
By his body we were set free.
I want to know why.
By his body.
What all right?
Go back to four.
Russell all of you be thinking.
We can look at it a little bit differently today.
David you have any thoughts on this?
Because it was by the body that we sinned.
Dennis could you have sinned if you had not had a body?
You wouldn't be here.
You wouldn't have had the opportunity to sin.
Now Adam took that away from you.
We understand that we're born in sin, but it has been imputed to this human
race.
The human race didn't think of sin all by itself.
It was imputed to us and we're stuck with it
John did the law Die or did you die
the law still alive, isn't it?
Russell.
What would have happened if the law? died to
you.
Instead of you dying to the law.
right, Greg.
What would have happened if the law had died to you instead of you dying to the law?
Well, I didn't hear him all.
If the law had died to you you wouldn't have any more troubles,
but you have trouble.
So the law is alive.
But you've been Removed out of its grip.
You've been placed in the category Where your head has paid for the law
verse 5 for when we were in the flesh the motions of sin
That means emotions of sins.
Which were by the law did work in our members.
To bring forth fruit unto death now.
What do you see in that verse Dennis?
All right, that's pretty good.
Joy, what do you see?
Oh, you're taking the easy way out.
Russell,
all right.
Greg,
First of all, do you see that it's showing you you bear fruit?
Are under Satan
or you bear fruit unto The Lord one or the other.
You see that.
Never both.
It cannot be both.
It's got to be one or the other.
Now Could it be the same fruit as a Christian
could an unsaved?
Produced the same fruit as a Christian.
David
well.
Going out the the person is producing this fruit.
Another one's producing this fruit another one this fruit.
I'm not saying it, right?
As strange as it seems it could be the same fruit.
That the unsaved produces.
Only it it is not fruit unto life because he's dead.
He's producing fruit.
But to him it's dead fruit.
Now, it's got to be that way or all things wouldn't work together for good.
Everything is that the non -christian produces.
And he's producing just like you are he doesn't get credit for it.
He gets the opposite credit.
What is a double gets a debit and.
Well, that's true, but I wouldn't know what you were really talking about unless we explained it.
An apple produced by a non -christian is the same as an apple produced by a
Christian.
But not to the individual.
Russell, all right.
The difference lies in the individual.
Not in the fruit.
The person that produced it what was what was his ground for producing it
but a same chicken fruit.
That's the point.
I'm trying to to get across.
That's right, so do you begin to see
What the non -christian produces and what the Christian produces?
Yes is a hand.
He couldn't do it for the right reason.
It's him him.
That that's right that.
He doesn't understand.
He doesn't have the key that unlocks it the real reason to do it.
He does it for personal gain.
But
that's exactly right he doesn't does a
Non -christian know that he is a non -christian.
No, he can't understand Bob.
You didn't Know you to sin now.
You might have understood the consequences due to the law or something before you become a Christian.
But once you become a Christian.
Then you understand what you were doing.
So the person that's producing fruit.
He's producing fruit, but he doesn't know why and he doesn't know that it's there he doesn't
understand the fruit and The things that he's involved in is for personal
gain.
Yeah.
Before you were a Christian it was wrong based on the moral society in which
you lived.
And you know, you shouldn't all
right.
Do we see the difference?
Does everybody understand?
That the fruit is history it's produced regardless whether you're saved or whether you're lost.
But if you are a Christian, then you're producing the fruit
that the Holy Spirit guides you and If you're
a non -christian, you're producing fruit that the sovereignty of God
Directs you but you don't know why.
And I don't say that.
To say that a Christian always knows the fruit.
He he produces he doesn't.
You all have produced lots of fruit in your lifetime that you are not aware of.
Yes,
that's right.
See, we're not aware of the fruit that we produce at least.
I hope we're not.
I'm not.
I don't Follow this belief that I've got to write down every one of my prayers and
then when they're answered go back and check them all.
There's people that do that.
He will he will not only say no you're not.
He'll say I never knew you.
That's an awful awful statement.
They'll go through hell with that ringing in their ears, I never knew you.
The only difference.
One is a Christian and one is not so.
It follows.
That you cannot tell a Christian By looking at his fruit.
You cannot determine this man is a man is a Christian by what he does what he
produces.
Or this one is not a Christian but what he does or what he produces now.
I like to think that I can a little bit.
But I really can't.
Absolutely
in the flesh.
We're living a merely earthly life.
So we cannot tell a Christian.
For when we were in the flesh when we were an imperfect verb.
Past tense when we were in the flesh.
You're not living that way.
Now.
You're living by the spirit capital S and You're living by the
spirit by not being in the flesh.
It's got to be one way or the other.
Dead fruit.
I think we've covered that it's not alive to those that produce it.
It is still fruit, but not for Jesus Christ as far as that person is concerned.
Sixth verse.
But now We are Delivered.
What a wonderful phrase.
We're delivered from what?
From the law.
Now that means I've been set free.
I don't need to follow the law any longer.
I Don't obey stop signs.
I don't I Can do anything I want to do.
I don't obey the law.
Is that the law he's talking about.
No the law goes back to what Bob mentioned earlier the
The society in which we live as laws.
But now we are delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held.
That we should serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
But now at this very moment.
At this very moment we are delivered.
Apple Passive.
You didn't deliver yourself.
I didn't deliver Dennis.
Dennis didn't deliver David.
Jesus Christ delivered us when we were placed
into him on the cross and Spiritually we
died with him
this thing of being delivered to be severed from
separated from discharged from loosed.
From any one or thing.
Of a separation of one thing from another.
Which the union or fellowship of two is destroyed?
From the law that being the eternally dead.
To be subject to eternal misery and hell wherein we were held.
Now before salvation you were held by the law.
That we should serve active a good sense to yield obedience to.
Seventh verse.
What shall we say then?
Is the law sin God forbid nay I had
not known sin but by the law.
I Had not known sin, but by the law.
For I had Not known lust except the law had said thou shalt
not covet.
This gets back to the question does a lost person know they're lost.
No, they don't.
Only in looking back after I have received it.
Can I see that I was lost?
What shall we say then is the law sin.
I Had not known sin but by
the law.
Now David from the viewpoint of the Heavenly Father.
Are you under the law
so do you know sin?
Looking from his side Does he see sin in you.
No not at all because I Had not
known sin except by the law and I have not.
I'm not Observing the law now.
I am and we'll see why or now in a moment.
For I had not known lust you wouldn't have known that it was the law unless it said not to do something.
My carnal mind Does not recognize sin.
Your carnal mind does not recognize sin.
There has never been and Shall never be a lost person That
knows he is lost.
It's only after notification by the Holy Spirit that we know sin.
The world is full of People that today right now they're trying to persuade
somebody to become a Christian.
Can you do that Dennis?
To talk to a sinner about sin is like Talking to a tree stump about the atomic
energy.
They may know about sin.
But they do not know and understand sin until they become
saved.
Romans 7 8.
But sin taken occasion by the Commandment wrought in me all manner of
concupiscence.
For without the law Sin was dead.
This word occasion we get our word fulcrum.
And to be sure that everybody understands fulcrum.
I Brought one this morning.
You thought it was a ruler didn't you a fulcrum?
Is this point over which this pivots
now I Can raise
a mighty load?
Using a fulcrum if I get way down here.
I remember the boxcars at home.
I would Put this under the wheel had a great long handle.
I Still see myself when I was too little to pull it.
But Then I began to grow and I could hang way out here on the end and jump up and down on
it.
And I could move that boxcar a heavy boxcar
fulcrum.
Fulcrum is this pivot over which the arm breaks.
It isn't a spool of wire but
taking occasion.
Taking fulcrum
our support on which the lever pivots by commandment wrought in me
all manner of concupiscence cravings longings desire for that which is forbidden
lust.
For without the law sin is dead for where there is
No consciousness of sin of the law of sin.
It shows no life for sin in the absence
of the law.
Has no chance to function technically as sin now, do you
understand?
What I just said, all right for
sin in the absence of the law We take
away the law is just sin by itself.
Has no chance to function technically as sin.
Because you did not know it was sin unless there is a law there Prohibiting
whatever it is.
You have done
by the way.
Sin is the only thing that never had an infancy.
Think about it.
We got it full -blown.
For I was alive without the law once Paul speaking, but when the
commandment came sin revived and I died.
There was a time when I was alive before When I knew no law.
Then I thought that I indeed lived No law against the way I'm living
and I'm alive.
There was a time when I too did not have the law and I
was So to speak alive.
But when the law was brought home to me It awoke and then I
died.
Sin arose to life and I died.
Sin sprang into life while I died.
The sense of sin found new life and with that I died.
So Paul is saying that I realized I had broken the law
and was a sinner doomed to die.
When he found out that he was breaking the law He died.
Any questions.
We're going to stop right there.
Now does anyone have questions.
I was 10.
It used to be a sin in this country to play pool in the church.
People thought but now the church has a pool table.
So pool has nothing to do with it.
Lots of things are not saying today that were when I was a child.