Aliens Among Us? A Christian Extraterrestrial Expert Weighs In

The Guest Introduction and Why the Alien Question Matters

We are live now on the conversations that matter podcast. Welcome everyone who's streaming. Sorry. We're a few minutes late. That's Probably fashionable though because I know many of you came on and you're waiting with bated breath.

For what you're about to listen to and I'm actually very Curious about this myself. We have a guest today Gary Bates who is the president of creation ministries? International he's been speaking on the topics of creation evolution and extra terrestrial life since 1990 and he made a great documentary On this topic a few years ago.

I actually saw it in theaters. It's called alien intrusion and you can go to Alien intrusion comm still and see that if you're interested in it's a really well made Just wonderful documentary. He also has a book that accompanies of that movie if you're more of a reader I think the book was written first and I've read that as well and I just thought with the new cycle We need to get Gary on to talk about this because he knows a lot more than me.

So if you're curious after this interview and you want to know more Then check out alien intrusion comm and you can find out more but without further ado. Welcome Gary. Thank you for joining. How are you?

Good to talk it very good. I Debated to myself how to approach this. There's a number of ways to approach this topic. And I thought the first thing to mention probably is to acknowledge. And because I've already gotten pushed back a little bit that there are people out there who say this topic doesn't matter at all.

It's just a big distraction from other political things, which maybe that is the case. You seem to think though that it's important and Why is that? Why do you think this is an important topic enough to write a book about?

Origins, Evolution, and the Worldview Behind UFO Belief

Well, let me let me give you a bit of a personal history because I did not grow up in a Christian home I didn't get saved until my adult years and one of the great stumbling blocks for me in the belief in the God of the Bible Was in fact the authority of scripture the idea that God was a creator as it says in the beginning He created the heavens and the earth.

I was a With my scientific bent. I was an ardent evolutionist and so When I did get saved for other reasons I immediately tried to fit millions of years evolution Big Bang into the Bible and Of course when I look at the size of the universe based upon my Big Bang belief.

Well if life evolved on earth It must have evolved countless times over in a billions of years old universe. Therefore there could have been extraterrestrial life. So as I started to work for the ministry full-time and we can talk about this later I think the Bible is pretty clear That there is no extraterrestrial life in terms of sentient beings like ourselves, you know capable of building interstellar spacecraft to visit other planets.

But when we watch most science fiction today, and I'm a science fiction fan. That's why I ended up having an initial interest in the subject most of that science fiction whether you watch Star Wars or Star Trek for example, you know.

They're visiting other worlds and people are at their different stages of evolution and therefore they've developed different levels of technology Etc. So the idea there is that in this evolutionary Big Bang old universe aliens are Evolving all over the place at different stages and that's what underpins science fiction.

That's why you know, you look at Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars. Why does he look different to humans? Well evolution took a different turn a left turn or a right turn in their planets history and. So I realized that this pop culture icon because science fiction is the most popular entertainment genre today bar none.

You know at any time six seven or eight of the highest-grossing movies of all time a sci-fi. The pop culture plus a scientific belief in evolution occurring all over the universe is problematic for the Bible and therefore our ministry creation ministries international we seek to give answers to Christians in the area of origins, so I started researching and investigating it and I've read countless UFO books written by people.

And we throw it in there and it's certainly not a boast. I mean, I've spoken hundreds and hundreds of times on the subject. I've met literally hundreds of people who claim they've seen things in the sky.

Christians included people listening here will have seen something they've never had closure on and then on top of that I've met Literally dozens and dozens of people who claim that they've been abducted by aliens and you know they've been up on board the spaceship and they've met Jesus and Buddha and Muhammad and they're all living together in peace and harmony and You know, you fuddy-duddy Christians have just got to get rid of your old-fashioned ways and embrace the new age and so on.

So that's kind of a bit of a snapshot of why I got involved but at the bottom of it it gets back to origins. Where did we come from? Beliefs about where we come from it, you know, that's the foundational question to what we call.

The three big questions, you know. Where do we come from? Why am I here? What's our meaning and purpose to life? And of course what happens to us when we die. If the Big Bang and evolution is true. Then we're just a giant cosmic accident along with all the other aliens.

There's no meaning and purpose to life. There's no life after death, but if the Bible is true Then we were created with meaning and purpose and of course The decisions we make in this life will affect where we spend eternity.

So the foundational question that helps you answer questions two and three in both worldview scenarios is question one. Where did we come from? And that's what this alien? Issue gets to because people have been visited by aliens.

I've been told that aliens are our creators and all sorts of stuff.

UFO Videos, Government Disclosures, and the Interdimensional Hypothesis

Well, so so you don't believe that these are aliens in the Traditional or common parlance that these are. This is something else if anything's going on here. And I want to get into that and get into what you think the Bible teaches on this.

But as a way to do that, I thought it would be helpful just to show I mean the this is I think from three years ago. The Pentagon had declassified Some videos of what they thought were UFOs. So many people watching are probably familiar with seeing this particular clip from the US Navy.

I hope you can see that Gary. Yeah, and then, you know recently I'm just gonna play a very short clip here. This is within the last 24 hours, I believe we've had a number of interviews on major media websites like Fox News talking about this testimony, I think mostly in the wake of.

There was a David Grush if I'm pronouncing that right a United States Air Force veteran. He went to Capitol Hill. I'm sure you follow that. Here's some of the things though that are being said right now currently.

That's where in the news cycle as we're doing this interview.

Object was moving very fast faster than 95 of the stars near the Sun and It also had material strength tougher than all the rocks we had seen over the past decade in the NASA catalog. So there is a chance I wouldn't quantify it I would just say it's quite possible that it's different than a rock the past couple years.

We've seen more and more of the military showing these very interesting objects flying in the sky. Avi should this scare people? No, not at all. I think.

We should Welcome it because it will be information that we can learn from. And it will inspire us to explore space. It may make us better instead of fighting with each other. Perhaps will it will be a wake-up call for us to realize that there are more important things in life than fighting with other people you know like the third dimension of space will inspire us to put our resources into.

Science technology and go out there. A man witnessed an alleged spacecraft retrieved in the 1980s and stored at area 51. That's according to investigative journalist Ross Coulthard who during a recent interview discussed an alleged anonymous source.

Who has contacted the all-domain? Anomaly resolution office. An office that investigates unidentified flying objects about the alleged craft.

According to the source his great uncle worked at area 51 and saw a Photograph of the object and according to Coulthard said it was quote absolute proof of non-human craft. Okay.

Why the Evidence Does Not Prove Physical Aliens

Now Gary you being a Christian and saying that you don't believe these these aliens Are out there that they're visiting us with these modern spacecraft. What do you make of that? What you just saw?

Well, when I listen to those interviews, I thought oh my goodness. There are so many answers I could give. Let me first start off start off by saying. You know the secular media might turn around and say oh, well, he's a Christian.

He's going to be in denial. He's going to be a debunker he's going to poopoo at all. No, as I said, I've met hundreds of people who've seen things and it surprises them when I say I believe you. Yes, you know and that's one of the things I would warn Christians about is don't turn around and say Let me tell you what it is or it's all spiritual etc.

Now. We'll talk about that some more. You need to have empathy. And help people talk through and understand what they're seeing. You've seen the movie and I think you would find an agree John that the movie had a very very empathetic approach to people who've endured these Experiences etc.

Now he turned around the first guy there turned around and said it was harder. It was harder harder than rock or any substance. You've got to pick out the bits and pieces. Actually, he can't know that.

From seeing something move through the sky. Okay, now they do appear on radar, which means they're reflecting radar signals, okay. And they've been seen to say change shape as they fly. This is nothing new in alien intrusion.

Unmasking a deception the movie you might remember that we featured some clips from a Washington Press conference in 2010 where 80 Air Force officers Got up and gave their testimony about these things moving faster than any man-made object we have.

Doing right angle turns without slowing down. Sometimes they merge into one another become one object and then go off in another direction. And of course at the end What is the conclusion? They they make well, I believe and we're gonna we're going to talk about it that there is something spiritual going on.

But the official authorities Do not recognize the spiritual realm. So when they see something that seems to defy the laws of physics or seems to travel Faster than any crap man-made craft we can make now.

They must attribute it to some unknown advanced Technology and it gets back to what I was talking at before. Therefore if it's advanced it must be from beings who are more advanced than us. Therefore they must be more evolved from us, etc.

Now I want to make a point here when I there are two views and I cover this in the book in the movie of How aliens might visit us one's called the extraterrestrial Hypothesis the ETH and this is kind of what we see in science fiction that people can fly Faster than light in their real physical craft real physical beings can visit us and visit other planets.

Now with what we know from 80 years of research with these sightings and what we know about the laws of physics. Even the skeptic the non-christian would have to say Really, that's not possible. And I know that when I say that people are going well, hang on.

You can't say that, you know a hundred years ago We didn't think we could visit the moon and so on and so forth. But visiting the moon in craft that fly thousands of miles per hour is a vast difference to craft that need to fly.

Multiple factors of the speed of light the speed of light is a hundred and eighty six thousand miles Per second and I'm saying within our physical space-time universe. It's not possible to get physical craft.

To do that if you are flying at one-tenth of the speed of light. One-tenth of the speed of light and you hit a speck of dust. It's got the impact of like, you know multiple hydrogen bombs or atomic bombs.

Sorry going off on the hull of your spaceship and I know that in Star Trek and whatever they have deflectors arrays and force fields. Well, that's just adding to the energy requirements of the craft because you've got to you use equal opposing force to try to deflect it.

So We've never seen any of these sightings and look every day. There's about a hundred and fifty sightings across the world. Investigators go out they can always explain about 90 of them. Because it's lay people looking up and they see you know, the International Space Station going overhead.

They don't know what they're looking at. They see lenticular clouds that is the kind of have saucer shapes. It would surprise people to know the most common mistaken UFO is in fact the planet Venus. And accounts for over 20 of mistaking sightings and that's because it doesn't twinkle like a star.

It just sits up there in the night sky. Like a solid light. So people when they look up because of this UFO culture I go. Oh, it might be a UFO when they say that they really mean a spaceship from other planets.

But very few people believe in the ETH anymore in the years. I've been investigating this we've seen a shift and The most popular view is called the inter dimensional hypothesis. Because we now know when we see these UFOs or they call them UAPs now.

We've never seen them entering our atmosphere from outside. When they appear in our environment, they're here they appear and they disappear. And as I said, they defy the laws of physics. How can craft flying at?

Seven eight thousand miles per hour merge become one object and go off in another direction. The gravitational forces on any occupants would would smash them. So this idea of called the interdimensional hypothesis is that beings or craft might be visiting us from another realm or dimension and That is always the view that I've advocated because it fits the biblical narrative because clearly the Bible talks about a Spiritual realm call it interdimensional if you want to and what does it say?

We've had visitors and beings from that realm, which we might call angels. Angels have interacted in our environment. They've killed people. God's angel in Egypt with the ten plagues affected our environment it affected nature and That's it.

Also what we see with these UFOs sometimes There are energy surges. Sometimes there are blackouts just like you see in the movie close encounters of the third kind. They appear they disappear and people see them now a snapshot of all is that all of that is to say we don't disagree that people and Now the government's are finally admitting that they see things.

That's a huge quantum change by the way, John because in all the years I've been investigating this. There's always been plausible deniability we go back to the 1950s where thousands of people saw UFOs buzz the Capitol Dome of the White House and You know a general had to come forward and say yes, we saw it.

But it we don't know what it is, but we can say it's not extraterrestrial and it doesn't pose any any threat you know, etc, so Other governments have been more candid the Mexican Air Force have always been candid for years about what they've been seeing.

So we're at a kind of a period. I Want to say that I've kind of predicted would happen That the overwhelming evidence would be that we're seeing these things. We're seeing these things, but how would the government explain them and They're really their only option just like in that Washington press conference the conclusion was we're dealing with a technology far advanced.

Well, what else can it be? It's it's alien technology visiting us from another realm or dimension. We don't understand it. So therefore it's got to be some advanced technology. Whereas I would say no we are dealing with something interdimensional and guess what?

The good old Bible has always spoken about this and The only way we can unpick it is when we look at the nature of What people are seeing but also in this area called abductions because here's the problem you showed that Navy fighter tracking it tracking an alleged class craft.

What are they going to do? You can't kind of put your tractor beam or your lasso on it and bring it in and do empirical tests on it Etc. Now, of course in recent interviews people are saying that there's been craft recovered and non-human biological material.

Now, of course the question this I'd say I get you again you've got to pick the nuts and bolts out of it. You know, he was asked have have alien bodies being recovered and he didn't say no. And he said we have recovered non-human biological material.

Now I've already received emails from people saying they recovered alien bodies from the craft. No, that's not what they said. They said we've covered non-human biological material. Now, what does that mean?

Well, I could find a rabbit carcass and say to you John that is non-human biological material. Anything that is organic and exist in this world is non-human biological material so Sometimes people give testimonies that are less than candid.

Don't answer it straight and I can't answer that question because nobody's done any DNA analysis on it. I Mean if it's non-human biological material, why didn't he turn around and say? Oh, we've done a DNA analysis on it.

And this is what it is, which clearly means they haven't so people have to be careful of Misleading statements that are presented and designed to lead us in a certain direction. They're not playing as we'd say in Australia with a straight bat.

That's a cricketing parlance. But anyway, so.

Roswell, Majestic 12, and Why Worldviews Shape Interpretation

There's so many questions. Maybe to continue on with what you're already saying. People I think wonder what about the supposed physical evidence because there's two categories. It seems like that you bring out or at least two in your book and you just mentioned it again.

There's the people who have experiences where they go into these ships supposedly or they witness aliens coming to them and then there's the More the government end of it of the technology that were supposedly reverse engineering and we have all these crash Spacecraft and it's just it's like it's happening all the time.

But we can't ever quite get there's all this testimony, but we can't quite ever get. You know a primary source that you can sink your teeth in so what about all this testimony of? Actual physical craft with technology.

I mean, do you just say that other they're just lying or that's just not true.

Well, I'm Not aware of one single case where physical wreckage has been recovered. Roswell which I've written about and people go to creation .com and type in. What really happened at Roswell? There was wreckage recovered but it was top secret and Here's how kind of corny it gets.

We're talking about 1947 and What happened is the Soviets were starting to? Test nuclear weapons and so we didn't have satellites in the atmosphere. So due to the curvature of the earth. How do we listen, you know over here to something that's happening over there?

Well, we put balloons with acoustic Listening devices in the atmosphere to be carried by the jet stream. So to avoid the line of sight we could you know. Listen to them. You know or listen to what was happening in countries elsewhere.

But when those balloons crashed. Obviously the US government didn't want anyone to know what they were doing. And so that famous Roswell Daily Record newspaper front page newspaper, you know UFO wreckage recovered at Roswell.

Three days later it came out and said no. No, it wasn't it wasn't but the government never at that stage admitted what they're doing now under the Freedom of Information Act. All that information is available and we know exactly what happened.

But here's here's the thing and people need to understand that our worldviews drive interpretation. There was a very famous Air Force Officer that was working at the base. He went out and he saw the record wreckage and to his deathbed.

He said I saw wreckage from an alien craft and I saw alien bodies. Now we know they were they were Balloons carrying this very very primitive acoustic listening devices. But the material was covered in a silvery the balloon was covered in a kind of a silvery metallic object which was unlike anything we'd had to that day a Primitive idea of trying to reflect radar and this type of stuff.

And of course it didn't do that. So we actually know what happened at Roswell yet. There are people alive today who will claim they saw the wreckage it was from an alien craft and they saw alien bodies there.

They do it for a number of reasons. We tend to put them into categories like they're mad or they're bad as in they're trying to get their five minutes of fame. But I've learned over the years Particularly in Christian ministry that people are much more complex than that and sometimes You can believe your own cause is holy and I've seen that in the UFO movement people Believe that the end justifies the means they can stretch the truth because at the end of the day It'll force people to and the government's to tell truth about UFOs.

Another example related to Roswell was the famous majestic 12 document and this as a non-christian certainly had me believing because they said here was a document signed by President Harry Truman Authorizing the creation of this mj -12 group, which was to you know Secretly, this is where the men in black idea comes from to secretly investigate UFOs.

And to me that was like well, there's the president's signature. It's so it's true. Obviously the government knows about it covering it up and then later it was revealed that that document Was smuggled by two guys Into Into government archives.

These were publicly available archives claim that they'd found it. And the whole book, you know the Roswell incident which became a huge bestseller and in my non-christian days convinced me that UFOs and aliens really did exist all ended up turning out to be a hoax.

Now. Why did those guys do it? Well, maybe they thought they'd get a best-selling book out of it. But I suggest that they really believe that the government was hiding the truth and something like this would force their hand.

But as I say for years the government has been in denial. I know the government's been seeing things I know they've been recording it and so do a lot of UFO investigators and now finally they're turning around and saying and Releasing this footage.

I mean to me This is a quantum shift. It's an absolute momentous event and Look ministry, we don't get into end times or eschatology. We tend to deal with the beginning of the book. But goodness me, I mean what are people to think?

As I say, I think they will explain it as UFO or extraterrestrial advanced alien technology and This is going to cause a great paradigm shift in society, you know in my book alien intrusion now, you might not remember.

But there's a quote there from the 1980s where NASA had investigated and They concluded that back in the 1980s that the the idea that aliens were visiting us would destabilize society because our views were much more traditional and conventional and Of course, I've got that famous Section in the movie where Ronald Reagan addressed the United Nations in the United 1980s and he said You know all of our and I'm paraphrasing all of our internal differences and between our countries and the politics would disappear if we were facing a threat an alien threat from outside because suddenly we'd realize how small we are and That there's bigger meaning and purpose out there in the universe and there are massive implications for the idea.

If the government does announce that aliens have been visiting us.

The Appeal of Alien Contact, Spiritual Claims, and the Abduction Experience

Yeah, it's fascinating because that's what the Harvard professor Avi, I think it's Loewy, but I don't know if I'm pronouncing it, right? But in the initial clip that I showed you he's investigating Supposedly that craft or asteroid or whatever.

It was meteor that went into the ocean and that's what he said. He said well, maybe maybe this is a good thing. This is a very positive thing. We shouldn't be afraid which is I know you talked about that in your book that there's been a shift from science fiction that the aliens are coming to kill us to Science fiction that says now the aliens are actually coming to save us because we're killing each other.

Which is it's fascinating to see that show up now in. You know the coming out of the mouth of an actual scientist. It's not isn't sci-fi. And I will notice I don't know if you saw this scary but in that clip Avi had a some some Jewish Religious symbolism behind him.

So I'm assuming he's religious in some ways. I know Tucker Carlson says he's a Christian and yet you see these guys Who you know would believe either parts of or the whole of the Bible saying that yeah, we're open to that.

Yeah, we think that there's aliens out there. Which I just find fascinating. I want to get your reaction to that. I know you have a lot to say on that but we have a caller who Elijah Thompson who just came in Elijah.

Can you hear me? I know I saw you come on earlier and I figured you may have a question.

Well, hi guys. Can you hear me? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, perfect. I can. I can barely hear you on my phone. I'm not sure exactly what's going on. So I kind of want to ask a two-part question if that's okay.

So the first question that I want to ask is about ancient religions. So I've been listening to haunted cosmos as probably some of the guys who are listening to this have I imagine and It's really changed my thinking on ancient religions and How they were founded.

You know, I kind of took the more materialistic approach maybe in the past where I thought Most ancient religions were founded on con men who had a good idea The truth just as it had passed down as it had been passed down since.

You know, no, I guess or Pre-flood I guess Adam and Eve but now I kind of see these things more as demons or Nephilim being real presenting themselves And being worshipped as gods, so I'm kind of wondering your thoughts on that.

Do you do you see that in most ancient religions. And then I have a quick follow-up question.

Sure, I recommend you get a copy and it's not just to plug the book alien intrusion UFOs and the evolution connection you can get it on Amazon or creation .com as a physical book or a digital download.

First thing there are very very common threads in ancient religion a lot of ancient religions talk about Seeing things we have historical records. So One of the aspects about what we commonly call UFOs today have been seen throughout history.

Just kind of getting earlier back to what John says and then leading into your question. In the movie Alexander the Great has records of flying shields apparently buzzing his Armies. Now the UFOs have changed shape.

So in the late 1800s they started to appear like balloons or blimps and we didn't quite have that technology yet. But it was right on the horizon. It was being developed in Europe. Believe it or not at that time.

So what we've seen Over the years. Obviously, it's masquerading but it seems to fit the technological understanding of The day, you know if somebody if there was a farmer in his fields in the 1800s and he saw some lights.

Look, you know buzzing up in the sky as if they're guided intelligently. How might he interpret those? Well, he's got no science fiction and you know spaceships on other planet type beliefs. He's not been Enculturated that way for want of a better term so he might say well, it's an angel or it's a demon or you know.

Maybe I need to get my glasses checked or something like that. So again remembering how people interpret things within the culture of the day and that's also what we've seen in some of these Ancient texts the American Indians have stories of flying canoes with people on board.

Now getting back to your idea about Nephilim. And post-flood type things again, that's fully covered in the book. I actually have a whole 13 pages on who were the sons of God in Genesis 6. We get back to the word term.

The sons of God is been a Elohim. Adam was a son of God been a Elohim, etc. Elsewhere in the Old Testament whenever angels appear we see the same term been a Elohim so in the Old Testament it cleanly clearly refers to angels, so you have the Son or the descendants of Adam then I Adam.

Mixing with the daughters of men. Okay. So clearly angels are coming down and intermarrying with human beings again that means they take that physical form and here's the problem when most Christians think spiritual they always kind of think about these ethereal ghostly like Beings glowing white with angel wings, etc.

But whenever angels appear in the Bible they appear physically. They sat down with Abraham and they ate food. So they're wearing clothes. They had stomach organs and digestive tracts and they appeared as men.

So they had gender so clearly. On the reason I kind of mentioned that that's the biblical explanation but guess what the ancient Romans and the Greeks also have stories of god-like creatures coming down and intermarry with with people.

Famous TV show Hercules who was he he was a half man half human. Descended from the gods when they took for themselves human Women the Bible tells us that those that sinned in Noah's time those angels are locked up in Tartarus.

In the New Testament the word for hell is always Hades except for that one passage. Where it talks about those angels being kept in chain Tartarus will guess what. Tartarus in Greek Mythology is the same place that Zeus kept those gods who intermarried with women and disobeyed.

He kept them locked up in Tartarus. As well, so there are overlaps. Obviously you're going to see in the other religions corrupted versions of Biblical truths there are over 200 Flood legends in different tribal groups around the world that seem to to mirror or gain although corrupted the Bible's version of the great flood of Noah.

Etc. Sometimes a giant tree floats people and animals are survived. The top of a mountain breaks off and people and animals survive even back in Australia. Australian Aboriginals have similar similar flood legends.

I hope that's covered. It's probably a bit more comprehensive than what you're asking. But we've seen UFO sightings or mysterious objects recorded throughout history the sons of God and the Offspring the Nephilim in various forms are paralleled in various mythological events as well.

Yeah, that was great. Elijah. Yet another question.

Demonic Deception, the Name of Jesus, and the Reality of Abduction Experiences

Yeah, I had one more follow-up question so my follow-up question to that is Do you? Since it's clear that Demons and angels have both presented themselves Very clearly to humankind Do you see what's happening as a potential setup for Demons revealing themselves In a form of extraterrestrials to the wider audience, you know more than just a single person or do you kind of see that as I Don't know.

I guess where do you see kind of their level of power and influence? Potentially having.

Yeah, I think we've got to be careful as Christians to Look at any events in the current world and saying this is a harbinger of the of the end times. You read the early apostles writings in the New Testament.

They kind of thought Jesus was coming tomorrow and I'm sure our ancestors in the first and second world war. You know probably thought Hitler was the Antichrist and something coming, but let me say this.

Without me, you know sticking my flag in the sand and saying this is it I I don't know we could be here for another thousand years before anything happens the idea that it would be aliens was kind of poo-pooed a while ago because of The view that physical aliens simply couldn't get here but because of the interdimensional hypothesis.

And the idea which scientists are jumping on board the idea of multiverse or string theory. That there could be multiple dimensions etc to our universe. The interdimensional idea of aliens has kind of had some gravitas in recent years so.

Yes, it's possible. I don't see a time in history and depending upon your eschatological view whether you believe in a Rapture or not and where the Christians are going to disappear. As a ministry, we don't take a view but here's what's interesting again.

You can read it an alien intrusion the writings of the UFOs contactees themselves. Write about this they say for example Barbara Marciniak in a book called bringers of the dawn says that the The kind of the ones that are holding back Mother Earth from evolving into her next stage of ascendancy.

They're going to be removed from the earth. They're going to be taken to another planet, but don't worry about them. They'll be okay and These who are holding the earth back. The earth can now You know evolve etc.

And those on the earth are going to you know be brought into a new dawn. Hence the book of the title the book title, etc so There's a lot of UFO literature that kind of has in time prophetic events that seem to marry The Bible as well.

And of course they claim that these messages have been channeled to them from alien beings. That they're in direct contact with. So again, you don't have to take it from me, but the UFO people themselves.

They're the ones that would probably say that we are certainly moving into a new period and a new age. And I think that it's a time for Christians To be absolutely sure of what they believe. I was at a conference in Roswell some years ago.

I was on a question panel and Someone challenged me and said well. What if an alien spaceship landed on the president's lawn and got out and shook his you know? Aliens got out and shook his hand kind of thing and I said, well, I think it would be a deception.

But somebody then said well, what if we could really really prove that it was aliens from a planet far far away. Etc. And I said quite strongly. I'd have to throw my Bible away. That's how that's how much I believe on it.

Because I don't believe scripture.

Allows for these things. Well, why is that. Maybe rock us through. Why the Bible prohibits the view that there could be intelligent life-forms and other planets?

Yeah. Yeah, well Again a prima facie view taking the Bible at face value and by the way on the creation evolution Issue which is what our ministry deals in I should point out I think we probably employ more scientists than any Christian ministry in the world there is lots of lots of scientific and physical evidence to support a young age of the earth and Obviously that evolution is not happening and people can type in creation .com.

What about dinosaurs? What about eight men and we've got over 16 ,000 articles there? But when we take the Bible at face value. The first man and woman sinned and they caused the world to fall. Okay, and as a result Death entered the world.