August 25, 2023 Show with Jim Mogel on “Food Freedom & Agriculture from a Biblical Perspective”

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August 28, 2023

August 25, 2023 JIM MOGEL, board member @ Mid Atlantic Reformation Society, who will address: “FOOD FREEDOM & AGRICULTURE from a BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE” & announcing the 3-day event in Lancaster, PA featuring Dr. JAMES R. WHITE of AOMin.org!

00:03: Live from historic downtown Carlisle, Pennsylvania, home of founding father James Wilson, 19th century hymn writer
00:11: George Duffield, 19th century gospel minister George Norcross, and sports legend
00:16: Jim Thorpe, it's Iron Sharpens Iron. This is a radio platform in which pastors,
00:23: Christian scholars, and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.
00:31: Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
00:38: Matthew Henry said that in this passage, we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.
00:50: It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own questions.
00:57: And now, here's your host, Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon,
01:09: Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet
01:14: Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com.
01:20: This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 25th day of August, 2023.
01:28: I have another update for you for my brother
01:33: Andy. As those of you who listen to the show every day may recall, the last several days on the program,
01:41: I have been announcing a prayer request for my brother Andy, who is 75 and living in a local nursing home here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, after a massive stroke a number of years ago left him completely paralyzed on his left side.
01:56: And recently, he had developed pneumonia, and he also more seriously developed a life -threatening blood infection known as sepsis.
02:09: Andy has been on intravenous antibiotics. They appear to be holding the sepsis at bay.
02:17: I am still waiting for an update from his doctor, who has not yet called me back, which is quite infuriating.
02:26: I have called several times asking for a conversation with him, and I never receive a call back, which
02:33: I would appreciate you praying for that as well. But when
02:38: I visit him, his appetite seems to be very good, sometimes even voracious.
02:46: And I've been bringing him food that he likes to eat because he hates the food at the nursing home. I want to make sure he eats and gets the appropriate nutrients that are going to help him get healthier.
02:59: And so I just ask of you to continue to pray that the
03:04: Lord guides the physicians in everything they do, the nurses, etc.,
03:10: and even more importantly, that our
03:16: Lord makes my brother's salvation testimony crystal clear. I have not reached a point where I have a settled peace over the authenticity of my brother's profession of faith in Christ, and we appreciate you praying for that more than anything.
03:35: And of course, in addition to guiding the doctors, I would pray that if the
03:42: Lord chooses not to use physicians but a divine miracle, that that would happen as well.
03:48: I just want to make sure, God willing, that my brother sticks around a number of more years so I can not only enjoy seeing him and spending time with him, but also that I can continue to evangelize him and pray for him so that I am completely confident before he departs this earth that he has placed truly his entire trust for salvation in the finished work of Christ.
04:15: So please join me in that prayer. We have a first -time guest today.
04:21: His name is Jim Mogul, and he's a board member of the Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society. Those of you who listen regularly to Iron Trip and Zion Radio will recognize the name of that ministry because we've been advertising it pretty heavily lately.
04:38: The Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society is hosting a three -day special event, a conference, in Mannheim, Pennsylvania, which is in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
04:51: And this is featuring the keynote speaker, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, a very dear friend of mine dating back to 1995.
04:59: And not only is this a conference, but on Saturday, September 16th, from 3 .30
05:09: p .m. to 6 .30 p .m., the conference includes a debate that Dr.
05:14: White is having with Dr. Gregory Coles on the theme, Is Gay Christian a
05:21: Biblically Acceptable Identity for a Member of Christ's Church? The entire conference is
05:27: Friday, the 15th of September, through Sunday, the 17th of September. And if you would like to register for this event, go to futureofchristendom .org,
05:38: futureofchristendom .org. I hope as many of you as possible will attend, and I'll be able to meet and greet all of you who listen to this program, who are able to make it to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania for this exciting three -day event,
05:55: September 15th through the 17th. But today, I'm going to be addressing a subject that I don't believe
06:02: I've ever addressed before on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, especially for a full program. Our guest today,
06:08: Jim Mogul, is going to discuss food freedom and agriculture from a
06:14: Biblical perspective. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for the very first time,
06:20: Jim Mogul. Thank you, Chris. Good afternoon, and thanks for that good plug for our conference coming up.
06:28: We're pretty happy with the way that's shaping up. Glad to have Dr. White coming, and for some of our regulars, we do this conference annually, and we have some of our favorites are coming back,
06:42: Matt Truello and Paul Michael Raymond. And just a great lineup of speakers.
06:47: There's going to be 12 rapid -fire presentations on Saturday, followed by the debate.
06:54: So, it's going to be a good time. I encourage anyone who can make it to come on out.
07:00: Great, and I am very excited about it as well, and I'm honored to be serving as the moderator of the debate.
07:07: And typically, people recognize me from emceeing
07:12: Dr. White's debates and doing a little stand -up comedy routine, but I'm not going to be emceeing this time.
07:19: I'm going to be doing something that I very rarely do, actually, and that's moderating the debate.
07:24: I have done moderation for debates, but that is not the typical thing I do. I usually prefer sitting in the audience and just watching, but this time,
07:34: I will be moderating. So, pray for me as well, as I have a very important role in this event.
07:42: Although, if the role is performed accurately and if the debaters behave themselves and perform accurately, you'll hear very little from me at all other than to say, your time's up.
08:03: But that's when you know a debate is going well, when the moderator doesn't need to do much more than announce the segments of the debate and tell people when to start speaking in each segment of the debate, and then tell them that the time is up.
08:22: And Dr. White... How does that work out, Chris? Is that pretty difficult to do? Typically not.
08:29: In most of the debates that I have orchestrated, the debaters both were behaving themselves and keeping to their time limits.
08:40: In fact, James, who has a computer for a brain, he always finishes his segments exactly on time, if not a few seconds early.
08:52: So, I've never seen him had to be reprimanded for going over time or anything like that.
09:00: The worst debate as far as keeping to the rules that I ever moderated was a debate between Frank Turek, who is an apologist, and an atheist whose name escapes me right now.
09:16: It was held at Stony Brook University on Long Island, and neither of the debaters were following the time allotments and restrictions and rules.
09:27: And it eventually became a free -for -all, and it eventually became obvious that there was no point in me even really sitting where I was, because even though I tried to rein in the atheist at one point,
09:44: Frank Turek said, no, I prefer it this way. Let's just keep doing it this way, and there was not much
09:49: I could do. So, they wanted it to be more of a heated discussion or argument than an actual rigidly timed debate.
09:59: But anyway, that's just to say, most of the time that doesn't happen. And I'm confident that that will not happen this time either.
10:09: So, again, I hope that most of you listening, or many of you listening, will be able to attend
10:15: September 15th through the 17th in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and register at futureofchristendom .org,
10:24: futureofchristendom .org. Well, tell us something, first of all, about what your role is at Mid -Atlantic
10:33: Reformation Society as a board member. Well, we have regular meetings, obviously, as a board.
10:43: A lot of our work now is setting up these conferences. We've, in the past six months, made a decision to focus more on the conference ministry.
10:54: And so, working through the details of that is a job. In the past,
11:02: I've done a lot of writing for the group. I've not done as much of that recently, but I do some writing.
11:09: And just pretty much handling the nuts and the bolts of getting these things put together.
11:18: I've been on the board since we founded the group back,
11:23: I guess, about ten years ago. By the way, I just wanted to let our listeners know that Ted in Moundsville, Alabama, reminded me who the atheist was at that debate.
11:35: Michael Schirmer was the atheist who debated Frank Turek, and I was the moderator.
11:42: Thanks, Ted, for reminding me. Tell us more specifically about the
11:51: Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society itself. Well, we started about ten years ago, and our purpose was to address things that are sadly neglected by the
12:04: Church. Things along the area of engaging the culture, trying to get a hold on some of the political things that are going on, and that sort of thing, things that the
12:18: Church shies away from. And our thought was that pastors were either afraid or it was distasteful to them to handle that sort of thing.
12:28: So our initial idea was to offer help to come alongside pastors and handle some of those things, whether it's through meetings or information or whatever they might need to better address those sorts of things.
12:47: And we learned the hard way through a lot of effort and work that, unfortunately, most pastors pretty much just don't want that.
12:58: They would rather ignore those things, and when we look around today, we see the result of it.
13:07: Yeah, go ahead, Chris. I was just going to say, if you're finished with that, we have a tradition here on Iron Trip and Zion Radio.
13:14: Whenever we have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, and that would include the kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised, if any, and what kind of providential circumstances our
13:29: Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them. And so we'd love to hear a summary of your story.
13:38: Sure, I'd be glad to do that. Actually, I grew up in a great family. I had great parents.
13:45: I was the youngest of four. I had two brothers and a sister. We grew up in a pretty rural area.
13:54: It was an old -fashioned family neighborhood. I grew up about a mile from the house my mother was born in and about two miles from the house my father was born in.
14:04: So that's the kind of area and neighborhood it was, a farming community. We had a family prayer at every meal.
14:16: We went to church every Sunday. Historically, our church was a
14:25: German Reformed church. But when I was very young, it joined the
14:32: United Church of Christ denomination, I think, in the late 50s. I believe that denomination was formed in the mid -to -late 50s.
14:39: Now, how left -wing was it back then? Well, it wasn't very left -wing at all.
14:46: I mean, by today's standards, it would look far right.
14:54: I would say we were Pennsylvania Dutch in this area. Most Pennsylvania Dutch people tended to be
15:04: Democrats. My family were Democrats, but not at all leftist as we would see it today.
15:12: Would the driving force of the Democrat background have something to do with a more pacifist approach to things?
15:24: No, I would say not. I would say not. There were no qualms.
15:35: If you're speaking about pacifism in a military sense, definitely not. There would have been no reservations whatsoever to military service or anything like that.
15:50: It was a completely different world. I mean, it would be unrecognizable today.
15:58: Yeah, and today, even those that are to the left of us, there are many war hawks amongst those on the left.
16:11: And today, those who are in the forefront of politics are no longer really liberal.
16:19: They are leftists, and there is a difference. There is a difference, yeah. The liberals have gone by the wayside.
16:26: I think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a liberal. He's a liberal
16:32: Democrat, but most of what we have today in the Democrat Party, I pretty much just consider communists.
16:40: But at any rate, that's what the environment was. Now, theologically, the church was not a
16:51: Bible church at that point. I grew up believing what most of the people,
16:59: I think, in the church believed, and that was that if my good works outweighed my bad works, we had a great
17:07: Savior Christ who would save us on that basis, which was obviously erroneous.
17:14: But I think that's pretty much the predominant view. Even still today, that's the predominant view of many people who fall under the broad category we call
17:26: Christian. So historically, it was a
17:33: German Reformed church. I knew very little of Reformed doctrine.
17:41: So in other words, when you say German Reformed church, it's going by the name that would have been connected with its ancestry, but not the way that they were currently teaching and preaching.
17:54: Pretty much so. It was a somewhat liturgical church.
18:00: So you had the Apostles' Creed. You had the gospel. The gospel was there.
18:06: It was there in the creeds. It was there in the liturgy. It was there in a very small extent in the everyday teaching of the church, but not very predominantly.
18:23: Well, when... Yeah, continue, please. Well, in the early 70s, it was about 1973, our church sponsored what was called a lay witness mission.
18:36: I believe probably some of the listeners have heard of that. It was an arrangement where people from another church would come for a...
18:48: I believe it was a Friday, a Saturday, and a Sunday with some very informal meetings and just talk about their...
19:00: These were saved people, and they would talk about their relationship with Christ, how they came to know
19:08: Christ, and what it meant to them. Just basically giving their testimony in various forms throughout the weekend.
19:19: It's interesting that that happened because it was... It actually, on an organizational level, it turned out to be harmful for the church because a good number of people got saved and eventually left the church.
19:35: The people who came to our church were from a Presbyterian church. I believe the whole concept of the lay witness mission came from somewhere in Methodism in the 1950s.
19:53: Basically, through that, I came to understand that there's more to being a
20:02: Christian than just relying on your good work to get to heaven. I could see that there was a big element of sin that characterized me as a human being, and that there was a need for Christ's work in order to save my soul.
20:26: That very weekend, I made a profession of faith in Christ along with my mother and father all the same day.
20:35: It was a rather remarkable thing. My sister was present, and it led to her coming to Christ sometime after that.
20:44: We're going to pick up your testimony when we return from our first commercial break. I hope that we hear how you eventually came to discover and understand and fall in love with and embrace the true doctrines of Reformed theology as opposed to what was called the
21:06: German Reformed denomination. If anybody would like to submit a question to Jim Mogul, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.
21:17: chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state and country of residence. Don't go away. We'll be right back with Jim Mogul after these messages.
21:25: The Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society presents The Future of Christendom 2023, The Gospel at War.
21:31: September 15th to the 16th in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, featuring Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries.
21:39: We are excited to be including a formal debate in this year's conference. Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries will be debating
21:45: Dr. Gregory Coles, author of Single Gay Christian, A Personal Journey of Faith and Sexual Identity, the debate topic.
21:53: Is gay Christian a biblically acceptable identity for a member of Christ's church? So come join us for the sixth
21:59: Future of Christendom conference. The event will take place at Spooky Nook Sports in Mannheim, Pennsylvania and will run from Friday evening through all day
22:06: Saturday with an invitation to the Sunday morning worship service of the Independence Reformed Bible Church. This will be a weekend packed with practical teaching with a theme of the
22:15: Gospel at War in many areas of our culture, including government schools, the Supreme Court, missions, feminism, and even the church pulpits.
22:23: Head to futureofchristendom .org. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries here.
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34:33: Whatever I could get my hands on. I was very interested. And it didn't take too long until I started seeing what was going on in the church.
34:44: This was at the time when liberation theology was really gaining a foothold. I saw these things happening.
34:53: Of course, being a 17 or 18 -year -old guy, I figured that all
34:58: I had to do was alert people and everybody would say, oh yeah, this is awful, let's fix this.
35:06: Obviously that didn't happen. The church was, probably more than half of the congregation were relatives of mine.
35:17: My mother's side of the family and my father's side of the family went back in that congregation for generations.
35:24: So I was butting heads with friends and relatives and that's always,
35:33: I've heard this dilemma from many, many people who have a similar experience of being saved while they're active in a church like that and it's always a dilemma, do
35:43: I stay and try to fix it or do I move on? I stayed,
35:52: I guess, for about a year or two and then moved on,
35:58: I guess, for two reasons. One, I just felt that I needed closer fellowship with like -minded
36:07: Christians and two, I could see that I was not real severely damaging, but I was damaging relationships with people who were either my family or my friends and decades later, looking back on that,
36:27: I'm glad I left for both of those reasons. Those people who
36:35: I knew back then and was sort of butting heads with, those relationships came back and I still have good relationships with those people.
36:47: So for different reasons, the good thing I left, I left and went into a dispensational church with a brethren background and stayed within dispensational premillennialism for decades.
37:10: During that time, maybe about halfway through that, through my reading,
37:17: I became thoroughly convinced of the doctrines of grace and became a
37:22: Calvinist, which wasn't too much of a problem in the various churches that I was in.
37:33: It wasn't a horrible hot button for most people. Here and there, it was a hot button for some people, but that didn't cause me a lot of trouble.
37:41: Over time, again through reading and studying, when
37:53: I was probably in my late 20s or my early 30s, I took some seminary courses, evening school seminary courses that learned some more doctrine there.
38:07: Eventually, I really began to question.
38:13: I was actually teaching dispensationalism in an adult Sunday school class in the church
38:21: I was in. It was a Baptist church. It was a little bit difficult because I had to make the excuses for some of the things that are held in dispensationalism and premillennialism that are very difficult to defend.
38:42: Eventually, I started looking into those things and really trying to set aside my biases and going to the scripture and looking, what does the scripture actually say about this?
38:56: Long story short, eventually, I rejected dispensationalism.
39:05: Now, I pretty much call myself a postmillennialist. I believe that postmillennialism best describes the work of Christ and his church throughout history and into the future.
39:20: The Great Commission and everything fit very well with the postmillennial viewpoint, much more so than the others,
39:30: I believe. So, I guess you made the change to postmillennialist so you'd have a much larger group of friends.
39:36: I'm only kidding. Well, yes and no.
39:44: Actually, I have a lot of very good postmillennial friends. Some of them follow a very similar path to me, to the path that I took.
39:57: I'm really amazed how many postmillennialists I know who were not that long ago dispensationalists.
40:07: To be honest, maybe I wouldn't call myself a hardline postmillennialist.
40:17: It seems to me that there are so many things that are not clearly spelled out in scripture.
40:24: So, as I said, I believe postmillennialism is the best model.
40:31: I do call myself a postmillennialist, but it's not something... I love to discuss it.
40:38: I don't mind arguing about it, but it's not something
40:43: I want to lose friends over. And it is interesting, and please, my premillennial and dispensational friends listening, don't take offense at this, but I'm stating something that just happens to be true.
40:59: And if you know something to the contrary, I would love for you to enlighten me about it.
41:06: But I have personally never met someone that was either an amillennialist or a postmillennialist who became a dispensationalist, or even became a premillennialist.
41:22: Maybe they're out there. I just have never met one. In fact, I don't even know if I've heard of one.
41:29: Especially when you're talking about dispensationalism, going from a non -dispensational view.
41:38: I'm talking about a person who's actually regenerate, who understands the scriptures.
41:45: I'm not talking about somebody that may have been raised an amillennialist, and then when they got saved, they became dispensationalists.
41:52: I don't mean that. I mean somebody who is a fairly knowledgeable, at least in a cursory level, about what the
42:01: Bible teaches about eschatology and so on. I've never met one who went from being amill or postmill to premill and dispensational.
42:13: And the same thing really goes hand -in -hand with, I have never met that I am aware of.
42:23: I'll give one exception, Michael Brown, who makes this claim. But I've never met anybody who was, for any reasonable length of time, an evangelical
42:40: Calvinist who became an evangelical Arminian.
42:46: I have met and know about many professedly Reformed Christians, Calvinists, who have apostatized, who became
42:55: Roman Catholic, who became Eastern Orthodox, who became members of a cult, who dropped out of Christianity altogether, but I've never met a biblically literate
43:09: Reformed Christian who became an evangelical Arminian.
43:14: I don't know if you have, I just never have. That's a good point. It's pretty hard to study yourself in the
43:20: Arminians. Right. And you will find that many who are
43:27: Arminian, either by using that actual name for themselves, which is a minority, most people who are theologically
43:34: Arminian do not call themselves that, even though that is a correct label for what they believe.
43:41: But most of these folks that I know, that would fall under the category of being an evangelical
43:46: Arminian, a great number of their heroes of the faith are Calvinists.
43:52: They might not even be aware of that. But I know many vehemently anti -Calvinist
44:00: Baptists, especially from the independent fundamentalist Baptist circles, who hate the doctrines of grace and love
44:10: Charles Spurgeon and love John Bunyan and love George Whitefield and love
44:17: Jonathan Edwards and I could go on and on and on. And these are all Reformed Christians.
44:22: So it's an interesting phenomenon. So before we go to our midway break, why don't you set up some of the background for our topic today.
44:35: And for those of you who just tuned in, our topic today is food freedom and agriculture from a biblical perspective.
44:43: First of all, what led you to even study this issue and become so concerned over it?
44:51: Well, when I grew up, my father was an avid gardener and to the point where he was one of the early readers of Rodale.
45:02: Did you say that your father was Ava Gardner? I'm only kidding. Not the owner.
45:10: Oh, avid gardener. Oh, okay. Avid gardener, yeah. And he became one of the early readers of Rodale Press.
45:20: Anybody who's into organic farming or gardening probably is familiar with Rodale Press.
45:26: I don't need to go into what that is, but it's a very, very competent group that writes and practices organic gardening and farming.
45:41: Rodale himself was a leftist, but had many good ideas and a lot of principles that mesh with some of the guys who
45:52: I'm going to talk about later who are part of this community and this movement from a
45:59: Christian perspective. So anyway, he was very much into organic gardening to the point where when
46:07: I was probably about six or seven years old or even earlier, he converted our family garage into an organic gardening store and ran that for a few years and then actually moved that into a nursery.
46:25: He was a nursery man for a while, supplied some of the local builders with plants for their projects and so forth, as well as individuals who would come in and buy things.
46:41: So through that, I was around that all the time. My father was a hard worker.
46:50: And as a kid, you look up to your dad and you do things to mimic your father.
46:58: And when I wanted to mimic my father, I would work because that's what my dad did.
47:04: He worked. Then as I was a teenager, there was a dairy farm just up the road from us.
47:14: I worked on a dairy farm for maybe, well, through my teenage years,
47:19: I worked on a dairy farm and I liked that. I was just always around farming and gardening.
47:27: My wife grew up around the same type of thing.
47:32: Her dad was and still is an avid gardener. He's out there working and cultivating his vegetable garden at the age of 96.
47:46: And they're still growing their own food. So we both grew up with gardening and canning and freezing and all that stuff.
47:55: So that's my background and how I got interested in it.
48:01: Can you explain the actual phrase, food freedom? Yeah, food freedom.
48:11: We've worked ourselves into a really bad situation with the government, with the
48:17: Department of Agriculture and the various state agencies, where it's very difficult to, especially when you're talking about meat, very difficult to grow food and sell it to your neighbors.
48:35: Difficult to go to somebody and just buy a cut of meat because it's all become so regulated and dominated by the large corporations who are pretty much in bed with the government to grow the government and their business.
48:55: And that's what we're talking about when we say food freedom. So there are things, some movements afoot to try to free that up, try to get the government out of some of it and get us to the point where we're able to grow and buy and sell and trade food as free people.
49:17: One of the things that I find interesting about certain topics, and this would definitely be one of them.
49:25: I don't know how much you are in support of or interested in homeopathic medicine and all natural kind of health remedies and things like that.
49:40: But it seems that when it comes to food, nutrition, health, these subjects attract people on polar opposite ends of the religious and political arena.
49:56: In other words, you will find people who lean extremely in the direction of the right, born again
50:06: Christians, patriotic, and very active in trying to return this nation to sanity with a biblical worldview and that kind of thing.
50:24: And then you have on the 180 -degree opposite side people on the left who seem to be very attracted by this arena or area or sphere of thought.
50:38: So it makes excellent opportunities to declare
50:43: Christ to people that you might not ever have a conversation with otherwise. That's absolutely true, yeah.
50:51: Yeah, I'm glad to see that I was correct in that because that seems to be from the people that I have met.
50:57: And even going into, you know, I've been recommended to visit certain health food stores and all natural places by very conservative
51:10: Christians. And then I go in there and the people that actually own and work there are wackadoodle leftists, you know, so it's kind of interesting that you have these folks on polar opposite ends.
51:26: And not that this is necessarily involving the same subject, but it is interesting how
51:32: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who is running for president on the Democratic ticket, he is being interviewed far more often by conservative folks than liberal, or should
51:46: I say leftist. So it is quite a fascinating thing that you do have these people on the opposite ends of the spectrum that have a very similar, if not identical, interest and passion in certain areas.
52:03: But we're going to pick up where we left off there. We have to go to our midway break. And just to remind you folks, the midway break on Iron Trap and Zion Radio is a little longer than the other breaks in the show because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1
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01:16:58: Larry in Baldwin, Long Island, New York, and Larry says,
01:17:06: I have seen on some conservative outlets that there is much fraudulent rhetoric being spewed about in regard to the superiority of organic food and some of it may be even more dangerous than food that has been sprayed with pesticides.
01:17:29: Have you heard this, and what is your opinion? Harmful in relation to non -organically raised food?
01:17:46: I'm not sure what he's specifically referring to.
01:17:52: Well, you know, I remember seeing, I don't know if you know who John Stossel is.
01:17:59: John Stossel was, I believe he was a part of the
01:18:06: ABC news program of 2020 perhaps, or primetime, and he was saying that there was a lot of false advertising in regard to the far superior nature of organic food, and he was saying in some cases there was no difference at all after people did, scientists did experiments and tests and so on, and I think that some of the danger that was involved on some occasions was the manure or something, that perhaps it's just that they're not being properly cleaned by people when they eat the organic food, but anything like that ringing a bell?
01:18:54: Well, yeah, I mean, obviously any food you raise, whether it's organic or not, if you don't raise it in sanitary conditions it's going to be a problem.
01:19:05: There's a, it's a multifaceted thing. I grow a lot of food, and I try to stay as close to organic practices as I can.
01:19:22: Sometimes I don't, sometimes I find better ways, and some people would criticize that.
01:19:31: If you're not careful in how you grow food you're going to run into a problem however you grow it, but I mean the fact that organically raised vegetables are, you're pretty much raising something the way
01:19:49: God designed it, and that's, when we get into the Christian viewpoints of agriculture, that's one thing we're looking for.
01:19:59: How did God design these things to grow, whether it's animals or vegetables?
01:20:05: Take a look at the nature of the plant and how he designed it and raise it in a way that's consistent with that.
01:20:18: I, for example, use some herbicide.
01:20:25: I'm very careful with it. I don't use it heavily. I don't use it near anything that's being grown.
01:20:33: So that's not an organic method, but I need to use it sometimes to control weeds.
01:20:40: So it's not always a black and white line between organic and non -organic.
01:20:48: Also, there's a lot of food out there that says it's organic, and how do you know it's organic?
01:20:56: You go in a grocery store and you see all these beautiful, perfect apples, and they're organic.
01:21:03: Well, if you've ever grown apples, you have an understanding how difficult it is to grow organic apples without using any chemical pesticides.
01:21:16: It's not impossible, and there are organic apples, but you need to be careful when you see something called organic.
01:21:23: Is it really organic? How do you know? And that gets into something
01:21:29: I wanted to talk about anyway, which is it's good to buy food locally where you know the person who grew it or you at least have contact with the person who grew it.
01:21:40: And that's one of the aspects of food freedom where through government regulation and the corporate marriage between the big companies and the government, small growers are getting squeezed out.
01:21:56: Everybody knows that there are far fewer farmers every year because the small family farms are getting squeezed out.
01:22:05: And when you do that, you lose contact with the people who have grown your food.
01:22:12: So I would say you cannot do any better than knowing someone who raises organic animals and grows organic vegetables and buying your food from them.
01:22:24: I just don't think there's anything better than that. Well, thank you, Larry.
01:22:30: Let's get into some of the very primary things that you wanted to address that involve the biblical evidence for what you're talking about.
01:22:42: Yeah. Just to back up a little bit, before the break you mentioned how this topic brings together a lot of a very broad and varied group of people.
01:22:58: I think the guy who best typifies that is Joel Salatin. I don't know if you've heard of Joel Salatin.
01:23:04: Not at this moment. I can't remember. Okay. If there's a guru of this topic, he's it.
01:23:11: If you talk to anyone who's involved in the organic food movement, they've heard of Joel Salatin and a lot of them read him.
01:23:22: This is what he calls himself. He calls himself a Christian, libertarian, environmentalist, capitalist, lunatic farmer.
01:23:34: Sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah. If you want to see a really fascinating video, it's long.
01:23:40: It's an hour or two long, but if you go on YouTube, Joel Salatin spoke at the
01:23:45: Acton Institute. A -C -T -O -N. Yeah. I remember I promoted another event by them.
01:23:53: I can't remember specifically what it was right now, but that name is extremely familiar to me, the Acton Institute.
01:24:00: Okay. I think it was about a two -hour address there. That was a really good observation you made.
01:24:09: He goes into exactly that, the huge variety and diversity of viewpoints that enter into this.
01:24:20: He comments that he's been asked to run for political office by every political party that he's ever heard of.
01:24:28: Huh. It is a tremendously... In a way, it's a unifying thing between people of various viewpoints.
01:24:37: As long as they're unifying on something good, I guess that's a good thing. This gets into what you just mentioned, some of the biblical aspects of it.
01:24:49: His farm is in Swoop, Virginia, and he uses very, very innovative organic farming methods.
01:25:01: The farm started when his father bought it in the 50s. It was eroded and farmed out pretty much uselessly, and not much would grow on it.
01:25:14: From the 50s until now, it's turned into one of the most highly productive farms in that area of the state through organic farming practices.
01:25:25: He says he's never put a bag of chemical fertilizer on the ground, but you can visit there.
01:25:32: He welcomes you to visit. It's a beautiful, lush farm that's all done with natural organic practices.
01:25:44: It's tremendously productive. It's just really interesting how he does it.
01:25:52: He wrote a book called The Pigness of the Pig. What he means by that is a pig has certain characteristics that are designed into it by God.
01:26:06: If you want to raise pigs and use pigs for food, the best way to do it is to observe how
01:26:14: God created it, and then give it an opportunity to operate within those parameters, and you'll be more successful than if you try to buck the design that God gave to the pig.
01:26:29: That's interesting, because if someone were to say to me, I want to give you some advice on what to eat biblically, pig would not be the first thing that popped into my head.
01:26:43: That's a good point. One of the things that he'll show you, well,
01:26:51: I say he'll show you, you can stop at the farm and look around as much as you want at any time.
01:26:57: If you want a tour, you have to schedule it ahead of time with a group. Anyway, one of the
01:27:03: You can go on YouTube and see videos about this. He observed how animals behave in nature, for instance buffalo and bison, and he noticed how, he said, well, buffalo don't stand in one little area for three months and eat it down to nothing, they move along.
01:27:34: And he noticed that after the buffalo move along, other animals come in behind the buffalo, and they do their thing after the buffalo are there.
01:27:44: And he looked and he said, well, this is how God designed this to work. So he does it that way on his farm.
01:27:52: He has it divided into paddocks, and he'll put the beef cattle in an area and let them there until they eat the grass down to about six inches tall, and then they move on.
01:28:06: And he has reasons why he regulates the height of the grass by the cattle eating it.
01:28:13: And then he puts, he has, we probably don't have time to go into detailed description of it, but he has what he calls chicken tractors.
01:28:23: They're large, I think they're 10 by 20 foot chicken cages with about maybe 30 or 40 chickens in each cage, and they're on wheels.
01:28:36: So after the cattle go through, he brings these chicken tractors in there, huge long rows of them.
01:28:43: They move them every day across the field. They move them, I think, 20 feet per day.
01:28:50: And these chickens then eat the flies and larvae and so forth that infest the cow manure and digest that, and they spread the cow manure.
01:29:08: So the cow manure fertilizes the land, and then they move on to the next step.
01:29:18: So basically, the principles involve using animals the way
01:29:24: God created them. By the way, you mentioned bison. I'm going to give a plug for a restaurant.
01:29:32: They are not paying me. They're not advertisers. I have no idea whether they're owned by Christians or not.
01:29:38: But when I was living on Long Island, I used to love to pay a visit on occasion to Tweed's Restaurant, T -W -E -E -D -S, and the owner of the restaurant owns a bison farm.
01:29:53: And man, oh man, were those bison steaks out of this world. And so if anybody listening either lives on Long Island or is visiting there, my former hometown of Amityville, Long Island, but I used to love to go out east to Riverhead to Tweed's on occasion, and it will be well worth your trip.
01:30:15: Really love their bison. That's good. Let's see. We have
01:30:20: Paul. And Paul lives in Belmore, Long Island, New York.
01:30:28: And Paul asks, what specifically are the ways in which the government is trying to restrict our food freedom?
01:30:36: A lot of it has to do with the regulation of the meat industry.
01:30:46: There are four meat companies who provide 80 % of the meat that we consume in the
01:30:54: United States. And those meat companies work with the
01:31:00: Department of Agriculture. It's sort of a symbiotic relationship where they feed each other.
01:31:10: Much like during the COVID thing, we learned how the pharmaceutical industry works with the government and through the regulation is able to make a lot of money.
01:31:31: It's a similar thing where the large meat corporations use the government to squeeze out the little guy.
01:31:39: When that happens, you wind up with things like if you go and eat a fast food hamburger, the meat in that hamburger probably came from over 100 cows.
01:31:54: When you talk about food safety, what would be safer to eat a hamburger from one cow that came from a farmer who you can talk to, or eating a hamburger from 100 cows that came from who knows where?
01:32:14: I spent my career working in the electronic industry, electronic manufacturing.
01:32:21: One of the things that was always stressed there was that you can't inspect in quality.
01:32:28: You can't expect what kind of quality? You cannot inspect in quality. In quality?
01:32:36: Yeah, you cannot inspect quality into a product. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, so you can't have a sloppy manufacturing process and then fix your problems by inspecting the product.
01:32:48: You have to have a process from the beginning to the end that's efficient and well made so that the product has inherent quality.
01:32:57: Then a little inspection is good just to make sure everything's okay. But that's kind of how the meat industry is.
01:33:06: It's all based on these USDA inspections that are done in the large meat houses.
01:33:13: A farmer now who raises cattle finds it difficult to get a
01:33:20: USDA inspection done on his meat so that he can sell it because the inspection is tied up with the larger and larger companies.
01:33:33: So this is something that may even originally have started with a genuine concern for the safety of consumers and citizens that seems to have spiraled into something perhaps even sinister where that has nothing to do with the concern.
01:33:53: It has to do with control. Am I right? Yeah, well, that's an aspect of it.
01:33:59: It's not entirely corrupt to that degree, but that's a definite aspect of it.
01:34:06: Just like things involving the FDA and things involving experimental pharmaceutical products or all natural products that are being investigated and are the subject of experiments where there are people who believe that there are certain all natural things that have qualities that may lessen the possibility of cancer in someone's life.
01:34:39: And the Food and Drug Administration does not want anybody to know about that or touch that or take that because they are the kings and queens of what we use to help improve our health or save our lives if we're dying of something.
01:34:55: And it's really the government getting involved to so deep a level where they have no business being where we have lost the sovereignty over our own lives.
01:35:11: That's right. Yeah, and not even to mention that the federal government has no business whatsoever inspecting a piece of meat.
01:35:18: That's not even the job at all of the federal government.
01:35:24: But even if you set that aside, the way the system has been captured by large corporations, it's really not working to make us more healthy.
01:35:39: There's a difference between food safety and the quality of food.
01:35:46: Food can be safe. In other words, it won't make you sick, but it can be drained of its nutrients.
01:35:53: And the mass farming practices that are being implemented because the government policy is driving toward larger and larger agribusiness and they're producing massive amounts of food by dumping chemical fertilizer on ground that has a short -term benefit but in the long term wears out the soil and depletes nutrients.
01:36:24: And part of the health problem in our country is likely due to the fact that our food that we typically eat has fewer and fewer nutrients that would naturally be in the food if it was grown in a more organic practice, which is more and more difficult to do because a small farm doing that finds it hard to survive.
01:36:49: We have to go to our final break right now. And folks, if you have any intention to submit a question for my guest
01:36:54: Jim Mogul, do it quickly because we're rapidly running out of time. ChrisArnson at gmail .com, ChrisArnson at gmail .com.
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01:53:37: I want to make sure before I take any listener question that you summarize what you most wanted to say today, that you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners about this topic.
01:53:50: Yeah, well, thanks for that. As far as the food freedom issue is concerned, a lot of it has to do with getting the government out of where it doesn't belong.
01:54:04: And Thomas Massey, Congressman Thomas Massey, has a bill in Congress called the
01:54:13: Prime Act. And that would allow farmers to bypass some of, not all, but some of the regulatory overreach of the federal government.
01:54:25: And that's a good thing. He spoke at a conference down at Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm back in May.
01:54:34: My son and I were down at that conference. It was well attended and a lot of good stuff there.
01:54:40: So if you're interested in the food freedom aspect of it, that would be a good thing to look into.
01:54:48: I highly recommend Joel Salatin as a resource for this.
01:54:54: You can find his stuff online. Another man who I have not mentioned is a man named
01:54:59: Noah Sanders. Noah spoke at one of our Future of Christendom conferences a few years ago.
01:55:05: He has written a book called Born Again Dirt. And if you're interested in a very explicitly
01:55:13: Christian view of agriculture, I highly recommend that book. His name is
01:55:20: Noah Sanders. You can Google him. He also has an online organization that you can join to get a lot of information if you're interested in growing things.
01:55:34: And basically gardening and farming by God's design is the core of all of that.
01:55:40: So that's a summary of what I wanted to get across today, Chris. Great.
01:55:47: And I took the liberty of looking up the website of Joel Salatin so I can announce that to our listeners.
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01:56:12: Oh, hey, one other thing I want to throw in, just food for thought. You can digest this a little bit.
01:56:19: The total farm output annually for the United States is about $175 billion, and the budget for the
01:56:28: United States Department of Agriculture is $196 billion, higher than the total food output from our farms.
01:56:37: Wow. Now, perhaps you could conclude by responding to the knee -jerk, instinctive reactions of many people.
01:56:47: It's not only liberals, it's a lot of Christians, a lot of Christians that would profess to be conservative
01:56:52: Bible believers, where they automatically would say, Are you out of your mind?
01:56:58: Do you want the government out of food inspection and all this kind of thing?
01:57:04: There are going to be people dying all over the country because they're getting poisoned by people who are greedy business owners, greedy food companies who just don't care about the purity and healthy quality of their food.
01:57:21: People have looked to Big Brother as their protector for so long, and it was very made evident during the whole
01:57:30: COVID crisis with people in churches masked up even long after the mandates were ended.
01:57:40: So just give us a word about why there are people who are wrongly responding to this, thinking that we need
01:57:48: Big Brother, the government, to protect us from ourselves and to protect us from people who are selling food or meat or produce to us.
01:58:03: Yeah, well, you summarized it pretty well. We need to get away from this mindset that we need the government to protect us every step of the way.
01:58:14: We're responsible for our own lives. Every decision we make is a cost -benefit analysis.
01:58:21: And so if you're afraid that the meat that you're going to get is not safe, would it not be better to learn where your meat comes from and take responsibility to buy meat that's locally grown?
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01:58:57: and also the website where you can register for the upcoming conference, the 15th through the 17th of September in Lancaster County featuring
01:59:06: Dr. James R. White. And a debate that he is having on the theme, Is Gay Christian a
01:59:12: Biblically Acceptable Identity for a Member of Christ's Church? That's futureofchristendom .org,
01:59:17: futureofchristendom .org. I want to wish everybody a very safe, happy, and healthy and Christ -honoring weekend and Lord's Day.
01:59:25: And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.