Dead Man Talking Mediums and Necromancy

Okay, so Dr. Blevins, I have

a joke that might be appropriate for tonight.

So what do you call.

A little, wait a minute, a little psychic who's running from the law?

A little psychic who's running from the law?

I don't know.

A small medium at large.

A small medium at large.

Okay, with that, I'm Terry Camerizal here with Creation Fellowship

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Since it is the season of Halloween, we decided to find a speaker who could

talk to us about topics such as the occult and mediums and psychics at large.

So Dr. Brady Blevins serves as a senior apologist at Watchman Fellowship.

Brady is a former senior pastor with over 15 years of ministry experience.

He has written a number of profiles for Watchman Fellowship while in the pastorate and since has joined

the staff.

He has a heart for sharing the truth of the gospel to those who have been deceived by counterfeit Christianity, the

occult, cults, and false religions.

In addition to the time spent in church ministry, he has also served as a college professor and administrator

over the last 11 years.

And so with that, I'm happy to turn it over to you.

All right, well thank you so much.

Yeah, I work for a ministry called Watchman Fellowship and remember it's Watchman Fellowship,

not the Watchtower, okay?

We're the good guys, they're the bad guys.

But no, seriously, our ministry does focus on, you know, false religions.

We want to look to help to be able to equip you whenever you have

maybe a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness at your door, maybe a Muslim coworker,

or maybe you run into somebody who's involved in the occult.

And what's interesting is that, you know, a lot of times we don't,

you know, the occult's not like the, you know, the super exciting topic for some people

until all of a sudden they realize what's actually at stake.

And we're actually surrounded a lot more by the occult than what a lot of people,

you know, give credit for or realize.

And so I want to just dip into this topic and the reason why that we don't see

people maybe aren't as interested into it is in it, excuse me, because they don't really know what the

occult is.

I mean, it's like, wait, hold on.

So it's not the, it's not a cult, it's the occult.

What do you mean?

Like, how do you spell that?

O -C -C -U -L -T, like, what is that?

Well, I want to look at a definition and I kind of give a working definition, if you will.

And it's this, the occult's a body of science, which is not widely known to the general population

consisting of hidden knowledge about the workings of the human psyche and the laws of nature, both

seen as the physical laws and the unseen, which is the spiritual laws.

And that's a pretty good definition.

At Watchmen, though, we try to drill down a little bit more and we, you

know, we try to really look at this word and understand what it means.

Because when we're looking at the actual word occult, it just means that which is hidden from view or

covered up.

But we want to just kind of make it crystal clear.

And so we always tell people it's the ability to gain knowledge or power from

supernatural forces apart from the God of the Bible.

And that's an important thing to consider because it's trying to gain

knowledge or power supernaturally outside of God.

So there's a couple of different ways that this is done.

Take, for example, tarot cards.

These are allegedly tools that can be used to guide you through life.

The history of the deck is really lengthy.

In fact, I wrote a profile that was published earlier this year on tarot cards.

And it's kind of interesting because, you know, when we're writing these stuff first at

Watchmen, we look to try to get the best of the best that we can to write on particular topics and subjects.

But one of the things that's really important for us, regardless of what the topic is, is that we reach out and we try to find

somebody who is involved in a particular discipline and have them read it.

So I got finished writing this tarot card profile.

And so what I do, I go to the metaphysical bookshop and I go talk to some tarot card readers.

And the first one I handed to was an elderly lady.

She was working there at the counter.

And I explained who I was and what I was doing and asked, hey, can you just read this and tell me if I got it right or not?

You know, I mean, I'm confident in my work, but, you know, you want to still man

the position.

And she got reading.

She got in reading it.

She says, honey, I think you're ready to read tarot.

I just started laughing and said, I don't think so.

But what are tarot cards?

They consist of 78 cards.

They're divided into two groups.

You have the major arcana.

There's 22 cards that are considered the major arcana card.

So then you have 56 minor arcana cards.

When we're talking about major arcana, we're talking about life events, minor or major life events, minor arcana

would be like minor life events.

And so what what the whole idea is, is that you can use these cards to be able

to understand and really get an idea of what's

going on in terms of what can what's in your future.

Although they're not used necessarily to tell future, you're not going to find a tarot card reader who's going to say,

well, we can tell these.

We can tell your future by these cards, but instead they can give you knowledge about

what's happening.

OK, and so, you know, you look at these the major arcana cards, they're

interesting because they're characterized by images such as the fool and death and

the hangman and temperance.

And what's purported is that the journey of self -development begins with the fool

or your earliest awareness.

And then it works through integration, which is the other 20 cards.

And then it culminates at the world.

And so as you're as you're turning over these cards, these these major

arcana cards are telling are supposed to be telling about major things in your life.

And so it's a way for you to be able to gain information about that.

Now, the other cards in the deck, the other 56 cards, the minor arcana.

These are life events and understand these are just like playing cards.

They have they have four suits, but instead of, you know, hearts, diamonds,

clubs, spades, it's one swords, cups and pinnacles or

circles.

And each of the suits have a meeting.

They're numbered, except rather than being number two through ten, like a

deck of playing cards would be.

They're numbered one through ten and they include a king and queen, but a knight and a

page instead of an ace and a jack.

And so, again, every part of these cards have some type of

of meaning attached to it, whether it's a, you know, the elements that are being

presented or whatever the case is.

But here's the interesting thing is you think about this, that if you were to go

and get a reading and of course, there's different types of decks.

And I mean, the colors that are used in the deck, they all this has a

very subjective meaning to them.

In fact, when I was doing my research on this, I asked I asked a couple of different tarot card readers.

I said, OK, well, let's say that is improbable as it is that I

got a reading with a rider weight deck.

And I drove across town and I got the exact same cards come up, would I have the exact

same reading as improbable as that would be?

And they they also will know, of course, not.

And I mean, of course, the red flag should be coming up if this really is some kind of surefire

way and not some kind of farce or something to be put in.

But really, where this works off of it in, you know, you can't really understand tarot cards without talking about

Carl Jung, who was a Swiss psychologist.

And he talks about archetypes and archetypes are represented by universal themes, caring,

varying by culture.

This could be, you know, literature, art, dreams.

And so he believed that shared concepts or archetypes permeate the

collective unconscious, which hold these mental patterns, memory traces that are

shared by all human beings.

And what those who deal with tarot cards, they say, yeah, yeah, this is exactly what these major and minor

arcana cards are dealing with.

And and so they try to cling to his work.

And so you say, OK, well, how does all this stuff work?

Well, if you were to go and get a tarot card reading, what they would do is they would have you shuffle the deck.

And so as you shuffle the deck, your your energy is being put into this deck.

And so that's how, you know, the right cards come up.

And then they would lay them out into a spread.

Now, there's there's all kinds of different spreads.

You have what you see on your screen now is is a three card spread.

And hopefully you can see my cursor here.

So in a three card spread, this would be the past, your past.

And this would be the present.

And this one would be the future.

And so, like, even with this, the colors would have meaning.

The fact that this card is upside down would have a meaning.

The number that's associated with all all this stuff has a meaning.

But there's all these different types of spreads, different tarot card readers use.

And so, again, this is an occultic practice, just trying to gain knowledge along the way.

But yet we got to realize that this is it.

At best, it's just, you know, something people do to to

try to gain knowledge.

At worst, this is a demonic activity that is a tool of Satan to draw

people away from the truth.

But I want to move over into another tool of the occult that I think is

even more sinister than tarot cards.

And that's the Ouija board.

The history of the Ouija board is is fascinating.

Some some say it dates back as far as 551 B .C. with the Chinese.

Some have had put it with Pythagoras and 540 B .C. here in

America.

It came more around the 19th century as is kind of the occult heyday,

if you will, kind of during the Civil War era.

In fact, at one point they said that there were more Ouija boards than prayer books in the college

dormitory.

But it the Ouija board and the occult really kind of got a new breath of

life into the 60s and 70s here in America.

But but going back to the origination of the Ouija board, the whole

concept of this.

And these are known as is talking boards.

People would put their fingers on the on the planchette and the planchette is this little kind

of tear shaped item here.

And, you know, you put on there and then you ask the spirits what

whatever question.

And it can be yes or no.

And they can spell out the answer.

And in this is this is a very dangerous tool because this is

just another form of necromancy or trying to speak to the dead.

And we'll talk a little bit later about the specifics behind what the Bible has to say about it.

But what's interesting is that the history of the Ouija board.

In fact, I want to kind of go back here.

Notice if you can look on your screen here where it says William Fold.

He he didn't bring the Ouija board to America.

It was really a guy by the name of Elijah Bond.

But William Fold bought the the patent for the Ouija board

from Elijah Bond.

And he owned a ultimately a company, a novelty company called

the Southern Novelty Company in Baltimore, Maryland.

And of course, it it later became to be known as the Baltimore Talking Board Company, which is the

original name of the of the Ouija board here in America.

And and he just started selling them hand over fist.

Well, then this is where the IRS gets involved.

In fact, how most Americans view the Ouija board today has more to do

with the Internal Revenue Service in our federal government than it does anything else.

So what happened?

Because when when he started selling these, he said, no, this is a

religious item, even though he was a Presbyterian.

He says this is a religious item.

And this is what he started to do.

He he's selling them, but there's no taxing involved.

And the federal government wants to get involved on this.

You know, they want to get their piece of the pie.

And so they say, no, no, no, this is this is nothing more than a toy or a game.

And so therefore, you you can't you know, you can't do this.

You can't you know, you're going to have to pay taxes on it.

And so this thing, you know, got in court that the Supreme Court

didn't decided not to hear it.

But the lower courts did.

And what's interesting is, is that his attorney made the claim that

this was not a novelty and shouldn't be taxed.

And when he took when he took the the attorney said that, you know, this is the case.

But yet the court came back and said, we contend that it the Ouija board is a

form of amateur mediumship.

We understand that that's what you believe, that it's some kind of form.

We're not willing to go that far, but we realize that it's probably something more than just

a game.

But yet, surprise, surprise.

They sided with the IRS.

In fact, we have a we have a profile on this one

as well.

It came out a few years back and I can I can make those links available for you and you can send it out to

the group.

But probably the biggest thing in our culture today is is psychics,

because, I mean, you got to think there's a lot of different TV shows over the years.

Personalities, whether it's Sylvia Brown, James Van Pregg, the Long Island

Medium, just to name a few.

I mean, Crossing Over with John Edwards, that was a big show back in the 90s, especially.

You know, you turn on the TV and you see these people and.

It can really be it can really be just mind blowing

what they're doing.

And you hear the term often used as psychic, but then like, you know, with the Long Island Medium, Teresa Caputo,

you know, you hear this word medium.

So a lot of people say, OK, well, what what's a psychic?

What's a medium?

James Van Pregg, for example, and this is James Van Pregg, if you're not familiar with him in one of his books,

he he gives the difference between a psychic and a medium.

In fact, he says, you know, all mediums are psychics, but not all psychics are mediums.

And so he he makes the difference.

And so when we're talking about a psychic, he would say this is a person with

well, he would say supernatural powers.

I'm going to say alleged supernatural powers.

And so what they do is they claim to be able to gain hidden knowledge through the five senses and

emotions.

So they they claim to be able to, you know, and this is kind of where you start getting into like clairvoyance.

You know, I can see clearly and you can go down the whole list of the senses

and whatnot.

Now, a medium, on the other hand, it claims to be this intermediary

between the physical world and the spiritual world.

So medium claims to be able to kind of go into this this metaphysical

area beyond the physical into the spiritual realm.

And I think one of the most important questions that that we have to ask is, are they

really able to do this?

Is this something that they can do?

And we should look no further than the Bible for our answer.

In fact, I want to turn your attention here to Luke chapter 16 and beginning in verse

number 19.

We see a story that Jesus is telling.

And and this is what he says.

There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen, who feasted

sumptuously every day.

And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who

desired to be fed with that which fell from the rich man's table.

Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.

The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.

The rich man also died and was buried.

And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham

far off in Lazarus at his side.

And he called out, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in

water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.

But Abraham said, Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things and Lazarus in like manner

bad things.

But now he is comforted here and you are in anguish.

And besides all this between us and you, a great chasm has been fixed in order that those

who would pass from here to you may not be able and none may cross from there

to us.

And he said, Then I beg you, Father, to send him to my father's house, for I

have five brothers, that he may warn them, lest they also

come into this place of torment.

But look at what happens here.

But Abraham said, They have Moses and the prophets.

Let them hear them.

And he said, No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if

someone should rise from the dead.

Now, notice what happens in the story.

So you have this conversation going on between the rich man

and Abraham, and he's desiring that someone come back from the dead to give warning

to his family.

But Abraham's response is important because he says, Listen, there's this great chasm.

There's this great gulf that's fixed between us and you.

You can't come to me.

I can't come to you.

And most importantly, for our conversation tonight, those who are deceased cannot come back

to earth.

And so as a Christian who knows that the Bible is true and trustworthy,

I know because of what the Bible says that these folks, they're not talking to our dear

dead Aunt Edna.

They're actually talking if they are hearing something and if they are making communication,

it's not with our dead relative.

It's with the demonic spirit.

Obviously, a demonic spirit posing as a deceased loved one to

this medium along the way.

And so as we think about this passage, really what this passage is helping us to understand

is that death seals our destination.

You know, in the Bible says, I mean, Hebrews chapter nine, it's appointed unto men once to die than the judgment.

I mean, we don't get there.

There's not other opportunities along the way to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord for the believer.

There's no going back and forth or anything.

But what happens is, is when we watch when we watch TV and we see these folks,

it really I mean, I mean, they're able to, like, tell people stuff about themselves

that no one seems to know.

I mean, it seems like they're really doing something supernatural that they're able to.

I mean, it seems like they're doing it.

In fact, one time I was I was talking with my sister -in -law and she goes, Brady.

She goes, OK, I know it's not real.

And I just started laughing because I knew exactly what she was going to ask.

And she goes, she's why are you laughing?

What am I going to ask?

I said, I go, my psychic powers are telling me that you're going to ask about mediums and psychics.

And she started laughing and she goes, that's exactly what I was going to ask about.

And she goes, how do they do it in?

And this is why I told her, I said, first of all, you got to be careful what you watch on TV, because if you believe everything you see on TV, then

you're going to believe that Superman can fly and a DeLorean can take you back to the

future.

So there's a lot of editing and stuff that can go on.

But I mean, hey, let's just be honest for a moment.

Not all of it's editing.

So how do they do it?

Well, I'm going to show you an example in just a minute.

We're going to show you how this can be done.

But I want to I want to show you the three ways that this is accomplished.

First of all, there's something that's called a cold reading.

Now, in cold readings, what the person does is they just pose general questions to a large crowd.

And so you throw something out there and then you look for the answer.

And so what happens is, is a lot of times that when you throw the question out there, people will start

asking questions.

And what you can what happens in is if you're a really good listener

and you can kind of hear between the lines, if you will, you can ask more

questions, gain more information.

And sometimes if you just keep your mouth shut, they'll tell you even more.

And then you can use that information to make some really good deductive

guesses as to what they're doing.

And so what I want to do is I want to show you a video a few years back when it was the Kelly and

Michael show.

Teresa Caputo, the Long Island medium, was on their show.

I'm not going to show you a clip from her actual show.

What I'm going to do is I'm going to show you a clip from the after show that was posted online.

And I want you to just watch this really short interaction here.

Welcome to our web exclusive with Teresa Caputo, the Long Island medium, who is going to read members of our audience.

She's been doing it earlier in the show today.

And now there's so much so many people, so little time.

So are there any spirits coming through right now?

There's always spirit.

OK, I don't know.

Who did somebody lose their husband over here?

Who lost the husband?

Because this is before.

OK, because when I was standing over here, this is where I got confused when I went with the younger male before with the husband, because I heard husband over there.

And I knew I was over here.

So then I had switched.

OK, so unfortunately, you lost your husband.

Your husband stepped on.

Was your husband ill prior to his passing?

Because what happens is, you know, people say, oh, of course he was ill.

But you know what?

What I've learned is being a medium, people leave the physical world in many different ways.

And the first thing that your husband said was that he wanted you to know how much he appreciated every unselfish thing

you did for him.

He says, I wish I told you that more here in the physical world.

He said, you loved and cared for me in a way that I was able to leave the physical world with dignity and grace.

And you're not a nurse.

Is that correct?

Correct.

And he says, but you gave me that.

And he says, and I want to thank you for that.

The day that he became sick, you dropped everything and cared for him.

And you know what he just said?

Oh, I think your husband, he's funny.

Because I like to communicate with the person.

And he goes, you know what?

I can be a bit stubborn, Teresa.

I go, oh, really?

Now, what's what was with the oatmeal?

What did you use to make him eat a certain food or something?

Okay, this is my meaning.

See, my meaning in signs and symbols, it doesn't mean that they're incorrect.

It means that it might just have a different meaning for you.

So what happened is I saw chocolate all around his face.

That's my symbol for somebody was either diabetic or they were not allowed to eat certain foods here in the physical world.

So whatever it was that he was not allowed to have, because he just now showed me himself full face, rosy cheeks.

That's my symbol for when someone's physical appearance has changed.

So whatever it was that he was not able to prior to his departure, he left with the physical body and

he's able to do on the other side.

Now, I want to talk about who's wearing the picture of someone.

Okay, so I want to go through this for just a moment.

And I'm going to pull out a share screen here for just a second.

Let's kind of go over this for just a moment.

First of all, she's posing a question.

Does someone over here lose a spouse, you know,

lose a husband specifically?

Okay, now let's just think about this.

This is being recorded in the middle of the week during the school year.

What kind of people do you think you're going to get as a whole in this audience?

You know, you're going to get people who are retired.

I mean, you know, my wife at that time, you

know, our kids are a little bit older now.

But, you know, I mean, yeah, we're not going anywhere in the middle of the week.

We're certainly not going to go to a taping of Kelly and Michael during the middle of the school.

So, yeah, your odds are probably pretty good.

And then notice, so as she's walking over there, what does she do?

She's like, well, yeah, you know, see, earlier when I messed up, no, no, that wasn't really a mess

-up.

This is, I knew this was it.

This was where spirit, you know, sometimes I just don't listen well.

And so she's already kind of explaining away a mistake.

And then she goes over there and she asked three questions.

Did you catch that?

She asked three questions.

So the first one was, was your husband sick when he died?

Now listen, she knows that's a ridiculous question.

All right.

This is obviously an older lady.

Okay.

And she knows that people like me are going to say, yeah, that you're, yeah, you're not really

stretching it too far.

Right.

I mean, come on, seriously.

And so she preempts it by saying, now, listen, people leave the world in all kinds of different ways.

I mean, listen, it's either going to be unexpected, you

know, some kind of accident.

Right.

Natural causes.

Okay.

I mean, suicide.

There's not that many.

There's not that many ways people really die.

I mean, so she's really throwing out a high probability

question.

Okay.

And then her next question that she asked is,

well, you're not a nurse, are you?

Now think about this for a moment.

All right.

And I did the numbers on this.

So if you take the number of women who are old enough to be a nurse.

Okay.

So you take our population.

Now we got to go down to the women.

Now we got to look at women within, you know, within the working class.

Okay.

I mean, you know, you've got to be what you got to have a nursing degree.

So you got to be at least 22, 23 years old to be a nurse.

You know, how long are you going to work as a nurse?

You know, maybe 60s or something, maybe, maybe 70 at oldest, you know?

So if you look at this and I did, I went and looked at all the census numbers.

She had about a 97 and a half percent chance of getting this right, that this

woman wasn't a nurse.

But notice how she asked the question.

She said, well, you're not a nurse, are you?

So one time I was speaking in Orlando, Tennessee.

Okay.

It's a, it's a very small farming community, far North Tennessee.

It's almost in Kentucky.

In fact, it's just a few, a few miles from the border.

And, and so I'm in this little bitty farming town and I'm, I'm giving

basically a presentation, very similar to this one.

And I showed the clip and I had two ladies in front of me and I'm like, okay, I'm going to pick

the one on the left or the right.

So I'm going to pick this one.

And I say, well, you're, you're not a nurse, are you?

And, and the woman goes, well, actually, yes, I am.

And of course, everybody just starts dying laughing because I mean, here we are.

I mean, we're like 30, 40 minutes away from the nearest hospital.

Okay.

They don't even have a doctor in their town at the time.

Okay.

In fact, I think that there was less.

I think there was like 900 people or 800 people or something total

in the town, which included the outskirts and the farming areas.

And so, I mean, highly improbable that, that this would happen.

And so when everyone's stop laughing, including myself, I said, I said, no, this is perfect.

I said, so what if the lady had answered?

Yes, I am a nurse.

Well, she would have said it knows.

She asked the question.

You're not a nurse.

Are you?

And she said, yes, but you know what?

I thought that I, I thought that you might be because spirit is, is giving me the sign

and it shows me that you took very good care of him.

And that's the kind of care that you would only get from a nurse.

So you see that if, if you are, if

you are quick on your feet, you word questions the right way.

Yeah.

You can, you can get through this.

You can absolutely.

Do this.

Yes.

Do you suppose that the sign she saw was a dollar sign?

Possibly.

Possibly there there's no telling.

You know, well, if for her, I mean, she's made, she's made a ton of money and what's interesting about Teresa, she

claims to be a Catholic.

And I'm just thinking, you know, I mean, it's, it's,.

It's interesting.

I mean,.

I think that as much as we could go in and talk about Catholicism and some of the stuff involved in Catholicism

and some of the occult practices that are, that are in the church in different areas of the world.

You know, you, you think that that.

Be some kind of issue with them, but I digress.

But, but notice the one question that she asked specifically is, you know,

was the dietary question.

Was there chocolate on it?

Did he not?

And the woman's like, no.

And then, then she stops and she is now, listen, it's not that I'm wrong.

I mean, can you imagine that?

I'd love to.

Hey, I want to go back to school and try that with my professor.

Now see, it's not that it's not that my answer to your question is wrong.

It's just that the way I see it, it may be different than the way you see it.

And what, what you believe is the right answer is actually what my answer is.

And that's essentially what she's saying to this lady.

And I don't know if you caught this or not, but.

You notice the lady next to her for friend is starting to tear up.

As she starts to give this woman, this wonderful, beautiful message.

That was the lady she was talking to.

I thought the lady crying was the one that was supposed to have the husband with the chocolate around his mouth.

Yeah.

The lady on the right was the one she's talking to with the gray hair.

The lady to her, right.

Our left was, was her friend.

And I mean, her friends just, I mean, she's eating it up.

I mean, she's just like, Oh, wow.

And.

This is what's interesting is when I, when I first started studying the occult

it was psychics and mediums specifically.

I noticed that man, these responses are always good.

And so I started reading a bunch of books.

I mean, from all these, all the psychics I could finally, or mediums rather finally,

I I'm reading a James van Pregg book and I finally get a negative reading and I

go, Oh, here it is.

This is the first, this is the first negative reading.

And then I'm like, I'm, I'm getting excited going.

Okay.

So they do give some negative ones.

And then right at the very end, you know, it, it, it was like a complete turn on the dive, but you know, Hey, I really

appreciate it.

It's like, Oh man, you know, every single one of these readings you ever hear, you never hear of a

reading where they go, you know what, you were a big jerk and, and you abused me when I was sick and about to die, you

put the pillow over my, you know, you, you never hear anything like that.

And so why, it kind of goes back to what you said, you know, cause she'd be seeing a dollar sign.

Well, yeah, you're not going to make a lot of money like that, but if you're given this positive thing for a moment,

you know, this last year, year and a half has been really rough all around the world.

I'm sure at this point, we all know someone who's not only got COVID.

I know a couple of people who have died from COVID.

In fact, about a month ago, a guy went to college with he, he died he's 39 years old,

you know, leaves behind five kids just as sad.

The Saturday before last a very, very good friend of, of our family,

my wife and I, a couple that, that we've had over to our house many, many times for dinner

and games.

He died unexpectedly.

42 years old.

And in fact, I did his funeral this past Monday.

How much would, would one of those two widows give

if they could have just one more moment, just one more conversation.

And I love you to hear a message from their husband.

How much would they pay for that?

I mean, how much would you give?

I mean, everybody in here, I mean, if, listen, if you've lived long enough that you got a little wear on the tread of your life,

you've lost someone.

I mean, I've, I've, you know, I got the opportunity to have, have all four of my grandparents into my

mid twenties.

You know I lost my last one in, in May of 2019.

I'd love to hear from them.

I'd love to be able to show them my kids and have a conversation and how they've grown up.

And, and I mean, I got an 18 year old and a 16 year old and one's in college and the other's in high school

and doing great.

And wouldn't we love to have that conversation?

This is what these people pray on.

This is why we need to know this subject because some people,

even Christians are willing to take the bait because the longing

that they have for that one that they've lost is so great.

That's the, that's the, the depth to this.

Now the question that I get from time to time and, and I, and I want to, I want to bring it,

bring it back up to you, to you guys now is this question of does, does

anyone question them?

And, and the answer to this question is yes.

They have been questioned.

So, I wrote a profile on James Van Pregg a few years ago

and he very famous.

His heyday was really in the late eighties and early nineties.

His fingerprint was on a couple of big time television shows.

He had a TV show himself.

He was author in a number of books.

He's made a little bit of a comeback.

One of the, one of those housewives shows had him on a couple of episodes and so he

kind of got a little limelight again.

He was, he was challenged in a sense.

Okay.

Now you had the James Randi Educational Foundation.

They actually put out a million dollar challenge that was out there for a number of years that

no psychic or me.

In fact, they even put a financial report out there that showed their bank account where there was over a million dollars.

So they're good for the money.

I mean, you think if you're a real medium, hey, this is man, this is just, you know, Hey,

let's go get a million dollars.

I mean, you know, if, if somebody says show us evidence that Jesus rose from the dead, we'll give you a

million dollars.

I'm going to go try to beat Gary Habermas to the punch.

Right.

You know, I'm going to go, I'm going to go show some facts.

Okay.

But what happened was, is James Van

Pregg had, had been out to an ABC affiliate in Seattle and he had

performed a reading on one of their employees.

And he had seven hits on 29 misses.

He man, the, the, the lady was, was crying and it was this, this very emotional

moment, you know, big deal.

Right.

I mean, it was, Oh, it was just huge.

Well, then there was a guy by the name of Michael Shermer.

Now, Michael Shermer is a he's a skeptic.

He's not a Christian.

He is definitely not a Christian.

He, he went back to the same ABC affiliate in Seattle, went to the exact

same lady and said, listen, I want to do a reading on you just like James Van Pregg did.

But I'm going to tell you, I'm a skeptic.

I don't think any of this is real.

And, but I think that I can do just as good a job as, as James Van Pregg and she

agreed to do it.

Well, he asked, instead of asking 35 questions, he asked 19

questions and he had seven hits with only 12 misses.

So he, I mean, he, he blew Van Pregg out of the water.

I mean, he, he did a much better job of doing the reading.

Now how did she act during his reading?

There were no tears.

It wasn't emotional or anything like that.

Now, listen, the law of averages says that if you ask the right questions and you're,

you're good enough, you can get some answers.

Correct.

I, you know, I like it.

I liken it to like, you know, shooting in the dark, and then turning on the lights and going, yes, that's

exactly where I'm meant to shoot.

This is in essence kind of what they're doing.

So that's, that's a cold reading.

That's, that's how you would do a cold reading.

The next kind is a warm reading.

Now a warm reading is,.

Is something you can do for, for, for communication using social media.

So these are a leads from.

Performance and now this was I think a lot more impressive years ago because this is where they use research.

And so, I mean, nowadays you can get on Facebook and some social media, pretty much find out

whatever you want to find out about somebody.

We're, we're not near as private as we used to be, or maybe as we should be,

but so what they would do is like, let's say you were going to go hear some great

psychic or something, or medium, you wanted to go be part of the show.

Well, you would call up Ticketmaster, if you remember that, to get your tickets, and what would they have you

do?

You had to pay by credit card.

Well, now, they have your information, okay?

Well, now, you can use that to go find their address,

okay?

You got to have the address, right?

Well, now, you could go out and, man, you could pay somebody to go dig through their garbage.

You sold them their ticket, so you know where they're sitting, and so what happens is

you could have something like this happen.

You might even send somebody to their house, and so then what happens is when the show comes, you know,

they're wearing like a little earpiece or something.

They're like, you know, Section A, Row 8, Seat 29.

That's the Smith family.

That's Doug and Charlotte Smith.

They're from, you know, Santee, California, whatever the case may

be, and so you walk over there.

Okay, spirits guiding me here.

This family right here, you two, you're married, aren't you?

Yes, yes.

Well, let me do something with you.

I want to channel the spirits, and just to kind of show

you that this is all legit, I want to do something called a remote viewing,

and then what happens is they begin to describe, okay, I'm in front of your

house.

You have a one -story ranch -style home.

Your door is red.

Okay, your door's red.

Okay, I'm coming to your door.

I'm opening your door.

Now, I see I'm in a small entryway.

You have a little table there to the right.

Above the table, there's a mirror, and you have two kind of candlestick things on each

side, and you have portraits.

It looks like one is a portrait of your kids.

You have two kids, one boy, one girl, and then

I see another couple over here.

I'm thinking that might be your parents.

Okay, now I notice that you have blue carpet.

Okay, now there's a step down, and I see a fireplace.

To the right of the fireplace is a table, and now the whole time, I mean, the couple's like, yeah, you're right.

How do you know all this?

I mean,.

How's he doing this?

I was just going to say that I think you got it all right for me.

There you go, and so how do they do this?

Well, here's the deal.

What this couple doesn't realize is that about four weeks ago, about a couple days after buying

their tickets to this, somebody came to their door fainting that their car was broke down, and

they needed to borrow their phone, and they allowed this person to come in, use

their phone.

They used their phone, and then they left.

They were there three or four minutes.

Well, this person's job was to walk in to notice the color of the carpet,

to notice what the entryway looked like, what were the first things that you would see, and they go back out to the

car.

They write this stuff down, and they give this research information to the

psychic or medium, and thus, there's how you get your remote viewing.

That would be a warm reading.

Now, the final kind of reading is known as a hot reading.

Now, this is where you actually have people planted in the crowd and they're actors,

and so you have this kind of stuff going on, and so whenever psychics are giving

readings, they almost always focus in on three areas, either health,

wealth, or relationships, and when you think about it, these are the perfect areas to be interested in

because, I mean, everybody is interested about the future of their

health or a loved one's health.

I mean, listen, if you know that something's going to go wrong in your body and you know it ahead of time and you can do

something to preempt it, like, I mean, if I knew I was going to have a heart attack in an hour, I would

not be here right now.

I would say sayonara, and I'm going to be up at the hospital going, hey, I'm going to have a heart attack here in 20 minutes.

Can we do something?

Everyone would like to know their financial prognostication, and basically, everybody's

in a relationship, so you might not be taking a giant leap to tell a young man or a young lady that

they're going to meet someone special.

Well, sure they are.

At least in their opinion, they're going to meet someone special, so most people, you know, I mean, don't

marry on the first person they date, so in all reality, they're probably

going to meet, you know, a couple of somebody specials, or at least they think so, before

they actually commit, so you can see how it's easy to weigh

in into these areas, but now the question I want to focus on, because I don't want to use all of our time, I know we got

to do some Q &A, and I don't want to spend all your time, so let's look at it like this.

How should we respond to mediums?

And now, this response, I'm going totally with what the Bible says.

This isn't just my ideas or anything like that.

The Bible tells us that we should test the spirits.

First John 4 says, beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they

are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

That's important.

Anybody claiming to have any kind of spiritual interaction, we got to ask them, we got to test the

spirits.

It's kind of like, I know we're not here talking about Mormonism, but there's a lot of, Mormonism is actually

from, began with occultic practices by Joseph Smith.

In fact, he was even put in prison for some of the stuff that he did

prior to starting Mormonism.

But even Mormons will say, you know, if you just pray, Moroni 10 .4, if you just pray and you ask the

Holy Spirit to give you a sign concerning the Book of Mormon, you will receive that sign.

And my question is, how do you know it was the Holy Spirit, not a deceiving spirit?

Well, it's the same thing.

When you're talking to us, this medium, well, how do you know that, how do you know that it's not

an evil spirit trying to deceive you?

How do you know, how does this work?

Well, that's the issue.

That's the problem at hand for the medium.

They don't know.

They can't know.

Now as Christians, it's really easy for us to know.

If the spirit claims to be, well, first of all, there's one Holy Spirit and there's, you know,

thousands upon thousands of evil spirits.

So first of all, second of all, if what this spirit is

communicating to you is in opposition to God's Word or contradicts God's Word, then you

can be certain that it's not the Holy Spirit that you're communicating with.

All right.

Next, the Bible tells us to avoid mediums.

In fact, Leviticus 19 .31 says, do not turn to mediums or necromancers.

Do not seek them out.

And so make yourselves unclean by them.

I am the Lord, your God.

Finally, we should heed the scriptures warning.

You say, well, what warning are you talking about?

In Deuteronomy chapter number 18 verses 10 through 12, the Bible gives us a warning

about dealing with folks like this.

And this is what the scripture says.

There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who

practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens or a sorcerer

or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer, or one who inquires of the

dead.

For whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.

And because of these abominations, the Lord, your God is driving them out before you.

I don't think the Bible could be any clearer than what we see here in

terms of how we should respond to those who claim to

do these practices.

So, you know, should a believer go get a tarot card reading or palm

reading or go to someone who gazes into a crystal ball?

Absolutely not, according to the Bible.

According to the Bible, we shouldn't play with the Ouija board.

That's trying to communicate with the spirits.

That's trying to be someone communicating with the dead.

Should we go to a psychic or a medium?

According to the Bible, absolutely not.

Because what we can know for certain is that death seals your destination.

And so, when a person is gone, when someone dies, you know, their soul

leaves their body, they're either in the presence of God or they're

in Hades, aka hell.

That's where they are.

You're one of two places, according to scripture.

So, I don't know how we're doing with time.

I don't know how this works as far as Q &A is concerned.

Let me see.

I'm listening, so I'm not looking at the time.

It's 1040, so that's 740.

Usually, we end at eight o 'clock California time.

Where are you located?

I am in the great state of Texas, so it is 940 where I'm at.

Okay, so we would be down about 10.

So, if you've got about five or ten more minutes of.

Information, we can do some Q &A.

Yeah, we can talk a little bit more about that.

So, one of the things that you find with the occult, and you'll see this,

you see this come in within our culture.

I mean, okay, look at my time here.

Okay, our culture has this desire, this desire to be

able to gain knowledge, to be able to make some kind of connection.

And how we've seen this come in is so much through the movies.

I mean, this is the Halloween season, if you will.

And so, so much of this has been commercialized in such a way that I think we as

believers, we need to be careful.

We need to take it seriously, but as we approach others, we need to be very

winsome in how we handle this.

You know, while inside, we may be like, you know, waving the alarm bells and going nuts,

because we realize the depths of this and the serious nature of this.

We need to be able to kind of steal a word from the Christian apologist, Greg Cockel, who

wrote the book Tactics.

In the book, he said, put a stone in their shoe.

Ask questions, especially if the person claims to be a Christian.

You know, you might want to ask them something to the effect of, how do you

balance what you're reading, or this movie you're wanting to go watch, or this practice that you're doing,

or going to see this site?

How do you match that up with what the Bible says?

Or ask them this question, have you ever considered what the Bible says about going to someone

who claims to be able to communicate with the dead?

And then give them these verses that we brought up today, 1 John 4, 1, you

know, Deuteronomy chapter 18, verses 10 through 12, Leviticus

1931, just to name a few.

So how do we, you know, how do we do that?

How, you know, how does this work?

And try to get them to a place where they can start thinking about it.

We don't want to come across as, oh, this is so satanic, and you got to get out of it right now.

We feel that way.

But a lot of times people will start to kind of pull away and be like, man, yeah, I'm just having a little bit of fun.

And so we want to think about how we approach people with this, and kind of

what they're thinking, and what, you know, what's going on with this?

How do they, you know, how do they see this?

Some of the other stuff that I've noticed is these practices are often thought

to be kind of like just for fun.

I mean, you know, I've spent time at like metaphysical bookstores, okay?

And you go and you see this stuff that's around there, and it's playing within the

spiritual realm.

And it's all these different things.

In fact, you see a lot of this come through by way of pantheism.

And it would be interesting to do this.

But you would be surprised to know how much pantheism as a worldview

influences, and is really kind of the major worldview that's being taught through the

majority of our movies.

In fact, at the school I teach at, Arlington Baptist University, in

my introduction to the Bible class, the very first lecture I have is on worldviews.

And when we get to pantheism, I just show them clips from movies and say, hey, this is what's

out there.

This is what you're seeing.

And so what happens is, now all of a sudden, they're starting to introduce these other religious ideas.

And the scary nature of this is that even if you're just playing with it,

you're opening yourself up to a demonic realm.

Now, one thing that we have to understand is that that Christians

cannot be possessed.

If you have the Holy Spirit residing in you, a demonic spirit cannot

come in.

Now, in the same breath, you can be oppressed.

And so I think it's important that we realize that just because we're saved doesn't mean that we have a freedom to run

with this.

In fact, even as a Christian who spent time studying the occult,

listen, I don't come at this lightly.

Whenever, especially as I was researching and learning about the occult, I spent a lot of time in prayer.

Probably the one I bathed in prayer the most was when I was digging into the Ouija board.

Not so much that I was scared to do it, but I was very careful in

how I was moving forward.

And I really wanted to make sure that I was walking into

this with it bathed in prayer and the protection of the Holy Spirit as I

walked into it.

And I was very thankful that during all my studies, nothing weird happened or anything like

that.

Of course, now that I'm a couple of years past, hey, it'd been kind of cool if something weird would have happened.

It would have given me some great stories.

But I'm okay with being a little bit boring.

I read enough crazy stories and scary stories in all my

research to it.

But we've got to avoid the temptation, though, to be able

to want to get what

God is offering us by taking a shortcut.

And as believers, if we have

a loved one who's a believer and they pass away, the hope that we

have, 1 Thessalonians 4, 13 through 17, that chapter

ends with, therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Well, what's that comfort?

That if you believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, we're going to

be reunited.

There's a time coming where the dead in Christ will rise first.

We will join them together.

You're going to get to see your loved one again.

It's a farewell and not a goodbye.

And you're going to get that opportunity to be able to have that conversation again

and to talk with them.

So listen, we always get in trouble when we try to shortcut God,

whether it's through money, sex, power, whatever the case may be.

We'll always get ourselves in the most trouble when we try to shortcut the good that God has for us.

And when it comes to being.

Reunited with our loved ones, it's the same thing.

Shortcutting God, I never thought of it that way, but I think a lot of us,

pointing finger at me, try to do things that, oh, I think

God would want me to do this.

It's a real temptation at all times.

You are anything but boring.

This has been very interesting.

And we have to take care of some business first, because otherwise I'll forget.

So if you could tell us where we can reach you, if your website, oh, I see your website

right there.

If there's any book you want to advertise or something that you write or anything that our audience and our

future audience, we get a lot of traffic on Bitchute, because

Christians and and conspiracy theorists, we all go to

Bitchute.

And so anyways, lots of people will be viewing this.

So tell us how we can reach you.

All right, well, let me do this.

I'm going to, I'm just going.

To throw up a slide here real quick, and I will put this information.

So as you saw before, our website is watchman .org.

Let's see here.

But we also have a podcast.

And you can text the word podcast.

I'm going to put the number up here to 50700.

I'm gonna put a couple other things up here too.

We if we talked about, you know what, I think it was before the recording started.

At the first Thursday of every month, with the exception of November, we have

the Atheist and Christian Book Club.

And we talk about all kinds of stuff, whether it be creation arguments for the existence

of God, the problem of evil seems to come up all the time.

Those are, those are some great places to, those are

some big topics that we talk about.

Listen, if you want to be a part of it, you can absolutely, absolutely do that.

It is completely free.

We don't charge to be part of the book club.

And it would be a blessing to have you around.

Of course, you know,.

We love having Christians there.

I'm going to go back to actually have to read a book, though.

Well, you know, sometimes you do, sometimes we'll pull YouTube videos.

And, and we'll do it that way.

And so you can, if you didn't get a chance to read the book, or, or something of that nature, you

can, you know, you can watch those videos and get caught up.

A couple things, we have a podcast, first Monday of every, or excuse me, on Monday,

every single Monday, we have a new podcast drop, we cover a lot of topics.

Probably this last year, we've been a little bit heavier on the, on the kind of the science side.

And we'll have, we'll have both sides of

the topic come on.

And so we, we try to, we try to give

everybody the opportunity to be able to think through the subjects, and, and

to kind of work through it and understand it.

But we also cover a lot of cult topics, too.

We've had kind of some of the who's who when it comes to Christian apologetics on there.

If you would like to be part of the Atheist and Christian Book Club, you can go to watchman .org slash zoom.

Then we also have, we also have profiles that we

put out six profiles every year.

And we've been doing this for, well, for almost 30 years now, it's kind of hard to imagine that.

Now, what profiles are, is they're four page scholarly quality articles

on cults, the occult, New Age spirituality, counterfeit

Christian groups, controversial doctrines and teachers, you know, big

players on the field, whether it be somebody like Lawrence Krauss, or Richard Dawkins.

And we've been doing this for over 25 years, so you can kind of do the math and think that that's got to be somewhere.

That's well over 100 profiles.

Okay, we're not quite, I don't think we're 230 yet, but we're pretty close to it.

And so we cover everything from acupuncture to Zoroastrianism.

And my favorite thing about the profiles is they're completely free, and because I'm cheap.

But listen, when I tell you they're free, I don't, I don't mean, give us your credit card, and then they'll

be free.

No, no, I mean, they're absolutely free, we'll email them to you, or we'll snail mail them to you, however you'd like to

receive them.

In fact, you can even text the word profile to 50700.

And you can get some of our past profiles.

Listen, I, it's, it's my favorite thing that we do as a ministry is the profile.

And I think it may be the best thing we do as a ministry.

And it is, it is completely free.

So.

Take advantage of it.

And that's at watchmen .org, subscribe, that's where they would get that.

Yes.

Or text profile to 50700.

Yes.

Awesome.

Yeah.

And so can y 'all see my screen by any chance?

Okay, yeah.

So yeah, what you see up there is exactly what you need.

And you can come and take part of it.

And we have other resources for sale there on our website.

And of course, you're always welcome to that.

But I want to make sure that I give you some tools in your toolbox.

Because if, if you only have one tool, and that's a hammer after a while, everything's going to look like a nail.

So I want to turn you on to these these items and make sure you take advantage of them.

Okay, because there's there's no reason not to.

And thank you very.

Much.

And and that's what this that's what this ministry is about.

First Peter 315, always be ready with a defense.

And and we do we do need those tools.

And just so I don't forget, we are Christian or excuse me, creation fellowship, Santee, I

am not good at this.

I like being behind the scenes.

But anyways, our ministry is creation fellowship, Santee.

We meet on Thursday nights at 630 Pacific 930. Eastern, you can email us

at creation, fellowship, Santee s a n t e

at gmail .com.

I run that mailbox, I do not spam you.

I send out one email a week.

And if we don't have a class, I don't send out an email.

So that is where you can reach us on Facebook, creation fellowship, we have a public page and a

private page.

And then we have three video platforms, rumble, bit shoot, and

YouTube.

And if you have any questions that you're going to ask that YouTube would find

not welcome, we ask that you ask them after we stop the recording.

So I'm going to go quickly to our first question, Brady, from Facebook.

And that is, is Halloween dealing with demons or the dead?

What?

How do you describe Halloween?

Yeah, we actually have a profile on Halloween, that would give you

a greater in depth answer than what I'm about to give.

But it goes back to all Hallows Eve, saw him in it.

And you see even across cultures, which, you know, Disney has has tapped into these past

couple of years with with their one going into the Mexican culture.

But yeah, it's it's an idea, this concept and belief, you find it

with the Druids as well, that there was this this day in this time where the

spirits for this, this short period of time, were allowed to walk the earth.

And so that's where you get.

That's where you get into the wearing costumes is so that you know that you could, in

essence, hide from or deceive these spirits.

Also, not so much a pumpkin, but they would carve potatoes with scary faces.

And that was to be put out there to scare away the spirits.

And so that that was the idea.

Now what we have here in America is really what we do with all spiritual holidays in this country.

And that's we, we commercialize them, and we fan fantasize them, you know,

so you know, with Christmas, we have Santa Claus with, with Easter

Resurrection, we have the Easter Bunny with with Halloween, it's a it's really

more about going out and getting candy and dressing up like some body or

something.

And so you.

So that's where that dressing up came from, though, that back in the day, you would dress up and try to

hide, you'd be hiding from the spirit, or you would be the spirit hiding from the people?

No, no, you were.

No, this was all meant to protect you and to keep you from from having any problems.

With the spirits.

And you do have a profile on that.

So a person could text or go to watchman .org.

Yes.

In fact, let me let me just mention that real quick.

So if you go to watchman .org, you can go over on the sidebar, you'll see a

little tab there, it says profiles, and you can click on that.

And we have a very generous sampling of past profiles.

And I know that one's on there.

Now, if you want the whole collection, we offer that hard copy for $60 or

$59.

Then, but we have a digital version, that's $25.

It's on sale right now for $25.

And the cool thing with the digital one is that it can go on your phone, your tablet, your computer, anyone who

lives in your house, in the same domicile as you, they can have it on their phone, their

computer, their tablet, and it's still just the $25.

And from from that, you can actually email or

print the profile from your phone, computer or tablet.

We made it digital.

Oh, golly, I guess about five, six years ago.

And I it's, it's so cool, because when I was in the pastorate, people would say,

Hey, what do you know about this or that?

And I go, man, I got a profile on that.

Then if we were at church, it was great.

But then when I was a church planner, I didn't carry my big old giant three read notebook that's now almost 600 pages

with me.

And so now I get it on my phone.

And so now if somebody asked me about a profile, hang on just a minute, and a couple taps, boom,

here, type in your email address, or you can actually text it to somebody.

That's a that's a new feature that we put out a couple years ago was so now Hey, yeah, here, I'll

text it to you.

Oh, man, that's fabulous.

And it texts them a PDF of the profile.

And so so yeah, we but the Halloween one is definitely one of the one of the free

samples, we try to make sure that the most popular ones are, are some of the free ones.

There on the website.

Okay, and I just want to clarify for the audience profile that he's speaking of is description

of the topic that we're talking about any topic on the occult or, or whatever.

So you can get those profiles.

Now, one of our regulars, alpha rat on the screen, but his name is Jeff.

And he says he never goes for the medium, he only goes for the large.

And but he has a short testimony.

Is that correct, Jeff that you want to give and you want to give it on the recording?

Yeah.

All right.

I just wanted to share this because anybody who might be dealing with this might need to know.

Brady, I really appreciate your discussion.

And I especially think that was well said what you said about never tried to

shortcut God because there was a point in my life when I did just that.

I was raised as a Lutheran, and I got disappointed with the Lutheran

church because they only the the church that I went to only covered maybe

15 of the Bible.

We got the gospel, but we didn't get any foundation for it.

And I started struggling with questions.

And I eventually I just I left the church because of that.

And I thought I could have a relationship with God on my own.

And what happened was, at some point, I bought a set of tarot

cards.

And I thought they were, I thought they were fun.

And I started dabbling in it.

And I started playing with that kind of stuff.

And over the years, things got, I

don't know, my life just started going south.

And at some point, somebody came into my life and asked me, Do you know God?

And I kind of had to look at him and say, Well, I think so, but I'm not really sure.

And he started interacting with me on spiritual things in a Christian way.

And at some point, I got very convicted about something that that was

happening in my life.

I don't know if it was something he said, or what it was, but I got convicted.

And I went and I took my tarot cards and all my other cultic stuff.

And I took my blowtorch and I burned it all.

Yeah, they did that in the Bible.

Yeah.

Well, this is serious, because after I did that, for a few minutes, I felt

really good.

I thought, Well, I did something spiritually right for a change.

And I thought God would honor me for that.

But then I went back into the house, and I tripped on my shoelace, sat down

and tied it.

And there was the doorbell rang, I went to the door, there was nobody there.

The phone rang, I answered it, there was nobody there.

I walked to the kitchen, and I tripped on the same shoelace again, having just tied it.

And that went on several times.

The doorbell rang again, nobody there.

The phone rang again, nobody there.

And I'm thinking, This is really weird.

But I thought, Okay, I'm just going to settle down, I'm going to eat something.

And in those days, I would take a little bit of frozen chicken and put it in my I had a little

toaster oven.

I think you remember these little things?

Oh, yeah.

You know, this is before microwaves.

But I would take a couple pieces of chicken and put it in there.

And it would be 30, you know, 15 minutes, and I flip it over.

And 15 minutes later, I'd be done.

Well, I went back to it 10 minutes after I put it in there.

And it was scorched.

It was black, scorched.

And I pulled it out, and it was still frozen in the center.

And I'm thinking, This is just too crazy.

And then I threw it away.

And then I was walking back in the living room, and I tripped on my shoelace again.

Oh, wow.

But well, here's here's what I did.

I called this this friend of mine who who was helping me through the spiritual things.

And he wasn't home.

But I left a message on his answering machine.

And I said, I don't care what time of day or night you get in, but please call me as soon as you get home.

And I put the phone by my bed and I crawled in under the covers.

This is like two in the afternoon.

But it was this is what was going on.

So I just stayed under the covers.

I prayed a lot.

And I read my Bible.

And eventually I just fell asleep.

But my friend called me faithfully at about midnight that night.

And he says, I got your message.

What's going on?

And I told him what I did.

I told him what was going on.

And he just says, OK, we're going to pray about this.

And he quoted me some scriptures.

And he says, this is you did the right thing.

But you need to know that God is on your side and God is more powerful than these demons.

They don't have a place in your life.

So that was profound.

After that, I had a perfect peace and it was it was awesome.

And I just wanted to share that.

But I also wanted to say that periodically in the course of my life,

I still have events where I know I'm being hounded by demons.

It's like once you open that door, if you don't shoot it all the way, they will find a way in and they will

pester you.

To no end.

Yeah.

So you get the victory over that.

And that's why we have Brady tonight and explaining to us why everybody knows somebody.

I used to do paranormal research.

My aunt took me to Edgar Cayce Dream Center.

Really?

Yeah.

We got a profile on him.

Yeah, I know.

And it I saw things as a child in my mind that kids shouldn't

be seeing.

And so this, you know, it's, this has been in my past.

Maybe that's why I'm so fascinated by it.

I'm not going to give any big confessions or anything.

But this is real.

And we need people like you explaining what's going on.

Because sometimes, you know, sometimes our flesh brings us into a lot of things, okay, we've

got a lot of bad luck, because our flesh is, you know, fleshy.

But there are our spirits that you can attract, just like Jeff said.

And so I think...

Okay, because I've got other people...

I know we're running out of time here.

But I just wanted to put a plug in for Carl Payne's book.

It's called Spiritual Warfare.

It's by Carl Payne, C -A -R -L -P -A -Y -N -E.

I just read that a couple of months ago.

And that is really profound.

If somebody is dealing with spiritual problems, this will give you victory.

Jeff, thank you so much for sharing your testimony and telling us about that.

Because you're hitting on the important thing.

And that's, we're all better off not to open the door to begin.

With.

And so very good.

All right.

I know you got more questions.

Oh, yes.

I'm reading through them.

I've got some comments.

Let's do it this way, because I don't have my glasses on and I can't find them.

If anybody has a question, unmute and go ahead and let's ask Brady.

And let's wrap this up in about 10 minutes.

Okay.

Go.

Diane, did you have a question?

Some people might not want to be recorded, though.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Let's stop recording.

And thank you, Joyce.

Terri usually does this.

Terri's been just, she's a good announcer.

And she's good with, I like to send emails.

And that's what I like to do.

So Terri, if you want to go ahead and stop live stream, I will stop recording and then we can

be a little more free in our speech.