AD Robles: Christian Nationalism and the White Nazi Influence?

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This guy, he's originally from New Hampshire. He's a father of four sons and husband to Brittany.

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Presbyterian by confession, but member of a local Baptist church. We might have to touch on that because I was on that same thing too.

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He's also owner of a non -woke staffing and recruiting business. I love it. You can find him on YouTube at AD Robles and his self -titled podcast on the

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Fight, Laugh, Feast Network. He's the agent provocateur of social media. It's Mr.

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AD Robles. How are you, sir? I am well. Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm glad to be here.

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Well, we're glad to have you. Listen, we wanted to have you on because you have a large following both on social media and with your podcast.

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You speak the truth. You talk about things that a lot of people don't want to talk about, or if they do,

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Christians shy away from because it's touchy subjects. And we've been talking, rolling this around in the podcast with different people.

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We had a few people on about a year ago talking about Christian nationalism, theonomy, things like that.

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But they didn't really get into maybe what we wanted to get to on the podcast. They were great guests.

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Don't get me wrong. But I wanted to talk to you about that because you seem to be a leading proponent in that.

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You kind of have your thought. Well, I mean, just you have your thumb kind of to the pulse of what's going on there.

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And it's only because you're getting attacked every 15 seconds on social media. So, you know, when people are attacking you,

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I think that's that's a good sign of that. You're in the pulse of what's going on there. But for our listeners that don't know you because it's first time on the podcast, can you just give us a little bio of yourself?

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I know I announced a little bit there, but tell us a little bit about yourself before we get into it. So I, you know, listen,

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I am no expert on Christian nationalism, but I have been talking a lot about it. The reason why people know who

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I am is because I started talking about the woke church stuff right at the very beginning.

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You know, like there was that MLK 50 conference. There was that T4G conference when everyone kind of came out as super woke.

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And I started doing a little bit of content just, you know, just to kind of almost like just to gather my own thoughts about it.

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To be honest, I didn't expect anyone to care except for my mom, maybe. You know, but the thing was that since very few people were talking about at the time, there were a few people, but very few were.

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I, some of it took off, you know what I mean? And so I was kind of known as sort of like the woke, the anti -woke church proponent.

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I would review videos and stuff like that. And kind of as the years went on, I've like, that's still kind of my bread and butter.

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That's still what I like to do the most. But you know, when COVID happened, I started talking about the government and justice and all of these topics are sort of related.

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And so that's what I do. You know, I do it on the Fight Laugh Feast Network. You mentioned the podcast, of course. I love being a part of that network.

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It's awesome. You know, I do a lot of antagonistic kind of stuff on Twitter, but my videos are not like that always.

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It's mostly trying to be as helpful as I can be, trying to be as straightforward as I can be, talking about woke church, government, things like that.

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Yeah. So I was just talking to a mutual friend a few days ago. I think you might know him,

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Joel Webben. And you came up and we just said, you know, sometimes you always just have these guys that are front runners in a certain subject that then allow everyone else a couple of years later, maybe six, eight months later to then come out and go, okay, now

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I'm kind of, now that the pioneer, the trailblazer has broken this ground, I can come in and go, see,

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I was this way the whole time. And I'm not trying to demean anyone that has a certain position on that, but I've seen it happen time and time again within the church to where it does take a certain person to kind of be out there, you know, trailblazer, so to speak, plod the ground, break it up and go, look, we have to be talking about these things.

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And you were talking about the woke church years and years ago. And now it seems to be all these kind of more moderate leaders come out and go, oh yeah, that's we, we can't have that.

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And it goes very much like a body talking about cultural Marxism eight years ago.

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And then two years ago it was like, oh yeah, where's this been our whole life? It's like, well, he's been talking about it for almost a decade.

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So we need those types of people. And sometimes you have to cut through and you can tell me if you disagree with this, but sometimes

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I feel you have to cut through with a little bit of a cutting tone. It can be a little, you know, antagonizing,

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I guess you would say. I think sometimes Christians forget that there was a prophet called Elijah that would say, hey, maybe your

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God's sitting on the toilet. Maybe you need to cut yourself a little deeper and yell a little louder, and then maybe your

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God will answer you. And he's using a tone there of indignant righteousness, I would say. So I would say you're kind in that category in my mind.

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Now, maybe you don't think so, but that's where I see it. I didn't start out that way. And honestly, like I was very uncomfortable with that, you know, but believe it or not,

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I don't like conflict. You know, I'm like everybody. I'm a little uncomfortable with it.

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You know, my blood pressure goes up and I'm just not quite so sure of myself. No, I mean, some people like getting into fights, but most people don't, right?

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But the difference is that over time, I kind of realized that I do have the ability to live in that discomfort.

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And so I don't want to fight, but I will fight. You know what I mean? And so I've kind of just kind of embraced that role.

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You used the example of Elijah. That's a great example. My favorite is Nehemiah and Ezra because they operated at the same time.

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They were kind of dealing with the same issues, but they took totally different approaches and God commends them both.

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And Nehemiah is just such a beast. Like he's a layman like myself. I recently found that out. I didn't realize that.

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I thought he, I assumed he was a prophet or something. He wasn't, he was just a layman. And he gets to business.

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You know what I mean? He's just, he's a barbarian. And you know, some people need that approach.

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And that's the thing. Like there's a lot of people that hate my approach and it's not their cup of tea and that's totally fine.

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I don't have any problem with people like that because for every person that can't deal with my approach they're going to be helped by someone who's more studious and more

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Ezra and more, you know, I'm a priestly scholar kind of thing. But the thing is though, there are a lot of people that do need to be smacked in the mouth from time to time.

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And so if I have to be like that, sometimes I'll be that way. Yeah, no, absolutely.

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So let's get into kind of what we wanted to talk about here because I want to get your opinion on something.

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I'm not an expert or, and I'm not saying you are either but I'm not as well -versed as I'd like to be.

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Don't put that evil on me, man. Okay, I'm not putting that evil on you. Sorry, that's setting the expectation too high. But I'm not as well -versed in the whole

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Christian national movement as much as I would like to be. I've always just kind of thought of myself as a general equity theonomist, right?

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Westminster kind of, and left it there. I see the problem and maybe you agree or disagree. But first of all, the problem is we have like nine definitions of what

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Christian nationalism is, it feels like. It feels like I got like 10 streams. Everyone's in a different stream.

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What do you say the definition, what is your definition? Or what do you think, I guess the question is what's the most popular definition right now?

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And that could even depend on what group is pushing it, right? Like what is the definition of Christian nationalism in your mind?

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So full disclosure, it's based on what you just said. Probably you and I would see eye to eye on most things.

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For a long time, I just was content calling myself a theonomist and I didn't really care.

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A lot of people didn't know that about me because of my prior content. I'm not like one to use complex theological terms or even simple theological terms.

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I don't really use the terms. It's not because I'm hiding from them. It's just not, that's not how I communicate, right?

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So a lot of people, when they found out I was a theonomist, that day I lost a lot of subscribers because that's heresy and they know it, even though everything

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I said they agreed with when they didn't know I was a theonomist, right? So that's what I am. I'm a theonomist.

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I make no bones about it. I don't care. You know what I mean? Christian nationalism, so a lot of people are pointing out the fact that there's really no clear definition and all of this kind of thing.

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And they point to that as potentially a weakness. And I think that if you stay there, if there's no eventual sort of statement that we can all kind of sign up on, then yeah,

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I think that is a negative. But for right now, I think it's a positive. Right now, as far as I see it,

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Christian nationalism is a way to have a bigger tent for the ideas that you and me as theonomists would probably agree with.

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We believe, and I'm not going to speak for you, but I would assume you believe that the civil governing authority is a servant of God and they should be self -consciously trying to serve

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God the way God has told them that they're supposed to be serving him, right? It's God's rules. It's not theirs.

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And so that doesn't mean you take Leviticus and turn it into the Constitution, but it does mean that you should look to Leviticus to figure out how we should be ruling and reigning and which of those laws can we bring into our modern context?

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Which ones need to stay there? All that kind of stuff, these are the conversations that a good, righteous, just civil governing authority should be having.

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I don't think necessarily all Christian nationals believe that, but they do believe a form of that, at least at a basic level, that it would be a good thing for a government to be

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Christian. And so you're going to find all kinds of nuance there and differences, but bare bones, we want to have an explicitly, self -consciously

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Christian government that's not like the way

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Joe Biden's a Catholic who's never done a Catholic thing in his life after age 40, probably. That's not what we're talking about, but someone who's every single day like, what would

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God have me do today? Yeah, no, absolutely. And the issue

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I have here, and I'm going to put a theory out there or what I think I've seen, and you tell me what you think, and it irritates me to no end because I see the

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Western Christian church do this continuously, is we had a hot -button issue or a hot -button word like Christian nationalism introduced, a book written, a couple books written, everyone's talking about it, and instantly the pagan and secular circles come in and the far right does something to it, the far left does something to it and starts to redefine it, attaches certain things to it, and then the church, instead of being proactive, is reactionary and now fighting among itself, and we're allowing the secular world to define the term

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Christian nationalism. You have the, you know, oh, it's all neo -Nazis on the far right, that's what

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Christian nationalism is, and then on the left, oh, Christian nationalism is going to be a theocracy and it's fascism and all these things, and the church just goes, or the church leaders, then infights with itself to try to pull back that definition and just saying something like you said and going, no, that's not the definition at all, and once again, we're playing defense instead of offense, and it's very irritating, and I've seen it happen in this

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Christian nationalism space as well, too, to where secular groups are wanting to define it, to almost accuse believers of, well, this is what you really mean by this.

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Is that something you're seeing, too? So this is, I don't know the whole timeline of this because this is not really, that's why

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I say I'm not an expert because I don't study the exact timelines here, but as far as I remember, it started as a pejorative.

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It started as a pejorative from the secular team, and I don't mean that the term itself was invented by them, but when we started hearing about it, everybody started hearing about it, it was instantly a pejorative, and it was very clear to me from the beginning that any attempt to bring your faith into the government in any way, even if it's as basic as, look, we should ban abortion because the

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Lord says you shouldn't murder, and the Lord looks at that fetus and declares it a life, and it's got its own personality,

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I mean, science even says so, and because God does not allow for murder with impunity, that's why we should ban it.

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That would be called Christian nationalism, of course, and so I instantly knew that this is the thing, so anything a

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Christian does that's self -consciously Christian in government will be called it, and let's just break up this term real quick, they say this is this horrible thing, they think it's

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Nazis, whatever, who knows what they were saying in the beginning, but you know, Christian's good, nationalism's good, this is a good term,

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I mean, they can say whatever they want, let's use this one, because I think it's not,

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I think before long most people will recognize that Christian nationalism, it doesn't really mean that to the pagans, they just are opposed to Christianity, they're going to drop the nationalism and just be opposed to the

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Christianity part, and they already are, they're already opposed, that's where they're at, so I think it's been a pejorative since we started talking about it, but I think it's a stupid pejorative, because the thing itself is actually a good thing that they're against, and I think we can take that term, and we can use this to our advantage, because lots of people

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I think prefer the idea of a Christian society as opposed to the insanity that we currently have.

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And it's weird, because up until maybe 10 years ago, 12 years ago, growing up in the 80s,

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I would hear all the time when I would watch very little TV, I was one of those legalistic 80s

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Christians, right, like two hours of TV a week and everything was from Satan, but anyway, we would watch things like a president's speech or something like that, and I would hear presidents and senators, this is a

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Christian nation, this is a Christian, now, I haven't heard of that much in the last 15 years, even Obama and Trump and those things, but we were always saying this is a

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Christian nation, built on Christian, right, so isn't Christian nationalism just kind of flipping that and saying, yeah, we're a

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Christian nation, and two, I would say, boy, if you get into the Bill of Rights and to the Constitution and we actually followed those documents, okay,

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I'm not talking about what we do now in politics and in the judicial branch and in the legislative branch, you'd be pretty darn close, and if you look at the founding fathers' writings, you'd be pretty darn close to a model of Christian nationalism, there'd be some exceptions there that we'd have to tweak, but boy, when this country was founded,

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I would say we were pretty close, and now we've skewed very far off from that, so maybe it's been a point.

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It hasn't worked out for us right so far, because when Barack Obama says, God bless

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America, or if Bill Clinton or George Bush or whoever says this is a Christian nation, obviously they didn't rule that way, they didn't reign that way, you know what

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I mean? Because they were at the helm as myriads and myriads of babies were just offed for no reason.

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You can say that all you want, but obviously most people recognize that was pretend.

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The thing was, though, that when it was pretend, there was some cover for a lot of the evil that was going on, right?

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Well, we're still a Christian nation, and they're still pretending. Barack Obama, most people forget this, but Barack Obama was still pretending to know what marriage was when he was elected.

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He ran that way. But the mask is off now.

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It's completely off. Everyone can see the demons on the inside now. I'll say this.

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One thing I wanted to mention. I have a family member who's an unbeliever, right?

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Solid head on his shoulders, but an unbeliever. Not the kind of guy that when you see him, he's just very gruff, and you would not expect him to say what he said the last time we had

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Thanksgiving together. What he said was that he was talking about the trannies and all of this kind of thing. And he's like, well, you know, you take prayer out of school, and this is what happens.

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And I'm like, who are you? What are you talking about? I agree,

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I mean, of course, but where did you get that? And the thing is, this is what people on the work sites, the construction sites, they're talking about this kind of thing.

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They're not even Christians. I mean, they grew up in a church, probably, but they don't love the Lord, but even they can recognize that something has gone severely wrong.

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If they were king for the day, even as they're not Christian, they'd be like, you know, maybe we should put prayer back in church, because they much prefer that, even though they don't like that, they much prefer that than to having to worry that their kid's teacher is going to convince them to cut their penis off.

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No, absolutely. It's like, the mask is totally off now, and I think that we have an opportunity, not to turn the clock back, but to stop pretending.

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To actually consider what we should do according to God's rules, according to His reality.

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Yeah, I'm kind of wondering if that even puts us maybe in comparison to a righteous, holy, and just God who says,

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I'd rather you be hot nor cold instead of lukewarm. It always bothered me growing up, the lip service we would give

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God. God bless this nation. I remember seeing a clip of George Bush, and it was a couple years after 9 -11, and it's panned in real close, and he says, we're going to hunt down those terrorists, we're going to kill every one of them, we'll bomb them until I don't care who it is, and then it pans out, and he's on a golf course, and he goes,

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God bless America, now watch this drive. And then he just hits his golf ball, and you go, this is how we're using

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God bless America, and there was many examples, like you said, with Obama, too. But we were giving lip service. I'm wondering if we're moving into this position now to where at least we know the righteous and the wicked.

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Like you said, there's nothing left. I mean, even the guy on the construction site goes,

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I don't know anything about Christianity, but I know back even in Israel, the Samaritans would say, what's going on over there in Israel?

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They seem to be prospering pretty well. Well, they had a moral code that God had given them. Even that blesses the wicked,

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Ecclesiastes says, even the righteous moral law of God can bless the wicked when living in a country obeying God.

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So, yeah, maybe we're to that point now to where at least we're in a position in this country where we go, yeah, we hate

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Christianity, reject everything about God. Maybe that's when we can see reformation and revival, if I can use that term, revival.

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I don't know, people get weird even when I say revival now. Let me say this, too, and I think that a lot of times people will hear this and they'll know that I'm a theonomist, they'll know you're a theonomist, and they're like, well, it's just not realistic.

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I mean, come on, it's not doable, you're LARPing, you're not going to ever have a situation where,

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I don't know where you stand about prisons, but you bring back indentured servitude and you start banning adultery.

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We're never going to get that. It's just LARPing. You're just pretending you can do this. And here's the thing, guys,

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I'm a theonomist, I've got a lot of problems with the law out there. I have a lot of problems. However, a lot of what

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I believe, it's just not realistic in my lifetime to see a Sabbath law come back to New Hampshire, for example.

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Maybe there are some areas in the country where Sabbath laws maybe still exist or potentially could exist again, but I'm not worried so much about Sabbath laws.

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I'm worried about really basic stuff, because right now the challenges that God has given to us to overcome and to defeat, they're simple.

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They're simple things like, should you be able to kill a baby with impunity? That's simple.

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And we can make effort. We can make progress on that issue. In fact, we have made progress on that issue.

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We can make a lot more progress, especially in localities that have a lot of Christians, right? Maybe not, you know, maybe we can't, maybe we can't realistically ban abortion in the entire country, but you could maybe in Florida.

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You could maybe in, you know, in some of these other places in the Bible Belt, so we should do that. The other one is this gender, the

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LGBT stuff. These are basic things. These are basic issues that we have, you know, to face here, and a lot of us on the

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Christian nationalist side have noticed that there's really not that many gays out there. There's really not that many trannies out there.

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But somehow, we're all under tranny law now. So, obviously, you don't need a huge number of real

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Christians to actually implement Christian law. You just need a minority of a very committed, savvy, and just ruthless

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Christians that are going to be ruthlessly Christian no matter where they are, no matter what their job is. Whether they're making movies, or they're at the civil governing authority, to all work together to do this.

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We can do this kind of stuff. You don't need 80, you don't, a lot of people think you need to convert everybody to have a Christian nation. You don't.

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You don't. You don't need anything close to that. This is kind of off the wall here, but I had this thought a few days, well, actually a few months ago, and it came back in my mind a few days ago.

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If you go back even 25 years, once again, I'll say in my lifetime growing up, I remember when most stores were closed on Sunday.

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Walmart wasn't even open on Sundays until I think maybe the late 90s, right? It was a big deal.

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What? They're going to seven days a week. So, we had this thing where we didn't have a law, a Sabbath law that said, hey, you can't be open, you can't work, can't do these things.

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But for the first 210 years or 190 years of the country's founding, we just kind of had this idea of the

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Sabbath is some type of holy day. We shouldn't do business. We shouldn't run the stock market, things like that.

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But it wasn't a law. It was just kind of, as Christians, we kind of just assumed that would be around forever.

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It was a consensus. So, what was that all about? One, how did we kind of have this consensus in the secular world or was it just because we were more

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Christian leaning, the business leaders and customers and clients were, and we've gotten away from that.

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And is that something we go back to? Is that something you would like to see? Hey, we need to institute a Sabbath law because the pendulum has swung so far the other way.

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Now, maybe we do have to make it a law. That's the way my mind's thinking. I'm wondering what is that?

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Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any problem with that at all. If I was king for five minutes, which that's how long my reign would last because I'd be probably hung right away.

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But yeah, I would institute Sabbath laws. Basically, I would institute any law to make it as easy and as encouraged as many people as possible to set aside some time to honor the

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Lord. And so, if I was the mayor of New York, I don't know if you guys know this, but when

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I left New York not that long ago, we're talking eight years ago or something, you couldn't buy alcohol on Sunday.

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You could go to bars, but you couldn't buy it at the store, right? If I was mayor of New York, I'd institute a citywide

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Sabbath. Obviously, I'm not closing hospitals or anything dumb like that, but you know what

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I'm saying? I would do it. And it's like, look, we're going to set aside some time to honor the Lord. If you don't want to honor the Lord, then don't do it.

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But the city's going to do it. And I think that that encourages people to take a break and to take some time and to think about the

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Lord and to go to church and to do these things. But, you know, listen, to me, that kind of stuff, we can table that stuff for as long as it takes.

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Like I said, right now, we've got some simple, simple issues that we can all work together and agree on.

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Whether you call yourself a Christian nationalist or not, if you're a Christian and you're involved in politics, I would assume you would want abortion to be outlawed and criminalized and for the force of law to be brought against especially the more excessive parts of the

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LGBT movement. I think it can be brought against the entire movement. But some of the more excessive ones, we all agree like the grooming kids and the perversion in the streets and stuff like that.

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Those are the basic things. There's like basic stuff right now, guys, that Christian nationalists are focused on.

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I mean, obviously we've got a laundry list of things, but the basic stuff right now, we can all agree.

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Full disclosure, I'm what I would say an optimistic Amill, which would probably put me

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I lean that way, which would probably put me really close to Postmill, honestly. I'll get there one day.

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With that being said, the thing that I see is the longer that the secular society pushes something, the more we give in as a

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Western Christian church, right? 15, 20 years ago, absolutely not. Nuclear family.

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You can't have homosexuality. 10, 15 years goes by. Now you have preachers from the pulpit.

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Hey, 15 -minute apology before you say anything. We can't judge, right? Same thing with the trans thing.

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We're in the middle of that right now. Abortion with pro -life. Now, if you're an abolitionist, you talk to most of the pro -life.

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And look, I have a lot of experience going to my state legislator. I'm a legislative liaison. I'm a locally elected official. I've introduced bills in the committee.

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They don't go to the floor with Republicans who are pro -life. They don't want an abolition bill. They would rather have an 8 -week or 15 - week bill, which is what's going on in Florida right now.

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So you see where we get used to some of these secular ideas, and then you see, and I would say, the more moderate and woke

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Christianity churches, and maybe not even true believers, accept it and kind of roll with it.

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And I'm wondering if 10 years from now, we don't see people from the pulpit saying, you know, you have to accept trans.

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I mean, if someone's transitioning and they're younger, I'm already seeing the roots of that.

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There's the sprouts of that in certain progressive churches. I'm hoping in 10 years, I don't see that in the more moderate and conservative churches.

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But that feels, even though I'm optimistic about the future, it feels like that's the trend that we have in this church.

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So it's like, in my mind, how do we combat that? Like you're saying, oh, we can get together on these two or three things.

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I don't know. I've talked to a lot of conservative, Republican, pro -life people that want nothing to do with abolition.

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Oh, you can't have criminal charges for the woman or for the man that convinces. And you go, well, is abortion murder or not?

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And it takes a long conversation to get them back to get them in the mindset of, well, if it's murder, then there has to be equal protection under the law.

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I'm just taking that one subject. No, it's a good point. I think it's a good point. It's an uphill battle,

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I think. I think it is, but I think it's more of a... I'm not saying you're wrong, because I think there's a lot of people that fit that exact profile.

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I would say that the percentages of people in leadership that are visible, that are kind of involved at the legislature, they're involved with the think tanks like the

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ERLC or even just our institutions that we would consider more conservative. They're more like that.

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The person in the pew, though, can be one. The person in the pew gets it. You know what

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I mean? I just said this the other day on Twitter that the G3 sort of approach against Christian nationalism, where somehow a

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Christian being nation is not something we should... A nation being Christian is not something we should strive for. That's not going to sell well with the guy in the pew who's worried about his kid's teacher convincing him to become trans.

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That's not going to compute with them. The thing is, even if you agree with their perspective, you have to recognize that for the standard person, the average

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Joe six -pack believer, that's going to be a hard sell. I think that...

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This is the trick, guys. I personally believe our side of this debate is gaining a lot of ground.

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I hate to say winning and losing, because I have no idea, but I think we're gaining a lot of ground. We're gaining a hearing because regular

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Joes don't understand what the heck they're talking about when it's like, well, you know,

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I mean, abortion's murder, but of course traditionally pro -lifers never punish the mother, but they do understand when a guy like me in a

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Mets hat says if it's murder, then the woman's the one paying for it. That's murder for hire.

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That makes sense to them. The only person it doesn't make sense to is an egghead.

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Is an egghead who went to seminary, somehow their brains fell out to not get that one. Or the president of the

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SBC. If you become the president of the SBC, somehow that argument doesn't make sense to you. But to the average person, and this is the thing, guys, this is the masses of people, they're ready for something like this because they're fed up.

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There's no virtue in losing. God doesn't send his people out to not kick down the gates of hell.

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You know what I mean? He doesn't do that. He's at the right hand of the father, and all the enemies are gonna be put under his feet, and the last enemy, of course, we know is death, but there's a whole litany of enemies prior to that that he's going to gain ground with.

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I think you're right. It's an uphill battle because they have big microphones, and we have smaller microphones, but we're gaining ground.

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There's just no question about it because our arguments are simple. Everyone can understand them.

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They resonate biblically with so many people, and what ends up happening is we make these arguments, and then we get the best thing that the opponents can do is to argue about our tone, or maybe we shouldn't say it that way.

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And the guy on the construction side's like, I don't know. I mean, AD kind of sounds like a sissy to me.

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I mean, you can hear the guys that I work with. You know what I mean? They don't get it. So I don't mean that to say that obviously the guy in the pew is right and the egghead

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Christians are wrong. What I do mean to say is that it is an uphill battle, but it's definitely a winnable one.

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It's a winnable one. No, I like that. All right. One more question. We'll wrap this up, and then we'll do our

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Fresh 10 segment, which you don't know about, and we hope you stick around for it. So you said if I was king for a day.

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Very quickly then, I would say if you were king for the day, let's go back to that example. What are you doing with the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

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Where are you on that span inside of your theological framework on things like the First, Second, Third Amendment, right to privacy, right to bear arms, freedom of religion?

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Would you dismantle that, tweak it, keep it close to the same? What do you think in there, and how does it align with your theology?

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So just to answer correctly, what I would really do if I was king for the day,

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I would obviously be thinking about where we're at right now and what good

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I could actually do, right? There's a very famous Doug Wilson thing that he said that I've never forgotten, but it's a point where he became convinced in himself as the pastor that it was a sin to not provide wine for communion, because he was used to the grape juice, just like every

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Baptist, right? But he didn't change that overnight, and so he would be there at communion, and he would pray for the communion, and he'd give his congregation grape juice, and he'd pray to God, God, sorry for this sin

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I'm about to do, and he wouldn't say that out loud, he'd say it to himself, because he thought it was a sin, but he didn't change it right away, and the reason he didn't change it right away is because he thought that it would do more damage to his people to try to run roughshod over them when they're not expecting it without some serious groundwork being laid.

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So I wouldn't change the Constitution overnight for that reason. If I had my druthers, though,

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I would change the Constitution, definitely. I would make it overtly Christian. We would have to put something about Jesus Christ in there.

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If you look at a lot of state constitutions, they did do that. They did make overt, even

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Vermont, I don't know if they changed it yet, but the most pagan state that we have right now specifically references the

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Lord. You know what I mean? And I would do that for the Constitution. I'd want it to be explicitly Christian.

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I think that as far as, again, keep it in mind like doing the right thing for the time.

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I don't think that non -Christians should be allowed to be elected into office. I do not. I don't think that you should have a test as far as what if they're

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Baptist, Presbyterian, or something like that, but I don't think that we should make any bones about it.

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Like, if you're an atheist, you can't be in the legislature. If you're a Muslim, you could live here and you could privately honor what you worship, which is a demon, but you can't do that in the halls of our legislature.

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Like, you can't serve your demons in your job in government because you won't have a job in government.

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Go ahead. I was just going to say, so Reform Baptists can only raise to the level of State House.

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Only Presbyterians in the Congress? Sorry. Go ahead.

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You were talking seriously. I made a dumb joke. No, no, no, no, no. It's fine. It's fine. Because obviously, people will think about that, too.

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Like, oh, eventually you're going to... You know what? Here's what I say about that kind of stuff. Let's cross that bridge when we get there.

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I think the more nuanced stuff, we could talk about it later. Right now, we're still figuring out if it's okay to kill babies or not.

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Like, I don't think we necessarily need to hash out every detail to decide on that one. You know what

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I mean? Right. Bigger fish to fry. There we go. We got bigger fish to fry right now. So that's not the challenge that God has put before us today.

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Another thing about Christian nationalism, and I'll say this real quick because I know I'm kind of taking over the conversation, but...

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No, that's why you're here. One thing I've seen with Christian nationalists is a willingness to face things as they are.

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Reality. Like, what we have right now. Like, would it be great if we could have this wonderful republic where everyone is just voting as a

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Christian and you don't have to have any like, you know, you don't have to, you know... Listen.

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That's not the hand we've been dealt. We've been dealt a hand where people in our legislatures, you know, are totally fine with making a law to take your children away, to mutilate them against your consent.

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Like, we're not dealing with normal circumstances. These are demons. Right? And so it's like, well, what do you think?

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They should do an executive order to end, you know, whatever it is? Maybe. If that's what it takes, that's what it takes.

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You know what? Ideally, you shouldn't pull people's beards out. But Nehemiah did that. And got approved of it.

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You know what I mean? Ideally, you shouldn't have to do that. Right? You shouldn't beat your brethren for intermarrying with pagans.

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You shouldn't do that, ideally. But, you know what? It needed to happen, and Nehemiah was ready to go.

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And I'm sure... I feel like a kindred spirit with Nehemiah. I'm not gonna lie. He's like praying to God, and he's like, all these things that you would want to hide from people, he's like saying,

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God, please remember me. Remember that time when I pulled their beards out and I beat them?

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Remember me favorably. And like, I'm probably reading too much into this, but I sense a sort of like, a weird uncomfortability there.

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He's like, I did that for you, so please give me the favorable. You know what I mean? Maybe he shouldn't have done that.

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You know what I mean? So, I don't remember what we're talking about there, but I think like, it's a good point, like the

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Baptist -Presbyterian thing. Those are issues that eventually need to be hashed out and talked about, and maybe we'd have like a nation where there's like states that are overtly

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Baptistic or whatever. I don't know what it would look like. But right now, we're dealing with such basics.

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Like, you've heard the story of the guy whose trans surgery went bad, and he died on the table.

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It's like, we don't have to figure out what denomination is going to be the best one in 30 years.

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Like, we've got bigger fish to fry right now. No, absolutely. All right, all good stuff, and I know it's very serious stuff, so we're going to lighten it up a little bit.

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We do a little segment here called Fresh 10, where we ask you 10 rapid -fire questions to get to know you a little bit more, so our audience can get to know you.

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Nothing really theological. Do you want to stick around for about five more minutes and play it? Yes, but is the first question, are you a white supremacist?

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Oh, no, but I can add that if you want. The answer is no. The answer is no. So, okay, 11 questions.

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The first one, are you a white supremacist? It's not, but this is A .D. Robles with Fresh 10. Let's go. Can we take that one more time?

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All right, we asked some of our guests, the ones that we are interested in. We're interested in all of our guests, but sometimes I like to ask these questions just to see where they're at.

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Question number one, what city and state did you grow up in, and how did it affect your childhood? Windsor, Connecticut, and I got to know lots of liberals over a long period of time, and that's affected me for the rest of my life.

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I love it. Question number two, when playing Monopoly, what is your favorite property to own and why? Are you a Boardwalk Park Place guy, or do you go for those slums?

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I know I shouldn't, but I go for the Boardwalk Park Place. All right.

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Question number three, you're in the DeLorean, the flux capacitor is flexing.

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Are you going back in time to visit your great -great -great -great -grandfather, or are you going forward in time to visit your great -great - great -great -grandchildren?

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Forward. Going forward, like a good postmill. I like it. Question number four, who is your favorite actor, dead or alive?

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Probably Denzel Washington. I get that a lot on here. That's crazy. He's awesome. You're my third or fourth person.

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Yeah, people love him. He's totally awesome. Question number five, top three bands or music albums that have influenced your life the most?

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Smashing Pumpkins, um, I don't know. There's a Puerto Rican heavy metal band called

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Puya. Puya, huh? Puya, yeah. And I also really like recently, this has influenced my life.

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I'm cheating, but recently I've been really into Bob Marley. Okay. Very interesting.

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Question number six, favorite thing to do when you just want to relax? Nothing. Just hang out and watch the kids play, you know?

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That's a great answer. Question number seven, what do people misunderstand about you the most? I feel like I've already said one.

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I don't like to fight. I'm uncomfortable, yeah. No, I think real talk though,

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I do think a lot of people think that I'm kind of like a typical sort of like white,

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Republican, sort of, I watch Tucker Carlson and I'm none of those things. I've never even watched,

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I might start watching Tucker now that he's off Fox, but I've never watched a single episode of Tucker Carlson.

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You came on, I said, where's your bow tie? This white, conservative, right wing, you know? Alright, question number eight, if you could sit down for a cup of coffee with any historical figure dead or alive, who would it be?

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And don't you dare say Hitler. Don't start those rumors.

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Man, this is a hard question. I don't know. I have no idea. I have no idea. Alright, we'll go.

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No answer for eight. No, I have no answer. At what time of the day are you most creative and get your best work done?

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You're a night person? You're a morning person? Morning for sure. Yeah, early morning. Morning for sure.

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Alright, last one, what book outside of the Bible should everyone at least just take a look at? Maybe flip open, flip through.

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What's a book that, yeah, it's a good read no matter where you're at? I'll tell you right now, I think that everyone should look at the book by it's

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Rush Dooney book and the title is escaping me. It's called The One and the

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Many. Okay, yeah. It's a Rush Dooney book called The One and the Many about the problem of unity versus diversity.

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It's like a historical book too. It's not one of his most popular but it's very helpful.

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Honestly, anything Rush Dooney, I think the man was a complete genius. But hey, that's my answer.

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There you go. Rush Dooney for question ten. That was question ten, guys. The benefit, by the way, to reading

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Rush Dooney, the benefit to reading Rush Dooney too is that when somebody finds out you're doing it, they get really worried like, well, you know, there's some issues with Rush Dooney.

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It's good. He's a reconstructionist. He's the R word. Oh, no. Alright, throw off the socials there,

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A .D. Let's wrap this up. Where can people find you? I'll make sure I link it up. You can find me on Twitter, A .D.

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Robles Media. You can find me on YouTube. Just type in A .D. Robles. And then, you know,

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Fight Laugh Feast Network. If you're subscribed there, I've got a feed there as well. I'm also on Gab .com, which

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I'm a big fan of Gab. Gab, if you want to get to know what my personality is actually like,

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Twitter, I use it exclusively to antagonize Big Eva, you know, Gospel Coalition types. But on Gab, I've got a lot of wholesome content.

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There'll be videos of my kids and stuff like that. Alright, there you go. Guys, it's A .D. We appreciate you taking the time, brother, talking to us a little bit.

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