Child Education: Public, Christian, or Home Schooling?

Theology Throwdown on Christian School, Public School, and Homeschool

Well, welcome to another Theology Throwdown. This is where all of the podcasters at the Christian Podcast Community are invited to have discussion on different topics. Tonight's topic—well, tonight when we record it, it may be morning when you listen or who knows what time—but tonight's topic is going to be Christian school versus public school versus homeschool.

Which is best? Child-rearing. There's never any debate on this online. No one has strong opinions ever. I'm jesting, of course, but I don't know that we at the Well, you got to be pretty conservative to get on with us in the first place.

So, I have a feeling we're going to have a lot of agreement, but still maybe some differing views. And I will say that in prep for this show, two of us—I won't say which two it was—but two of us were having a lengthy discussion in a car this past weekend and getting lots of ideas.

So, rest of you who were not in that car, well, you were just left out. Sorry. I'm going to have a lot of questions. I'm just saying. So, I just gave away one of the two people. So, now you're down to just figure out who the other one is.

I'm sure that person will reveal himself. I just eliminated three people. Okay. So, now we're down to four. All right. So, 25 chance of getting it right. So, with that, I'm going to let each of us introduce ourselves so that we can mention ourselves and our podcast so you as a listener could know a voice to a name and something about our podcast so that, yeah, you may go, hey, that guy said some pretty good stuff.

I want to go check out what is the rest of what he's doing or she's doing. So, I will start at the top there. The one, the only, the New York bomber, Dominic Grimaldi.

I feel like I'm a wrestler, never mind a podcast. All right. Anyway, yes, Dominic Grimaldi. It's fitting with that. Come on. Yeah. I used to watch wrestling when I was a kid. Anyway, Dominic Grimaldi, Street Talk Theology, and in our podcast, we take theology and bring it to the streets.

So, I appreciate all my podcast brothers and sisters and the Christian podcast community has been a blessing to myself. I'm a pastor here at Desert Sky Baptist Church in Casa Grande, Arizona. So, we are thankful for the Christian podcast community.

Keith Helsley, who's currently in space from his picture.

All right. This is Keith Helsley of Quest for Truth. I do a show with my co-host, Nathan Caldwell. And we talk about, well, seeking the truth in the Bible. We seek the things about worldviews and how they don't match the Bible.

We like to make fun of them, do some role playing with that. But we try to always seek what is true, the reality of the world around us. That's always found in the Bible and extends out from there. We also have a monthly episode, I think we just released it today, where we dive into the Bible for a deep dive called Truth Exposed.

We've been going to the book of John. And well, I can't think of too much else, but we just rolled over a milestone this past week. I think we hit 100 ,000 downloads.

Oh, wow. Congratulations. All right. Next up is, and Keith has one of the most probably eclectic, because you got the audio dramas you do, you have the podcast where you discuss topics, and then you have a couple other audio dramas.

Yeah, we have a couple. We do have one called Dangerous Christian. It's kind of, I would call it a superhero story, sort of. The guy's not, I mean, just wears regular clothes, does like a superhero kind of guy.

But I kind of envision he's kind of like a MacGyver type or a Michael Landon type in Highway to Heaven. He goes around helping people. Then we have our Luke audio drama, which I have some scripts done.

I just got to gather up actors to do them. It's the trouble with having free help. You just have to wait sometimes. And our co-host Nathan has also got himself involved as being an editor on a Clean Christian magazine.

So he sometimes will post interviews and things with that. That's neat. Didn't know.

That one. So you can always have the next person, Mr. Brewster, because he probably could do characters too. He can seem to do everything else, but we're going to see, we're going to test. He also claims, not only does he claim he's a ninja and a counselor.

You're the one claiming all this, man. No one ever hears me say it. You do say that you have a fifth degree black belt in ninjutsu,.

Right? I've heard you say it. I'm just saying that if I really were a ninja, would I say it?

I'd be all stealthy, hiding in a corner. So we keep learning more about Aaron. He's got many talents. So this is for the regulars here. You'll get a kick out of this, but we're doing a Q &A this weekend.

And one of the questions was, how do you use your ninjutsu with your parenting? And so we.

Get up for the Q &A. And these were submitted digitally. So we didn't like, we just saw them.

Listed out. We got to see them, but we can't see, it's all anonymous. And so we sit down.

Of course, Andrew would have been the one to submit something like that. How do you use ninjutsu in parenting, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, Andrew, whatever. Only it wasn't.

When I saw that question, I knew he was going to blame me. And sure enough, I did not put that question in there. And so we still don't know who did. I have no idea who did. I am curious, but as soon as I saw that question, I knew if that question gets asked, Aaron is going to say that's mine.

And I was just, I was waiting for that question to be asked so I could say that wasn't my question. So Mr. Brewster, you got a couple of podcasts there.

I do, yeah. So one of them is called Truth, Love, Parent. And Truth, Love, Parent is, as you would imagine, it's all about parenting. In Ephesians 4 .15 model, where we're speaking the truth and love and building up our families into the maturity of Jesus Christ.

And we have over 500 episodes. And our most recent series was kind of a big recap, not a recap so much, but kind of hitting the big points that we've been making over the past number of years. It's called the Biblical Parenting Essentials.

And I'll actually have the privilege of speaking on that exact topic this Saturday at a church in Michigan. So I'm really looking forward to that opportunity. And then the other podcast I have is called the Celebration of God, which hasn't been around for as long, but it's all about how we use our holidays and our everydays to worship God better this year than we did the year before.

That really focuses on discipleship and worship and sanctification and maturing how we do that ourselves, but then also how we help the other people in our lives to do the same thing, to the glory of God.

And for those of you who are watching online, I just want to say, just in case there are any questions, I'm actually in Michigan right now, and this is not my house and these are not my guitars. But when I saw this, I was like, oh, that makes for the best backdrop.

It's so cool. But they're not mine. So I'm just

You are going to play them so that we know.

I'm not going to play. It doesn't even fit the topic. Do something on music and I'll come in and jam, but Rebecca, you're up next.

Hey, I'm Rebecca. I am the host of One Little Candle and it's a weekly podcast that encourages and equips believers to stand for the truth, to be a light in the darkness, no matter who we are or where we're at.

So we, in the podcast, we cover a variety of topics. Some are lighthearted, some are more controversial and challenging, many subjects really that affect our daily lives and our Christian walk. And the hope is that once a listener realizes that they can have a purpose in advancing God's kingdom, no matter where they're at,.

Be that one little candle. And Rebecca, you have a couple of children's books out that might be a good thing to mention here since we're talking about rearing children. Can you talk about your children's books, the topic, why you wrote them real quick and where we can get them?

Sure, I do. They are actually, they're eBooks. They're in PDF form and they are free for anyone who wants to read them or download them. Two of them are on God's design for marriage and I have another two on God's design for permanently fixed gender.

Both of them, you know, there's different age groups for the children. One of them actually on the gender is fiction and I just put one out about Israel, introducing children to Israel. And I have another one, it's ready, I just haven't gotten it out.

This one is about race. So it's kind of an anti-CRT book for young ones. You can find those on Lovin' Truth, it's L-O-V-I-N truthbooks .com. I just wanted to get it out there for parents because I want to let the parents get there first, as I always say, you know, get to their kids with the truth first, especially those that are in public schools, their kids.

Through these books. Yeah. Yeah. And I did read two of them that you sent to me and they're good, they're well-written, they're good age appropriate. And I do like how you say that the permanent,.

The permanent fixed gender. Permanently fixed gender, yes. Permanently fixed gender. I like.

That. I think I'm going to use that terminology. I like it. And for folks that don't know what CRT stands for, that is cultural racism training. That's really what it is. You know, they say it's critical race theory, but it's really cultural racism training.

So.

Eve, you're up next. Yes, I'm Eve Franklin and I am the producer and co-host of the podcast, Are You Just Watching? And I, where we, I guess we just discuss, you know, movies from a Christian worldview and secular entertainment, mostly movies.

Yeah. So you just did one on a movie called Dungeons and Dragons. So as a kid, I played Dungeons and Dragons. Okay. So, so Eve, this will be good for your podcast. You might get a joke, get to laugh at me about this because you mentioned the Chick tracts and that's actually how I got Chick tracts.

I was a Christian still playing Dungeons and Dragons. And I found out that there was, you know, I heard on the radio about these Chick tracts that speak against Dungeons and Dragons. So I went and just picture the scene.

I convinced my dad, my Jewish dad who hates Christianity. And I got him to write a check to Chick publications for a set of a sample set of all their tracts. Wow. And, and I read those, that was like, that was my introduction to Christianity was Chick tracts because I was, I just had that in Bible and, and it was over Dungeons.

And Dragons. So, so you got that, that off that one that, that was so totally anti Dungeons and.

Dragons. Yeah. Because people thought Dungeons and I thought your podcast was good because it pointed out there's plenty of other role-playing games that go into kind of stuff, the witchcraft and all, but it was only Dungeons and Dragons that was called out.

And really because of, of the Chick tract and it really had a bad connotation, but you, you actually almost make me want to go watch the film because it sounded really good. So I'm waiting for it to.

Be on a, on a flight that I'm on. It was very funny anyway. It was entertaining. All right.

Spencer, should we give time for your wife to get here? Do you want to introduce her while she's.

Gone? Yeah, I guess I'm not sure what time she's going to be up here. As I told you guys, we are strict 5 p .m. dinner eaters. We very rarely waver from the 5 p .m. dinner. So that's when these recordings take place.

So she is being the good mom, taking care of the kids. I'm up here playing podcaster. So she will be up here shortly, but I am Spencer. My co-host is my wife, Nikki, and we host the Religionless Christianity podcast.

We produce about six episodes a week, five short daily devotionals, just reading through the Bible, giving our thoughts verse by verse as we go through. And then every Saturday we just try to focus on the news of the week, try to keep it pretty relevant to what's going on and looking at it from a Christian perspective, trying to make sense of this very secular religionless world that we're finding ourselves.

Actually, you guys are in luck. My wonderful wife is arriving. I was going to give.

You a hard time because you always say, you always introduce her as my beautiful wife,.

And this time you didn't. Yeah, I felt maybe I should have said that. She's beautiful, gorgeous, world's best mom, and all of those things, and a wonderful co-host on our podcast. She gives a great perspective on the news because she largely doesn't engage in the news.

She's smarter than me. So a lot of times what I bring to her, she's like, how is this possibly news in the world we live in? You're like, I know, I get it, right? But yeah, if you want to introduce.

Yourself, honey. Yeah. Hi, I'm Nikki, Spencer's wife. And yes, all he said is true. I don't watch.

The news as closely. She's beautiful and gorgeous. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say,.

Spencer. Real humble, Nikki. Oh, all those things? Oh, yes. It's like I am the best mom. I was talking about the news and stuff. Okay. Ignorance. Avoiding the news is what keeps her beautiful.

So we should just clip that one part. That's how we could use that. All right. Your podcast is Religionless Christianity. Melissa, you're up next.

Thanks, Andrew. My podcast is called Thoroughly Equipped, and it's for women. And on it, what we do is we look at women's ministry in the whole. I address women speakers, some of the popular ones. What we've been doing this season is looking at the If Gathering, and I am coming to an end.

Praise be to the Lord. Coming to an end of looking at the If Gathering. Our final portion is looking at If Gathering and justice and how they bring in analytical tools such as psychology. And yes, there's even critical race theory that is brought into it through her promotion, through Jenny Allen's promotion of certain ministries, such as Be the Bridge.

So we're going to be looking at that in the next couple episodes. And then I will, Lord willing, be done, and I can move on to another woman in the ministry.

Well, you won't be done too quick because we're going to pull... Once you're done your podcast, we're going to put you into Apologetics Live to talk about it. Oh, okay. Daniel Minick, we haven't seen you for a while.

Welcome.

Yes, thank you. It's been a while since November, I believe it was I was last on. Yeah, it's not that I want to avoid Theology Throwdown. I try every month, but my wife has kind of a schedule every other Monday to do some paid cleaning for a friend's house, and often it ends up to where I just can't do it, even though I don't know when or if I'll do it.

But this time, I was able to eke it out. So yes, my name is Daniel Minick. I'm the host of the Truthspresso podcast, and my wife is a co-host most of the time. We talk about practical Christian topics, family, politics, theology, and we often start a series.

Our recent series that we started is the Historical American Revivals. And I know one problem we often face when we start a series is that we get interrupted by some things that happen, such as our local state politics, that we ended up in a very difficult battle with.

But we're really hoping to get back to continuing the series on American Revivals and talk about John Wesley. So I recommend that you listen to Truth Spresso and keep up with our Revival series. All right.

And so I am the host not only of.

This podcast, where I'm just kind of like kind of direct conversation, but I'm also, my name is Andrew Rappaport. I am the executive director of the Christian Podcast Community, and I am also the host of Andrew Rappaport's Rap Report and Apologetics Live, which is a live show every Thursday night, where anyone can go to apologeticslive .com, come in, ask any questions, and every once in a while we get some black Hebrew Israelites trying to dominate our show, which has been the last couple of weeks.

And so, but it's always good, fun discussion. We never know what we're going to be, what we're going to have. The one thing with Apologetics Live, for those who watch that or listen to that, is the fact that other people know they're planning a debate on our show.

They come in ready for a debate, and I have no idea a debate's coming. So it becomes entertaining where I'm at a loss because I don't, I can't prepare for whatever topic they're going to debate me on.

So it makes it quite entertaining. All right, so let's get into the topic tonight. Let's start with discussing, the order I'd like us to discuss is start with public school, then Christian school, and then homeschool.

And so we'll go in that order. I think as I talked to most of you before we went live, I don't think there's anyone here that is going to be a big public school supporter. I'm just saying that for the audience to say there are people out there that truly believe their children should be in public school.

And so though I do not take that position, I will give the arguments for that position so that those of us here can have the discussion. So let's start with homeschool, and I'm going to just start, and then you guys could just raise your hands, and we'll see who wants to start us off.

But when we do have those who are proponents of public school, the biggest argument that they make for it is that we should send our children to public school so that they could be a witness to the world, so they could be a testimony to those that are in the public school, that they would be the light, you know, as Rebecca might say, one little candle in a public school setting, though I don't think she's going to agree with that argument.

She's shaking her head no. That's usually the argument we hear. Now, I want to start with that one. A secondary argument that I want to pick up is that public school is, well, kind of free. I mean, the rest of the community is paying for it, not necessarily the parents, but the parents pay through their property tax and things.

So the issue I think for many is it's cheap, it's easy, and it's common. And so those are the two areas in the public school that I'd like us to start discussing. So I don't know who would like to tackle the first one.

Should we be sending our children to public school so that they could be a witness, a testimony to evangelize? Who would like to start us off? Okay, I just assumed like people were going to jump on that one, but there's Aaron.

I was going to assume Aaron would go first,.

But so we'll go with Aaron and then Rebecca. Okay, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to argue for a position that I don't agree with. I don't think you should send your kids to public school. I'll just say that right up front.

But I do want to say, I want to give voice to a lot of people who have spoken to me as I've done debates about this and talked about this, and some legitimate observations, okay? So number one, I do want to acknowledge the fact that there are many Christ-honoring, God-fearing, Bible-believing Christian school teachers out there, all right?

It's hard to quantify exactly how many there are out there, but I've known some, and I've known a lot of people whose kids had those teachers, right? So those people have a slightly different situation than the majority of people who don't have that.

And that's one thing that gets said, and so I want to say that that's definitely a reality. Obviously, the finances thing can seem really overwhelming for people. I don't know that it's wise to make unwise choice simply because of money, but that is something I hear from time to time.

And then the other argument that I hear is that, by God's common grace, not every public school, not every classroom, not every kid in that classroom is as bad as the stuff that you see when you go on YouTube, right?

Or you're reading The Daily Wire or some other conservative, and you're finding that these kids aren't beating their teachers unconscious because the teacher confiscated their Switch that they were using to play games on during class.

You know, we hear about all that kind of stuff, and we know it's out there, but not every classroom is like that. And I'll say that some, my pastor, we actually just hired a new pastor, and his children have always attended public school, but their experience, if you listen to them telling you about it, you might actually have to clarify, your kids go to public school or Christian school?

Just because of their unique experience. So again, I don't know that, I'm going to have a very hard time siding with that particular argument, but I can understand how, if I have a second grader in a class with a woman who goes to our church, and we know her, we know how she runs her class, we know that she's a testimony for God in the classroom, and for all intents and purposes, to a certain degree, it's not too many steps away from a Christian school, second grade class.

I can see why those parents would push back on the criticism that, you know, no doubt, all of us, including me, are going to, you know, throw at this whole public school thing.

All right. Rebecca, I saw your hand up.

Yeah, I, for me personally, as far as the argument that, send your children to public school so they can be witnesses, in my opinion, they're not ready, they're not equipped yet to be, to be put in that position, I guess, just because of the constant, because they are young and their minds are still being formed, and the constant, we know now, indoctrination that is happening within the public schools, again, these children, when it's coming, especially up against teachers who are pushing it, it makes it very, very difficult for them.

Like, one example that was coming through my head was a, this was a high school young man I was talking with, and they were talking about Google, and the boy said to his teacher, well, yeah, we know Google's not always right, because Google says that there's more than two genders.

And the teacher corrected him and said, there are more than two genders. And I said to the young man, I said, so what was your response? He said, well, what am I supposed to say? He's the teacher. And so I just feel, especially even for younger children, it's just coming at them through the curriculum, through what the teachers are saying.

And like Aaron said, yes, not every school, not every classroom is going to be like this. But chances are, most of them aren't, it's getting worse. So I just feel that we need to, and I don't mean shelter them, put them in a closet.

But I mean, we need to protect them from everything that we possibly can, while we are teaching them and training them biblically, to protect their innocence, innocence, I guess.

Okay, Spencer, did you have something you wanted to say first?

Yeah, I was just gonna say, and it's not so much the teachers, it's the other students that have more of an impact on kids. The peer pressure comes from students. And yeah, that's, I mean, my main reason, I guess, too.

That's why I didn't, we didn't want to send our boys when they were beginning junior high. You just hear the things with the kids. It's not the issues with the teachers, because they're going into junior high.

It's that age and the peer pressure, and just a lot of worldliness. And I think that is more likely going to affect them, and to be a more common issue than the teachers teaching them something false.

Like your kids are more likely to fall away from the faith on account of who their friends are.

Versus what the teacher is teaching them. Yeah. And I'll just say, because I do think we also fall victim to the social media syndrome, where you see all the TikTok and Twitter videos, and you might assume that that's sort of everywhere, but it is very school dependent.

And if you know your local school district and stuff like that, then you may be able to determine the level of sort of in-your-face Satanism they might be exposed to from the teacher level. But I mean, it's also, I think it's really dependent on your kid, as far as that idea of them being a minister or a light in this darkness.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think, and it was a time gone by, but I think Charles Spurgeon was preaching at the age of 16. So if your son is Charles Spurgeon, sure, maybe encourage them to go and be that light in the darkness.

And then there's also the cases too, where we're kind of in a society with an epidemic of single parent households. And I think a lot of times when you get in these discussions of homeschooling, it's the best option, yada, yada.

You can kind of make people feel, you know, maybe ashamed or something like that. Well, I can't homeschool my kid. So in those situations, I don't think it's a negative. You know, it is cheap, easy, and common.

And if you're a single parent, that sort of thing, I don't think you should be overly ashamed that that's the situation you're in, and that's the best option for you.

Yeah. And before we go to Daniel, I was going to introduce someone who came in, but he's not at his chair. So, okay, Dan. Oh, he's coming back. So wait for him to get his headphones on. All right. So Garrett just came in.

So if we, Garrett, if you might be able to introduce yourself and your podcast, because I think you're going to have a lot to say on this particular topic, and you may even have a movie for us to check out.

Just a thought, just a thought, just maybe some resources for people, but introduce yourself.

We do have a movie. So we have quite a few resources for homeschooling families, and I'm sorry to jump in late. We're actually preparing for a trip out of state, and I couldn't make it early. But my name is Garrett Hampton.

I am the director of Schoolhouse Rocked the Homeschool Revolution, a feature-length documentary on homeschooling. And also, I produce the Schoolhouse Rocked podcast, which is hosted by my wife. And we have spent the last seven, almost seven years now in full-time ministry specifically to homeschool families.

So we're deep in the education world.

Yeah. And so there is a little bit of a buzz on your line, just so you know. I don't know. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, just so you know, there may be some interference, but just...

Very sorry about that. Is it better now? Yep, it is.

Good deal. Sorry about that. You know exactly what it was, too. Wow, that was quick.

Yeah, sorry. I had to jump on fast tonight.

All right. Daniel, you had... So the question, Garrett, that Daniel's going to answer, we're starting off with public school, then we're going to talk Christian school, and then homeschool. And so the argument that we sometimes hear made for public school is that we want to send our kids to public school to be a witness, to be a testimony to the unbelievers.

And that's what we're answering. And Daniel, you're up for answering that next.

Yeah, I definitely do not agree with that premise. I know it can happen in some cases where I did see a video today, a short clip of a nine-year-old girl at a school board meeting, standing up against school board tyranny.

But my thought is that that's really should not, you know, be an expectation that we should have young children having to enter this battle because, as was mentioned, children are not ready yet. We should be equipping them, teaching them then to go out and go into battle.

And we know that even in college, some colleges, their freshman-level curriculum, especially the science, they are preparing for Christians even to go there. They're preparing the curriculum and the questions to try to challenge their faith then.

So we know that public schools have an agenda to target Christian students and to, you know, brainwash them there. So we shouldn't send our children expecting them to go to battle because of the convenience of public school.

I think it's kind of really an excuse for the reason that, you know, I don't know how to deal with anything other than public school. And I have a few verses for this about equipping children. So the beginning of Proverbs chapter 1, it says in verse 2, "...to know wisdom and instruction, to perceive the words of understanding, to receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity, to give subtlety to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.".

So we want to make sure that our young children have knowledge and discretion before they're forced to put what little knowledge or discretion they might have to the test of going to war in schools. All right.

Melissa, I see your hand up next,.

So if you want to respond. Yeah, so I too disagree with the argument. I think also what's missing when you think about kids going to school is to combat and be a salt and light. It's not just being able to testify clearly the gospel, but also to have discernment.

So and discernment is something that needs to be trained, and you need to be equipped, and you need to understand what you believe and why you believe it. Not that God can't bless a 9-year-old or a 16-year-old with, you know, discernment, but just that's kind of where you start when you start to hear false teaching or are addressed with bad behavior.

You have to first know what's good and true, and to put a 5-year-old in a place where they're going to be for most of the day in a godless system, then you're going to have problems, and you're going to have conflict, and you're not setting them up with the right foundation.

I'd also like to say about Mr. Brewster's comment about the teachers and good Christian teachers in the school system, and God bless them. I mean that they're going into the battlefield. Absolutely. The problem is the school system and the curriculums that are being taught there start with the foundation that there is no God, and that is where you're going to be having your battle.

So first we have to train up our children that they know that there is a God, but we need to show them and reveal that to them, and we use education, if you're wise, use education to show them God, to show them the Creator.

And unfortunately, teachers, as Christian as they are, are restricted.

And cannot do that. Okay. Keith Elsley, you're up next. Keith, you're muted. How about now?

Yeah, that's better. All right. Well, on the topic of the public school, I would say that a big reason why parents send their kids there just because it's there, it's convenient, it's just always been done that way.

That's just the mentality of people who go to public schools. On the topic of having Christian teachers, I mean, I have a niece who is a teacher. I know she's a Christian. I know other teachers there who are.

I've had conversations with some of them and said, well, what are you going to do when they start making you teach all this diversity and inclusion and stuff? And their response is, well, they're not going to come to my little rural area of the state and make me do that.

Don't count on that. But what are you going to do if they do? Well, their hands are tied. They have to teach the curriculum that's given to them. So, I mean, you're taking your chances anymore to go to public school.

I mean, my grandkids are all in it, but I would rather they not. We've even talked about homeschooling some of them, but some of them aren't quite ready to depart their comfortable ways, I suppose you might say.

Yeah, yeah. So, and I think that what ends up happening is the argument that our children will influence the unbelievers when they're all by themselves in a public school setting, compared to the chance that the unbelievers will influence the children.

Think through that. Think of scripture, which, you know, it's going to be more likely you're going to have the world influencing the children. I remember, and this is at college level at least, but my daughter had a choice between two universities.

And if I mentioned a university that is your favorite, and I mentioned in a negative way, I'm sorry. But she got down to Cedarville University and Liberty University. And I fully let her make the choice in what she wanted.

And she chose Cedarville. And her reasoning was quite interesting. Her reasoning was because Cedarville required you to have a Christian testimony to get in. They were focused on discipleship, discipling college students for the rest of their life.

Where Liberty was accepting unbelievers to come in with the hopes of evangelizing them with all of the Christian students. And my daughter said, you know, there's probably a greater chance of unbelievers influencing the believers than the believers influencing unbelievers.

And for that reason, she said, I would rather go somewhere where I'm going to be discipled. And so she chose Cedarville. Now, my children have done the full gamut. We started off in public school system.

We then went to homeschooling. And then for high school, they went to a Christian school. So, we've done all three. I can say, yes, it was easier to just walk down the street and put them in public school.

But we had battles with the school, with different things, little things in those early years. Because, you know, my son had certain food allergies, and that they just weren't ready to handle things like that back then.

People that were had gluten, were gluten free. And so, but the thing was, was that I know that my son was very evangelistic in school, because he'd come home and asked me, he's always maintained that he was evangelizing other students.